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Flying Tortoise

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May 9, 2008, 7:59:02 AM5/9/08
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To welcome the arrival of Tin Man on British TV screens this week,
this contest celebrates the fairy tale. The task is to clue the title
of a fairy tale in the first line of another (possibly as yet
unheard!) The clue should begin with "Once upon a time" or any
traditional opening words (eg. "Long ago and far, far away", "It came
to pass that") which will serve as the clues 'definition', and
continue with wordplay in the typical narrative form of tales of
wonder and magic.

Once upon a time, a just youth's first gold was buried in the pig-pen
(1,5,5) - A FAIRY STORY
A+FAIR+Y+ST(OR)Y

As well as the traditional sources such as Hans Anderson, the Brothers
Grimm, and Arabian Nights, entrants are free to use more modern tales
such as Peter Pan, The Wizard of Oz, The Tenth Kingdom and Roald
Dahl's children's stories but should avoid anything not usually
considered as a single standalone tale with a beginning a middle and a
happily ever after (ironic or otherwise) end, so no Harry Potter,
Worst Witch etc. please.

As well as the usual virtues of clever (and working!) wordplay, wit,
and a coherent surface, entrants should seek to capture the style and
imagery of fairy tales and to make the clue's story as different as
possible to the clued story (extra kudos if both stories are well
known!)

Flying Tortoise

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May 9, 2008, 8:03:09 AM5/9/08
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Up to five clues please to purpl...@googlemail.com (reply to author
will do nicely) by

23.59 BST, Wednesday 28th May 2008

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The Last Danish Pastry

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May 9, 2008, 11:49:14 AM5/9/08
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"Flying Tortoise" <purpl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> To welcome the arrival of Tin Man on British TV screens this week,
> this contest celebrates the fairy tale. The task is to clue the
> title
> of a fairy tale in the first line of another (possibly as yet
> unheard!) The clue should begin with "Once upon a time" or any
> traditional opening words (eg. "Long ago and far, far away", "It
> came
> to pass that") which will serve as the clues 'definition', and
> continue with wordplay in the typical narrative form of tales of
> wonder and magic.
>
> Once upon a time, a just youth's first gold was buried in the
> pig-pen
> (1,5,5) - A FAIRY STORY
> A+FAIR+Y+ST(OR)Y

No... you have lost me somewhat...

I think you are saying that the clue does not include a true
definition part, but that the first few words take the place of the
usual definition part - and they are effectively ignored.

However, so far as I know "A FAIRY STORY" is not the title of a fairy
tale (as seems to be required by your rules).

> As well as the traditional sources such as Hans Anderson, the
> Brothers
> Grimm, and Arabian Nights, entrants are free to use more modern
> tales
> such as Peter Pan, The Wizard of Oz, The Tenth Kingdom and Roald
> Dahl's children's stories but should avoid anything not usually
> considered as a single standalone tale with a beginning a middle and
> a
> happily ever after (ironic or otherwise) end, so no Harry Potter,
> Worst Witch etc. please.
>
> As well as the usual virtues of clever (and working!) wordplay, wit,
> and a coherent surface, entrants should seek to capture the style
> and
> imagery of fairy tales and to make the clue's story as different as
> possible to the clued story (extra kudos if both stories are well
> known!)

--
Clive Tooth
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Flying Tortoise

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May 9, 2008, 6:17:54 PM5/9/08
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On May 9, 4:49 pm, "The Last Danish Pastry" <cli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Flying Tortoise" <purple....@googlemail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:2d61f4aa-4e5f-49a4...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > To welcome the arrival of Tin Man on British TV screens this week,
> > this contest celebrates the fairy tale. The task is to clue the
> > title
> > of a fairy tale in the first line of another (possibly as yet
> > unheard!) The clue should begin with "Once upon a time" or any
> > traditional opening words (eg. "Long ago and far, far away", "It
> > came
> > to pass that") which will serve as the clues 'definition', and
> > continue with wordplay in the typical narrative form of tales of
> > wonder and magic.
>
> > Once upon a time, a just youth's first gold was buried in the
> > pig-pen
> > (1,5,5) - A FAIRY STORY
> > A+FAIR+Y+ST(OR)Y
>
> No... you have lost me somewhat...
>
> I think you are saying that the clue does not include a true
> definition part, but that the first few words take the place of the
> usual definition part - and they are effectively ignored.
>
> However, so far as I know "A FAIRY STORY" is not the title of a fairy
> tale (as seems to be required by your rules).
>
>
Correct. There is no definition as such, which is why the word
definition is encased in the single quotes! You can simply use the
default (once upon a time) but I offer alternatives lest they be more
fitting to the surface reading of the following wordplay. "A Fairy
Story" is indeed a title - of a film described as an urban fairy tale
(an example of the 'ironic' happy ever after). But I was simply trying
to find an example that would not preempt somebody's actual choice.
Like all examples it was intended to be outdone not admired!

So to be absolutely clear, the answer must be an actual fairy tale's
title. The clue does not need to reference any actual fairy tale, but
be written in the fairy tale style. 'Once upon a time' or its
equivalent should begin the clue and completely replaces the
definition in a standard clue.

The Last Danish Pastry

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May 10, 2008, 6:04:03 AM5/10/08
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"Flying Tortoise" <purpl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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#On May 9, 4:49 pm, "The Last Danish Pastry" <cli...@gmail.com> wrote:
#> "Flying Tortoise" <purple....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
#>
#>
news:2d61f4aa-4e5f-49a4...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
#>
#> > To welcome the arrival of Tin Man on British TV screens this
week,
#> > this contest celebrates the fairy tale. The task is to clue the
#> > title
#> > of a fairy tale in the first line of another (possibly as yet
#> > unheard!) The clue should begin with "Once upon a time" or any
#> > traditional opening words (eg. "Long ago and far, far away", "It
#> > came
#> > to pass that") which will serve as the clues 'definition', and
#> > continue with wordplay in the typical narrative form of tales of
#> > wonder and magic.
#>
#> > Once upon a time, a just youth's first gold was buried in the
#> > pig-pen
#> > (1,5,5) - A FAIRY STORY
#> > A+FAIR+Y+ST(OR)Y
#>
#> No... you have lost me somewhat...
#>
#> I think you are saying that the clue does not include a true
#> definition part, but that the first few words take the place of the
#> usual definition part - and they are effectively ignored.
#>
#> However, so far as I know "A FAIRY STORY" is not the title of a
fairy
#> tale (as seems to be required by your rules).
#>
#>
#Correct. There is no definition as such, which is why the word
#definition is encased in the single quotes!

Ah, thank you for explaining that. I had thought that the first single
quote was a mis-placed apostrophe from "clues", and I was mystified by
the second one.


#You can simply use the
#default (once upon a time) but I offer alternatives lest they be more
#fitting to the surface reading of the following wordplay. "A Fairy
#Story" is indeed a title - of a film described as an urban fairy tale
#(an example of the 'ironic' happy ever after). But I was simply
trying
#to find an example that would not preempt somebody's actual choice.
#Like all examples it was intended to be outdone not admired!

I would have thought that a sine qua non for any example clue is that
it should conform to the rules of the contest. But I imagine that you
would like to argue this point.


#So to be absolutely clear, the answer must be an actual fairy tale's
#title. The clue does not need to reference any actual fairy tale, but
#be written in the fairy tale style. 'Once upon a time' or its
#equivalent should begin the clue and completely replaces the
#definition in a standard clue.

Flying Tortoise

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May 10, 2008, 9:18:01 AM5/10/08
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On May 10, 11:04 am, "The Last Danish Pastry" <cli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>

> #You can simply use the
> #default (once upon a time) but I offer alternatives lest they be more
> #fitting to the surface reading of the following wordplay. "A Fairy
> #Story" is indeed a title - of a film described as an urban fairy tale
> #(an example of the 'ironic' happy ever after). But I was simply
> trying
> #to find an example that would not preempt somebody's actual choice.
> #Like all examples it was intended to be outdone not admired!
>
> I would have thought that a sine qua non for any example clue is that
> it should conform to the rules of the contest. But I imagine that you
> would like to argue this point.
>
Not at all. It does conform to the rules albeit with an extremely
obscure (though completely verifiable) answer.
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