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Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 3:26:31 AM11/15/06
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I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles. Here is
one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has occurred. I have not
checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily longwinded sentences
unlikely.

Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?

--
Richard Heathfield
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Mark P

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Nov 15, 2006, 4:14:32 AM11/15/06
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
> I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles. Here is
> one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has occurred. I have not
> checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily longwinded sentences
> unlikely.
>
> Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?
>

I found the hint excessively generous. I believe this paragraph meets
all requirements. However I'm uncertain that it's a "retort". I'll
call it a "reply". (I realize you were unable to designate likewise.)

Mark

Tim S Roberts

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Nov 15, 2006, 4:26:00 AM11/15/06
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"Mark P" <use...@fall2005REMOVE.fastmailCAPS.fm> wrote in message
news:YTA6h.15603$B31....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

Isn't it funny - I reached the solution numerically. And this is definitely
a reply! But would also qualify as a retort!

Tim


Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 4:28:40 AM11/15/06
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Mark P said:

I constantly misunderestimate[1] the ingenuity of recpuzzlers! Naturally,
your reply is correct.

[1] I hope my usage doesn't constitute patent infringement.

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 4:33:01 AM11/15/06
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Tim S Roberts said:

My last sentence had a curious twist. I noticed the property only *after*
composing it!

CBFalconer

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Nov 15, 2006, 4:34:29 AM11/15/06
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles.
> Here is one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has
> occurred. I have not checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily
> longwinded sentences unlikely.
>
> Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?

Yes. I can. I have.

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No ands or commas.

--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>

rthe...@hotmail.com

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Nov 15, 2006, 5:52:22 AM11/15/06
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
> I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles. Here is
> one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has occurred. I have not
> checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily longwinded sentences
> unlikely.
>
> Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?

Yes.

Do you want a longer reply?

Roy

ken

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Nov 15, 2006, 7:21:52 AM11/15/06
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Making a lengthy legitimate response certainly tests limitations of
one's organisational capabilities, resourcefulness, and determination.

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 7:39:45 AM11/15/06
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CBFalconer said:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles.
>> Here is one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has
>> occurred. I have not checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily
>> longwinded sentences unlikely.
>>
>> Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?
>
> Yes. I can. I have.

<snip>
> No ands or commas.

Not quite that elementary, my friend. But your observation is accurate, I
agree. Nevertheless, commas are acceptable. Also, 'and' is allowed.

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 7:42:42 AM11/15/06
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rthe...@hotmail.com said:

That is one! :-)

Clearly, a longer reply demonstrates knowledge of the solution less
ambiguously.

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 7:50:10 AM11/15/06
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ken said:

<snip>



> Making a lengthy legitimate response certainly tests limitations of
> one's organisational capabilities, resourcefulness, and determination.

Bravo, ken! Such prestilexitation's a delight to behold.

Arthur J. O'Dwyer

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Nov 15, 2006, 2:14:38 PM11/15/06
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles. Here is
> one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has occurred. I have not
> checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily longwinded sentences
> unlikely.
>
> Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?

I can; this is extra simple! Even I could figure it out! Still in the
dark /a propos/ puzzles advanced elsewhere.

My first idea was a stricter guideline; however, simplicity proved
superior. In this reply I follow the tougher protocol.

-Arthur

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 15, 2006, 4:22:48 PM11/15/06
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Arthur J. O'Dwyer said:

> My first idea was a stricter guideline; however, simplicity proved
> superior.

Simplicity notwithstanding, that sentence fails to follow the pattern I
premeditated.

Alan Morgan

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Nov 15, 2006, 5:42:45 PM11/15/06
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In article <X9ydnTlzXup2U8fY...@bt.com>,

Richard Heathfield <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles. Here is
>one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has occurred. I have not
>checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily longwinded sentences
>unlikely.
>
>Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?

I really hope somebody is archiving these and collecting
quality puzzlements. Yes? No? I enjoy them greatly, but
so frustrating!

(FYI: first sentence matches more demanding constraint)

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

Arthur J. O'Dwyer

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Nov 15, 2006, 6:24:58 PM11/15/06
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Arthur J. O'Dwyer said:
>
>> My first idea was a stricter guideline; however, simplicity proved
>> superior.
>
> Simplicity notwithstanding, that sentence fails to follow the pattern I
> premeditated.

I messed up --- too fast altering strikes again! "My first idea was a
stricter guideline; however, simplicity proved predominant."

-Arthur

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 16, 2006, 12:07:10 AM11/16/06
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Arthur J. O'Dwyer said:

>
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> Arthur J. O'Dwyer said:
>>
>>> My first idea was a stricter guideline; however, simplicity proved
>>> superior.
>>
>> Simplicity notwithstanding, that sentence fails to follow the pattern I
>> premeditated.
>
> I messed up --- too fast altering strikes again! "My first idea was a
> stricter guideline; however, simplicity proved predominant."

Yes, that is a skilful shift, Arthur - superbly, perfectly conforming.

Ed Murphy

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Nov 24, 2006, 7:40:23 AM11/24/06
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Richard Heathfield wrote:

> I have not tried deciphering recent composition metarule puzzles. Here is
> one I designed myself. I trust no rule duplication has occurred. I have not
> checked. My simple rule renders extraordinarily longwinded sentences
> unlikely.
>
> Can anybody construct a retort that observes my rules?

What /is/ the answer to this one, anyhow?

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 24, 2006, 7:59:08 AM11/24/06
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Ed Murphy said:

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Oops, sorry, Ed. The rule is simple. Enumerate the letters within each
sentence's words. Within a sentence, no repeats are permitted.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk

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Ed Murphy

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Nov 24, 2006, 1:30:26 PM11/24/06
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So one cannot use, for instance, "eat" and its past-tense form in the
same sentence? For once, I appear to have avoided the mines, even not
understanding their nature.

Richard Heathfield

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Nov 24, 2006, 5:24:41 PM11/24/06
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Ed Murphy said:

Right. That would violate the... oh, stuff it. Yes, the rule was simply that
each word in the sentence must have a number of letters in it that is not
duplicated by any other word, and this paragraph contains several
violations of that rule.

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