Potted plants......how deep???
Go Mommi
doing something right!
I have horse tail that produced a few shoots, but is now drying up and dying.
I had it placed in the pond at water level, having put it on a shelf I made
from two plant pots and a flat rock. Should it have been placed deeper in the
pond?
I also have what I believe is water clover, but I'm really not sure what it's
called. It grows from a pot like a water lilly, and the clover-like leaves
grow up on long stems (like a lilly) and float on top of the water. I had it
placed about 18" deep. The original leaves slowly died off , it gave off one
new stem and leaf, and now its just a muddy pot. My water lilies are doing
great,(i have 3 new flower buds ready to bloom), so it's really a
disappointment that these two plants are so miserable.Can someone PLEEZ tell me
what I've done wrong, or suggest a site with such info? thanx!
Kthirty
Waterclover wants very shallow water up to 3-4 inches under water. Can go crazy
and take over...
Horsetail - plant takes some time to become established, as well as time to
adjust to planting in water, if it is not already adapted to aquatic culture.
Start it out in moist soil to adapt. In a year to two growth becomes
established and the plant assumes vigorous growth.
k30
who
managed
to kill
a waterclover
this year.
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DOWatDPG1
Did you receive the plants bareroot or already potted? At what depth were they
originally grown?
When you receive plants bareroot they should be potted up and placed no deeper
than the water line. If the tips begin to brown this is a good sign that the
plant is too deep. If you receive a plant from a friends pond, place it at
approximately the same depth as they had it.
Generally marginal plants should not be placed at ultimate depths deeper than 4
to 6 inches. Though some *mature* marginals do thrive at greater depths.
Both of the plants you metioned (water clover and horsetail rush) are fast
growers. Often these show new growth in an established pond in as little as
ten days (especially if the pond was warm and not coming out of winter
dormancy).
Raise both plants. As the horsetail recovers lower it again to a depth that
seems to work best for it (about 4-6 inches). The water clover as someone has
posted is an extremely PROLIFERATE GROWER. Raise it up as well and wait a bit
and see what happens.
Killing water plants is difficult if they are in the water :). So don't throw
anything out yet.
Good luck,
Dow WOW
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Kmam1
(Go Mommi) writes:
>I have horse tail that produced a few shoots, but is now drying up and dying.
>I had it placed in the pond at water level,
My horsetail did the same thing. I bot it froma nursury that was growing it in
a wet drip pan, so when I put it in the pond it nearly killed it. I dug it up
andput it in the bog and it has taken off and is doing really good.
My waterclover on the other hand, is a favorite of my fish. Especially my
black moor, he rips into it and shredds the leaves. It keeps putting out new
leaves, but it is getting slower at doing this, so I might move it to my veggie
filter to help it recover.
Karen
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~ WindSong ~
: Horsetail - plant takes some time to become established, as well as time
to
: adjust to planting in water, if it is not already adapted to aquatic
culture.
: Start it out in moist soil to adapt. In a year to two growth becomes
: established and the plant assumes vigorous growth.
:
: k30
My HT is 3 years old this summer is just about died out. And my zebra rush
has turned all green. My water lily's are not blooming... gripe,...
whine....
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Bonnie Espenshade
Go Mommi wrote:
> After waiting almost 2 months for my plants to grow, I kinda figure I'm not
> doing something right!
> I have horse tail that produced a few shoots, but is now drying up and dying.
> I had it placed in the pond at water level, having put it on a shelf I made
> from two plant pots and a flat rock. Should it have been placed deeper in the
> pond?
> I also have what I believe is water clover, but I'm really not sure what it's
> called. It grows from a pot like a water lilly, and the clover-like leaves
> grow up on long stems (like a lilly) and float on top of the water. I had it
> placed about 18" deep. The original leaves slowly died off , it gave off one
> new stem and leaf, and now its just a muddy pot. My water lilies are doing
> great,(i have 3 new flower buds ready to bloom), so it's really a
> disappointment that these two plants are so miserable.Can someone PLEEZ tell me
> what I've done wrong, or suggest a site with such info? thanx!
Hi,
I killed my horse tail last year. I found out afterwards that it should not have
been place in full sun. The water clover does best in shallow water - mine is
covered by only one inch of water. Hope this helps.
Bonnie
NJ
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Bonnie Espenshade
Cindy Scott
>I have horse tail that produced a few shoots, but is now drying up and dying.
>I had it placed in the pond at water level, having put it on a shelf I made
>from two plant pots and a flat rock. Should it have been placed deeper in the
>pond?
(snip)
When we bought our house in May 1997, the previous owner led me around
telling me what all the plants were in the vastly over planted flower
beds. One plant she only identify as "miniature bamboo." I thought,
"Doesn't look like bamboo, but OK." So, I spent a couple of days last
summer going to all the garden shops in town trying to find out how to
get rid of bamboo. The answer was basically, "You can't get rid of
bamboo, but you might try cutting it off and painting each cut with
stump remover." There was so much of this stuff that I just couldn't
see doing that so hubby sprayed it a couple of times with Roundup.
The stems that were sprayed died, but new shoots came up immediately.
It is now covering 3 times the area it covered 15 months ago.
While wondering around a nursery this summer, I discovered the
horsetail in their bog area. It is the same stuff that is growing in
my yard! Well, it isn't exactly growing in the yard. It is growing
in a xeriscape area that received only local rainfall for _at least_
two years (8-12")! Not only did it grow, it spread. This summer it
is getting the weekly back flush water from the 150 gal filter, and is
spreading at an astounding rate. It is even looking for new places to
grow. One long shoot has bent over and put up new shoots from each
joint -- right over the area that gets the most water! I'm waiting to
see if it will bend all the way to the ground and put down roots. Our
soil is mainly decomposed granite (high mountain desert) and drains
very slowly so I figure that 3-4 inches down, it stays fairly moist.
So, here's the experiment. I dug up a clump, potted it and placed the
pot in a tub with 1" of water. Every day for two weeks I added about
2 quarts of water until the crown was under about 2" of water. Then I
let it sit for 2 weeks. Then I washed the dirt off, potted it in 3/8"
gravel and stuck it in the pond. The same day I dug up another clump,
washed the roots, potted it the same way and stuck it in the pond.
Now I'm waiting to see if either or both clumps grow. Since it is so
late in the season, I figure it will be next Spring before I know for
sure.
Bottom line: If this experiment works I'll ship any of you a clump to
get you going next summer. I have the feeling I'll be able to dig up
all I want and still have this plant in the garden!<big grin>
Take care.....
Cindy
Albuquerque, USDA zone 5,
Sunset zone 10 [bordering 1]
Kthirty
Cindy ~
Interesting experiment!!
Miniature bamboo, indeed!!
k30
laurie
dry, sand, dirt, bog
anywhere. the previous owners of my neighbors house, loved the beach so much, that
they turned one of their
flower beds into a miniature beach, they even brought in horsetail rush with the
sand and planted it.
it took 7 years of weeding to get rid of the stuff, every spring the neighbor would
pay me 5 bucks for a day of digging in the flower bed to remove as much of the rush
as possible, finally we finally got enough of it out, one summer she didnt water
the flower bed all summer and that helped to kill off some of what we had already
hacked out.
nasty nasty stuff, wouldnt even chance putting it in my pond in my climate.
-laurie
Randy Pierce
laurie <tabb...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<35EC5E3C...@my-dejanews.com>...
> horsetail rush grows like a weed on the coast here (oregon) it can grow
anywhere,
climate.
>
> -laurie
>
laurie, I like the looks of it and wonder if it was planted in a 5 gal.
bucket would it not spread?
Randy in Aloha
Jan Jordan
Scott) wrote:
>Bottom line: If this experiment works I'll ship any of you a clump to
>get you going next summer. I have the feeling I'll be able to dig up
>all I want and still have this plant in the garden!<big grin>
>
Cindy,
We have this in our neighborhood. I consider it a major pest. My
neighbor has it in his yard and it wanted to visit my yard. A little
Brush-Be-Gone stopped it. So if you have an area where you would like
to get rid of this, yet no other plants around, use this stuff.
It's really ugly, imo, when it comes up thru people's ground covers &
spreading junipers.
~Keep 'em Wet!~
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Kmam1
<rjpi...@teleport.com> writes:
> I like the looks of it and wonder if it was planted in a 5 gal.
>bucket would it not spread?
can answer that, YES it will spread. The stalks break off and grow new ones
or they fall over and grow new ones or stick a stalk into another pot and grow
new ones. Get the jist <g>
Go Mommi
>We have this in our neighborhood. I consider it a major pest. My
>neighbor has it in his yard and it wanted to visit my yard.
Just a point of information, for anyone as naive as me, on plants that will
take over your yard. A few years back a neighbor asked if I would like some
mint plants. Since I have an Italian mother-in-law who uses mint in some of
her very delicious meals, I figured, "Sure! Mint would be something I could
use!" Well, this "lovely" mint took over the entire area of my vegetable
garden, choking out and stunting growth on those plants (particularly basil)
that I really needed to have more of. It took many years to "weed out" the
mint, and I still have to keep a check on that area, since it still sprouts up
every once-in-a-while. Be forewarned! (although it does smell nice!) :o}
GoMommi
Cindy Scott
>We have this in our neighborhood. I consider it a major pest. My
>neighbor has it in his yard and it wanted to visit my yard. A little
>Brush-Be-Gone stopped it. So if you have an area where you would like
>to get rid of this, yet no other plants around, use this stuff.
Hi Jan,
Thanks for the Brush-Be-Gone info. It is all by itself with weeds so
I can get rid of it that way. I've dug some out last summer and this
summer, but didn't make a dent. And yes, it is spreading rapidly in
the area where we don't want plants at all. It is certainly not
something I would _buy_ for the pond or yard. IMO, the previous owner
had some strange ideas about gardening. This horsetail rush is only
one of many problems in our yard and flower beds.
I am going to finish my experiment, and it is not near any other
plants, so will let you all know the outcome next spring. Outcome
being: (1) did both experimental plants work in the water, and (2) did
I get rid of it in the yard.<grin>
Cindy Scott
>Just a point of information, for anyone as naive as me, on plants that will
>take over your yard. A few years back a neighbor asked if I would like some
>mint plants. Since I have an Italian mother-in-law who uses mint in some of
>her very delicious meals, I figured, "Sure! Mint would be something I could
>use!" Well, this "lovely" mint took over the entire area of my vegetable
>garden, choking out and stunting growth on those plants (particularly basil)
>that I really needed to have more of. It took many years to "weed out" the
>mint, and I still have to keep a check on that area, since it still sprouts up
>every once-in-a-while. Be forewarned! (although it does smell nice!) :o}
I'me trying to deal with that also! Right now it is contained by
brick fence and brick patio on three sides. Just have to figure out
what to do about that 4th side or how to get rid of it completely.
Wonder if Brush-Be-Gone would work on mint.....
steve knight
>brick fence and brick patio on three sides. Just have to figure out
>what to do about that 4th side or how to get rid of it completely.
>Wonder if Brush-Be-Gone would work on mint.....
Crossbow is a far better herbicide. Mix it with roundup and man it
kills everything.
- Sure you can trust the government! Just ask an Indian!
laurie
what, but i dont have first hand experience.
-laurie
Randy Pierce wrote:
> laurie <tabb...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
> <35EC5E3C...@my-dejanews.com>...
> > horsetail rush grows like a weed on the coast here (oregon) it can grow
> anywhere,
> climate.
> >
> > -laurie
> >
> laurie, I like the looks of it and wonder if it was planted in a 5 gal.
> bucket would it not spread?
> Randy in Aloha
laurie
it, and it has something about it/in it that cuases other plants near it not to
grow well. very frustrating.
-laurie
Go Mommi wrote:
> Jan wrote:
>
> >We have this in our neighborhood. I consider it a major pest. My
> >neighbor has it in his yard and it wanted to visit my yard.
>
> Just a point of information, for anyone as naive as me, on plants that will
> take over your yard. A few years back a neighbor asked if I would like some
> mint plants. Since I have an Italian mother-in-law who uses mint in some of
> her very delicious meals, I figured, "Sure! Mint would be something I could
> use!" Well, this "lovely" mint took over the entire area of my vegetable
> garden, choking out and stunting growth on those plants (particularly basil)
> that I really needed to have more of. It took many years to "weed out" the
> mint, and I still have to keep a check on that area, since it still sprouts up
> every once-in-a-while. Be forewarned! (although it does smell nice!) :o}
>
> GoMommi
Windsong
Randy Pierce <rjpi...@teleport.com> wrote in article
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: : > horsetail rush grows like a weed on the coast here (oregon) it can
grow
: anywhere,
: climate.
: > ============================
And here in Tn. zone 6 I can barely keep it alive. Most has already died
out.
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Cindy Scott
wrote:
>And here in Tn. zone 6 I can barely keep it alive. Most has already died
>out.
Interesting. My sister lives in Nashville and was thrilled when she
finally got a little start of lamb's ear. Plant one in Albuquerque,
and it spreads like wildfire. Fortunately I like it and it is a good
ground cover to keep down tumbleweed growth!<grin>
Kyla
must spend millions of dollars a year to keep the horsetail rush from over
taking irrigation canals.
Kyla
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