Senior Portraits
Jon Potter
I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
things.
Thank You
Jonathan Potter
if reply by e-mail: pic...@hempseed.com
2-Nah
Let's summarize. You never have done a portrait before but you told someone that
you would their senior portrait. That's cold...that's ruthless. Some people
consider their senior portraits pretty serious and here you are asking people in
a newsgroup how to do one. Do the right thing and take her to a good
professional.
Janis Foley
Jon Potter wrote:
> I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
>
> do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
> what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
> things.
> Thank You
> Jonathan Potter
>
> if reply by e-mail: pic...@hempseed.com
Hi Jon!
Well... working as a photographer and working at a lab - I've seen a lot
of people use 35mm cameras for serious portrait work... Like
weddings!!! I was a little surprised because I've heard so many people
"snub" 35mm for weddings... in any case... I've used Kodak Royal Gold
for portraits and so have a lot of other photographers I know... I think
maybe if you're unsure about what you're doing - perhaps do a trial run
- like a dress rehearsal! And look at yearbooks and magazines to get
ideas... Don't focus too much on the fancy filters and all that - use
them sparingly! Maybe use a soft focus filter for a few of the shots...
Bring a few rolls of film - maybe bring a roll of black & white film
too! Are you picking up the cost or is she paying you? This will
determine how much practice you get to have! :-)
Good Luck!
Janis
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Colyn Goodson
On Sun, 17 May 1998 01:15:53 -0500, 2-Nah <we...@flash.net> wrote:
>Let's summarize. You never have done a portrait before but you told someone that
>you would their senior portrait. That's cold...that's ruthless. Some people
>consider their senior portraits pretty serious and here you are asking people in
>a newsgroup how to do one. Do the right thing and take her to a good
>professional.
>
>
One of the purposes of the rec photo news groups is to ask how to
questions. If you don't ask, how do you expect someone to learn..
Colyn Goodson
>I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
>do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
>what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
>things.
>Thank You
>Jonathan Potter
>
>if reply by e-mail: pic...@hempseed.com
For starters, use only a soft focus filter since you will be
photographing a young woman.. My personal taste in films would be Fuji
films.. Try Superia.. Do some test shots before doing the real thing..
Remember, always focus on her eyes..
Jon Potter
2-Nah wrote:
>
> Let's summarize. You never have done a portrait before but you told someone that
> you would their senior portrait. That's cold...that's ruthless. Some people
> consider their senior portraits pretty serious and here you are asking people in
> a newsgroup how to do one. Do the right thing and take her to a good
> professional.
>
Well, i'm not that cold, there not until next year (so i have some time
to work on it), and i just offered. and i'm only charging for
materials. oh and by the way i'm a high school student, so i know what
senior portraits mean.
Jonathan Potter
Jon Potter
Hello Janis, i have a question for you, i went to the Foley Image Works
homepage, and i was just wondering, why would you want to hand-tint your
black and whites?
Allen Greenky
Jon Potter wrote:
>
> I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
> do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
> what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
> things.
A senior portrait is just a portrait of a highschool kid who happens to
be graduating soon. However, many photographers have discovered that
photographing these subjects in a manner simular to model portfolios was
a way to creating interest and sales.
Sportz Photography
In article <355F96...@hempseed.com>, nospam...@hempseed.com says...
>Well, i'm not that cold, there not until next year (so i have some time
>to work on it), and i just offered. and i'm only charging for
>materials. oh and by the way i'm a high school student, so i know what
>senior portraits mean.
Jonathan, I think the original reply was a bit abrasive, but perhaps
good intentioned. Also sounds like you're trying to be a good friend
and learn something in the process. If your friend is on a budgetr,
and can't afford a professional photographer, there is no reason you
can't try to help. If you like, e-mail me with any specific questions,
and I'll be glad to help. Remove the know_spam to e-mail me.
Good luck.
Phil Vouers
Jon
If you haven't done a senior portrait.. you won't be an expert in a year
either. First of all most seniors will require a certain amount of
retouching and most professional labs will not touch 35mm so that means
going to digital.. and digital still isn't there yet when you start to look
at enlargements.
If you are insistent on ruining your x-friends senior portraits then shoot
them more like you would shoot a model.. but don't forget a couple of old
standards for mom and dad.. they won't like the model stuff and most seniors
will use wallets for resumes they send out for work or schools.
Cost doesn't matter for as an analogy if you shoot a friends wedding and
only charge them what it cost.. are you doing them a service when the film
doesn't turn out.
If you want to do it the right way then you must take the time to learn,
find a professional to train you, and have supervision when you shoot your
first and possibly second shoots solo. If you can't do that then tell your
friend to go to a professional and you will take some extra shots for them,
that way you know for sure your friend will still be your friend when your
done.
Phil Vouers
Professional Photographer
Photography By Gooch's....(715)424-4462
ph...@goochs.com
Janis Foley wrote in message
<355EF00B...@cx30186-a.dt1.sdca.home.com>...
>Jon Potter wrote:
>
>> I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
>>
>> do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
>> what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
>> things.
>> Thank You
>> Jonathan Potter
>>
>> if reply by e-mail: pic...@hempseed.com
>
Jon Potter
Okay i get it i should take her to a pro, but i just thouhgt, well maybe
i could do it and see what i can do for her, i'm not a complete moron i
know my stuff and can hold my own. so please do not reply if you are
not going to give me any helpful tips (telling me to send her to a pro
is not helpful) and don't tell me that 35mm is to hard to retouch, i
know a couple studio photogs that use 35mm. and not everything needs to
be retouched, there are some that know how to control the camera and can
actually get a good shot on the first try, isn't that what photography
is about, getting the perfect shot?
Jon Potter
Paul Ward
In article <3560B2...@hempseed.com>, nospam...@hempseed.com says...
please everyone. I suggest taking some test shots of her first and let her see if she
likes them enough to make the final decision. It wouldn't hurt and it will be great
practice!
After all, the last time I made a photo update announcement on this newsgroup, one guy
complained about the lack of different backgrounds and it was a paying job that the
customer was happy with. Work to please your customers not your peers. After all your
peers will not be the ones paying you in the future ;)
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>>
> One of the purposes of the rec photo news groups is to ask how to
>questions. If you don't ask, how do you expect someone to learn..
Hooray for a helpful person! Jeez, jumping down someone's throat like that who
was simply doing a friend a favor? Maybe they can't AFFORD a pro photog?
Carbon Unit
Hey bonehead, listen up, damnit. What is really important here is that she gets
a good picture. I don't think you can deliver on that. Smart asses come in this
newsgroup all the time wanting to know how to get a certain result on a
particular shot. You have no idea how long it would take to type the information
necessary for you to even begin to comprehend the concept of a high quality
portrait.
Right now the portrait industry is at an all time low. One of the reasons is
that quality has drop a great deal due to morons who quit their day job and buy
a 35mm and an umbrella and work at a price that undercuts the whole market. They
end up being great salesman and lousy photographers.
If you want to experiment with portraits go ahead. Don't do it at the expense of
your friend. You want to be a photographer? Go to school and study and work as
an assistant for awhile. Now stop your crying and go read a book. I was eating
rats in a tiger cage, guarded by a gook when I was your age.
Marcy Merrill
Jon; I feel you've offered your friend something very special. You'll learn
a lot from the experience also. I photograph many senior portraits during
the year. I try to get a variety of images. Let your friend come up with as
many ideas as possible, then narrow them down to a few. I try to do some
studio shots and some location stuff. In the area where I live, I photograph
a lot of seniors with their pets. "Pets" being horses and dogs. Last month I
had a request for a senior portrait session with the senior's candle
collection- turned out really cool! What I'm saying is try to be creative.
(By the way, 35mm won't slow you down one bit!) -Marcy
http://www.merrillphoto.com
Jon Potter wrote in message <355E6A...@hempseed.com>...
Jon Potter
Whos crying, i asked for some help, sounds like you need to do the
same. I'm not looking for a miracle, i know how to shoot, and i'm good
at it. I know lighting, i know how to get my shots, i didn't ask for you
to some down on me for trying to do a friend a favor. But it seems that
there are actually some nice people that are willing to actually help
someone who is starting out. and to finish it all off, i ask again,
please don't post anything about how stupid i am for doing this, i
didn't mean to cause a stir and i just want to help someone out.
Jon Potter
A wise man once said:
"Clicking with people is more important than clicking the
shutter." - Alfred Eisenstaedt Paul Ward wrote:
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
this may be a long one. (oh and I'm english and have no idea what a
senior portrait is, but presume its something to do with that prom thing
you have)
first off shoot lots of film of the person concerned, laugh, joke about
it, one of the most important things will to be establishing a rapport
with your subject, long before the event.
Secondly you have to look confident and as if you know what you're doing
at all times, if you faff around with the camera, the subject is going
to panic look nervous and that'll be it.
About film, I would go for fuji reala for an iso 100 film, as I find
that most of the films on the market pump up the reds to give brighter
images, but this does tend to result in cheeks looking a little too
flushed.
As you have a fair amount of time, practise with a variety of films, you
might find that myself and all of the other posters are completely wrong
about film choice as it is always up to the photographer to find out
what he/she prefers.
Do not worry about equipment at all, I would suggest a 50mm lens and if
you can afford it, a short telephoto, (about 85 mm), I'd stick to prime
lenses since they encourage you to move your feet, and zooms give the
photographer a tendancy to rack the lens backwards and forward rather
than thinking about the composition.
About Lighting:
This may seem really stupid, but use your eyes without holding the
camera to your face. Always keep in your mind that the film cannot
accept such a great a range of contrast as the human eye. So in practise
this means that you look at the subject intensely without holding the
camera, notice the way shadows fall under their eyes, ask them to move
their head slightly and look at the angle of shadow across their nose,
just moving a fraction of a centimetre can make a phenomenal difference.
e.g. if the light is from above above and they raise their chin
slightly, then highlights appear in their eyes, whereas if they have
their chin down, the shadows caused by the eyebrows hide any sparkle and
interaction with the camera.
Also notice how hard and sharp some shadows can be, observe how on a
sunny day, the harsh shadows can pick out every spot and pore on a
person's skin, yet look at the same person in a room, where the window
is covered by a net curtain, and the shadows become softer, any flaws in
the skin less visible.
(notice how we as humans think candlelight is soft and romantic, yet on
film we see how harsh and deep the shadows really are)
Too many people get caught in the trap of thinking that if they had a
certain camera or lens they would produce better images.
Light rather than equipment is the magic ingredient for all images,
firstly you should take a few months, looking, taking pictures and
examining the results, once you understand the flow and form of light in
normal ambient conditions you can then apply that principle to flash,
where the only real difference is in the method of producing the light.
If you get the light right, the interaction between yourself and the
subject will produce all that you need.
and to end, I'll tell you a story :
in a small quaint village in hampshire, lives a little old lady in her
seventies called jane bown. When she started in photography she used an
old twin lens reflex camera with a fixed lens and as the the years
progressed she eventually got herself two olympus slr's with no
motordrives and 50mm and 85mm lenses, which she carries around in a
plastic shopping bag (I met her once a few years ago). Now what you may
find surprising is that she had her first picture published in the
observer newspaper 1949 (one of the most respected in england) and still
works for them now. After almost fifty years she has outlasted every
editor, picture editor and member of staff on the paper. She never uses
flash, all she does is turn up, looks at the light, whips her camera out
of her shopping bag (or in one case a wicker basket full of mushrooms
that she picked on the way to the assignment) and concentrates on the
subject.
Please feel free to email me. May I also suggest you sign up for the
photoforum mailing list ? there seems to be less flaming, irrelevant posting,
and more helpful advice.
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Fiance6871
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Senior Portraits
>From: Carbon Unit <we...@flash.net>
>Date: Mon, May 18, 1998 19:17 EDT
>Message-id: <3560C18D...@flash.net>
>
>Hey bonehead, listen up, damnit. What is really important here is that she
>gets
>a good picture. I don't think you can deliver on that. Smart asses come in
>this
>newsgroup all the time wanting to know how to get a certain result on a
>particular shot.
Jeez.... sounds like someone is bitter- and no doubt unemployed LOL
>You have no idea how long it would take to type the information
>necessary for you to even begin to comprehend the concept of a high quality
>portrait.
>Right now the portrait industry is at an all time low. One of the reasons is
>that quality has drop a great deal due to morons who quit their day job and
>buy
>a 35mm and an umbrella and work at a price that undercuts the whole market.
>They
>end up being great salesman and lousy photographers.
>If you want to experiment with portraits go ahead. Don't do it at the expense
>of
>your friend. You want to be a photographer? Go to school and study and work
>as
>an assistant for awhile. Now stop your crying and go read a book. I was
>eating
>rats in a tiger cage, guarded by a gook when I was your age.
>
>Jon Potter wrote:
>
>> Okay i get it i should take her to a pro, but i just thouhgt, well maybe
>> i could do it and see what i can do for her, i'm not a complete moron i
>> know my stuff and can hold my own. so please do not reply if you are
>> not going to give me any helpful tips (telling me to send her to a pro
>> is not helpful) and don't tell me that 35mm is to hard to retouch, i
>> know a couple studio photogs that use 35mm. and not everything needs to
>> be retouched, there are some that know how to control the camera and can
>> actually get a good shot on the first try, isn't that what photography
>> is about, getting the perfect shot?
>>
>> Jon Potter
>>
>> Jon Potter wrote:
>> >
>> > I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
>> > do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
>> > what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
>> > things.
>> > Thank You
>> > Jonathan Potter
>> >
Potter, Potter.... ah, yes- from "It's A Wonderful Life", the Frank Capra
movie! I think Jimmy Stewart said it best when HE told Potter: "You're nothing
but a warped, frustrated old man!"
Get a life, Jonathan- this newsgroup is for helping others in the area of
photography. I wish I had had it when I was starting out, because there are
some great people on here. You, on the other hand, bring the average down
considerably with your vitriol.
Fiance6871
My Bad! The last post wasn't directed at Jonathan Potter, but Carbon Unit....
screwed up on that one! Now curmudgeony Carbon will no doubt feel justified in
his angry response post :)
Sorry!
Colyn Goodson
>Whos crying, i asked for some help, sounds like you need to do the
>same. I'm not looking for a miracle, i know how to shoot, and i'm good
>at it. I know lighting, i know how to get my shots, i didn't ask for you
>to some down on me for trying to do a friend a favor. But it seems that
>there are actually some nice people that are willing to actually help
>someone who is starting out. and to finish it all off, i ask again,
>please don't post anything about how stupid i am for doing this, i
>didn't mean to cause a stir and i just want to help someone out.
>
You are NOT stupid.. It's the wannabe's in the group that constantly
attack posters like you.. Most of them just want to stir-up trouble,
just ignore them..
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
jon, your email is just bouncing back, can you check the address and email me
something at
I have some stuff I have put together for you.
Georgette Oden
On 19 May 1998, Fiance6871 wrote:
>
> ><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Senior Portraits
> >From: Carbon Unit <we...@flash.net>
> >Date: Mon, May 18, 1998 19:17 EDT
> >Message-id: <3560C18D...@flash.net>
> >
> >Hey bonehead, listen up, damnit. What is really important here is that she
> >gets
(snip)
> >eating
> >rats in a tiger cage, guarded by a gook when I was your age.
>
> Potter, Potter.... ah, yes- from "It's A Wonderful Life", the Frank Capra
> movie! I think Jimmy Stewart said it best when HE told Potter: "You're nothing
> but a warped, frustrated old man!"
> Get a life, Jonathan- this newsgroup is for helping others in the area of
> photography. I wish I had had it when I was starting out, because there are
> some great people on here. You, on the other hand, bring the average down
> considerably with your vitriol.
Hey-- the person you want to yell at isn't Jon Potter. It's wesch...
Georgette
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
I am presuming that you have not fully recovered from your incarceration, I
pity you, not only for your lack of social skills but also for your complete
misuderstanding of what a good photograph consists of.
From the URL attached to your email, you would seem to believe that a good
image consists of harsh lighting and large equipment. The freudian analysis
would suggest that you resent women and humiliate them photographically to
make up for your personal lack of equipment.
I very much doubt if john would ever learn anything from you, (if he were to
work as your assistant), apart from arrogance.
You are sir, nothing more than an inferior tits and bum photographer, with
little talent and no style.
In article <3560C18D...@flash.net>,
Carbon Unit <we...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> Hey bonehead, listen up, damnit. What is really important here is that she
gets
> a good picture. I don't think you can deliver on that. Smart asses come in
this
> newsgroup all the time wanting to know how to get a certain result on a
> particular shot. You have no idea how long it would take to type the
information
> necessary for you to even begin to comprehend the concept of a high quality
> portrait.
> Right now the portrait industry is at an all time low. One of the reasons is
> that quality has drop a great deal due to morons who quit their day job and
buy
> a 35mm and an umbrella and work at a price that undercuts the whole market.
They
> end up being great salesman and lousy photographers.
> If you want to experiment with portraits go ahead. Don't do it at the
expense of
> your friend. You want to be a photographer? Go to school and study and work
as
> an assistant for awhile. Now stop your crying and go read a book. I was
eating
> rats in a tiger cage, guarded by a gook when I was your age.
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Fiance6871
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Senior Portraits
>Date: Tue, May 19, 1998 03:35 EDT
>Message-id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980519...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>
>
>
>
>On 19 May 1998, Fiance6871 wrote:
>
>>
>> >Subject: Re: Senior Portraits
>> >From: Carbon Unit <we...@flash.net>
>> >Date: Mon, May 18, 1998 19:17 EDT
>> >Message-id: <3560C18D...@flash.net>
>> >
>> >gets
>> >eating
>> >rats in a tiger cage, guarded by a gook when I was your age.
>>
>> movie! I think Jimmy Stewart said it best when HE told Potter: "You're
>nothing
>> but a warped, frustrated old man!"
>> Get a life, Jonathan- this newsgroup is for helping others in the area of
>> photography. I wish I had had it when I was starting out, because there are
>> some great people on here. You, on the other hand, bring the average down
>> considerably with your vitriol.
>
>Hey-- the person you want to yell at isn't Jon Potter. It's wesch...
>
>Georgette
>
>
Yes, you'll notice I posted that immediately upon realizing my mistake :)
Thanks, tho!
AbsPhotog
Jon,
What a plethora of useless info you've gotten on the newsgroup.
The problem with a lot of pros is that they forget what it's like to start out
with little money and experience.
My photos on my web page: http://members.aol.com/AbsPhotog/index.html
were mostly shot with 500watt EBV light bulbs with simple lighting set-ups. One
directly into the face, one to highlight the hair, and sometimes one to
separate the backdrop from the person.
The backdrop is a roll of black paper that can be bought at a photo supply
store for $25 (you can get a lot of different colors). It's hung up on a
clothesline, strung across the walls and affixed to hooks.
The film is standard Kodak 400 ISO for color, although some are taken with
Professional Vericolor 160 ISO. An 80A filter is used for the color film.
The black & white is the same lighting set-up, using Ilford HP 5+ 400 ISO.
Your just shooting portrait pictures so don't let these people drive you crazy.
Most photogs are lucky to get 3 good pictures out of a roll of film, so use
cheaper film and waste more of it getting started.
The problem most people encounter is where they get their film developed and
printed. Labs don't take the time to color correct, they print what they see
(which may not be what you want).
That's why you get feedback from a lot of people who can print their own
talking about how difficult it is to get the "right" look. They can afford to
be picky.
A lot of people are really liking the look of black and white pictures. I make
it a point to shoot one roll of color and one roll of black and white of each
portrait shoot I do.
I offer people complete sets of color prints (a lot of places offer second sets
free) to pose for me, rather than paying models etc. Since I have access to a
photo lab and develop and print my own b&w's I offer people a couple of 8X10's
or 5X7's also.
Practice a lot over the next year, focusing on lighting techniques etc. You can
find a lot of teens who want their pictures taken, especially with friends. I
put adds up on the college bulletin boards.
By the way, I shoot in 35 mm too, and they don't even begin to get grainly
until they are enlarged bigger than 6X9 and the slower the film speed you use
(25-50-125) the less grainy they are likely to get.
Good luck
Brad
js...@vss.fsi.com
In article <3560B2...@hempseed.com>,
nospam...@hempseed.com wrote:
>
> Okay i get it i should take her to a pro, but i just thouhgt, well maybe
> i could do it and see what i can do for her, i'm not a complete moron i
> know my stuff and can hold my own. so please do not reply if you are
> not going to give me any helpful tips (telling me to send her to a pro
> is not helpful) and don't tell me that 35mm is to hard to retouch, i
> know a couple studio photogs that use 35mm. and not everything needs to
> be retouched, there are some that know how to control the camera and can
> actually get a good shot on the first try, isn't that what photography
> is about, getting the perfect shot?
>
Give'em hell Jon!
I would suggest Fuji NPH for film. 400 speed gives you shooting flexibility,
and its got small enough grain to get decent 8x10's from 35mm. It's also low
in contrast, averall a nice "people" film.
Use filters sparingly. A softening filter may be good on some shots, the
Cokin diffuser 1 is acceptable, the diffuser 2 is toooo strong. You may also
want to try a "spot" or vignetter type filter. Clear in the center and
diffused around the edges. I use the Cokin gray spot and spot in color with
good results. When using filters, I usually take the pose without the filter
also. If you're shooting in open shade, you may want to use an 81a warming
filter to take some of the blue out.
When shooting outdoors, I like to use fill flash. I use a lumiquest pocket
bouncer to diffuse the light. Here again, I like to shoot the same pose with
and without the fill flash.
In my opinion, one of the most important things is to ensure is nice catch
lights in the eyes. This gives the photo life. If you're shooting available
light, a stragically placed reflector can work wonders for this.
As for the "take her to a pro" crowd...take them with a grain of salt. I
recently did some senior portraits for a previous client (I'm semi-pro). When
I got to the location, she had some pictures from the school sanctioned
studio. My heart sank... They were VERY good, perfect lighting, great props
and backdrops, by the book poses etc. I had strobes along, but it was high
overcast that day, and the house had big windows...did the whole shoot
available light, with lots of reflectors. When the proofs came back, they
were good, but not as good as the studios. Still, the client bought mine.
Why, they were a better depiction of who the senior was. My point, while the
studio had better be able to make a technically better photograph, a friend
can often make a better picture of the person.
Good Luck,
Jim
shoo...@ix.netcom.com
Carbon Unit wrote:.
> Right now the portrait industry is at an all time low. One of the reasons is
> that quality has drop a great deal due to morons who quit their day job and buy
> a 35mm and an umbrella and work at a price that undercuts the whole market. They
> end up being great salesman and lousy photographers.
> If you want to experiment with portraits go ahead. Don't do it at the expense of
> your friend. You want to be a photographer? Go to school and study and work as
> rats in a tiger cage, guarded by a gook when I was your age.
>
What!!!!!????? What has all of this got to do with the young man
asking for some advice on film and filters???
Ron
shoo...@ix.netcom.com
..
>
> Jon Potter
>
> Jon Potter wrote:
> >
> > I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
> > do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
> > what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
> > things.
> > Thank You
> > Jonathan Potter
> >
Go for it John.. seniors are not hard to shoot.. some of the negs may
need to be retouched, maybe not.. but go for it.. If she doesn't like
your work she can go somewhere else.. She knows the deal.. You are not a
working pro. As long as that is clear.. Take the photos and quit
listning to whining and bitching of these others.
Shoot lots of film and enjoy the session(s) Not to much on the
filters.. Maybe a soft focus.. I like Fuji 160 & 400 for portraits..
Nice color and not real saturated. Just go take the damn pictures!!!
Ron
Bernard
js...@vss.fsi.com wrote:
> I would suggest Fuji NPH for film. 400 speed gives you shooting
> flexibility,
> and its got small enough grain to get decent 8x10's from 35mm. It's
> also low
> in contrast, averall a nice "people" film.
Christ! 35mm, 400 speed and 8x10 prints..... is there no other way to
commit suicide? Like jump off the Empire State or something?
Bernard.
is...@execpc.com
I dont get the last statement at all. There isnt anything wrong with
400 35mm and 8x10's In fact I have use Fuji Pro 400 and blow up to
much bigger than 8x10. Next thing you'll say is to use large format
8x10 and 50speed film
---
Andy White Photography
Fax: 920-751-8087
e-mail: is...@execpc.com
test
Here's some info that might help you. We had an outdoor portrait session
last Saturday and used these techniques and came away with some "good
stuff."
Good Luck,
Bob
Natural Lighting For Portraiture
Professional Looking Results With
Minimal Equipment
How would you like to make professional looking portraits without a
studio and fancy lighting? In fact, no auxiliary lighting equipment or
backgrounds are needed. For those photographers who have made a modest
investment in camera equipment you probably have everything that you
need to do this already. This technique is called "available light
outdoor portraiture."
The key to available light outdoor portraiture is to get natural
lighting from the sun. We all know how difficult shooting outdoor
portraits in the sun can be. You get harsh shadows, squinting eyes,
exposure errors due to back-lighting and so forth. But the trick is to
work in "open shade." Open shade is the shaded area that is under a
tree or wooded area. This area should not contain any bright spots from
the sun on your subject's face.
It is suggested that you scout out an area with the desired open shade
effect before you begin your shooting session. Sometimes it takes a
while to find just the right location.
The background plays an important part in the shooting location. You
will want to keep the background simple, not busy, being careful not to
have bright spots in the background. Because you are interested in your
subject's face, a busy or distracting background will take the viewer's
eye away from your subject and as a result, will diminish the quality of
your photographs.
To minimize distracting backgrounds you should use a telephoto lens
usually between a 90-135mm focal length, depending on the composition
desired. A very important element of this technique is to utilize a
shallow depth of field, in order to "blur out" the background. This is
easily obtained through the use of a telephoto lens and a larger f/stop
such as f/5.6. The telephoto lens will give you a flatter perspective
and render a more pleasing perspective on your subject.
If you are using color film, especially transparency film, you must be
aware that open shade may create a cool blue light and is undesirable
for reproduction of skin tones. To achieve the healthy skin tone you
will need to use a skylight or 81A or B filter on your lens to cut down
the UV light transmission and warm up the scene.
Using a white reflector produces the best light. The white side of
reflectors and umbrellas are much softer than silver which reflects a
harsher light. Also, the color balance is neutral with white, while
silver tends to lean towards blue.
Why discuss reflectors? Because reflectors are what we will use to
redirect our sunlight and to give us our professional lighting look. An
inexpensive tool for the photographer is foam board which is an
excellent reflecting material. It does not fold up, but is very light
and can be purchased from local frame or art supply store.
What effect will this have on your photographs? As previously
mentioned, the reflector will bring light into your subject's face. You
can place the reflector at waist level and direct light under the chin,
nose and eyes. You can place the reflector to one side in order to
highlight a side of your subject's face or you can locate the reflector
to the shadow side of the face to open up the shadows. What you see is
what you get.
You will see that the white side of the reflector produces a softer,
more subtle effect, while the soft gold/silver side produces a stronger
more specular effect. Which side of the disc works best depends upon
your ambient lighting condition, your subject's facial features and the
look you want to achieve. If your day is overcast and flat you will
probably need the soft gold/silver side. But, if your day is bright and
sunny, the white side should suffice. Because you do not want the
reflected light to look fake, you must give careful consideration to how
the light is falling onto the subject. If the reflected light is too
bright it will look unnatural. To correct for this error you will need
to move the reflector farther away from the subject or reposition the
angle of it. Any direct light from overhead will tend to project onto
your subject as bright spots on their forehead, nose, etc. You will
need to move the subject until the lighting looks better. If you find
that your location suitable, with the exceptions of the hot spots
falling on the subject from overhead, you can place an additional
reflector or diffuser overhead as a screen or "gobo" to block out or
soften the unwanted light. Of course, you will still need a reflector
for your subject's face and/or body. Whenever shooting outdoors it is
best to have an assistant to help hold the reflectors.
Of utmost importance is your technique for metering light. You must
meter the light for the subject's face. If you do not read the light on
the subject's face, your exposure may be fooled by back lighting,
causing an underexposure. To properly meter your scene you should walk
up to your subject and make the exposure with your camera, hold that
reading and then walk back to recompose your shot. If you are using a
zoom lens you can zoom to the highest magnification in order to fill the
frame with the subject's face and make a proper meter reading each time
without moving from your camera position. Of course when metering,
your reflectors must be in place for accurate readings. If you are
using a hand-held meter you should meter the light at the subject's face
in the incident reading mode.
Because you will be frequently working in the shade, with an AE camera
you must watch that your shutter speed does not go below camera
hand-holding speeds.
Please be aware that when you are shooting with 35mm and your end
results are 8 x 10" size prints, you should allow extra room in your
composition for cropping, since the 35mm format is not directly
proportional to the 8 x 10" print format.
For close-up portrait work it is usually best to use a softening filter
on your lens. Today's lens are too sharp and every line, blemish, and
hair is reproduced. A softening filter will also take the "edge" off,
while retaining sharpness in the eyes and little reduction in contrast.
For proper perspective use a medium telephoto lens for head shots. As
you may know, using the normal lens (50mm in the 35mm format and 75mm or
80mm in the 120mm format) for a close-up portrait will give an
unflattering effect and as a result your subject's nose and anything
else that is closest to the lens will be enlarged. For 35mm cameras, a
zoom lens set in the 90-105mm range will suffice.
An important aspect of the shoot is the hair and make-up. Most models
know how to set their own hair and do their make-up, but it is different
for photography than everyday use. The make-up must be applied more
heavily to gain contrast in the photos as the film records make-up
differently from the naked eye. It is recommended that a hair and
make-up artist be retained for best results.
Proper wardrobe and jewelry selection is also important in the shoot.
For an outdoor shoot you want to keep things quite simple. Ask your
subject to bring several changes of clothing and a nice selection of
jewelry from which to choose.
To obtain a cooperative atmosphere during the shoot it is imperative
that you build a rapport with your subject. The easiest way is to let
them talk about themselves. Ask them questions about their career,
interests, or places traveled to break the ice.
It cannot be emphasized enough the importance of being professional in
your manner. Avoid off-color jokes or comments, clothes or poses that
reveal too much, and avoid touching your subjects too frequently. It is
worth suggesting that a parent, family member or friend present if
photographing a female under the age of about 20 years old. This will
help avoid any problems that may arise.
Proper planning prior to the session help you meet your goals. It is
suggested that you meet with you subject prior to the shoot, so you can
discuss all the details, scout out a location and make wardrobe
selections, etc.
Creating professional looking portraits without a studio can be easily
done outdoors, with proper technique and minimum equipment.
Reprinted from: SHUTTERBUG magazine, October 1995
Carbon Unit
you have no eye for quality if you think its OK to use 400 speed film on a 35mm
to achieve an 8x10
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
js...@vss.fsi.com
In article <3561A9E8...@g23.relcom.ru>,
Bernard <5521...@g23.relcom.ru> wrote:
>
> Christ! 35mm, 400 speed and 8x10 prints..... is there no other way to
> commit suicide? Like jump off the Empire State or something?
>
> Bernard.
>
Why don't we skip right to the logical end of the argument and all go back to
using 8x10 cameras with Kodachrome 25. And just to make sure grain's not a
problem, we can limit ourselves to 16x20 ciba's...don't want too much
enlargement! Making the large format mandatory would also keep the rif-raf
out of photography.
And to imagine, Kodak has the public believing they can make photographs with
a piece of plastic stuck on a cardboard box and 800 speed film...of all the
nerve.
Jim
p.s. Are we off topic yet?
shoo...@ix.netcom.com
Bernard wrote:
>
> js...@vss.fsi.com wrote:
>
> > I would suggest Fuji NPH for film. 400 speed gives you shooting
> > flexibility,
> > and its got small enough grain to get decent 8x10's from 35mm. It's
> > also low
> > in contrast, averall a nice "people" film.
>
> commit suicide? Like jump off the Empire State or something?
>
> Bernard.
Are you really that off the deep end?? 35mm+400 can = an very nice 8x10
or even 16x20...!!
Ron
Sgt Nads
Harsh light? Well, I can what you know about photography. Are you just a homo or
stupid or both?
Sgt Nads
You shall die in the upcoming revolution.
Fiance6871
>> commit suicide? Like jump off the Empire State or something?
Jump, Bernard- JUMP!!!
:)
Bernard
shoo...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > Christ! 35mm, 400 speed and 8x10 prints..... is there no other way
> to
> > commit suicide? Like jump off the Empire State or something?
> >
> > Bernard.
>
> Are you really that off the deep end?? 35mm+400 can = an very nice
> 8x10
> or even 16x20...!!
If you believe that, you must be stone blind, Ron from Tacoma!
400 film exists for trigger-happy tourists without a clue, PJ's who
don't give a shit about quality as long as the event is recorded and
ahh..... for you.
Bernard
Bernard
Fiance6871 wrote:
> Bernard <5521...@g23.relcom.ru> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Christ! 35mm, 400 speed and 8x10 prints..... is there no other way
> to
> >> commit suicide? Like jump off the Empire State or something?
>
> Jump, Bernard- JUMP!!!
Are these negative vibes or what? There were days when I was second in
popularity only to the king......
Bernard.
Sgt Nads
Time to get some glasses. I'd only consider 25 speed or T-Max 100 for 16x20 and
that's with a good Nikkor fixed lens like the 85mm 1.4. Don't get me
wrong...I've done 16x20 using my 85 but only when the customer requests it. They
usually want the stylish full bleed prints(sprocket holes) or they want to save
money. My 4x5 shots are more expensive. People will usually still pay $300 to
$600 because they appreciate the quality.
Fiance6871
just kidding :)
Steve1chsn
SHOOT120 WROTE:
> 35mm+400 can = an very nice 8x10
>or even 16x20...!!
Yeah, as long as you have never seen one done with MF !
It's all relative to your standard, and if it is MF - then 35mm sucks by
comparison.
--------------------------------------------------------
steve vancosin
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
Sgt Nads <we...@flash.net> wrote:
neither actually.
According to the oxford english dictionary :
*harsh*, Rough to the touch, taste, eye or ear;
repugnant to feelings or judgement; cruel, unfeeling.
you dumb fuck, not *hard*.
As for what I know about photography, I print professionally for the best
photographers in the world, and you will have seen my work.
To have your work printed by me, I must first receive a recommendation from a
world class photographer, then I will examine your portfolio, then I will
consider whether I want to print your work. I am at a level where I turn down
more clients then accept, where I do not work for anyone, but only with them.
If you do not know my real name then you have not reach the required standard,
as I have no need to advertise my skills. Neither do I need to publicly
victimise a school child to prove my my masculinity.
You, *boy*, on the other hand are a small fool with a massive inferiority
complex and your *snaps" show no empathy, no form, no style, poor lighting
(why do you make your models look fat ?).
You also seem to be under the impression that your equipment makes you a
photographer, i beg to differ....
You, sir are not only beneath me, but you bring the reputation of talented
photographers into disrepute.
Sgt Nads
Oh great. Another Scottmike. Yawn.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
In article <35634D1F...@flash.net>,
aaaah, is the poor sexually inadequate baby tired ?
pleasant dreams, may you rest in peace.
Sgt Nads
Shoot! That's nothing. My enemies have used my handles for all kinds of stuff.
Last year this guy did a search under my name that lead him to my old units home
page that I help design. From there, and I still don't know how he did it, he
was able to hack into my complete war record including 5th Army and 101st
Airborne. I know this because he e-mailed me a copy. Next thing I know I'm
getting heat from the feds because my name was attached to some KKK spam that
was being put out in the top 10% used newsgroups. I call my buddy Eric(The King,
Digital) who I did a few patrols with in Vietnam back in 74 before the pull out,
and it turns out he's getting these death threats in his email. We thought it
was no big deal until somebody took a shot at him on the loading dock of his
studio. He took a bullet in the leg which is kind of a coincidence because it
was inches from where he was hit back in Nam. Digital wanted to go on the
offensive but what can I do? I've been in and out of hospitals since 1978. What
was I talking about? Oh yeah. You are obviously obsessed with me and need
professional help. The kind I got after I got back from Nam but I don't want to
talk about that period of my life. But anyway, you were most likely circumcised
when someone kicked your sister on the chin so I won't be expecting too much
from you. If you like to know pain, I can introduce you to it as well. Pain and
Death and I are old friends we go way back. We play Monopoly and watch Barney
together.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> let's finish this for good :
>
> If anyone would care to do a search on "carbon unit" at deja news they
> will find all the messages that he has posted under that name, if anyone
> would care to then click on the "view author profile" link, it then lists
> every single article that we...@flash.net has ever posted. It makes
> interesting reading especially the postings to
>
> alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.male
>
> and also
>
> alt.sex.fetish.startrek
>
> and although these posting may be due to his replying to spam,
> he has been spotted cruising for "skin pics" at
>
> alt.mag.penthouse
>
> I rest my case, your honour.
>
> pleasant dreams wesch, you have managed to humiliate yourself in front
> of a worldwide audience.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
kingsnake
In article <3562E9...@ix.netcom.com>, shoo...@ix.netcom.com did write:
>Are you really that off the deep end?? 35mm+400 can = an very nice 8x10
>or even 16x20...!!
>
That is correct.
If it'll shut eric and Bernard up, I'll take down an 8x10 off my living room
wall, scan it at 150 DPI, AND POST THE FULL SIZE BIANRY TO THIS GROUP, and
prove it.
Certainly, it would take less f***ing bandwidth than all this ranting and
arguing ... (on second thought, a link to the image will be sufficient)
--
-John S. Bond <kingsnake> WA6FRN/6
Gyro Gearloose Productions - nothing is too insane -
- photography and whatnot in the making -
http://206.13.45.45
ICQ uin:4604100
Bernard
pjclarke2 wrote about Wesch:
> he has been spotted cruising for "skin pics" at
> alt.mag.penthouse
Mr J. Wesch is a photographer. As such, he should be most interested in
magazines which specialize in nude studies as well as other publications
containing any photographic material. He should be constantly aware of
his peer's endeavors.
> I rest my case, your honour.
As do I, but I fail to see your case.
> pleasant dreams wesch, you have managed to humiliate yourself in front
>
> of a worldwide audience.
As argumented, I see no cause for feeling humiliated when trying to
remain aware of current developments in the art of photographing people
in the nude.
Moreover, a discussion of magazines of the type you refer to above,
would be entirely on topic and appropriate for this group as well.
Bernard.
Bernard
kingsnake wrote:
> If it'll shut eric and Bernard up, I'll take down an 8x10 off my
> living room
> wall, scan it at 150 DPI, AND POST THE FULL SIZE BIANRY TO THIS GROUP,
> and
> prove it.
Do that. But it's "bainry", not "bianry", snakehead. I told to quit
boozing, didn't I?
Bernard.
digital
jason you promised me you would not talk about me being shot.........just to let you
know, while i was at the doctor yesterday they found another piece of scrapnel where
the bullet went in.........i will be in the hospital next week having it
removed.........nam, boy those were the good ole days.......you could get laid for a
quarter...................
also on the death threats, i think they have narrowed it down to two people, the
feds said they would call this week for us both to meet at there office, do you want
to ride together, or do you think we had better take seperate cars and come in from
different directions.........
king
Sgt Nads wrote:
> Shoot! That's nothing. My enemies have used my handles for all kinds of stuff.
> Last year this guy did a search under my name that lead him to my old units home
> page that I help design. From there, and I still don't know how he did it, he
> was able to hack into my complete war record including 5th Army and 101st
> Airborne. I know this because he e-mailed me a copy. Next thing I know I'm
> getting heat from the feds because my name was attached to some KKK spam that
> was being put out in the top 10% used newsgroups. I call my buddy Eric(The King,
> Digital) who I did a few patrols with in Vietnam back in 74 before the pull out,
> and it turns out he's getting these death threats in his email. We thought it
> was no big deal until somebody took a shot at him on the loading dock of his
> studio. He took a bullet in the leg which is kind of a coincidence because it
> was inches from where he was hit back in Nam. Digital wanted to go on the
> offensive but what can I do? I've been in and out of hospitals since 1978. What
> was I talking about? Oh yeah. You are obviously obsessed with me and need
> professional help. The kind I got after I got back from Nam but I don't want to
> talk about that period of my life. But anyway, you were most likely circumcised
> when someone kicked your sister on the chin so I won't be expecting too much
> from you. If you like to know pain, I can introduce you to it as well. Pain and
> Death and I are old friends we go way back. We play Monopoly and watch Barney
> together.
>
> pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > let's finish this for good :
> >
> > If anyone would care to do a search on "carbon unit" at deja news they
> > will find all the messages that he has posted under that name, if anyone
> > would care to then click on the "view author profile" link, it then lists
> > every single article that we...@flash.net has ever posted. It makes
> > interesting reading especially the postings to
> >
> > alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.male
> >
> > and also
> >
> > alt.sex.fetish.startrek
> >
> > and although these posting may be due to his replying to spam,
> > he has been spotted cruising for "skin pics" at
> >
> > alt.mag.penthouse
> >
> > I rest my case, your honour.
> >
> > pleasant dreams wesch, you have managed to humiliate yourself in front
> > of a worldwide audience.
> >
Michael Quack
Bernard <5521...@g23.relcom.ru> schrieb im Beitrag
<3563EB61...@g23.relcom.ru>...
> Mr J. Wesch is a photographer.
No, he's a veteran soldier with war distress syndrom.
He used to have boobie traps all over his place, but the DOD
banned grenades in his house, so he set up the boobie traps
with LF cameras and occasionally one of the pictures is
good enough to be sold by his nurse to buy medicine when
he has yet another seizure.
> As such, he should be most interested in magazines
> which specialize in nude studies as well as other publications
> containing any photographic material.
That's more because after a shell injury he is hung like a
lightswitch and ladies usually laugh at him.
Donate to help a mentally disturbed veteran. Jason, post your
donation account number !
--
Michael Quack
<photo...@aol.com>
Michael Quack
"Binary" ? Seems to be some vodka left in Russia, Bernie.
--
Michael Quack
<photo...@aol.com>
Bernard
Michael Quack wrote:
> > Do that. But it's "bainry", not "bianry", snakehead.
> > I told to quit boozing, didn't I?
>
> "Binary" ? Seems to be some vodka left in Russia, Bernie.
Shhh! That was supposed to be kingsnake's reaction, you idiot!
Bernard.
Sportz Photography
In article <3563ECB5...@g23.relcom.ru>, 5521...@g23.relcom.ru says...
>Do that. But it's "bainry", not "bianry", snakehead. I told to quit
>boozing, didn't I?
>Bernard.
Actually, it's binary.
Sportz Photography
In article <3563EB61...@g23.relcom.ru>, 5521...@g23.relcom.ru says...
>Mr J. Wesch is a photographer. As such, he should be most interested in
>magazines which specialize in nude studies as well as other publications
>containing any photographic material. He should be constantly aware of
>his peer's endeavors.
Which of his peers are exhibiting work in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.
teens.male ?
Michael Quack
> Michael Quack wrote:
> > > Do that. But it's "bainry", not "bianry", snakehead.
> > > I told to quit boozing, didn't I?
> >
>
> Shhh! That was supposed to be kingsnake's reaction, you idiot!
>
could I oversee this. Maybe Johnny can pretend not to
have seen my answer ?
Go and have some vodka on me. Preferrably Stolichnaja,
Kristal isn't that good anymore.
--
Michael Quack
<photo...@aol.com>
Bernard
Michael Quack wrote:
> Go and have some vodka on me. Preferrably Stolichnaja,
> Kristal isn't that good anymore.
Oh hey! The man knows his vodka!
Cheers, Mike!
Bernard.
Sgt Nads
No way! No more Feds! I'll never forget Ruby Ridge.
Sgt Nads
To be honest I've never heard of such a newsgroup but if there is a teens.female
please let me know. If my name truly does appear in group like that I'm not one
who put it in there. While back somebody used my e-mail address in a number of
weird ass groups.
I suspect Scottmike or one of the other ass wipes who stick their head in here
every now in then. Personally I don't really care. It's no secret I'm a
pervert...an abomination to God. The chicks really dig it. As far as this
pjclarke2 guy, he's a pussy. Hopefully I'll come across him face to face.
Bernard
Sportz Photography wrote:
> >Do that. But it's "bainry", not "bianry", snakehead. I told to quit
> >boozing, didn't I?
>
> >Bernard.
>
> Actually, it's binary.
Not if I say it's bainry! Now go buy a dictionary and share it with
kingsnakehead.
Bernard.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
yep, its analyse the arsehole time again folks.
>>Shoot! That's nothing. My enemies have used my handles ...
note the use of crass terminology, fool obviously is unaware that the war is
over.
>>..for all kinds of stuff.
>>Last year this guy did a search under my name that lead him to my old units
home
>>page that I help design.
Are you sure he didn't search for talentless, pathetic arsehole ?
>>From there, and I still don't know how he did it, he
>>was able to hack into my complete war record including 5th Army and 101st
>>Airborne.
Your exact detailing of your record is supposed to get us either to search
to see what a "hero" you are, or to impress. It is completely irrelavnt to
the facts, that you persecute those that you do not agree with because of your
massive inferiority complex.
>>I know this because he e-mailed me a copy. Next thing I know I'm
>>getting heat from the feds because my name was attached to some KKK spam
>>that was being put out in the top 10% used newsgroups.
Are you sure the feds weren't after you because you are a racist arsehole
anyway, (re : being guarded by a gook) ?
>>I call my buddy Eric(The King,
>>Digital) who I did a few patrols with in Vietnam back in 74 before the pull
>>out,
don't you mean "before you got your butts kicked out", if I remember correctly
you lost.
>>and it turns out he's getting these death threats in his email. We thought
>>it
>>was no big deal until somebody took a shot at him on the loading dock of his
>>studio. He took a bullet in the leg which is kind of a coincidence because
>>it
>>was inches from where he was hit back in Nam. Digital wanted to go on the
>>offensive but what can I do?
You must be scared shitless now, this is just a plea for backup, pity you
didn't have any in 'nam.
>>I've been in and out of hospitals since 1978. What
>>was I talking about?
Once again irrelevant information designed to make us pity you.
>>Oh yeah. You are obviously obsessed with me
nope, I'm obsessed with photography and dealing out justice to those that
bring it into disrepute. I have no objection to flame mail as a rule, if it
is either humerous or well intended, there is no excuse for victimising people
and there will be no mercy. I will not harm you physically but I will lurk in
your mind.
>>and need professional help. The kind I got after I got back from Nam
>>but I don't want to talk about that period of my life.
Once again irrelevant information designed to make us pity you, but I don't
give a shit, go on tell us how bad it was, give us a laugh. My father was
mutilated on the burma railways, when he came back he never went out and
persecuted people, he never whined with self-pity, he certainly didn't blame
the whole world for what happened to him.
>>But anyway, you were most likely circumcised
>>when someone kicked your sister on the chin so I won't be expecting too much
from you.
For some bizarre reason, you are presuming that I am male (BTW is Pat jerina
amle or female, I've always wondered). Also since you have
obviously lost this argument so badly, you are taking to petty insults.
>>If you like to know pain, I can introduce you to it as well. Pain and
>>Death and I are old friends we go way back. We play Monopoly and watch
>>Barney together.
Oh and now the threat of physical violence, which I believe constitutes
assault under american law, but I don't give a damn since;
"I am the maker of death", and you are a rank amateur.
So to summarise;
Wesch is not a man, a man takes responsibility for his own actions and does
not blame others or events in his past for them. You do not find veterans of
the second world war crying like wesch, nor of the falklands or gulf wars. In
the pictures of the mutilated sudanese that I recently printed, there was a
sadness in their eyes, but there was also a dignity and a will to carry on.
Unfortunately Wesch has demonstrated neither preferring to take a more
self-pitying passage through life.
Because of his underdeveloped intellect, wesch has to resort to physical
violence in cases of confrontation. He would seem to have been sexually abused
either voluntarily or otherwise, which has resulted in his blatent homophobic
dick-swinging attitude, whilst it is a pity that a human being can be treated
so, once again it is no excuse.
goodnight Baby.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
> Mr J. Wesch is a photographer. As such, he should be most interested in
> magazines which specialize in nude studies as well as other publications
> containing any photographic material. He should be constantly aware of
> his peer's endeavors.
and then fail blatantly in his attempts to replicate them ?
> > I rest my case, your honour.
>
> As do I, but I fail to see your case.
There is a point to all of this, see below... (one battle does not constitute
a whole campaign).
> > pleasant dreams wesch, you have managed to humiliate yourself in front
> >
> > of a worldwide audience.
>
> As argumented, I see no cause for feeling humiliated when trying to
> remain aware of current developments in the art of photographing people
> in the nude.
and where does the "borg" fetish thing come into your theory, perhaps he was
practising erotic, nude or boudoir photography on his vacumn cleaner ?
> Moreover, a discussion of magazines of the type you refer to above,
> would be entirely on topic and appropriate for this group as well.
granted a discussion would be, not a flame war where innocent children are
victimised.
As to the purpose of this whole discussion :
In the Karen Simmons war it was highlighted that quite a few referrals were
via discussions on the internet etc... Soon Wesch will not be able to
advertise his business as being on the internet because anyone that does a
simple search on his name will find articles by him all over usenet, not
giving helpful advice, but dishing out vitriolic abuse. Lets see how long
his business last then.
I have also already contacted a few friends that are playing very close
attention to the continuation of this thread. In six months because of lead
times, I wouldn't be suprised if wesch were to become a minor celebrity,
especially in pro photographic magasines and in particular, articles
highlighting "arseholes on the internet". Let's face it, this does make great
copy.
The only pity is that whilst his emails have been posted to a public forum,
his images cannot be displayed, naturally because of copyright restrictions,
but the articles can point people in the direction of his website, so that's
okay then, he might even get some business out of this, then again he might be
persecuted, let's be democratic and let the public decide.
"hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
In article <35646625...@flash.net>,
Sgt Nads <we...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> To be honest I've never heard of such a newsgroup but if there is a
teens.female
> please let me know. If my name truly does appear in group like that I'm not
one
> who put it in there.
So what about the borg and the star trek fetish, or are you going to take the
fith ?
>While back somebody used my e-mail address in a number
of
> weird ass groups.
> I suspect Scottmike or one of the other ass wipes who stick their head in
here
> every now in then. Personally I don't really care. It's no secret I'm a
> pervert...an abomination to God. The chicks really dig it. As far as this
> pjclarke2 guy, he's a pussy. Hopefully I'll come across him face to face.
More personal threats, would anyone care to email me the exact address of Mr
Wesch's local newspaper and any other publications in which he advertises ?
Any names of editors would also be appreciated, now if you will excuse me, I
have 800 email messages to edit, compile and submit. But if anyone has the
exact threads of his most abusive postings or any stories to recount I would
be delighted to add them.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
In article <35642F44...@dallas.net>,
digital <dig...@dallas.net> wrote:
>
> jason you promised me you would not talk about me being shot.........just to
let you
> know, while i was at the doctor yesterday they found another piece of
scrapnel where
> the bullet went in.........i will be in the hospital next week having it
> removed.........nam, boy those were the good ole days.......you could get
laid for a
> quarter...................
and if you had a normal personality, you could get laid for free.
blue...@prodigy.net
On Thu, 21 May 1998 08:42:28 -0500, digital <dig...@dallas.net>
wrote:
>jason you promised me you would not talk about me being shot.........
I have good information that the person who shot you was Kingsnake...
(Fortunately for you, he is as bad with a gun as he is with
his Nikon.)
>just to let you know, while i was at the doctor yesterday they
>found another piece of scrapnel where the bullet went in.
That's "shrapnel", General Eisenhower...
Jon Croft
blue...@prodigy.net
blue...@prodigy.net
On Wed, 20 May 1998 23:58:53 -0500, Sgt Nads <we...@flash.net> wrote:
>From there, and I still don't know how he did it, he
>was able to hack into my complete war record including 5th Army and 101st
>Airborne. I call my buddy Eric (The King, Digital) who I did a few patrols
>with in Vietnam back in 74...
What a pogue!!! Airborne? Doing patrols? *Grunts* did patrols, and the
only grunts were MARINES!!! The sissies in Airborne took walks, they
didn't patrol.
I shipped home an M-16 I got at an Aiborne unit...What did they say
about weapons used by Airborne troops? "Never been fired, and only
dropped once".
While I was doing search-and-destroy in the bad bush, you were eating
ice cream in Da Nang, you wimp....
(The above is meant to be humorous, and is a test of your medication.
I was never in Vietnam, I was not in the military, and I respect
Airborne troops.... Please do not frag me or put a punji stick pit
in my front yard.)
Jon Croft
blue...@prodigy.net
digital
blue...@prodigy.net wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 1998 08:42:28 -0500, digital <dig...@dallas.net>
> wrote:
>
> >jason you promised me you would not talk about me being shot.........
>
> I have good information that the person who shot you was Kingsnake...
> (Fortunately for you, he is as bad with a gun as he is with
> his Nikon.)
>
> >just to let you know, while i was at the doctor yesterday they
> >found another piece of scrapnel where the bullet went in.
no i spelled it the way i meant it........shrapnel and scrapnel are two
different things............
digital
the only way you got laid back then was with the grandma's or the ole fat ugly
ones..............
i liked the young pretttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyy ones.............
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <35642F44...@dallas.net>,
> digital <dig...@dallas.net> wrote:
> >
> > jason you promised me you would not talk about me being shot.........just to
> let you
> > know, while i was at the doctor yesterday they found another piece of
> scrapnel where
digital
Michael Quack wrote:
> Bernard <5521...@g23.relcom.ru> schrieb im Beitrag
> <3563EB61...@g23.relcom.ru>...
>
> > Mr J. Wesch is a photographer.
> No, he's a veteran soldier with war distress syndrom.
> He used to have boobie traps all over his place, but the DOD
> banned grenades in his house, so he set up the boobie traps
> with LF cameras and occasionally one of the pictures is
> good enough to be sold by his nurse to buy medicine when
> he has yet another seizure.
>
> > As such, he should be most interested in magazines
> > which specialize in nude studies as well as other publications
> > containing any photographic material.
> That's more because after a shell injury he is hung like a
> lightswitch and ladies usually laugh at him.
actually you are wrong, on this part, jason was hit with a shell
between the legs.........but it only knocked off half his penis and
now he still has 12" left, i know i watched the medic put ice on it
while we were both pinned down in the bunkers one night with shells
flying over our heads......jason would have been a billionaire if he
had not lost half his penis...................
digital
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Mr
> As to the purpose of this whole discussion :
>
> In the Karen Simmons war it was highlighted that quite a few referrals were
> via discussions on the internet etc... Soon Wesch will not be able to
> advertise his business as being on the internet because anyone that does a
> simple search on his name will find articles by him all over usenet, not
> giving helpful advice, but dishing out vitriolic abuse. Lets see how long
> his business last then.
you obviously are one goofball, just to let you know something, Mr. Wesch as you
call him can buy and sell you ten times and not loose any money..........just for
your information. the wesch family here in plano are one of the riches families in
texas............i may be off here (and jason i apologize for telling this) but i
would guess at least $300 million..............so just for your information i dont
think jason really cares if he looses any money here.........just one other note,
the office were jason types his messages here is bigger then my entire house,
which by the way my house is 2,000 square feet..........
oh and one other thing just so you dont think jason just inherited this wealth i
would suspect that he alone has helped bring into his family at least $20
million.................
i just thought you otta know who you are playing with...............SORRY JASON,
JUST HAD TO LET IT BE KNOWN............
the king
>
>
> I have also already contacted a few friends that are playing very close
> attention to the continuation of this thread. In six months because of lead
> times, I wouldn't be suprised if wesch were to become a minor celebrity,
> especially in pro photographic magasines and in particular, articles
> highlighting "arseholes on the internet". Let's face it, this does make great
> copy.
>
> The only pity is that whilst his emails have been posted to a public forum,
> his images cannot be displayed, naturally because of copyright restrictions,
> but the articles can point people in the direction of his website, so that's
> okay then, he might even get some business out of this, then again he might be
> persecuted, let's be democratic and let the public decide.
>
> "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
>
Classic Images
>no i spelled it the way i meant it........shrapnel and scrapnel are two
>different things............
Right, one is a word, and the other isn't.
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com
> you obviously are one goofball, just to let you know something, Mr. Wesch as
you
> call him can buy and sell you ten times and not loose any
money
I cannot be bought
..........just for
> your information. the wesch family here in plano are one of the riches
families in
> texas............i may be off here (and jason i apologize for telling this)
but i
> would guess at least $300 million..............so just for your information
i dont
> think jason really cares if he looses any money here.........just one other
note,
> the office were jason types his messages here is bigger then my entire
house,
> which by the way my house is 2,000 square feet..........
so what ?
> oh and one other thing just so you dont think jason just inherited this
wealth i
> would suspect that he alone has helped bring into his family at least $20
> million.................
Good, rich person victimises poor, makes a much better story
> i just thought you otta know who you are playing with...............SORRY
JASON,
> JUST HAD TO LET IT BE KNOWN............
I'm not playing, he started it, the press will finish it, but will only stick
to the facts, so far no listing or information has been found on the internet
as to his multi-millionaire status, neither he nor the family do not seem to
be listed at forbes but then he is too poor to make it there.
Bernard
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > you obviously are one goofball, just to let you know something, Mr.
> Wesch as
> you
> > call him can buy and sell you ten times and not loose any
> money
>
> I cannot be bought
I can. What's the offer?
Bernard.
Bernard
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> nam, boy those were the good ole days.......you could get
> laid for a
> > quarter...................
>
> and if you had a normal personality, you could get laid for free.
Is that a proposition?
Bernard.
Bernard
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
Are you a gay lesbian activist on a crusade against men, to compensate
for your dread of large penises?
Bernard.
Bernard
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > As far as this
> > pjclarke2 guy, he's a pussy. Hopefully I'll come across him face to
> face.
>
> More personal threats, would anyone care to email me the exact address
> of Mr
> Wesch's local newspaper and any other publications in which he
> advertises ?
And you're paranoid as well. He would like to meet you, to see what a
pussy you are. Where's the alleged personal threat here?
You on the other hand, have declared to embark on a campaign to destroy
Mr. Wesch's business. I wonder if that is legal. Doing an article on him
in the paper is, but doing so with the premeditated intention to harm
someone's business..... I somehow doubt it.
Bernard.
Bernard
pjcl...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> and where does the "borg" fetish thing come into your theory, perhaps
> he was
> practising erotic, nude or boudoir photography on his vacumn cleaner ?
Your point would be much clearer if you would indulge to explain to us,
the ignorant in these matters, what a "borg" fetish thing is, and how it
can be used. I get the impression you know your way around with these
things.
Bernard.
kingsnake
(Even if this =wasn't= a big crock of bullshit:)
He can't take any of it with him where =he= is going, so why doesn't everybody
just PLEASE SHUT UP about these trolls?
I don't see erics posts, Bernards posts, Jason's posts,
Michael's posts, etc. ...
.. UNTIL SOMEONE QUOTES THEM!
In article <6k39ov$o8j$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pjcl...@my-dejanews.com did
write:
[cut] -quotes omitted- [cut]
>Good, rich person victimises poor, makes a much better story
[cut] -quotes omitted- [cut]
>I'm not playing, he started it, the press will finish it, but will only stick
>to the facts, so far no listing or information has been found on the internet
>as to his multi-millionaire status, neither he nor the family do not seem to
>be listed at forbes but then he is too poor to make it there.
--
-John S. Bond <kingsnake> WA6FRN/6
Gyro Gearloose Productions - nothing is too insane -
- photography and whatnot in the making -
http://206.13.45.45
ICQ uin:4604100
Uye
Listen to G.I. Silky Boy here:
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Senior Portraits - the revenge
>From: Sgt Nads <we...@flash.net>
>Date: Thu, May 21, 1998 00:58 EDT
>Message-id: <3563B48C...@flash.net>
>
>Shoot! That's nothing. My enemies have used my handles for all kinds of
>stuff.
>Last year this guy did a search under my name that lead him to my old units
>home
>page that I help design. From there, and I still don't know how he did it, he
>was able to hack into my complete war record including 5th Army and 101st
>Airborne. I know this because he e-mailed me a copy. Next thing I know I'm
>getting heat from the feds because my name was attached to some KKK spam that
>was being put out in the top 10% used newsgroups.
IT WOULD HELP IF YOU WOULD REMEMBER THAT WE'RE ALL NOT THE JACKASS THAT YOU
ARE- YOU THINK WE BELIEVE SOMEONE BOTHERED TO "BREAK IN" TO YOUR ACCOUNT? WHY
NOT JUST ADMIT YOU WENT ON THE SITES, YOU WUSSY? WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO IN
THE ARMY, SELL COFFEE TO CHARLIE? i HAVE PILLOWS THAT ARE MORE THREATENING THAN
YOU...
I call my buddy Eric(The
>King,
>Digital) who I did a few patrols with in Vietnam back in 74 before the pull
>out,
YOU MEAN BEFORE YOU PULLED OUT OF ERIC, THE OTHER LOSER DESPEARATE FOR
ATTENTION?
>and it turns out he's getting these death threats in his email. We thought it
>was no big deal until somebody took a shot at him on the loading dock of his
>studio. He took a bullet in the leg which is kind of a coincidence because it
>was inches from where he was hit back in Nam.
THE ONLY "SHOT" YOU TWO TOOK WAS IN THE HEINIE
Digital wanted to go on the
>offensive but what can I do? I've been in and out of hospitals since 1978.
>What
>was I talking about? Oh yeah. You are obviously obsessed with me and need
>professional help. The kind I got after I got back from Nam but I don't want
>to
>talk about that period of my life.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T- WHY TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WERE THE ONLY AMERICANS
TO EVER LOSE A WAR? WHILE YOU WERE BUGGERING ERIC, CHARLIE WAS PISSING ON OUR
FLAG...NOW LOOK AT YOU- A RACIST, BITTER, KNUCKLEHEAD WITH A HARD-ON FOR THE
COMPUTER BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE CAN STAND TO LISTEN TO YOU
But anyway, you were most likely
>circumcised
>when someone kicked your sister on the chin so I won't be expecting too much
>from you. If you like to know pain, I can introduce you to it as well. Pain
>and
>Death and I are old friends we go way back. We play Monopoly and watch Barney
>together.
NOW YOU MAKE THREATS? WHERE WERE YOU WHEN CHARLIE WAS SCREWING YOUR GRAMMY?
KEEP TYPING, LOSER- I LOVE TO SEE MISFITS LIKE YOU GET IN A LATHER! LOL LOL
LOL
>
Uye
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Senior Portraits - the revenge
>Date: Thu, May 21, 1998 04:52 EDT
>Message-id: <3563EB61...@g23.relcom.ru>
>
>pjclarke2 wrote about Wesch:
>
>> he has been spotted cruising for "skin pics" at
>> alt.mag.penthouse
>
>Mr J. Wesch is a photographer. As such, he should be most interested in
>magazines which specialize in nude studies as well as other publications
>his peer's endeavors.
>
>
>As do I, but I fail to see your case.
>
>>
>> of a worldwide audience.
>
>As argumented, I see no cause for feeling humiliated when trying to
>remain aware of current developments in the art of photographing people
>in the nude.
>
>would be entirely on topic and appropriate for this group as well.
>
>
>
Bernard, you let go of yourself (or digital) long enough to snap a photo? Still
taking nudes of kids and calling it "art"? You are sick, and if you EVER send
me kiddie porn again, I'll have you arrested!
Bernard
Uye wrote:
> Bernard, you let go of yourself (or digital) long enough to snap a
> photo? Still
> taking nudes of kids and calling it "art"? You are sick, and if you
> EVER send
> me kiddie porn again, I'll have you arrested!
Did Spraghead teach you to lie like that?
And how do you intend to have me arrested? I'm a bit far away, aren't I?
Bernard.
Bernard
kingsnake wrote:
> I don't see erics posts, Bernards posts, Jason's posts,
> Michael's posts, etc. ...
>
> .. UNTIL SOMEONE QUOTES THEM!
So could somebody please quote the following:
= Kingsnake is an asshole =
Thanks in advance,
Bernard
Don Gaart
Bernard wrote:
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Marie
Jon,
I have to admit, when I saw the length of this discussion I shuddered for
you! Actually, I haven't finished reading it yet, so please forgive any
redundant info I may pass along.
First - I do not consider myself a professional (even though I do
sometimes get $$) - but I do consider myself an interested, proficient,
advanced amateur. This is not to pat my own back, but to let you know I'm
not just spouting off.
Since you have a year or so to prepare - get ready to shoot a lot of
film. I really like Fuji Reala for portraits. It's not terribly
expensive and I've had good luck w/lab processing. I am a HUGE fan of b&w
portraiture - I favor TMax for that and I do my own processing/printing.
You have a 35 mm camera - so do I and I really like the results I get. I
know it's not MF, but I like it fine for now.
Something you should check into is how you want to light your subject.
For a 'good' image, on-camera flash is pretty much not gonna work! Check
into getting some inexpensive slaves/off camera attachments - nothing too
fancy or expensive to start with. You might want to check into portrait
classes at local community colleges, maybe you can audit. Check out
websites - I just visited www.montezucker.com on the advice of Michael
Quack and it's really super! Best thing you can do is read and shoot.
I would also suggest that you use models and practice posing them. I'm
sure you can get books w/the basic poses laid out - probably w/some
variations. One of my teachers told me that the really important thing to
capture is the expression and I really believe that. Most non-photogs are
not going to REALLY look at the pose, but they really, really look at
their expression.
I realize I rambled a little here and I apologize - I will be happy to
help if there's anything further you wish to ask.
Regards,
M. Daniels
Jon Potter wrote:
> I am an amatuer photographer and i told one of my friends that i would
> do her senioer portraits, and i havn't done any portrait photography,
> what would any one suggest for film (35mm only), filters, and other
> things.
> Thank You
> Jonathan Potter
>
> if reply by e-mail: pic...@hempseed.com
Shooter926
John,
Give me specific questions and I will give you answers
I shoot almost 2,000 seniors a year,and will be glad to help.
Michael
Uye
>The Love Of Pete! (was: Re: Senior Portraits...)
>From: Bernard <5521...@g23.relcom.ru>
>Date: Fri, May 22, 1998 12:16 EDT
>Message-id: <3565A4E3...@g23.relcom.ru>
>
>kingsnake wrote:
>
>> I don't see erics posts, Bernards posts, Jason's posts,
>> Michael's posts, etc. ...
>>
>> .. UNTIL SOMEONE QUOTES THEM!
>
>So could somebody please quote the following:
>
> = Kingsnake is an asshole =
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Bernard
YOU KNOW, BERNARD IS A SUCKASS, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT HE CAN BE FUNNY! THIS DAMN
NEAR BUSTED MY KIDNEYS!
digital
do you light the seniors with penis's any different then those without penis's?
do you light the seniors with breast any different then those without breast?
and do you only consider seniors those over 65 or how about someone who is say
63.5?
how do you light the seniors who have hair growing on there back?
i assume you must have encountered these problems if you shoot almost 2000 seniors
a year.............
also why type of gun do you use and how have you escaped the law for so long?
digital
Uye wrote:
Listen to G.I. Silky Boy here:
><HTML><PRE>Subject: Re: Senior Portraits - the revenge
Uye
Digital wrote:
>hey uye head, get a life........
>
>
O, poor little digital....
LOL LOL LOL
fire in the hole! (look digital, it's in Sgt. Nads hole!) FETCH
Sgt Nads
Holy Cow! Looks like we got ourselves a real psycho bitch on our hands. Oh well,
personality disorders are nothing new to the Internet...especially in this
newsgroup but I guess that what makes it so entertaining. Perhapes we have a
disorder...Net Rage.
Sgt Nads
Please don't tell anyone that we got all that money from the K.G.B.
SPECTRUM
On Sat, 23 May 1998 18:19:33 -0500, Sgt Nads <we...@flash.net>
wrote:
>What's an arse?
Look in a mirror !
Read you later !
John S. Douglas Spectrum Photographic Inc.
Photographer http://www.spectrumphoto.com
----------------------------------------------------
Sgt Nads
Your saying an arse is a mighty stud muffin oozing out hot monkey sex on the
floor that yo mama gonna come and slip on it and say, "I've fallen and I can't
get up."? Speaking of your mother, I haven't seen her in awhile. The only thing
I remember about her is the top of her head.
Steve1chsn
RECTUM??.......................damn near killed EM!!
NJFotomakr
> Speaking of your mother, I haven't seen her in awhile. The only thing
>I remember about her is the top of her head.
Totally uncalled for! Jason,while it's ok for light jesting among friends,let's
draw the line at trashing someones mother.After all,we all have one. Now when
are you going to update your website? Like most of your photographs,but it's
gotten old. Post new stuff,and do it quick..........
Peace,Love,Dove
Makepeace Lake/Weymouth Furnace
Black and White Photography
Sgt Nads
He started it!
Yes I know the site is getting old but I have four problems...
1) The glamour portrait thing is just a side biz. I shoot on digital during the
day and I really haven't time to play or I'm just too dang tired.
2) Portraits I do get to do and that I do want on the site get 86'd cause the
customer doesn't want something that revealing on the net.
3) I couldn't do that portrait thing full time if I wanted to. Not very many
people want to spend the money on quality work when they can go to some
corporate studio for fraction of what I charge. Particularly for the kind of
stuff I do. They can pay a poorly trained kid in college to shoot for that
cheap. If I charged that price, I'd starve.
4) Lack of inspiration. Life bores me. I need some Viagra...or smack. I need
something. It doesn't really matter. We are all going to die. We're just dust in
the wind.
kingsnake
To whom are you referring, Sarge?
--
-John S. Bond <kingsnake> WA6FRN/6
Gyro Gearloose Productions ~ a website in the making ~
nothing is too insane, but not everthing is too wise ;->
http://www.gyrogearloose.com/ ICQ uin:4604100