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Coolride

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Aug 7, 1994, 2:06:02 PM8/7/94
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Best Camera For Under $200?

In about a week or two I want to purchase a point & shoot camera for under
$200. The features I am looking for are: Red Eye Reduction (does this
work well?), Time/Date Stamp, Zoom Lens, and Auto Load/Rewind. Are there
any other features I should look for? Is there a brand I should stick
with (Canon, Minolta, Pentax, Olympus, etc.). Are there any I should
avoid?

In your opinion which is the best camera for under $200? Tell me the best
price you have seen and where, if possible.

Feel free to debate each others opinions.

Any info will be greatly appreciated!

BTW-If possible could you forward your opinion to my e-mail? I might
forget where I put this post ;-)

Thanks,
Mike

Robert Schmidt

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Aug 9, 1994, 3:11:56 AM8/9/94
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In article <3237qa$g...@search01.news.aol.com>, cool...@aol.com (Coolride)
wrote:

> Best Camera For Under $200?
>
> In about a week or two I want to purchase a point & shoot camera for under
> $200. The features I am looking for are: Red Eye Reduction (does this
> work well?), Time/Date Stamp, Zoom Lens, and Auto Load/Rewind. Are there
> any other features I should look for? Is there a brand I should stick
> with (Canon, Minolta, Pentax, Olympus, etc.). Are there any I should
> avoid?
>
> In your opinion which is the best camera for under $200? Tell me the best
> price you have seen and where, if possible.
>

I have recently returned from a trip out west with the Nikon Litetouch.
The camera is superb and served my purposes wonderfully. The optics are
very high quality producing beautiful slides and prints.

This camera doesn't fit your specs. It has a 28mm lens, and I'm not sure
if its available with the time/date stamp. I suspect optical quality is
inevitably sacrificed with a zoom lens and who wants fuzzy snaps dammit.
I have had a zoom lens on my SLR for over ten years and it was really
enjoyable not to have to do anything but point, depress shutter release
halfway on focus object, reframe and snap. Who wants to zoom anyway?

The biggest advantage of this camera was its small size - like a stuffed
wallet or say two packs of cards and it weighs 7oz. I took it with me in
my shorts pockets everywhere. The camera's size allowed me to take photos
I never would have in the past simply because I actually had it with me.

The 28mm lens gives a drama to landscapes and a slightly crazed distortion
to portraits (making people seem far more interesting than they really
are). A great way to photograph someone is to have their head very close
and a panoramic landscape spreading out behind.

The camera has a slow sinc flash mode which allowed me to take some
fascinating and beatiful portaits of people fully lit with sunsets,
silhouetted mountains, campfires etc. properly exposed in the background.

What it didn't do well was take closeups of the amazing wildflowers out
west. So you see I really did want to zoom but I got over it.

B+H sold me the camera with a lithium battery, and a useful pleather case
with a belt loop (I carried it on my chalk bag belt while climbing) all
for the near rock bottom price of $135.

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Robert E Klimkiewicz

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Aug 9, 1994, 9:36:29 AM8/9/94
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Robert Schmidt (rsch...@panix.com) wrote:
: In article <3237qa$g...@search01.news.aol.com>, cool...@aol.com (Coolride)
: wrote:

: > Best Camera For Under $200?
: >
: > In about a week or two I want to purchase a point & shoot camera for under
: > $200. The features I am looking for are: Red Eye Reduction (does this
: > work well?), Time/Date Stamp, Zoom Lens, and Auto Load/Rewind. Are there
: > any other features I should look for? Is there a brand I should stick
: > with (Canon, Minolta, Pentax, Olympus, etc.). Are there any I should
: > avoid?

: I have recently returned from a trip out west with the Nikon Litetouch.

: The camera is superb and served my purposes wonderfully. The optics are
: very high quality producing beautiful slides and prints.

Nikon also has a Lite*Touch Zoom with a 35-70 and the QD version has the
panorama feature. It takes really nice pictures. The Olympus Stylus
Zoom is around the same price and is weatherproof and has a better
protector for the lens (just a piece of glass like a filter on the
Lite*Touch Zoom).

: B+H sold me the camera with a lithium battery, and a useful pleather case


: with a belt loop (I carried it on my chalk bag belt while climbing) all
: for the near rock bottom price of $135.

Local Ritz Camera has it for $129 and $10 gets you the "pleather" case. :)

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Paul Rubin

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Aug 9, 1994, 6:56:58 PM8/9/94
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In article <3280ot$d...@portal.gmu.edu>,

Robert E Klimkiewicz <rkli...@mason1.gmu.edu> wrote:
>Nikon also has a Lite*Touch Zoom with a 35-70 and the QD version has the
>panorama feature. It takes really nice pictures. The Olympus Stylus
>Zoom is around the same price and is weatherproof and has a better
>protector for the lens (just a piece of glass like a filter on the
>Lite*Touch Zoom).

Have you seen the Lite Touch zoom? Is it true that it has a 4 element
lens? Nikon's ad in Reponses Photo (French mag) says so, but that
sounds like an error.

I haven't tried the Stylus Zoom, but the lens protector on the Stylus
non-zoom
1) hangs up on your pocket as you pull out your camera, and
2) mechanically activates some other camera functions when you open it,
the result being that you can break the camera by opening the lens cover
too quickly (like when it hangs up on your pocket while you are pulling
out the camera).

Jerry Grooms

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Aug 10, 1994, 9:12:12 AM8/10/94
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In article <phrCuA...@netcom.com> p...@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

> Have you seen the Lite Touch zoom? Is it true that it has a 4 element
> lens? Nikon's ad in Reponses Photo (French mag) says so, but that
> sounds like an error.

Don't know about the 4 element lens, but my local Service Merch. had
the Nikon LiteTouch Zoom for 189.95.

Don't know why, but several people on CIS's Photo Forum had very
negative things to say about the Lite Touch - something about the
quality of the lens?

You should be able to get the Konica Big Mini zoom for under $200.
with the $15 manuf. rebate. I got the non-zoom model for $50 less
with a $10 rebate.

Jason Chen

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Aug 10, 1994, 1:39:18 PM8/10/94
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All p&s with a zoom suffer from the speed of the lens, and often the
quality of the image. If you are willing to trad zoom for quality,
you should look at Leica mini II. Adorama is selling them for $185 with a
QD back. A great deal for a Leica! I just ordered one.

Jason Chen

Quang-Tuan Luong

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Aug 10, 1994, 4:47:07 PM8/10/94
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In article <GROOMS.94A...@f16.facts.uky.edu>, gro...@f16.facts.uky.edu (Jerry Grooms) writes:

|> Don't know why, but several people on CIS's Photo Forum had very
|> negative things to say about the Lite Touch - something about the
|> quality of the lens?

Was this about the Lite Touch or the Lite Touch Zoom ?
I'd be very interested in hearing these comments, since I was
thinking about getting one (to replace my lost T4).

The T4 have better specs:

T4 Lite-Touch
shutter 1s-1/750 1/4-1/250
AF zones 160 110
iso 50-3200 100-1000
lens Tessar/3.5 unknown/3.5

The Lite-Touch is even smaller, has a 28mm lens, and I suspect that
the limited top speed of 1/250 will cause it to stop down the lens
more often than the T4, which is a benefit. I've generally heard
that optics are fine.

Tuan.


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Oleg Volk

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Aug 10, 1994, 11:17:44 PM8/10/94
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I have suggested Yashica T4. Today i looked at one(vs. tech info) and found
that it is great except for one _important_ oversight--flash off mode
doean't seem to exist on it(unless i missed it, which i doubt)
That makes the T4 less useful, IMO.

Michael Schuster

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Aug 11, 1994, 8:44:12 AM8/11/94
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In article <86459.v...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>,


You missed it.

There definitely is a flash setting which turns it off. I use it all the
time.

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Jerry Grooms

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Aug 11, 1994, 6:34:34 AM8/11/94
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RE: Yashica T4

In article <32d6es$m...@panix3.panix.com> schu...@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:
> You missed it.

> There definitely is a flash setting which turns it off. I use it all the
> time.

Does it "reset" after every shot?

Michael Schuster

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Aug 11, 1994, 11:17:18 AM8/11/94
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In article <GROOMS.94A...@f16.facts.uky.edu>,

Yes [sigh].

F. Xia

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Aug 11, 1994, 2:19:20 PM8/11/94
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How many focusing steps does this camera have? Also,
where is it made of? I wonder how many of those $$$
go to pay for the prestige of having that little red
disk on the front of the camera. If it's comparable
in performance to the Japanese models of similar
price I'd definitely go for it! Incidentally, this
p&s is being offered for free here in the UK for
anyone buying the R7 or the R6.2. Probably an
alternative offer for a free 50/2.0 lens would be
better.

fei xia

Matt Nelson

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Aug 11, 1994, 11:07:30 AM8/11/94
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"Oleg Volk" <volo...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:

it does has a flash-off mode. press the mode button till you get a little
moon in the display (or is it a star?). they call it an 'available light'
mode. same thing. it's got a second one, too, if you count infinity-lock.

Jason Chen

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Aug 11, 1994, 2:47:47 PM8/11/94
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In article <1994Aug11....@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>, ude...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk (F. Xia) writes:
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=> In article <32b3c6$8...@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com>, jc...@uswest.com (Jason Chen) writes:
=> > All p&s with a zoom suffer from the speed of the lens, and often the
=> > quality of the image. If you are willing to trad zoom for quality,
=> > you should look at Leica mini II. Adorama is selling them for $185 with a
=> > QD back. A great deal for a Leica! I just ordered one.
=> >
=> How many focusing steps does this camera have? Also,
=> where is it made of? I wonder how many of those $$$
=> go to pay for the prestige of having that little red
=> disk on the front of the camera. If it's comparable
=> in performance to the Japanese models of similar
=> price I'd definitely go for it! Incidentally, this
=> p&s is being offered for free here in the UK for
=> anyone buying the R7 or the R6.2. Probably an
=> alternative offer for a free 50/2.0 lens would be
=> better.
=>
Since I have not received the the camera, I can't not tell you if
I spent too much to buy the Leica logo. But I have every confidence
in the legendary Leica Elmar line.

The first thing I would do after I get the camera (expected this weekend)
is to comare it to my EF 28-70II on 630. As a reference, I have in the past
bought two other P&S as gifts: one was Nikon light touch, and the other
as Olymous SZ-3000 (which claims 200+ focusing steps). I was very
disappointed with either one of them. The pictures came out not sharp
at all, and often with inaccurate exposures. I believe that Leica will
vigorously maintain the reputation of their name, even for P&S.

Jason Chen

Jennifer R Linrud

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Aug 11, 1994, 1:36:53 PM8/11/94
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Jason Chen (jc...@uswest.com) wrote:
: All p&s with a zoom suffer from the speed of the lens, and often the

: quality of the image. If you are willing to trad zoom for quality,
: you should look at Leica mini II. Adorama is selling them for $185 with a
: QD back. A great deal for a Leica! I just ordered one.

I read in Pop Photo that the Leica Mini and the Konica Big Mini are, in
effect, the same camera. Their controls are identical, but Leica said
its version had better specs. Konica makes both, I believe.

J Edward Bell

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Aug 12, 1994, 10:15:15 AM8/12/94
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In article <86459.v...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> <ol...@attic.mcad.edu> writes:
>I have suggested Yashica T4. Today i looked at one(vs. tech info) and found
>that it is great except for one _important_ oversight--flash off mode
>doean't seem to exist on it(unless i missed it, which i doubt)

I have one, and I am almost positive that it has a way to turn the flash off.
Can't remember the little icon for it, but I am sure it's there.

The optics on this little thing are truly stunning.

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Jimros

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Aug 14, 1994, 10:17:02 PM8/14/94
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The Leica is made by Mitsushita. It only has 19 focusing zones and a poor
viewfinder. Basically, it is not worth the money. If a single focal length
camera is what you want, look at the Yashica T4 with an excellent
viewfinder, 160 focusing steps and an excellent Zeiss designed lens.

Herbert Kanner

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Aug 18, 1994, 2:37:27 PM8/18/94
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"Oleg Volk" <volo...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:

Wrong! The T4 does have a flash-off mode. The symbol for it is a
crescent moon with a star inside the crescent; this suggests a night
picture.

I own a T4 and I have used the flash-off mode for night pictures of a
city with the camera on a tripod and the self-timer used to prevent
shake.

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