Boulders, Boulders, Boulders!
HomerAYK
or where I could possibly get some free rocks? I don't feel like paying nursery
prices for rocks that I could probably find a cheaper price for.
Thanks in advance.
HomerAYK
Tildog
>pond,
>or where I could possibly get some free rocks?<<
How about your local stream beds? Here in So. CA, some of the ranger stations
in our local mountains give out a free permit for a ton of rocks. If you want
more than a ton, you pay $10.00 for any additional permit.
Mike
Cypress, CA
SueAnn
Lots of farmers up around the Dells are happy to have the "crop" removed.
If you're down around the Quincy area, check out some of the geode
locations. you can come up with some good sized ones. Just ask the 3
neighbor kids who stole and sold all of ours!
If you're anywhere near the Rock or Mississippi Rivers, you have a treasure
trove just waiting, especially the Rock.
SueAnn--
"Of course we don't need to save the earth.
After all, we've got something to replace it with...right?"
HomerAYK wrote in message <19990308231837...@ng-fd1.aol.com>...
>I live in IL, and I was wondering where I can buy some rocks to use in my
pond,
HomerAYK
would I transport so many rocks? U-Haul?
SueAnn
SueAnn--
"Of course we don't need to save the earth.
After all, we've got something to replace it with...right?"
HomerAYK wrote in message <19990309074911...@ng127.aol.com>...
Rod Farlee
>>in my pond, or where I could possibly get some free rocks?
If you live in hilly southern Illinois, definitely.
I live in Delaware, and am using all free local stone.
Look for an area where the stream drops. Our neighborhood
stream drops about 100 vertical feet in a mile, then levels off.
At the bottom of this drop are several hundred feet of gravel
beds, nicely sorted in size by Mother Nature. First boulders, then
large rocks, then gravel, then sand. The variety of our local geology
is remarkable; everything from granite and quartzite to sandstone,
all nicely rounded, in any shape and size.
They won't fit like quarried flagstone, and require some labor,
but then the "shopping" is part of the fun.
(Alas, one is almost certain to find "free" boulders when one digs any
pond around here! grin... and groan!)
- Rod
Glenn Rieker
this list started the throttle term)...but I can't any longer.......This
group is trying to reproduce Mother Nature and yet I have read post after
post after post about getting stones and or boulders out of the local stream
bed......fortunately in Pennsylvania we have very strict laws against this
and either the local police or DNR officials will hopefully catch you
destroying what God and Mother Nature have worked so hard to balance and
either shoot you or throw your sorry a** in jail with a hefty fine, with no
conjugal visits.
To recommend someone go into a healthy stream, lake or other natual habitat
and cause large or small amounts of silt to disrupt and destory natural
habitat for years is no better than captaining the Exxon Valdez.
I used to live near the Rock River in Illinois for thirty years and first of
all you couldn't pay me to wade into that disgusting river.
The only responsible place to get the cherished round boulders we look for
our streams is either from old stone rows in the fields(usually not round
stones) or from sand quarries who seperate the stone from the sand they
quarry which was a river or lake bed 1000's of years ago. And if you have
ever gone out to hand pick rock you will soon see why garden centres or
quarries charge for the convenience of having them in their sales yard on
pallets or in bulk. If you live in an area that has quarries the price
should be around $18.00/ton and the delivery will cost you more than the
rock...the challenge comes in if you live say in south jersey where they
have sand and that's it. Yes, you will pay a premium then no matter where
you source your rocks from then.
Please don't let me see any more mentally challenged posts about harvesting
rocks from streams, stream edges(the rocks help with floods) or the
like....this group is more intelligent than that......
--
Glenn Rieker
BS Landscape Architecture
Remember.....Life is a game don't live it on the bench!
http://www.gardenhaus.com
Rod Farlee wrote in message <19990309090536...@ng17.aol.com>...
N Crow
BOULDERS from streams?? The 1st ton for free...$10 for additional
tons??? No wonder we are known are the disposable society!
I suspect that is why the Californians - not all by any stretch of the
imagination - are known for screwing up the environment causing mud
slides, floods etc. ad nauseum, then moving on to Washington State
rapeing that land and now into the Western states. Wake up, people! We
are smarter than this. You want a Boulder? Build it from scrap.
Nedra
St. Louis, Missouri
visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/9774/
szplit
drive a truckload of rock back to Chicago. There are piles and piles of rock
up here.
szplit & schnauzer
GardenMaid
writes:
>To recommend someone go into a healthy stream, lake or other natual habitat
>and cause large or small amounts of silt to disrupt and destory natural
>habitat for years is no better than captaining the Exxon Valdez.
This is a very good point! Excellent, in fact! Your attitude about rock has
a lot to do with where you are. I've never run across a stone in all my
digging in this sand pile I live on. My sister lives 20 miles north of me and
there is rock everywhere you look in her area. I hauled a few rocks from up
there that I found in a pile of dirt from a road building project. It's fruit
orchard country up there and all the farmers have piles of rocks from
cultivation free for the taking. My sister even has an old foundation on her
property that's all fieldstone. (And no pond! - yet!).
When we put in the pond, we bought fieldstone from a landscape supply - and I
felt guilty to be a part of keeping some ugly quarry in business. (All the time
thinking, "If I'd just brought ONE rock every time I visited my sister!") But
taking rock from a quarry sounds WAY better than disturbing an untouched spot
in Mother Nature. No way will we ever recreate a garden THAT nice! At least
the scar from the quarry is already there! Our little S-10 could never have
hauled all the rock we needed that 20 miles. We figured we paid for the
equipment to bring it here. We got one rock that weighed 4,720 pounds -
brought it in on a big truck and placed it with a crane. It's a nice bench -
no changing your mind about where you want it, tho'! :-)
Toni in Michigan
Derek
<19990309195448...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>Your attitude about rock has
>a lot to do with where you are. I've never run across a stone in all
my
>digging in this sand pile I live on.
Me too - the biggest stone I found in my 5000 gallon pond was about 8"
x 6" - and turned out to be a lump of concrete! I didn't find
anything else bigger than my fist.
>Our little S-10 could never have
>hauled all the rock we needed that 20 miles. We figured we paid for
the
>equipment to bring it here. We got one rock that weighed 4,720
pounds -
I can just picture it on your S-10 - like a scene from the
Flintstones! :-)
--
Derek (dbroughton@@usa.net, www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
The palaces of kings are built on the ruins of Paradise. -- Paine
Jerrispond
they are bulldozing they always say ok you can have them just get them when we
are not working. jerri
Rod Farlee
>and cause large or small amounts of silt to disrupt and destory natural
My, my, your heart's surely in the right place, but your head...?
As I hope you're aware, the health of many streams has been greatly
affected by cultivation and urbanization of their watersheds. The
result of more rapid runoff is erosion and channellization. A byproduct
is that, although our east coast streams have been used as a source of rock
for two centuries, the supply is today greater than ever. Many rock/
gravel beds are being actively laid down on the insides of bends which
causing active erosion of the outside bend, undermining roads and
bridge approaches, parkland, trees, etc. Picking stone from these is
beneficial, albeit whatever any of us could do by hand is completely
negligible. But I agree some thought should be given to where stone is
picked.
As an example, one of our local streams is filled with hand-hewn, hand
sized granite blocks. These from a flood which, a decade ago, destroyed
a century-old bridge, the flood again abetted by urbanization. Now, I ask
you, is removing this debris contrary to nature's plan for the stream?
I really don't know the answer. I do know that having parking lots, roads,
bridges, and homes, or even plowed fields, in the watershed is not... but
here we are. And, alas, we've caused a lot of rock to be unearthed. But
there it is. You can have all you can carry; I'll show you where our
streams have too much for their own good, and where if you don't move
it, the County or State has and shall again, to prevent flooding.
I just suggest that this topic isn't as simple as you may feel it is. Indeed,
I share your hope that this group is more intelligent than that. The bottom
line is that many streams are not natural, and no amount of emotional
huffing and puffing will make them so. We have destroyed their
watersheds, causing their beds to be ripped out by flooding, and to the
limited extent that anyone might do by hand, removing some of that excess
rock makes them "more natural". Watershed management is the real
solution. Emotional diatribes are not helpful.
- Rod
N Crow
Actually, some very good suggestions here. The farmers in Missouri
stack stones in their fields...some are by the road. These are free for
the taking.
I wouldn't even try taking from Missouri's
streams and small rivers - they're protected ;-)
Nedra
South of St. Louis
visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/9774/
Glenn Rieker
this newgroup "farlee" was nice enough :) to also send that post(flame) to
me personally via email I guess in case I didn't get to read it in the
group.....If people are telling you no, no, no or personally attacking you
"questioned where my head may be" you know you are on the track to
success........I did respond to this personal email of the post....however,
being more mature I answered him personally instead of on the group......due
to the personal flames such as this...I, as others, have chosen to answer
the posts we do, directly to the person asking the question rather than on
the group
--
Glenn Rieker
BS Landscape Architecture
Remember.....Life is a game don't live it on the bench!
http://www.gardenhaus.com
Jerrispond wrote in message <19990310115521...@ng103.aol.com>...
KenCo
>
> >To recommend someone go into a healthy stream, lake or other natual habitat
> >and cause large or small amounts of silt to disrupt and destory natural
> >habitat for years is no better than...
>
> My, my, your heart's surely in the right place, but your head...?
>
Its also illegal to take stone/rock from most of the country.
here (RI) its a $500.00 fine if caught.
also,parasites etc. that can come w/ them can kill your fish if
not treated/sterilized before using them.
--
Ken Arnold,
KenCo Fish & Supplies Pond and Aquarium fish,
Shipping plants/fish etc. a specialty
Imported & domestic Koi,Goldfish,Orandas,
Tropicals,exotics, Piranhas etc.
http://www.kencofish.com mailto:ke...@kencofish.com
jeff
do to the ecosystem. As stated , many farmers pile rocks at the edges
of fields when plowing. You just have to take the time to look.
jan jordan
One of my rare mornings to sleep in when my next door neighbor rudely woke
me to the klunk, klunk, klunk of rocks being toss onto metal. I got dressed
quickly and strolled out. "What's ya doing, neighbor?"
He was going to haul off <<to the landfill>>, I don't know how many tons,
of flat basalt. Anyone priced flat basalt lately? This stuff has to be
chipped by man to be reasonably flat, I do believe. Anyway, this stuff had
originally been in someone's fireplace and they didn't like the dark look
so they tore it out (I should have such money not to like my cement fake
stone fireplace). His X-wife brought the rock home and made a path way
which quickly became weed infested. When she split he decided getting rid
of the hated pathway would be some satisfying closure. Unfortunately, he
only got as far as my yard. I originally fish scaled the rock into a line
between his yard and mine 3' X 50', with no plans of ponds floating in my
head. It was almost 5 years before we did the ponds and did that rock come
in handy.
Around the waterfall mountain I went over to K30's neighborhood (known for
rocks) where new construction was going on and removed the ones closest to
road so the contractor's trucks wouldn't get hurt. ;o)
Moral of the story, every klunk in your life may be an opportunity waking.
~ jan
Bonnie Espenshade
A word of caution here though, if the stone is by the side of the road - it
may have been treated with chemicals by the road department to keep down the
weeds.
--
Bonnie
NJ
http://www.users.fast.net/~maebe/index.htm
Lori Coulson
: I am with Glenn on this one! The State of California permits you take
: BOULDERS from streams?? The 1st ton for free...$10 for additional
: tons??? No wonder we are known are the disposable society!
There are areas in Southern California where the mountains _shed_ rocks,
causing landslides and massive damage to houses below! The local
governments *pay* to have these stones hauled away...and L.A. has huge
concrete containment systems to catch these stones before they do damage.
: I suspect that is why the Californians - not all by any stretch of the
: imagination - are known for screwing up the environment causing mud
: slides, floods etc. ad nauseum, then moving on to Washington State
: rapeing that land and now into the Western states. Wake up, people! We
: are smarter than this. You want a Boulder? Build it from scrap.
In this case, damage is not being done to the environment--the locals are
trying to cope with a problem good old Mother Earth saddled them with....
Lori Coulson
--
*****************************************************
...Or do you still wait for me, Dream Giver...
Just around the riverbend? Pocahontas
*****************************************************
Derek
>
>There are areas in Southern California where the mountains _shed_
rocks,
>causing landslides and massive damage to houses below! The local
>governments *pay* to have these stones hauled away...and L.A. has
huge
>concrete containment systems to catch these stones before they do
damage.
>
are
>trying to cope with a problem good old Mother Earth saddled them
with....
???And why do these mountains shed rocks & damage homes? Clear
cutting, road building, homes just plain built in the wrong places.
If they stopped removing the rocks, it only stands to reason that it
would reach an equilibrium at some point - of course it might take
thousands of years.
--
Derek (dbroughton@@usa.net, www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
Thou whoreson Z! Thou unnecessary letter! - Shakespeare
N Crow
especially to Mike for venting in the manner I did... I am sorry! ~
Nedra
visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/9774/
V LAURELS
Tildog
>: I am with Glenn on this one! The State of California permits you take
>: BOULDERS from streams?? The 1st ton for free...$10 for additional
>: tons??? <<
I understand the environmental concerns. But, as I originally noted, I said
the Forest Service issues "permits". Perhaps some people have not seen places
where the rocks are as the sand is in the Sahara. At these locations, a truck
load of rocks would be missed as much as a truck load of sand taken from the
Sahara.
Mike
Rod Farlee
>There are areas in Southern California where the mountains _shed_
rocks,
>???And why do these mountains shed rocks & damage homes?
>Clear cutting, road building, homes just plain built in the wrong places.
>If they stopped removing the rocks, it only stands to reason that it
>would reach an equilibrium at some point - of course it might take
>thousands of years.
Straying far afield here, it is because the San Bernardino Mountains are
rising at a prodigious rate, where the Pacific and North American plates
are colliding. They are inherently unstable. The local situation may
reach equilibrium when they join the Alaska range. Until then, these
mountains will actively shed rocks.
One may well interpret that as nature telling us, sometimes pointedly, we
shouldn't live there in the meantime, but... Derek you may rest assured
that your Canadian Shield shall stand, when much of California is long
gone! grin Of course, all Canadians are welcome to join us during the
occasional glaciation in the meantime... just watch for falling rocks!
- Rod
Derek
>
>Straying far afield here, it is because the San Bernardino Mountains
are
>rising at a prodigious rate, where the Pacific and North American
plates
>are colliding. They are inherently unstable. The local situation
may
>reach equilibrium when they join the Alaska range. Until then, these
>mountains will actively shed rocks.
Yeah, and that was the 'homes in wrong places' part. It's as smart as
people building in river valleys and then complaining that the Corps
of Engineers isn't doing its job to prevent flooding. If the
mountains are shedding rocks on you, build where they're not, and
leave the rocks where they are. It only stands to reason that if you
knock over half a wall, you can't knock over the bottom of it until
you clear away the debris.
>One may well interpret that as nature telling us, sometimes
pointedly, we
>shouldn't live there in the meantime, but... Derek you may rest
assured
>that your Canadian Shield shall stand, when much of California is
long
>gone! grin Of course, all Canadians are welcome to join us during
the
>occasional glaciation in the meantime... just watch for falling
rocks!
I'm afraid when that time comes, I'm going to be on the bottom of the
reborn Champlain Sea. I'm well south of the Canadian shield. I'm not
sure you can really talk about the Shield "standing", it's been pretty
well ground down :-)
--
Derek (dbroughton@@usa.net, www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
There's powers and then there's powers. -- Shakespeare
Tildog
to Mike for venting in the manner I did... I am sorry! ~
>Nedra <<
Like a chimney, a good vent is a good thing.
Mike
Cypress, CA
Drew Lawson
tig...@webtv.net (N Crow) writes:
>I am with Glenn on this one! The State of California permits you take
>BOULDERS from streams?? The 1st ton for free...$10 for additional
I can't help but wonder why there is so much indignation that some
areas allow collection of river rocks (BTW, "boulder" can be much
smaller that you might think), but I haven't seen a single peep
when people are talking about getting a truckload delivered from
their landscape supply company.
Do you think they *manufacture* those truckloads of "river rock"?
I'm not really on either side of the issue, but some consistency
would be good.
--
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N Crow
nothing of getting a truckload of river rocks delivered from the
landscapers.. Do you think they *manufacure* those "river rocks"..
~~~~~~
Drew, I think there is some consistency.. people have talked about the
farmers who have stacks of rocks from their fields..free for the
taking. Others have talked about finding an
abandoned house foundation on their relatives' farm. etc.
I ordered umpteen tons of 'field stones' for my waterfall. When I
checked with the landscapers they confirmed that the rocks
are from 'harvesters' (my word) who find the large amounts of stones
from areas that are going to be developed. I am not a proponent of
development. In
fact, I grieve the number of Missouri hills
that have fallen victim to the
bulldozer...whatever the reason! For me to do without a waterfall
would be a simple solution! Consistency there.
Or perhaps I could hire someone to go to the highway cut-throughs and
gather rocks...consistency, yes.
But I am woman who has many, many inconsistencies....and therefore, I
paid a princely sum to have the landscaper deliver the field stones to
my driveway
visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/9774/
N Crow
not even know where I was stopped? VBG
Nedra
from Missouri
visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/9774/
Vern
mother nature resuffles the earth quite regularly. :-) Not that I don't
think california doesn't have it's share of crazy people. Remember,
everyone except me and thee are crazy and sometimes I think thee are a
little odd. (BG)
vern
Derek wrote:
> Lori Coulson wrote:
> >
> >There are areas in Southern California where the mountains _shed_
> rocks,
> >causing landslides and massive damage to houses below! The local
> >governments *pay* to have these stones hauled away...and L.A. has
> huge
> >concrete containment systems to catch these stones before they do
> damage.
> >
> >In this case, damage is not being done to the environment--the locals
> are
> >trying to cope with a problem good old Mother Earth saddled them
> with....
>
> ???And why do these mountains shed rocks & damage homes? Clear
> cutting, road building, homes just plain built in the wrong places.
> If they stopped removing the rocks, it only stands to reason that it
> would reach an equilibrium at some point - of course it might take
> thousands of years.
> --
> Derek (dbroughton@@usa.net, www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
> rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
Derek
>Derek: You forget that in California nothing ever stabilizes
because
>mother nature resuffles the earth quite regularly. :-) Not that I
don't
>think california doesn't have it's share of crazy people. Remember,
>everyone except me and thee are crazy and sometimes I think thee are
a
>little odd. (BG)
One of my mother's favorite sayings :-)
Mitchel Courson
many tree hugging liberals hung out in this ng. Get a grip people, this
planet has survived millions of years and will continue to do so with or
without the rocks around my pond.
Nedra Crow
Thanks so much for setting this guy straight. No one can accuse me of
being
a 'tree hugging liberl' either. My stand on this issue has already
been stated.
Nedra
St. Louis, Missouri
visit my ponds: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/9774/
EM436
Mitchell, regular visitors to this newsgroup (I haven't seen you before,have
I?) will acknowledge that I'm not one of the "tree hugging liberals...." but I
do agree with everyone who thinks we have to be very careful with what we do
with our environment, including the rocks in the streams and rivers.
Ed in Chicago
Vern
vern
GardenMaid
<mig...@knology.net> writes:
>Get a grip people, this
>planet has survived millions of years and will continue to do so
And doing better all the time, right? I don't know how old you are, but when I
was a kid it was no big deal to spend the day at the beach - never heard of sun
screen, holes in the ozone, or garbage barges floating around with no place to
unload. Get a grip is right!
Toni in Michigan
Derek
<19990322101332...@ngol01.aol.com>...
Yep, this world will continue. But I'm afraid it couldn't care less
whether Mitchel and all the rest of us continue along with it...
--
Derek (dbroughton@@usa.net, www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
The law hath not been dead, though it hath slept. - Shakespeare
Jagr62
Vern wrote in message <36F642D2...@primenet.com>...
Derek
<3408-36F...@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Thanks so much for setting this guy straight. No one can accuse me
of
>being
>a 'tree hugging liberl' either. My stand on this issue has already
>been stated.
Oh yeah? I hereby accuse you both of being closet tree-huggers :-)
Next thing you'll be chanting the praises of ... No, nevermind, I am
NOT going to get that started again...
Dave
> besides rocks arent alive!!
yes they are
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jan jordan
>Ahhhhh technically they are rock huggers.. Ingrid
>
LOL! Yeah, have you hugged you're rock today? ;o)
Sure did, and I hugged my neighbor's rock, while I carried it over to my
yard, too. ~ jan