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Vari L. Cinicke  
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 More options Nov 6 2007, 7:05 pm
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:05:46 GMT
Local: Tues, Nov 6 2007 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: SCWC 42: Comments

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Nov 6, 12:02 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Nov 5, 11:24 pm, "Vari L. Cinicke" <cini...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 2, 10:35 am, Paddy Grove <paddy_gr...@hotNOSPAMPLEASEmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> This is the thread for comments, questions, raspberries,
>>>>>> etc. (but not entries, apart from "bonus" clues, if any)
>>>>>> relating to the Simple Clue Writing Competition, no. 42.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Paddy Grove, Cambridge, UK
>>>>> Mark I:
>>>>> Cook's aid used to be head of General Electric (5)
>>>>> This could only work if "aid" can do double duty as "aide" as well,
>>>>> for an aid can't be a person (bur fits RANGE), and only a person can
>>>>> have run G. E.
>>>> The OED lists under aid, n:
>>>> 7. a. A person who renders help or assistance; a helper, an assistant;
>>>> b. U.S. = AIDE.
>>> ?? Which edition? Not in my OED!
>>> It claims, under the main entry for Aide, that it's short for aide-de-
>>> camp; both citations are American (the second from 1876) and it's
>>> certainly not apparent from them that it's any such shortening.
>> Current online edition. What edition is yours?

> The original, as reproduced in the Compact OED.

Are you attempting to argue that a print edition from a year you choose
not to divulge supersedes a current online version?

It certainly sounds that way.

>>>> Chambers:
>>>> aid noun 1 help. 2 help or support in the form of money, supplies or
>>>> services given to people who need it. 3 (often in compounds) a person or
>>>> thing that helps do something
>>> Not in a compound here.
>> "Often in compounds" always means that some of the time it is not used
>> in compounds.

>> You don't appear to have any objections that stand scrutiny. I believe
>> that an actual dictionary definition trumps vague objections.

> As a linguist, I know that dictionary definitions are drawn from
> examples of actual usage and not from someone's view of what usage
> "should" be.

Whether you are a linguist or not is truly irrelevant to the meaning of
"often in compounds."  I hope you can see that non-compound uses must
exist to force a dictionary to mark it "often in compounds."

I believe the dictionaries support the clue fully. The numerous uses of
"cook's aid" in the US media including the NY Times supports this clue
in the US too. Perhaps you are thinking of a very narrow and parochial
restriction that would disallow this usage.

--
Cheers,

vc


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