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Tommy

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Jun 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/28/00
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I had a bird drown in my pond this past weekend. It's one of the
preformed jobs, so I guess he fell in trying to snag a bug or fish and
the sides were too slick to climb out.

Anyway, I thought it might stop this from happening again if I had some
sort of plant that grew over the edge to the water or from the water
over the edge. This would also hide the top part of the preform and
maybe make it look a little more natural.

Any ideas for plants that would be good for this?


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Kraftey

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I have lots of marginals around the edges... the pots are only an inch or so
under the water level. From there it's easy for a bird to pull itself together
and hop out. I've seen it happen dozens of times from an upstairs window. My
little heart stops every time! <grin> But I've never found a dead bird in
there. I have seen a frog go after one though! Yikes.


~~~~~~~waving! Joanie :o}

Nautical Wheeler's

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Jun 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/28/00
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I have several marginal plants along the edge of the pond that works as a
exit ramp for birds. I also have two types of plants that drape over the
edge. I have not decided which I like best. One is the chameleon plant and
the other dragon blood sedum. They both have drifted over the edge into the
pond. Both of these can be found at your local nursery.
Lisa

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Need4newone2

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I never had any birds die in our half barrel pond till this year. Must have
been a suicide thing or something. I had two blue jays die in there in one
night. that happened just this last week.

~ Windsong ~

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Tommy <tape...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Anyway, I thought it might stop this from happening again if I
had some
> sort of plant that grew over the edge to the water or from the
water
> over the edge. This would also hide the top part of the
preform and
> maybe make it look a little more natural.
> Any ideas for plants that would be good for this?
====================
I have some English Ivy growing over the rocks and into the
water. You can also plant a piece of driftwood in the pond for
birds to scrabble up on to leave the water should they fall in.
--
Carol...the frugal ponder
"Just remember...if the world didn't suck,
we'd all fall off."
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~ Windsong ~

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Can't you put something in there so it doesn't happen again?
They may have been very young birds that didn't know any better.
How about a plant with it's pot just under the water level, or a
nice bit of driftwood?
--
Carol...

Derek Broughton

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~ Windsong ~ wrote:
>
> I have some English Ivy growing over the rocks and into the
> water. You can also plant a piece of driftwood in the pond for
> birds to scrabble up on to leave the water should they fall in.


I have that, and various grasses growing from the outside and watercress
& parrotfeather that grow in the pond and climb out. Also, as Carol
suggested, the pots with their tops just under the surface are really
handy for frogs, birds AND mice (yes, I've drowned mice too...)
--
Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html

Sherrie

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Jun 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/29/00
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Can any kind of log work or are there some that are poisonous? I
don't have any driftwood, just small logs from the woods. I think
they look nice in a pond.

Lynnae

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Jun 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/30/00
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Sherrie wrote:
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> Can any kind of log work or are there some that are poisonous? I
> don't have any driftwood, just small logs from the woods. I think
> they look nice in a pond.

i have tucked a few pieces in here and there with no problems. i choose
dead logs where all of the soft outer wood and bark has rotted off or
has been eaten by the 'bugs', nothing is left but the solid core. my
body of water is larger than most ponds tho, and i can get away with
some things that small ponds might not be able to. you can prop them
just so, so that they aren't totally submerged in the water tho and get
the same effect.

lynnae

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Bullfrog Ed

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Jun 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/30/00
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In and around the pond.

With a little thought, planning and planting of the right plants in the
right place, watergardens can provide year-round visual appeal and
beauty. the number of plant options is as endless as the palette of
changing seasonal colors, size, height, growth patterns and even in the
nonsensical entertainment valve of their names. Creeping Junipers,
Sargent Crabapple, Red-Twigged Dogwoods, Dwarf Lilacs, Compact Burning
Bush, Japanese Blood Grass, Evergreen Candytuft and Soapwort offer
extraordinarily low maintenance landscaping with handsome returns on
scenic value and investment.

Now that you have built your ultimate water feature how are you
going to landscape it? The waterfall and pond require minimal
maintenance, so why not landscape the pond the same way? By choosing
plants that grow to the size required for the area and by planting those
that are hardy and site specific, you virtually eliminate the need for
maintenance on your landscape. The idea of a low-maintenance water
garden along with a low-maintenance landscape is what will appeal to
you.

There are three main factors to consider when choosing terrestrial
plants for the landscape. Use plants that look natural. You did not
create a natural-looking water garden to plant formally trimmed Yews and
Boxwoods next to it.

Next, remember your views. You angled your BIOFALLS and the ensuing
waterfalls to face a certain viewing point. If an oversized shrub is
planted in the line with the view of the waterfall, you have defeated
the purpose of angling the BIOFALLs a particular way. Finally, choose a
plant that is in scale with its surroundings. Do not attempt to plant a
tree or shrub that will dwarf your pond. Instead, choose a small tree
like a Serviceberry or an Amur Maple to keep the plant in scale with
your pond. All of these seem like simple principles to follow, but many
people overlook them.

Landscaping Around Your BIOFALLS

One of the top questions asked by installation customers is " How do I
hide the BIOFALLS?" What you definitely do not want to do is place a
large piece of stone on top of it. This will make the water appear to be
coming out of a man-made spillway. You want the water to look like it is
flowing up from an underground spring. Our BIOFALLS is constructed with
a built-in rock ledge, which allows you to place boulders of varying
shapes and sizes on it to hide the plastic tub. We also recommend
placing floating water plants such as Water Hyacinth and Water Lettuce
inside the BIOFALLS. This will camouflage it a little bit, but you will
have to be more creative than that. If you are lucky enough to live near
a wooded area venture out into the woods and look for interesting logs
that you can use to naturalize the BIOFALLS and pond. Find a log that
can sit on one edge and place it to span across the BIOFALLS like it was
always there.

Landscaping behind the BIOFALLS is another challenge that many
people face. The most natural way is to gradually taper your berm out
the surrounding grade. This will allow you a larger area to landscape.
If you do not have a large area to work with, you will need to build a
retaining wall. The optimal retaining wall should be build out of the
same stone that was used in the pond so all of the components will go
together. Using concrete-block type retaining wall near your pond goes
against the idea of making the pond look natural. Unless the surrounding
areas have concrete pavers or interlocking retaining wall blocks nearby,
try to keep it natural by using natural materials.

To further soften and take the emphasis off the wall, plant it with
rock garden type plants such as Sweet Woodruff (Galium odoratum),
Evergreen Candytuft (Iberis sempervirens), Rockcress (Aubretia spp.),
Carpathian Bellflowers (Campanula carpatica) and Soapwort (Saponaria
ocymoides). Tuck these plants in the nooks, crannies and voids of the
rock wall in order to camouflage the boulders. Rock garden type plants
will live where there tends to be little soil and moisture available.
Most of these plants have a prostrate and draping growing habit and will
grow along and hang over the rocks.

Naturalizing Your Waterfalls

The pond and waterfalls will more than likely be the main focal
point of the yard, not the surrounding landscaping. Use the surrounding
hardscaping and softscaping to complement your pond and waterfall.
One of the best ways to landscape near a waterfall is to have a
dwarf, fine-textured plant like Japanese Maple (Acer palmatum) or
Cutleaf Staghorn Sumac (Rhus typhina ' Lacinata') planted near the edge,
and hanging over the side. Planting small trees such as these will allow
you to frame the waterfall and create a focal point.

One of the most beautiful ways to naturalize the stones that are
around your waterfalls area is to plant them with moss. Most moss
species thrive in an area that is constantly damp and shaded. As long as
you have ample shade covering the waterfall area, the moss you place on
the rocks will do well. The stones that are near your waterfall are
always being splashed, so try planting moss on them. Most mosses can
live in many of the drier parts of the country as long as they have the
other key ingredient-shade. You can harvest the mosses from a nearby
wooded area. Simply place the moss on the moist rocks.

Disguising the Pond Edge

The 'Aquascape' edge treatment of a pond, which definitely has come
a long way since the ring-of-pearls flagstone look, will still need to
be landscaped after completing the pond. The 'cold' look of the rocks
and gravel next to the pond can be warmed up with an endless variety of
plants. Some of the best plants to cover the pond's edge can be planted
right next to the liner, allowing them to creep over the rocks and
gravel.
In a sunny area, many varieties of Creeping Junipers (Juniperus
spp.) are an excellent choice for a plant that will grow over the rocks
and hide the edge of the pond. If you are looking for a similar,
low-growing plant that will work well in the shade, look no further than
the Siberian Cypress (Microbiota decussata). This creeping evergreen
grows fairly low to the ground and turns a beautiful bronze color in the
winter.
In the shade, Hostas make a great plant to put near the pond's edge,
contrasting well with the grass-like water plants such as Iris and Sege.
The thousands of leaf colors, shapes, and varieties make an excellent
choice and one of the most versatile plants for a pond in the shade.
Gro-Low Sumac (Rhus aromatica 'Gro-Low') is a plant that can adapt
to a variety of habitats. This low growing shrub has a beautiful
orange-red fall color. It will not only creep along the ground, but it
will also root wherever it touches to hold soil and stabilize slopes.
This is one of the perfect plants for you to plant on a slope next to
the pond edge.
Many of the low growing varieties of Cotoneaster (Cotoneaster spp.)
offer a fine texture in leaf and in branch for the pond edge. Some have
beautiful fall color, while others offer bright red berries, and yet
many of them offer both. The best variety of Cotoneaster for the edge is
n newer variety called 'Hess' (Cotoneaster x 'Hessei'). this very fine
textured plant grows only 18" high and is very durable on the rocks at
the pond edge.
In my opinion, the shaded ponds and gardens offer the lushest and
most appealing landscapes. Most plants that will grow in shade will
offer the most hues of green and many beautiful leaf shapes. One
excellent type of plant to hide the edge of the pond in the shade are
ferns. The many varieties of ferns will colonize and arch over the rocks
and gravel. These colonies of ferns offer a very lush and natural look
to the pond.

Landscaping the "Other Side"

If you are fortune enough to have a pond with a beautifully wooded
backdrop, you have some of the more aesthetically pleasing options for
landscaping ponds. In the northern part of the country, try planting
Northern Lights Azaleas (Rhododendron 'Northern Lights') or a Korean
Azalea (Rhododendron poukhanense) in the backdrop. The early spring
flowers reflecting off the water can be a breathtaking sight.
If the area does not have a natural backdrop, consider planting some
larger shrubs and small clump-type trees to create one yourself. Many of
the Viburnum species will offer you the necessary size and will reward
you with year round interests. Most Viburnums have colorful fruit, a
beautiful habit, and dazzling fall colors to offer. Other plants which
offer a backdrop to the pond are Red-Twigged Dogwoods, Dwarf Lilacs and
Compact Burning Bush, to name a few. Most of the ornamental grasses are
also suitable plants for landscaping the back-drop of the pond.

Happy Ponding,
BullfrogEd
http://www.pondguys.com


Tommy wrote:
>
> I had a bird drown in my pond this past weekend. It's one of the
> preformed jobs, so I guess he fell in trying to snag a bug or fish and
> the sides were too slick to climb out.
>

> Anyway, I thought it might stop this from happening again if I had some
> sort of plant that grew over the edge to the water or from the water
> over the edge. This would also hide the top part of the preform and
> maybe make it look a little more natural.
>
> Any ideas for plants that would be good for this?
>

donna rice

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Jun 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/30/00
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A friend has creeping jenny around her pond, that overhangs into the
water. It looks very nice, in fact, I'm gonna go snitch some from her
for my pond!


DONNA

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Tina Underwood

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Jul 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/1/00
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>A friend has creeping jenny around her pond, that overhangs into the
>water. It looks very nice, in fact, I'm gonna go snitch some from her
>for my pond!

While digging out my overgrown garden to put in the new pond I found a bunch
of creeping jenny I didn't know I had! It looks great on the edge of the pond!

~Tina
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