What is it? Set 439

[Rob H.]

I need help with three of the items this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob

[Stuart]

In article <jntep...@news6.newsguy.com>,

Rob H. <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:
> I need help with three of the items this week:

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2246 Used to demonstrate the electroysis of water;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcfp8VtcrSA

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[Alexander Thesoso]

2545 Hmmm... Lemme imagine... Somebody has some valuables locked up
somewhere. A robber shows up and threatens him. He produces the key.
He also produces a burning match. Carefully holding the key upright, he
subtly points the end of the key at the robber and applies the match to
the touch-hole. It goes boom. Makes sense.

[Alexander Thesoso]

On 5/3/2012 6:04 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> 2545 Hmmm... Lemme imagine... Somebody has some valuables locked up
> somewhere. A robber shows up and threatens him. He produces the key. He
> also produces a burning match. Carefully holding the key upright, he
> subtly points the end of the key at the robber and applies the match to
> the touch-hole. It goes boom. Makes sense.

No... No... Somebody has some treasure locked up. A thief may have dug
into the treasure room and be in the process of stealing it. Insert key
into lock. Before turning it, apply match to touch-hole to discomfort
the thief. Or... Unlock room, prime touch-hole, apply match.

[Stormin Mormon]

2545, a "bit key" that might not have a lock to go with it.
2546, this is an electrolysis device. My science teacher had one, when I was
in school, back in the good old days. The two tubes at the bottom, the
teacher put in rubber stopper, with a wire that goes into the tube. Then,
the glassware is filled with water, and some electrolyte. I can't remember
off hand, but think that would be a pinch of table salt. Might have been
sodium sulphate, instead. By applying direct current, the water would break
in to hydrogen and oxygen. The gasses could be drawn off, by opening the
valves at the top of the thin tubes.
2547, looks a bit like a US quarter that's been in a stamping press.
2548, totally no clue.
2549, native American arrow head.
2550, seriously no clue.

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[Leon]

3547 Concho made from a quarter.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> fired this volley in news:iZudnUJ9
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> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2546 is a laboratory electrolysis demonstrator / oxygen-hydrogen
generator.

The bottoms of the open tubes are plugged with stoppers holding
electrodes that extend up into the tubes.

The petcocks are open, and an electrolyte (often dilute sulfuric acid) is
filled into the gas columns through the reservoir/funnel.

When a column fills completely, the petcock is closed. When both are
filled an DC supply is hooked up to the electrodes. The reservoir is
kept full by the operator.

As gas accumulates in the columns, it's extracted via rubber tubes stuck
over the petcock spouts. When the petcock is opened, gas escapes, and is
replaced by fresh electrolyte from the reservoir.

Lloyd

[Dave__67]

2547- if it weren't for the lines across it I would have guessed it's
a quarter shrunk by putting it into a high-current coil.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

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> 2547

The vase-shaped bubbles make me think that it's a form of "explosive
art", where the coin was laid face-down on hardened rails, and a thin
sheet of high explosive was laid over it and detonated.

Of course, I'm in that general trade, and when you have a hammer,
everything looks like a nail!

I guess this could also be what the Mint does to defective coins to
render them unusable.

LLoyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

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> 2545

I think that's _actually_ a "church key"; maybe for those big iron doors on
some cathedrals, or maybe for the cash box within.

LLoyd

[allen476]

On May 3, 4:14 am, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:

2545 - Jailers Key gun. A very similar one was on "Pawn Stars" not to
long ago.

[Sonny]

2545 - Jailers key gun - https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIE_enUS397US398&q=key+gun

2547 - corrugated quarter - used for whatisit quizzes

2549 - Can't tell what it's made of: glass?

2550 - Guessing: Vintage "speculum" type tool. Seems to be made of
brass for 1) use in a wet environment or 2) prevent a spark ....

[Northe]

I believe that 2549 is a "torpedo"/round bottom/"ballast" mineral
water bottle. They were designed to stay on their sides so that the
cork stopper/seal wouldn't dry out and allow the bottle to leak. I
found a reference at <<http://www.sha.org/bottle/soda.htm>>, about 2/3
of the way down or so.

I was just going to say that 2545 was an intricate bit key for a
warded lock -- I'd never heard of gun keys before, but it sure could
be one with the firing mechanism missing.


Northe

[G.W. Ross]

2550 Primitive cervical dilator.

--
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Preserve Bacteria.. Its the only
culture some people have.

[John Masters]

2548 is a Terrex spade.

See http://www.fredshed.co.uk/alternativediggingtools.htm about halfway down.


--
John Masters

Of those who say nothing, few are silent.
- Thomas Neill

[Leon Fisk]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 04:14:54 -0400
"Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:

>I need help with three of the items this week:

Item #2548 is an awful lot like this patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=2751192

"...a novel spade adapted to reduce to a substantial extent the
expenditure in human labor involved in digging..."

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[Rob H.]

"Stuart" <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <jntep...@news6.newsguy.com>,
> Rob H. <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:
>> I need help with three of the items this week:
>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> 2246 Used to demonstrate the electroysis of water;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcfp8VtcrSA
>
> --
> Stuart Winsor

Thanks, I'll pass this on to the guy who sent it to me.

[Rob H.]

> I guess this could also be what the Mint does to defective coins to
> render them unusable.
>
> LLoyd

Good guess, that's the right answer.

[Rob H.]

"Sonny" <cedar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> 2545 - Jailers key gun -
> https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIE_enUS397US398&q=key+gun
>
> 2547 - corrugated quarter - used for whatisit quizzes
>
> 2549 - Can't tell what it's made of: glass?
>

It is indeed made of glass.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> fired this volley in
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> Thanks, I'll pass this on to the guy who sent it to me.

HEY! What happened to my three-page diatribe on it, which preceded this
one?

I even explained how to use it! (which I have done)

<G>

Lloyd

[Rob H.]

"Northe" <nkos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I believe that 2549 is a "torpedo"/round bottom/"ballast" mineral
> water bottle. They were designed to stay on their sides so that the
> cork stopper/seal wouldn't dry out and allow the bottle to leak. I
> found a reference at <<http://www.sha.org/bottle/soda.htm>>, about 2/3
> of the way down or so.

Nope, that's not it.

> I was just going to say that 2545 was an intricate bit key for a
> warded lock -- I'd never heard of gun keys before, but it sure could
> be one with the firing mechanism missing.

I don't think that it's missing, it probably never had one to begin with,
didn't see any way for a mechanism to be attached or for it to ignite the
powder. I would bet they fired it by touching a cigar to the small hole.

[Rob H.]

"John Masters" <johnm...@me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2012-05-03 08:14:54 +0000, Rob H. said:
>
>> I need help with three of the items this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 2548 is a Terrex spade.
>
> See http://www.fredshed.co.uk/alternativediggingtools.htm about halfway
> down.

Great job, I'll forward this to the owner. Thanks

[Rob H.]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> fired this volley in
> news:jnuqp...@news6.newsguy.com:
>
>> Thanks, I'll pass this on to the guy who sent it to me.
>
> HEY! What happened to my three-page diatribe on it, which preceded this
> one?

Actually that was a pretty good description of it, though Stuart posted his
answer three hours earlier and my usual m.o. is to reply only to the first
one to get it correct. I'll include your description with my reply to the
owner. Thanks

[Rob H.]

"Leon Fisk" <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 May 2012 04:14:54 -0400
> "Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:
>
>>I need help with three of the items this week:
>
> Item #2548 is an awful lot like this patent:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?vid=2751192
>

Thanks, I just sent the owner of it an email with the answer, I guess I'll
send him another one with the patent for it.

[Stormin Mormon]

As to the electrolysis rig, I did a bit of diatribbling also.

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[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> fired this volley in
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> As to the electrolysis rig, I did a bit of diatribbling also.

Hmmm... are we all posting on different groups?

I was the first to post on rcm about it, according to the flow of the
thread. Even the times were right. How can two other people post hours
before I do, and still show my post as the first one? (no, not according
to time zones, but by Gtime.)

This puts some dissapointment factor in bothering to respond, if you
don't at least get Rob's "reward" when you're right and first.


Lloyd

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2012-05-03, Rob H. <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:
> I need help with three of the items this week:
>

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

2545) Hmm ... looks like a combination of an ornate key and
a match lit firearm, based on the presence of what looks like a
touch-hole partially intersecting the last decorative ring.

I like the S-shaped ward at the end of the key, too.

2546) Lab apparatus for demonstrating the breaking up of water
into oxygen and hydrogen by the application of an electric
current.

You put two electrodes in the bottom end of the two Burette
tubes (inverted from normal arrangement), add water (with a
little salt or acid to make it more conductive), open the
stopcocks at the tops of the Burettes and pour in the water
until the level is just beyond the stockcocks and close the
stopcocks. Then apply DC to the two electrodes, and notice the
volume on the Burettes (if they are graduated -- it is difficult
to tell with this photo.

When it has run for a time you can connect the tops of the
stopcocks to rubber tubes to guide the generated gas to other
containers. One Burette will produce oxygen, and the ohter
hydrogen. Mix them into a single container and you will have a
nice explosive mixture. :-)

2547) A coin which has been run between to loosely-meshed (but heavy
duty) gears. Looks as though it once was a US quarter dollar.

2548) To answer the stated question -- yes it has a specific use.

However, I don't know what that use is. Perhaps it is for
removing debris from a sewer.

2549) Hmm ... is it rigid or resilient? From the length, and the
location found I would suspect that it might be an early form of
condom. They have been made from eel-skin and from sheep
intestines in past times. I have read of the eelskin ones being
found still floating in the city sewers

But it looks rather tight at the small (left) open end for that
use.

It could be a bulb for a form of medicine dropper, again
assuming that it is not rigid.

2550) Not a clear enough photo to be very clear in my guesses. :-)

Could it be that when the handles of the plier end are opened
the wings of the other end close? Then it could be inserted
into a just-drilled hole, and used to debur the inside end of
the hole. The material looks to be bronze (unless that is an
artifact of the illumination and the white-balance settings of
the camera). The central screw seems to be steel at least.

Now to post this and then see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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[Sonny]

On May 3, 4:20 pm, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:
> Actually that was a pretty good description of it, though Stuart posted his
> answer three hours earlier and my usual m.o. is to reply only to the first
> one to get it correct.

Stuart cut in line!

[Rob H.]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA048C8F5082A9ll...@216.168.3.70...

At what time did you send your reply? When I look at rcm your reply is the
6th one from the top.

[Rob H.]

> 2550) Not a clear enough photo to be very clear in my guesses. :-)
>
> Could it be that when the handles of the plier end are opened
> the wings of the other end close? Then it could be inserted
> into a just-drilled hole, and used to debur the inside end of
> the hole. The material looks to be bronze (unless that is an
> artifact of the illumination and the white-balance settings of
> the camera). The central screw seems to be steel at least.

I think the wings are stationary, I forgot to include this description by
the owner of the tool:

"It is brass, the top is spring loaded, (I think to release it) when pulled
it expands the bottom part."


Thanks to everyone who answered the electrolysis device and the shovel, I'm
intrigued by the last item in this set and hope to get it identified soon.
The rest of the answers for this set can be seen here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/05/set-439.html#answers


Rob

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Rob H." <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> fired this volley in
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> At what time did you send your reply? When I look at rcm your reply
> is the 6th one from the top.

Boy, I wish I could confirm that. According to my posting, it was the
very first post for that item. My news server won't let me retrieve more
than about two or three hours' worth of already-read posts. So I guess
my claim is moot.

I'll check next time I throw in a guess (no... I'm NOT quitting! <G>),
and make sure I have the statistics.

I'm guessing this is a news server update issue. Probably my server -
and many others - only update periodically and maybe infrequently, and
miss stuff between the time some posts are made, and the time they send
forward the messages.

Your contribution here is fun. I wouldn't just take my marbles and go
home because of something this trivial. I was just "beefin'".


LLoyd

[Alexander Thesoso]

2250 There are some wondrously clever special-purpose plumbing tools.
This may be something to hold a pipe in a fitting or nipple while it is
being soldered, for the case where the pipe wants to pull out and the
outside isn't available. You shove it through the nipple, into the
pipe, with the wings bearing against the open side of the nipple. It
grabs the inside of the pipe and holds things together while soldering.

[Alexander Thesoso]

On 5/4/2012 5:56 PM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
2550

[Steve W.]

It almost looks like a tool used to insert a boiler tube into the plate.
It slides into the tube, you turn the end to tighten down the internal
jaws and then use a section of pipe over the other end to steer the tube
into place.

--
Steve W.

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2012-05-04, Rob H. <rhv...@gmailnospam.com> wrote:
>
> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:XnsA048C8F5082A9ll...@216.168.3.70...
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> fired this volley in
>> news:3lEor.17921$SI5....@news.usenetserver.com:
>>
>>> As to the electrolysis rig, I did a bit of diatribbling also.
>>
>> Hmmm... are we all posting on different groups?
>>
>> I was the first to post on rcm about it, according to the flow of the
>> thread. Even the times were right. How can two other people post hours
>> before I do, and still show my post as the first one? (no, not according
>> to time zones, but by Gtime.)

Part of the problem is that the newsgroup is not a single site.
It is a large number of news servers around the world, and particular
postings from nearer servers will show up before those from more distant
servers -- varying in particular in the matter of which server passes
the articles to which. I used to run my own news server, and got quite
accustomed to dealing with such variations. The news articles are
displayed based on the article number assigned by *your* server,
sequentially as the articles arrive and are processed. They then get
sent on to other servers, which either accept them, or reject them
because they already have a copy from another server. (They are
identified as unique based on the contents of the "Message-ID: " header,
which is usually allocated by the news server to which you posted it.

Anyway -- an article posted to your news server will show up
"first" on it, even though others will show up first on servers closer
to the point of origin.

You can see the path which the article took in the header
"Path: " with the most recent server to handle it at the left-hand end
of the line (which may well fold several times). Here is an example
from the 1st of January of this year:

======================================================================
Path:
news4.newsguy.com!extra.newsguy.com!npeersf02.iad.highwinds-media.com!npeer02.iad.high
winds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!spln!extra.newsguy.com!
newsp.newsguy.com!news6
======================================================================

Server names are separated by '!' characters, and often the last
entry will be something like "not-for-mail" because similar paths
(called "bang paths" for the '!' character used as a delimiter) were
once used for mail, but would end with a user name and not a system
name.

So -- it is not that anyone is trying to give you a hard time.
Rob is basing it on the order in which articles arrive at the news
server which he uses. (BTW -- I understand that Google's news server
(which they like to call "google groups" has a very long delay between
posting and displaying an article on their server -- so it is possible
that someone posting there will see one or more followups (replies) to
what they posted before they see what they posted. (And sometimes they
post several times because they don't see what they posted in a
reasonable period. But -- what they posted does go out quickly to the
rest of the world. :-)

I typically wind up not getting to reading usenet newsgroups until the
evening, so I don't expect to be the first very often. It has to be
something really uncommon. :-)

Good Luck,

[Rob H.]

>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/05/set-439.html#answers
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> It almost looks like a tool used to insert a boiler tube into the plate.
> It slides into the tube, you turn the end to tighten down the internal
> jaws and then use a section of pipe over the other end to steer the tube
> into place.

Your boiler tube idea and Alexander's pipe tool theory both sound like good
uses for it though I haven't been able to find anything similar on the web.
The word PAT'D is visible in one of the photos, I just sent the owner an
email asking if there is any more text on it and will post his reply if it
is worth reporting.