Gotta stop reading this NG...
Czmike
...as you all have me constantly wondering how to make my pond bigger. I could
make a big bog down hill, and a large, elevated pond up hill... course I'll
need to really rethink the pump situation and the veggie filter... and what
will DW say... and will the 2.5 tons or stone already there be enough or will
I need to make more trips to the quarry...
Mike
Steve
You could use the bog as your filter, add a few reeds, and circulate
the cleaned water up to the top pond. This way you could top the
system up from your bath and washing machine.
I did it.
http://www.interlogic.co.uk/~spider/river
Steve Rodgers
Jim Eller
HI
Could you explain this please?... Do you mean you are using bath water/washing
machine water in your pond??? Or am i misunderstanding something here?
> You could use the bog as your filter, add a few reeds, and circulate
> the cleaned water up to the top pond. This way you could top the
> system up from your bath and washing machine.
>
> I did it.
>
> http://www.interlogic.co.uk/~spider/river
>
> Steve Rodgers
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~ WindSong ~
: You could use the bog as your filter, add a few reeds, and circulate
: the cleaned water up to the top pond. This way you could top the
: system up from your bath and washing machine.
: : I did it.
================================================O
I assume you bathe and wash your clothes without soap or bleach?
Interesting.... interesting indeed.
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Steve Walker
On 26 Jun 1998 06:00:52 GMT, "~ WindSong ~" <noh...@coldcom.com>
wrote:
>: You could use the bog as your filter, add a few reeds, and circulate
>: the cleaned water up to the top pond. This way you could top the
>: system up from your bath and washing machine.
>: : I did it.
>I assume you bathe and wash your clothes without soap or bleach?
>Interesting.... interesting indeed.
Nope: Steve posted the details of how he did it a year or two back:
I'd definitely suggest having a look at his site. Basically, the grey
water went into a large sump under his patio. This diluted the
effluent, which was then pumped through what amounted to a reed bed
sewage treatment plant in miniature. The water flowed out of there
through a watercourse, back to the sump.
The water flowing from the reed bed was clean enough to keep koi,
trout and crayfish in it.
Steve
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steve knight
>: You could use the bog as your filter, add a few reeds, and circulate
>: the cleaned water up to the top pond. This way you could top the
>: system up from your bath and washing machine.
>: : I did it.
>: Steve Rodgers
>================================================O
>I assume you bathe and wash your clothes without soap or bleach?
>Interesting.... interesting indeed.
actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
waste water in your house.
"Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese"
john quill taylor
ste...@ethergate.com (steve knight) wrote:
>actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
>waste water in your house.
I even taught a Cabomba to do light vacumming 'round the house!
- jqt -
Kthirty
>>>actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
>waste water in your house.
I even taught a Cabomba to do light vacumming 'round the house!<<
But will Anacharis do windows?
Kathy 30acre and the gardening labrador girls, Rosie and Heidi. Zone 7, hot and
sunny summers by the pond
Kmam1
In article <3595c4bb...@nntp.ethergate.com>, ste...@ethergate.com (steve
knight) writes:
>actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
>waste water in your house.
would you name some of the plants that do this type filtering?
thanks
Karen
john quill taylor
km...@aol.com (Kmam1) wrote:
>would you name some of the plants that do this type filtering?
These are some good ones (search the web for more information):
Oxygenating Grasses and Submerged Plants
-----------------------------------------------------------
Anacharis (Elodea canadensis) (also Egeria) whorls of deep green,
glossy, plastic-like
Cabomba (Cabomba caroliniana) (also Fanwort) fluffy, glossy light
green fan-like foliage tipped in silver
Hornwort (Ceratophyllum demersum) (also Coontail) fine, easy-to-grow,
lacy grass good for breeding fish
Hygrophilla (Hygrophilla polysperma) elongated bright green foliage
Water Wisteria (Hygrophilla difformis) bright green leaves, large,
showy, one of the nicest plants to have on the edge of a pond, it
mounds up, covers edges, and blooms constantly
Foxtail (Myriophyllum heterophyllum) (also Water Milfoil) dense
bushy light soft-textured green foliage
Sagittaria (Sagittaria subulata) ribbon-shaped leaves, small,
white flowers float on water surface
Vallisneria (Vallisneria spiralis) green, good oxygenator,
leaves pinkish-red when in bright light
My favorite (for a relatively cool koi pond) is Hornwort.
Basically, any plant that has NO roots is a good choice,
since it gets its nitrogen from the water (the water is
its root).
There is also a theory about how some plants destroy algae:
Ceratophyllum demersum (Hornwort)
http://home.clara.net/xenotoca/hornw.htm
"has whirled leaves which are densely crowded at the apex of
beautifully branched stems, whereas internodes may exceed 3 cm
in length at the base of older stems.
"Ceratophyllum demersum is an obligate submerged perennial plant
which does not form roots. In Nature it is usually found buried
in sandy to silty sediments where it anchors itself by modified
leaves. Ceratophyllum demersum often forms monospecific populations
and is found down to 10 m depth as individual very slow-growing plants.
"In the aquarium, on the other hand, it prefers relatively high light,
and it does not tolerate transportation for extended periods. It
excretes substances toxic to algae (allelopathic behaviour) and at
good growth conditions it efficiently inhibits most algae growth."
allelopathic behaviour
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/courses/en570/papers_1994/kebede.html
Autotoxicity
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/courses/en570/papers_1994/marko.html
good web page for oxygenating plants
http://www.icentral.com/waterplants/aisle8.html
good web page for plant identification
http://www.actwin.com/fish/mirror/plant-list.html
- jqt -
WindSong
: actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
: waste water in your house.
I believe that of course but the soaps and bleaches, fabric softeners?
That would take quite a large bog with bazillions of plants I would think.
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WindSong
: But will Anacharis do windows?
:
: Kathy 30acre
===================================><>
But will any of them do bathrooms? :o)
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Kmam1
Thanks so very much. I have some of the ones you name and have seen TV shows
about plants that can transform even industrial waste, but never could remember
the names of them to buy for the pond. I have anacharis and fanwart and 2
sagittaria, but they are not the ones you describe. Now I have a shopping list
for the weekend.
Again, thank you.
Karen
In article <6n0s9a$76...@hpbs1500.boi.hp.com>, john-qui...@hp.com (john
Bonnie Espenshade
I want to know where you find these educated plants. Mine just sit there.
Bonnie
NJ
Kthirty wrote:
> >>>actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
> >waste water in your house.
>
> I even taught a Cabomba to do light vacumming 'round the house!<<
>
> But will Anacharis do windows?
>
Craig
Two years ago at the Philadelphia flower show, a college group, I
believe Temple, had a demo on a system they designed called the "Green
machine" I believe. It was basically a design for a commercial office
building where all waste was treated internally. I don't remember the
entire set-up but I do remember that all offices and allways had
planters containing bog plants. They were all interconnected from the
top floor down. By the time the water got to the bottom it was cleaner
then when it started.
I imagine it would be expensive to build but I believe, as they did,
that it will be an important contribution to our future survival as we
put more demand on our natural resources.
Craig
WindSong wrote:
>
> : actually if set up right plants will filter out everything from the
> : waste water in your house.
> : =======================================O
> I believe that of course but the soaps and bleaches, fabric softeners?
> That would take quite a large bog with bazillions of plants I would think.
> --
> Carol ...... fishhead at hotcom.net
> Death is not the end; there remains the litigation over the pets.
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Keith & Wei Wei
We collected this water plant that sends out long runners, with bright
green squarish leaves and yellow flowers with five petals (I think) that
only last one day.
What do you think it is?
john quill taylor wrote:
>
> km...@aol.com (Kmam1) wrote:
>
> >would you name some of the plants that do this type filtering?
>
> These are some good ones (search the web for more information):
>
> Oxygenating Grasses and Submerged Plants
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Anacharis (Elodea canadensis) (also Egeria) whorls of deep green,
john quill taylor
Keith & Wei Wei <man...@airmail.net> wrote:
>We collected this water plant that sends out long runners, with bright
>green squarish leaves and yellow flowers with five petals (I think) that
>only last one day.
>What do you think it is?
I'm not sure...
Here are some more plants (before I had just listed grasses):
Bog Plants, Sunny
-----------------------------------------------------------
Aquatic Mint (Mentha aquatica) lush plant with a nostalgic mint fragrance
Creeping Jenny (Lysimachia nummularia) occasional blooms and charming
foliage
Golden Club (Orontium aquaticum) distinctive, elegant white flowers tipped
with brilliant yellow
Lizard's Tail (Saururus cernuus) bloom looks like a lizard's tail, up to
two feet tall
Rainbow Plant (Houttuynia cordata) striking, multi-colored leaves
Sagittaria (Sagittaria) lime green, grass-like leaves, outlined in black,
with tiny white flowers
Sagittaria, Miniature (Sagittaria) smaller sagittaria with white flowers
Square Rush (Eleocharis quadrangulate) upright plant with four-sided stems
Sweetflag (Acorus calamus) iris-like leaves with a sweet aroma when
crushed
Sweetflag, Dwarf Variegated (Acorus gramineus) diminutive version of the
variegated sweetflag
Sweetflag, Variegated (Acorus calamus) variegated foliage
Bog Plants, Shady
-----------------------------------------------------------
Azure Pickerel Plant (Pontederia lancifolia) glossy, long, olive leaves,
up to four feet tall
Egyptian Paper Plant, Dwarf (Cyperus isocladus) (formerly Cyperus haspans)
thistle-like foliage, up to three feet tall
Papyrus or Egyptian Paper Reed (Cyperus papyrus) beautiful water plant, up
to six feet tall
Papyrus, Miniature (Cyperus haspan vipiparus) bright green stems with
circular clusters of chartreuse flowers
Passion Plant (Neptunia oleracea) foliage closes when touched, lives
without pot for a season
Taro, Black Princess (Colocasia affinis) dark green foliage with velvet
black
Taro, Green (Colocasia esculenta) (also Colocasia indica) dark green and
strong grower
Taro, Purple Stem (Colocasia multiflora)
Taro, Variegated (Alocasia amazonica) ivory mottled lush green leaves
Taro, Violet Stemmed (Colocasia esculenta) violet form of the exotic green
taro
Umbrella Palm (Cyperus alternifolius) subtropical, umbrella shaped stems,
will grow indoors
Umbrella Palm, Dwarf (Cyperus alternifolius) diminutive version of
umbrella palm
Flowering Aquatic Plants
-----------------------------------------------------------
Frogbit (Limnobium stoloniferum) (also Hydrocharis morsus-ranae) small,
bright green leaves, readily flowers
Pennywort (Hydrocotyle verticillata) (also Hydrocotyle umbellata)
evergreen vine with round leaves and yellow flowers
Pennywort, Four-leaf (Hydrocotyle umbellata)
Water Clover (Marsilea mutica) (also Marsilea quadrifolia) a four-leaf
water clover
Water Cress (Rorippa nasturtium-aquaticum) fish eat them, chalk-white
flowers
Water Hawthorne (Aponogeton distachyus) waxy flowers seem to change color,
white to green
Water Hyacinth (Eichhornia crassipes) fish eat them, aphids, intense
lavender-blue flower
Water Lily (Nymphaea) aphids, these flowering plants are the pride of
water gardens
Water Pennywort (Hydrocotyle verticillata) (also Hydrocotoyle
leucocephala) tall, with heart-shaped green leaves, grows floating
Water Snowflake (Nymphoides indica) like water lily, leaf forms new
plants, white flowers
Water Sprite (Ceratopteris thalictroides) broad fern-like and spreads like
fan under water
Flowering Bog Plants
-----------------------------------------------------------
Arrowhead Ruby Eye (Sagittaria montevidensis) (also Duck Potato)
maroon-red "eyes" on base of each petal and three-petalled white flowers
Bog Lily (Crinum americanum) long petals and fragrant flowers with lush
draping green leaves
Canna, Longwood (Canna hybrid) slender leaves with an abundance of flowers
Japanese Arrowhead (Sagittari japonica) smaller than ruby eye, green
pointed leaves and white blossoms
Red-stemmed Thalia (Thalia geniculata) bold leaves on red stems
Snowflake, White (Nymphoides cristata) fragrant white flowers in plentiful
clusters
Snowflake, Yellow (Nymphoides crenata) bright yellow flowers with brown
leaves
Society Garlic (Tulbagia violacea) lavender pink flowers that feel like
silk
Variegated, Canna (Canna americanallis variegata) large green leaves with
bold yellow and orange flowers
Variegated Spider Lily (Hymenocallis caribe variegata) similar to spider
lily with boldly striped foliage
- jqt -
Jan Jordan
>I even taught a Cabomba to do light vacumming 'round the house!
>
Yeah? Well, don't run for public office unless you're paying Income &
Social Security taxes for your Cabomba's services. ;o)
jan ~Keep 'em Wet~
Derek
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In article <3592643f...@reading.news.pipex.net>,
spi...@interlogic.co.uk wrote:
>
> On 24 Jun 1998 03:37:54 GMT, czm...@aol.com (Czmike) wrote:
>
> >...as you all have me constantly wondering how to make my pond bigger. I
could
> >make a big bog down hill, and a large, elevated pond up hill... course I'll
> >need to really rethink the pump situation and the veggie filter... and what
> >will DW say... and will the 2.5 tons or stone already there be enough or
will
> >I need to make more trips to the quarry...
> >
> the cleaned water up to the top pond. This way you could top the
> system up from your bath and washing machine.
>
> I did it.
>
>
> Steve Rodgers
So Steve - how on earth did you get the detergent out? I mean bubble bath
must make a helluva mess or a helluva clean pond, depending on which way you
look at it...
Tony.
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