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John Larkin  
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 7:30 pm
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From: John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:30:39 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:22:24 -0400, Jamie

I have used a BFT25 to ground an AC-coupled analog signal, in a
gain-switching application. You need a lot of base current to clamp
the negative part of the swing, since reverse beta is low.

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 More options Oct 24 2012, 7:37 pm
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From: "tm" <No_one_h...@white-house.gov>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:39:44 -0400
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge

"John Larkin" <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in message

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Why didn't you use a fet? Just askin'.

 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 7:40 pm
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From: "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:40:10 -0400
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:27:27 -0700, John Larkin

Some can't think without Spice, evidently.

 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 7:41 pm
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From: "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:41:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:55:55 -0400, Spehro Pefhany

Yeah, I didn't count the 5x5(mod10)=5.  That should add another 408 0's, give
or take a fence post.


 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 8:33 pm
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From: Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:33:46 +1100
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On 25/10/2012 12:12 AM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Getting a manager to understand that doing nothing is the best course
when something is running late - that's quite a feat.

Sylvia.


 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 8:46 pm
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From: Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:01:22 -0400
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge

  If you're in need for a low saturated switch and don't want to use mos
then I guess this would work..

   But, beware of what you place at the emitter, I would think you need
to stay belong the zenering of the emitter..

Jamie


 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 8:47 pm
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From: Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:47:32 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:05:17 -0700, John Larkin

<jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>You didn't want to work there, so it was a great interview.

Actually, I did want to work there, and probably would have been
willing to tolerate the manager.  In retrospect, all he was doing was
defending his design and avoided hiring a potential troublemaker (me).

>This is my first-pass qualifier question.

I noticed that nobody actually answered the problem.  So....

>                 +10V
>                  |
>                  C
>+5V--------------B
>                  E
>                  |
>                 1K
>                  |
>                 gnd
>What is the base voltage?

5V

>What is the emitter voltage?

Assuming silicon, and not germanium,
5V - 0.6V = 4.4V

>What is the collector voltage?

10V

>What is the emitter current?

Ie = 4.4V / 1K = 4.4ma

>What is the collector current?

Assuming Beta = 100
Alpha = 100/(100+1) = 0.990
Ic = Alpha * Ie = 0.990 * 4.4ma = 4.36ma

>What is the base current?

4.40ma - 4.36ma = 0.044ma

>The best interview is to work on a real design problem, together on a
>whiteboard, for a couple of hours.

Agreed.  The last engineer I hired (back in the early 1980's) was one
of maybe a dozen applicants that were filtered by HR.  My boss gave me
about an hour each as he didn't want me to spend 12 days on
interviews.  I wasn't hugely interested in what they knew.  I was
interested in their willingness and abilities to learn new things.  My
little memory test trick was my primary tool.  There's not much that
can be done in an hour, especially with constant interruptions.
Eventually, about 4 people in engineering grilled the applicant.  We
then compared notes and passed it on to whomever was going to make the
final decision.  The overall batting average was lousy.  We hired one
clown that instantly retired on the job.  Another specialized in
finding excuses not to show up to work.  Yet another acted like he was
still working for his previous employer.  Spending a day with the
applicant would have brought much of this to the surface, but that
didn't happen.

There's also a problem hiring engineers in very small companies.  At
literally all of my employers, engineers were directly involved in all
aspects of product development, production, QA, and documentation.  We
needed a very versatile engineer, capable of doing more than just
engineering.  I didn't care if the candidate knew how to do
everything.  However, I did care if he was able to learn new skills. I
was hired at one company to do RF design work, but spent the first 6
months cleaning up my predecessors mess on the production line.

>I also like to ask people what they designed last, and to describe
>some circuits.

Yep.  We also did that.  However, I ran into one odd problem with an
engineer from Japan.  I could see that he was competent.  However, I
had great difficulty determining what he did at his previous employer.
It wasn't a big secret as it was all on his resume.  Yet, he wouldn't
talk about it.  I eventually determined that in Japan, he was
considered part of a team.  Discussing a project without the inclusion
of the team was like taking personal credit for the teams
accomplishments.  When I switched my questions to reflect the
accomplishments of the team, the answers were forthcoming.

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 More options Oct 24 2012, 9:24 pm
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From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:24:07 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 24 2012 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:39:44 -0400, "tm" <No_one_h...@white-house.gov>
wrote:

The BFT25 has super low capacitance.

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 More options Oct 24 2012, 11:49 pm
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:48:53 -0800
Local: Thurs, Oct 25 2012 12:48 am
Subject: Re: numerical challenge

   Incorrect answer; a lot more than that (remember, i said FACTORIAL,
which means 4089 * 4088 * 4087 * ... * 3 * 2 * 1).

 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 11:51 pm
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:50:37 -0800
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Subject: Re: numerical challenge

   YES!!
   Correct solution AND correct method.

 
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 More options Oct 24 2012, 11:53 pm
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:52:43 -0800
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Subject: Re: numerical challenge

   Well, there IS a way...fire absolutely everybody and dump the company..

 
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 More options Oct 25 2012, 1:01 am
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From: RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:01:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 25 2012 1:01 am
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Oct 23, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

> >>> I saw this posed as an interview question:

> >>> (usual exponent notation)
> >>> What are the last 3 digits of 171 ^ 172?

> >>> Presumably, one is given pen and paper.
> >>> Is there a trick here?  The second digit isn't too tough,
> >>> but the third is a lot of work.

> >> That's a really stupid interview question for an electronic design
> >> position.

> > It would be a valid question if you apply for a job as a stock broker.

?

> Perhaps not even then. All the offered solutions require knowledge of
> congruences, which is part of basic number theory. Unless a person has
> done a maths degree, or happens to have encountered it in passing (my
> situation), they're unlikely to be sure that the required steps are
> mathematically valid.

It's a firm that does financial modeling.  They're recruiting people
to write code, for statistical analysis etc.; quants, not brokers.

It's a very good question for such a position.  OF course, you want
someone unafraid of math, but better yet, it requires some original
thinking, a problem that wasn't on the exam.

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 More options Oct 25 2012, 8:45 am
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From: "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:45:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:52:43 -0800, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
wrote:

That certainly an option but it doesn't meet the stated goals.

 
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 More options Oct 26 2012, 7:38 pm
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From: RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Oct 26 2012 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Oct 22, William Elliot <ma...@panix.com> wrote:

Yes, that's probably what they expect, and would
get you the job.  It's not too much work.

I did it by looking at periodicities in the second digit, as one
does the multiplications.  But that became excessive, in
the third digit.

But I wonder if there are some obscure number theory short
cuts.  Which might give you a leg up on other candidates,
though it's doubtful the interviewers expect that.

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From: RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: numerical challenge
On Oct 22, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:

> > What are the last 3 digits of 171 ^ 172?
> > Presumably, one is given pen and paper.

> > Is there a trick here?  The second digit isn't too tough,
> > but the third is a lot of work.

> Don't know about a trick. After noting the (*) result below using a
> caculator, I managed to get the right answer from scratch on a
> whiteboard, but I doubt I'd have managed to do it in an interview
> environment.

> Anyway, since we're only looking at the last three digits, we can do
> calculations mod 1000.

In modulo arithmetic, I thought the modulo had to be a prime number.

Is there anything special about 171 and 172?

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