What is it? Set 493

[Rob H.]

I need some help with four of them this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob

[Walter Kraft]

#2874 is a pneumatic chisel, we used them in a bodyshop years ago.
In the "spring" at the front of the tool one coud insert
different chissels for different situations.

#2872 is clearly a "Schwarz'sche Schrankmesslehre" but i have
no idea how to use it ggg ...smile...



greetings
Walter

[j Burns]

#2872 Schwarz'sche Cabinet measuring gauge, precision gauge 0-1 mm

[Alexander Thesoso]

2869 Guess... Crystal holder for a crystal radio.

[Stormin Mormon]

Posting from my desk top PC, as always.

Only one I got was the air chisel. Great group of mystery items, they have evaded us all, so far.

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[Ted Schuerzinger]

On 16 May 2013 01:02:05 -0700, Rob H. wrote:

> I need some help with four of them this week:

2869 is a clamp. Used by a jeweler?
2870 is a USD 0.01 piece.
2872 Cabinet measuring something or other; I thought the "lehre" part at
the end came from the German word for "teaching".

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[joelj...@aol.com]

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2872 - A rough translation of the German: Schwar'sche --- black or
ebony, Schrankmesslehre --- cabinet measure gauge, Präzis --- precise
or accurate.

[Walter Kraft]

Am 16.05.2013 14:42, schrieb joelj...@aol.com:
>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> 2872 - A rough translation of the German: Schwar'sche --- black or

> ebony, Schrankmesslehre --- cabinet measure gauge, Pr�zis --- precise
> or accurate.
>

not exactly..... Schwarz'sche breaks up into the Name "Schwarz" and the
ending 'sche . This is older german language, it means that something is
build or constructed after a development or a patent invented by a man
with the last Name "Schwarz".

yours
Walter

[enl_p...@yahoo.com]

2869: for holding something, but no clue what...
70: no clue.
71: Hook for hanging heavy things in a log cabin?
72: might be a test indicator. (machinists tool for measuring small change of the order of 0.01 to maybe 0.2mmm)
73: Fence puller? (no clue, so go with the default....)
74: air hammer. Smaller style used for light chiselling, bodywork, peening, and small rivets

[Wild_Bill]

2869: I think I've seen these before, described as adjustable gap spark
tester.. the round ring part being made of an insulating material bakelite,
phenolic etc.

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[willshak]

On 5/16/2013 6:02 AM, j Burns wrote:
> On 5/16/13 5:42 AM, Walter Kraft wrote:
>> Am 16.05.2013 10:02, schrieb Rob H.:
>>> I need some help with four of them this week:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>> #2874 is a pneumatic chisel, we used them in a bodyshop years ago.
>> In the "spring" at the front of the tool one coud insert
>> different chissels for different situations.
>>
>> #2872 is clearly a "Schwarz'sche Schrankmesslehre" but i have
>> no idea how to use it ggg ...smile...

Blackish Cabinet Guage

>>
>>
>>
>> greetings
>> Walter
>>
>>
> #2872 Schwarz'sche Cabinet measuring gauge, precision gauge 0-1 mm

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[Rob H.]

In article <5194a9ff$0$6576$9b4e...@newsspool3.arcor-online.net>, Walter Kraft
says...

>
>Am 16.05.2013 10:02, schrieb Rob H.:
>> I need some help with four of them this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
> #2874 is a pneumatic chisel, we used them in a bodyshop years ago.
> In the "spring" at the front of the tool one coud insert
> different chissels for different situations.

Correct, it says "air chisel/hammer" on it.

[Rob H.]

>>>
>> #2874 is a pneumatic chisel, we used them in a bodyshop years ago.
>> In the "spring" at the front of the tool one coud insert
>> different chissels for different situations.
>>
>> #2872 is clearly a "Schwarz'sche Schrankmesslehre" but i have
>> no idea how to use it ggg ...smile...
>>
>>
>>
>> greetings
>> Walter
>>
>>
>#2872 Schwarz'sche Cabinet measuring gauge, precision gauge 0-1 mm

Sounds like a good use for it, I just sent the owner an email asking how it
works,
I'm not sure exactly what it's supposed to measure.

[Rob H.]

>2869: I think I've seen these before, described as adjustable gap spark
>tester.. the round ring part being made of an insulating material bakelite,
>phenolic etc.

Spark tester is correct, it's for use on small engines.

[Paul K. Dickman]

"Rob H." <Rob_m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>I need some help with four of them this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>

#2872
I suspect that this is for setting the depth of cut on a woodworking plane
or jointer.

There are better pictures of some out on the net.
http://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/werkzeuge/messen/praezisions-messlehre-0-1mm-schwarz-sche-schrankmesslehre/v/an705890348/?ABTestedFeatureKey=59
From what I see, the little tab on the upper left can move relative it the
to the bar that runs down the remainder of the left side. This movement is
magnified by gears or linkages to the pointer.
I have several old test indicators that work on the same principle.

If you lay the stationary bar on the infeed side of a planer and the tab on
the outfeed, as you lower the infeed table the depth of cut would read off
in mm.

Paul K. Dickman

[Rob H.]

>#2872
>I suspect that this is for setting the depth of cut on a woodworking plane
>or jointer.
>
>There are better pictures of some out on the net.
>http://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/werkzeuge/messen/praezisions-
messlehre-0-1mm-schwarz-sche-schrankmesslehre/v/an705890348/?
ABTestedFeatureKey=59
>From what I see, the little tab on the upper left can move relative it the
>to the bar that runs down the remainder of the left side. This movement is
>magnified by gears or linkages to the pointer.

Yes, the owner of it replied and said the same about the tab on the upper left.

>I have several old test indicators that work on the same principle.
>
>If you lay the stationary bar on the infeed side of a planer and the tab on
>the outfeed, as you lower the infeed table the depth of cut would read off
>in mm.
>
>Paul K. Dickman

Setting the depth of woodworking tools seems to be a sensible use for it, I'll
forward this on to the owner.

Thanks

[axolotl]

On 5/16/2013 10:56 AM, Wild_Bill wrote:
> 2869: I think I've seen these before, described as adjustable gap spark
> tester.. the round ring part being made of an insulating material
> bakelite, phenolic etc.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> WB

....And I would guess it might be used for a 2 cylinder outboard.

Kevin Gallimore

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I used mine Tuesday to cut the top out of a 55 gal drum . The wife didn't
like me burning the trash in the campfire pit . <<We've moved out into the
woods in N. central Arkansas , there's no weekly trash service out here
...>>
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[DoN. Nichols]

On 2013-05-16, Rob H <Rob_m...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> I need some help with four of them this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

2869) Hmm ... looks like some kind of arc with the third electrode
at an angle used to inject a high voltage spike to start the
arc.

From the size of the bulldog clip, it is fairly high current,
but not excessively high.

I presume that the ring is something like Bakelite (a fiber
filled plastic).

2870) This could be anything -- including something made just to
prove that you can do it as a test of the material or the
machine tool.


2871) Looks like something which could slide in one direction along
a wood beam, and lock when slid in the other direction.

2872) A small force gauge, and given the size, it could be a stylus
pressure gauge (for phonograph needles). Depending on the
vintage, the scale could be in ounces, or grams -- more likely
the latter.

2873) Hmm ... perhaps a shock mount for attaching a pocket watch to
the end of a cloth ribbon style of fob.

2874) This one, at least, is quite clear -- one of two very similar objects:

a) An air chisel (minus the chisel blade which fits in
the spring retainer).

b) An air riveting tool.

The difference between the two is length of stroke and number of
beats per minute, I believe.

Now to see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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[Rob H.]

>not exactly..... Schwarz'sche breaks up into the Name "Schwarz" and the
>ending 'sche . This is older german language, it means that something is
>build or constructed after a development or a patent invented by a man
>with the last Name "Schwarz".
>
>yours
>Walter

Thanks for the translation, and thanks to everyone else who contributed to
solving
this device.

Concerning the brass tag, someone had bought a bag of them at the flea market,
here is the first photo that was sent to me:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album16/pic2870c.jpg


The answers for this set have been posted though three of them have yet to be
identified.

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/05/set-493.html#answers

Have a great weekend!


Rob

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2013-05-17, Rob H <Rob_m...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>not exactly..... Schwarz'sche breaks up into the Name "Schwarz" and the

[ ... ]

> Thanks for the translation, and thanks to everyone else who contributed to
> solving
> this device.

The translation is a great help.

> Concerning the brass tag, someone had bought a bag of them at the flea market,
> here is the first photo that was sent to me:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album16/pic2870c.jpg

Given the quantity, I think that we can strike my "Just to prove
that I can do it" purpose.

Is the thickness equal all the way along its length?

Just how thick *is* it.

The slot suggests that it could be adjusted to control how much
of an opening.

If it were much smaller, and if I *knew* that it was very thin,
I would suggest a reed for a very low pitched note. But the adjustment
slot is just not right for that. An accordion reed is typically held in
place (at the thicker end) with one or two rivets, depending on the
size.

An English concertina reed would have no holes at all, but would
be held down with a bar over the fixed end, with a screw on either side
of the reed body.

Some of the early ones *looked* to be brass (but in reality,
were a special bronze alloy.

If it had silver contact points near the end, it could be a
contact for a relay. (But one that large would have a different
construction. All we have is the one view, an approximate length (about
2-3/4" or so), a guess at eh width (about a half inch or so), and no
real clue as to the thickness (other than it is not as thick as 1/8",
and likely a lot thinner).

Whatever it is, it was a part of something else, and there is
just too little information to even start to guess what it is/was for.

>
> The answers for this set have been posted though three of them have yet to be
> identified.
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/05/set-493.html#answers

A tough one if three of them all go unidentified.

[Rob H.]

> Given the quantity, I think that we can strike my "Just to prove
>that I can do it" purpose.
>
> Is the thickness equal all the way along its length?
>
> Just how thick *is* it.

Here is the full description of them from the email I received:

"...would like to identify is a 5 lb plastic bag full of brass strips. The brass
strips are 3" by 1/2" and approximately 1/32 thick."

Hopefully we'll get an answer for them in the coming weeks.

[Gunner Asch]

They sound like reeds for some musical instrument.


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[j Burns]

I use playing cards as feeler gauges and shims. Each is about .01". I
see how many I can insert, and that's close enough for me.

I've seen brass feeler gauges sold in packs of 10 or 12 of the same
thickness. Perhaps they're used as I use playing cards. If stacking is
precise enough for you, it could be quicker than looking for the gauge
of the thickness you want. If you lose or damage one, who cares? With
stacks of identical gauges, you can measure more than one gap
simultaneously; that might help in assembling some things.

You'd want holes to keep your gauges on a ring. Round holes could bind
if you had a stack of gauges 2cm high on a ring 3cm in diameter. Hence
the ovals.

[Artemus]

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Another possibility is rust proof label tags for just about anything.
Plants & keys are two.
Art

[DoN. Nichols]

Maybe not, if it was over-runs from a one-off project which
someone does not want to say anything about (until he gets the patents).
There are so *many* things that the specified shape could be used for,
so unless there are part numbers on labels on the bags -- which might
take some work to interpret. For example, a lot of things for the
government are marked with a part number and the Federal Supplier code.
The only one of those I know was from Melpar (where I worked almost
fifty years ago), which was "04071" IIRC. So, if you find just two
numbers, one will the the supplier code, and the other a part number,
and if whatever it was was classified, good luck in *ever* finding out,
as by the time it is declassified, likely all the documentation has been
destroyed because it is a *real* pain keeping classified documents.
The amount of re-checking every so often, and the IG checking whether
there are documents which are really not needed and so on. And the
containers have to be checked at the end of each day, and annotated if
they were not opened, or annotated when they are opened and when they
are closed *every* time they are opened and closed, and then finally
checked to be sure that they are properly locked at the end of the day
anyway.

From the shape and the slot, it *could* be an access cover to
some controls inside something. You loosen the screw and slide it to
uncover some adjustment pots or switches -- or to lubricate something,
or whatever.

And are they *truly* brass, or could they be Iridited (or
Alodyned) aluminum or steel (gives the product a yellow tinge, and good
protection against corrosion -- quite common on military parts.)

Good Luck,

[Stormin Mormon]

So much history is lost. we don't know what so many items are. Our ancestors are probably irritated with us, having forgotten so much.

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