SCWC 184 Wonderland by Wednesday 23rd May

[David Akenhead]

I feel I'm entering an unknown world here, so the obvious choice is an
area where, by "curious" coincidence, I have a personal connection
thanks to my great grandfather who played chess regularly with the
author!

WONDERLAND

usual rules apply, bonuses welcome, cut-off midnight 23rd May your
time when after due discussion the winner of the "caucus-race" will
receive their due "Prize" !

[Pete Maclean]

Bonus clue:

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (10)

[David Akenhead]

On May 16, 11:32 pm, "Pete Maclean" <p...@maclean.com> wrote:
> Bonus clue:
>
> Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (10)

My bonus!

Billy Fury and anyone else ??!!

It's Only Make Believe (10)

[Mark Brader]

Magical country found in an addition to Earth, with an exotic end (10)
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Dr. Slipher, I have found your Planet X."
m...@vex.net -- Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97), 1930-02-18

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

"Pete Maclean" <pe...@maclean.com> wrote:

> Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (10)

Neither Jacko nor Alice live here any longer (10)

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[Pete Maclean]

I am revising what was my bonus clue and making it (tentatively) my entry:

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. (Maybe Stevie does?) (10)

[Luciano Ward]

WONDERLAND:

On entering den L. Ward fixed up, you'll find an _awesome_ place (10)

L. Ward

[Bees]

Where Alice was led, drawn on uncontrollably (10)


Bees

[Luciano Ward]

WONDERLAND:

Cook uncovered Andean world – El Dorado, perhaps? (10)

This is my official clue; my awesome den clue is a bonus.

Luciano

[ilanc]

On May 17, 12:36 am, David Akenhead <da...@akomcrosswords.com> wrote:
> WONDERLAND

Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)

[Mark Brader]

Ilan Caron:

> Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)

That one sent me to the dictionary to see whether DER LAND was
a possible expression in German. It isn't; LAND is neuter, so
it would be DAS LAND. But "nation" could be LAND in English,
so the clue still works and I think it's the rest of us that
are beat.
--
Mark Brader "If you design for compatibility with a
Toronto donkey cart, what you get is a donkey cart."
m...@vex.net -- ?, quoted by Henry Spencer

[Peter T. Daniels]

On May 18, 10:40 am, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> Ilan Caron:
>
> > Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)
>
> That one sent me to the dictionary to see whether DER LAND was
> a possible expression in German.  It isn't; LAND is neuter, so
> it would be DAS LAND.  But "nation" could be LAND in English,
> so the clue still works and I think it's the rest of us that
> are beat.

"the German" is DER.

[Vinit]

Present realignment of French political extremes and it's a different
world altogether! (10)

Vinit

[Bees]

On Friday, May 18, 2012 10:40:28 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> Ilan Caron:
> > Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)
>
> That one sent me to the dictionary to see whether DER LAND was
> a possible expression in German. It isn't; LAND is neuter, so
> it would be DAS LAND. But "nation" could be LAND in English,
> so the clue still works and I think it's the rest of us that
> are beat.
> --
> Mark Brader

I suppose "the German" could be a composite indicator. But I'd have assumed that the indicator was simply "German", and thus would not have assumed it applied to both "the" and "land" on either side of it --- as, ultimately, you seem to have concluded.

Bees

[Mark Brader]

Ilan Caron:
>>> Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)

Mark Brader:

>> That one sent me to the dictionary to see whether DER LAND was
>> a possible expression in German. It isn't; LAND is neuter, so
>> it would be DAS LAND. But "nation" could be LAND in English,
>> so the clue still works and I think it's the rest of us that
>> are beat.

B. Spollen:

> I suppose "the German" could be a composite indicator. But I'd have
> assumed that the indicator was simply "German", and thus would not have
> assumed it applied to both "the" and "land" on either side of it --- as,
> ultimately, you seem to have concluded.

Well, when I was wondering if "the German land" could be DER LAND,
I wasn't exactly viewing "German" as a translation indicator, but as
part of a 3-word definition whose answer would be in German without
needing an indicator as such. But, yes, that's clearly not the right
reading.
--
Mark Brader, "Technically, it is readable by a human being."
Toronto, m...@vex.net -- David Slocombe

My text in this article is in the public domain.

[rthe...@hotmail.com]

Literary location: Western front, on the German ground (10)

Roy

[Paul Wolff]

In message <ge2dnfPIYNTBwivS...@vex.net>, Mark Brader
<m...@vex.net> writes

>Ilan Caron:
>> Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)
>
>That one sent me to the dictionary to see whether DER LAND was
>a possible expression in German. It isn't; LAND is neuter, so
>it would be DAS LAND. But "nation" could be LAND in English,
>so the clue still works and I think it's the rest of us that
>are beat.

As a passing stranger here, may I observe that the clue does work as far
as DER and LAND are concerned, so long as they are addressed separately,
as Mark explains.

And if it's open season on the clue I would point out that 'beat', in
the sense of 'won against', is transitive, while 'won' itself is
intransitive. It follows that 'beat' and 'won' are not synonyms, or
mutually substitutable. According to my own rules of crossword clueing,
'won' cannot therefore be validly clued by 'beat'. Unless I've
overlooked some English construction in which this is not true, of
course.
--
Paul

[David Akenhead]

On May 18, 10:45 pm, Paul Wolff <bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <ge2dnfPIYNTBwivSnZ2dnUVZ_sydn...@vex.net>, Mark Brader

Paul, you beat me to it!

[Kevin Wald]

Stick around endlessly just to take the German dodo's place (10)

Kevin Wald wa...@math.uchicago.edu | German dodo's on the inside, but
in the
http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~wald | end it's pointless to wait for
him (5)

[il...@google.com]

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:45:41 AM UTC+3, Paul Wolff wrote:
> In message <ge2dnfPIYNTBwivS...@vex.net>, Mark Brader
> <m...@vex.net> writes
> >Ilan Caron:
> >> Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)

> And if it's open season on the clue I would point out that 'beat', in
> the sense of 'won against', is transitive, while 'won' itself is
> intransitive. It follows that 'beat' and 'won' are not synonyms, or
> mutually substitutable. According to my own rules of crossword clueing,
> 'won' cannot therefore be validly clued by 'beat'. Unless I've
> overlooked some English construction in which this is not true, of
> course.

Yep -- I think you've won me (over :).

[Duke]

WONDERLAND:

Place where The Duck is crazy non-waddler (10)

Duke Lefty

[David Akenhead]

I'll be posting the clues and my understandings shortly. Please
forgive if it's a couple of days - massive workload, right now

[Mark Brader]

David Akenhead:
> From Vinit

>
> Present realignment of French political extremes and it's a different
> world altogether! (10)

I read this as:

Present = NOW
realignment = reversal (or anagram) indicator
of = DE
French = translation indicator
political extremes = R and L
and = AND
it's a different world altogether! = WONDERLAND
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Do right; have fun; make money."
m...@vex.net --Ian Darwin on Yuri Rubinsky (1952-96)

[David Akenhead]

Seems I found a little time! Clues below;


These are my provisional assessments for WONDERLAND ???? indicates
full explanation please

From Mark Brader

Magical country found in an addition to Earth, with an exotic end (10)

????

From Jeremy Nicoll

Neither Jacko nor Alice live here any longer (10)

alluding to Michael Jackson's former institution, and Alice's dream

From Pete Maclean

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. (Maybe Stevie does?) (10)

alluding to film/novel and Stevie Wonder (singer)

From Luciano Ward bonus

On entering den L. Ward fixed up, you'll find an _awesome_ place (10)

Anagram of "den L. Ward" around "on"

From Bees

Where Alice was led, drawn on uncontrollably (10)

Def. + anagram of "led drawn on"

From Luciano Ward

Cook uncovered Andean world - El Dorado, perhaps? (10)

Anagram of (A)ndean world

From Ilan Caron

Beat the German nation for best place on earth (10)

WON + DER + LAND

From Vinit

Present realignment of French political extremes and it's a different
world altogether! (10)

???? how does "Present realignment work"?

From Roy Hearle

Literary location: Western front, on the German ground (10)

Def. and W + ON + DER + LAND

From Kevin Wald

Stick around endlessly just to take the German dodo's place (10)

"dodo's place" = def. and ????

From Duke

Place where The Duck is crazy non-waddler (10)

Anagram of "non-waddler" + def.

[Mark Brader]

> From Mark Brader
>
> Magical country found in an addition to Earth, with an exotic end (10)

Magical country = WONDERLAND
found in = link
an = AN
addition to = insertion indicator
Earth = WORLD
with = another insertion indicator
an exotic = anagram indicator
end -> NDE
--
Mark Brader "I don't see much sense in that."
Toronto "No, there isn't. But there was *going* to be
m...@vex.net when I began it. It's just that something
happened to it on the way." --A.A. Milne

My explanation in this article is in the public domain.

[David Akenhead]

Thanks Mark, for both explanations (Vinit's and yours)

[Luciano Ward]

Just in case...

> From Vinit
>
> Present realignment of French political extremes and it's a different
> world altogether! (10)
>
> ???? how does "Present realignment work"?
>

NOW (present) reversed + DE + R+L (political extremes: right and left)
+ AND

> From Kevin Wald
>
> Stick around endlessly just to take the German dodo's place (10)
>
> "dodo's place" = def. and ????

W(ON(DER)L)AND: i.e., WAND (stick) around [ONL(y) (endlessly just)
taking DER]

[Bees]

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:45:47 AM UTC-4, David Akenhead wrote:
...

>
> From Kevin Wald
>
> Stick around endlessly just to take the German dodo's place (10)
>
> "dodo's place" = def. and ????

I'd have parsed this as "stick=wand", "just=only", "the German=der", thus

"W (on (der) l) and"


Bees

[Vinit]

> From Vinit
>
> Present realignment of French political extremes and it's a different
> world altogether! (10)
>
> ???? how does "Present realignment work"?

NOW lined up (differently) as WON

Vinit

[David Akenhead]

Thanks Luciano, Bees and Vinit for the feedback

[Peter T. Daniels]

On May 24, 10:45 am, David Akenhead <da...@akomcrosswords.com> wrote:

> From Jeremy Nicoll
>
> Neither Jacko nor Alice live here any longer (10)

Doesn't affect the cluing or the judging, but can you comfortably say
"Neither A nor B are" (when both A and B are singular)? (Should be
"lives," unless it's a Pondian thing.)

[Jeremy Nicoll - news posts]

It's an illiterate thing. Oh dear.

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