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David Akenhead  
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 More options May 18 2012, 7:20 pm
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From: David Akenhead <da...@akomcrosswords.com>
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 18 2012 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: SCWC 184 Wonderland by Wednesday 23rd May
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On May 18, 10:45 pm, Paul Wolff <bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <ge2dnfPIYNTBwivSnZ2dnUVZ_sydn...@vex.net>, Mark Brader
> <m...@vex.net> writes

> >Ilan Caron:
> >> Beat the German nation for   best place on earth (10)

> >That one sent me to the dictionary to see whether DER LAND was
> >a possible expression in German.  It isn't; LAND is neuter, so
> >it would be DAS LAND.  But "nation" could be LAND in English,
> >so the clue still works and I think it's the rest of us that
> >are beat.

> As a passing stranger here, may I observe that the clue does work as far
> as DER and LAND are concerned, so long as they are addressed separately,
> as Mark explains.

> And if it's open season on the clue I would point out that 'beat', in
> the sense of 'won against', is transitive, while 'won' itself is
> intransitive. It follows that 'beat' and 'won' are not synonyms, or
> mutually substitutable. According to my own rules of crossword clueing,
> 'won' cannot therefore be validly clued by 'beat'. Unless I've
> overlooked some English construction in which this is not true, of
> course.
> --
> Paul

Paul, you beat me to it!

 
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