Rollei 80/2,8 for portrait ?
Daniel ROCHA
I have planed to buy a 6008i in april. I'll buy it as a standard kit
with a 80/2,8 lens.
I'm a user of a 24x36 gear, I want to enter in the "square philosophy".
The Rollei will be used for portrait photography. I use my 24x36 50mm
lens for portrait photography a lot.
Some sample of my photos :
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_121.html
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_198.html
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_183.html
All taken with a 50mm not so close.
I also appreciate a lot, close up portrait, like this pictures :
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_067.html
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_079.html
I would like to know if anybody here do portrait with the 80/2,8 lens.
The focusing distance at 80cm is not to far ? Anybody have some
sample pictures to show ??
I'm hesitating a lot with the APO-Symmar 90/4 macro lens,
but the price is not low, and I'm just an amateur who wants to
make photography for passion, not for money ! Therefore I can't
buy such lens when I'll buy my used kit.
Iuf anybody as some comments to make regarding my pictures here
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/
And the Rollei lenses, feel free to comment here !
Is the 90/4 good (sharpness and contrast) at infinite ? And for general
photography at 1 to 5m of focusing distance ? It's a macro lens and
sometimes they are not indicated for general photography.
I'll use the kit also for general photography, not for just portraiture.
Thanks for all comments, tips, and more !
Regards,
Daniel Rocha
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Very nice BUT you should have had the girl, with her pose exactly as it was,
look into the camera. I'll bet she had terrific eyes.
Portraits are about eyes.
Laurent Wirmer
> lens for portrait photography a lot.
I like the 80mm for 6x6 more than the 50mm for 24x36.
> Some sample of my photos :
> http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_121.html
> http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_198.html
> http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_183.html
>
> All taken with a 50mm not so close.
Could be possible with the 80, but maybe it will be useful to buy
closeup extension-ring(s).
> I also appreciate a lot, close up portrait, like this pictures :
> http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_067.html
> http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_079.html
For such photos you'll need the rings, at least the 9mm and maybe the 17mm.
> Is the 90/4 good (sharpness and contrast) at infinite ? And for general
> photography at 1 to 5m of focusing distance ? It's a macro lens and
> sometimes they are not indicated for general photography.
I don't have the 90mm, but I heard just the very best of it - at
infinite as well.
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Martin Jangowski
> I would like to know if anybody here do portrait with the 80/2,8 lens.
> The focusing distance at 80cm is not to far ? Anybody have some
> sample pictures to show ??
> I'm hesitating a lot with the APO-Symmar 90/4 macro lens,
> but the price is not low, and I'm just an amateur who wants to
> make photography for passion, not for money ! Therefore I can't
> buy such lens when I'll buy my used kit.
I use a Rollei with a 2.8/80 lens for portraits. However,
my Rollei is about 50 years old and has two lenses ;-)
You should really get different lenses for portraiture. I use
the TLR for shots like your first examples, and a RB with
the 180mm lens for tighter shots. This translates to about
150mm for 6x6.
Martin
Daniel ROCHA
> I looked at the first photo.
:)
> Very nice BUT you should have had the girl, with her pose exactly as
> it was, look into the camera. I'll bet she had terrific eyes.
She have really beatifull eyes, true. But in portraiture I like pictures
with not all the time looking to the camera.
As for example in this picture, with the eyes looking at the camera :
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_198.html
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_062.html
If somebody is interested, I hope so :), the complete set of pictures
is available here : http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/
> Portraits are about eyes.
True, but not only for me ;)
The eyes not looking the camera introduce a dimension of "shame",
and some times a bit of privacy, which I really love in portraiture.
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Daniel ROCHA
> > All taken with a 50mm not so close.
> Could be possible with the 80, but maybe it will be useful to buy
> closeup extension-ring(s).
Could it will be more convenient to use a macro lens ?
the 90/4 Macro
> > I also appreciate a lot, close up portrait, like this pictures :
> > http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_067.html
> > http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_079.html
>
> For such photos you'll need the rings, at least the 9mm and maybe the
> 17mm.
Oh ok... Extension tubes can be a solution too, but I'm afraid about the
use of them...
> I don't have the 90mm, but I heard just the very best of it - at
> infinite as well.
Oh very interesting ! The 90mm seems to be the perfect lens. But his
price will probably not be compatible with my first buy budget ! :)
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Daniel ROCHA
> I use a Rollei with a 2.8/80 lens for portraits. However,
> my Rollei is about 50 years old and has two lenses ;-)
Good old tool ! ;)
> You should really get different lenses for portraiture. I use
> the TLR for shots like your first examples, and a RB with
> the 180mm lens for tighter shots. This translates to about
> 150mm for 6x6.
My idea is to replace the "different lenses for portraiture" by
just one lens, a macro lens !
For framing more tighter I can buy a longer focal lens, but due to the
fact of the minimal focusing distance (bigger than with 35mm
photography) I doubt (I'm open to discussion) of the utility of a 150mm
for example.
In my opinion a macro lens can frame "normal" portrait and also replace
a long lens for close portraiture.
In 35mm my favorite lenses are my 50/1,4 and 105/2,8 Macro !
With bot I can do all kind of portraits that I want !
For example :
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_113.html
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_075.html
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_121.html
:)
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Daniel ROCHA
> On this page there are some images that could be described as
> portraits, all shots were taken with 80mm on a Rollei. (For this
> series the F2.8 speed was a consideration, some were even shot on
> 1600asa too....)
>
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/smak/smakpersonal.html
wow ! I liked very much the pictures ! great work !
Sincerely...
> I have heard good things about the 90mm apo, but have never used it.
> I own the 120mm (macro) and it is excellent also for general
> photography.
About the 120mm. The focusing distance is about ??
My wish when I use a macro lens is to not worry about the distance
between me and my model.
> But if you want to buy only 1 lens, get the 80mm. It's
> compact, fast F2.8, excellent quality, and versatile. You can always
> later buy an extension-tube.
I'm not convinced about that... I can't do close up portrait with a
80/2,8 wich focus at 0,80 m ! And I like it very much :)
With a 80/2,8 I can do such pictures :
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_075.html
But not this one for example :
http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/daniella_183.html
or even more close...
But the issue too, is of course the money. A macro lens is
expansive, and I'll probably buy in first a 80/2,8 lens !
> PS: your 24x36 slides will never look the same again, lying next to
> the 6x6cm slides on your lightbox...
> ;-)
Mmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhh... thanks Lourens... I'm very excited
by the 6x6 you know... :)
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Laurent Wirmer
> the 90/4 Macro
Sure, but it is much more expensive...
>>For such photos you'll need the rings, at least the 9mm and maybe the
>>17mm.
>
> Oh ok... Extension tubes can be a solution too, but I'm afraid about the
> use of them...
Look here: 80mm without = infinite to 1:9
80mm + 9mm = 1:9 to 1:4.4
80mm + 17mm = 1:4.7 to 1:3
80mm + both = 1:3 to 1:2.3
I expect that you don't need to change too often. Working with the 9mm
tube gives you already a good area for many things.
Laurent Wirmer
> the 120mm. With the 90mm, yes, it focuses to about 2:1, so your subject
> will be about 12x12cm in that case. (that should do it...)
That means 1:2, not 2:1.
Martin Jangowski
>> You should really get different lenses for portraiture. I use
>> the TLR for shots like your first examples, and a RB with
>> the 180mm lens for tighter shots. This translates to about
>> 150mm for 6x6.
> My idea is to replace the "different lenses for portraiture" by
> just one lens, a macro lens !
> For framing more tighter I can buy a longer focal lens, but due to the
> fact of the minimal focusing distance (bigger than with 35mm
> photography) I doubt (I'm open to discussion) of the utility of a 150mm
> for example.
> In my opinion a macro lens can frame "normal" portrait and also replace
> a long lens for close portraiture.
It depends on the camera. The RB has a 43mm bellows builtin, this is
enough for real tight head shots with the 180mm lens. Only for
shots that shows only one eye etc. you'll need a macro lens
or a extension ring. The idea with a medium length macro lens is
ok, I'm just looking for a 140mm macro for the RB.
However, there is one small problem with macro lenses for
portraiture... they are extraordinary sharp. Not everyone
likes to see every minute detail in his/her face.
Martin
Daniel ROCHA
Oh... !
> With the 90mm, the problem can be that you have to be so close that
> you will influence the lighting on the subject; also, some models
> could be a bit intimidated, and find it difficult to relax...the
> camera will be so close that it can not be ignored.
The main concern can be the light :)
> without accessories you can not even do a real close-up portrait with
> the 120mm. With the 90mm, yes, it focuses to about 2:1, so your
> subject will be about 12x12cm in that case. (that should do it...)
yes, 1:2 it's why I consider the 90/4 over the 120. The price is so high
that I can't imagine buying such lens when I'll bought my 6008 integral
used !
> the 9 or 17mm extension tube is not cheap, but the 80mm+ET9 ring is a
> lot less expensive than the 90mm lens...
Right. It's a solution too. But I'm very hesitating about ext. tubes due
to the fact that I can't focus at infinite with it, and I like to change
shooting distance when I do portrait... Can't comment... :)
> For closeups (not
> specifically portraits) I typically would use the 17mm ring with the
> 120mm, because that lens extends about 17mm, so it is more or less
> continuous from infinity to close-up, with only 1 accessory.
Very interesting... Very... the 120 with the 17mm ring can give 1:2 too
?
> For the
> 80mm lens, buying the 9mm ring will be more practical I think. For
> very close portraits I actually prefer the 250mm, mainly because of
> the perspective, and also the working-distance; I haven't done many
> close-up portraits though. ;-)
The 250mm focus at only 2,5m ! It's so far ! I like very much close up
portraits :)
Daniel ROCHA
> portraiture... they are extraordinary sharp. Not everyone
> likes to see every minute detail in his/her face.
Right ! :)
For the moment the question is about the gear, after... ;)
Laurent Wirmer
>>specifically portraits) I typically would use the 17mm ring with the
>>120mm, because that lens extends about 17mm, so it is more or less
>>continuous from infinity to close-up, with only 1 accessory.
>
> Very interesting... Very... the 120 with the 17mm ring can give 1:2 too?
AFAIK you can get to 1:3,5 with the 17mm ring.
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Daniel ROCHA
It's interesting for close up portraiture !
> with close-up portraits you add a ring, and then you also have to be
> closer than 2,5m...
Yeah :)
But with a macro lens you can do the same than this conbination for
close up portrait and making pictures generally done with a classical
lens !
Daniel ROCHA
> is a similar lens for 24x36. It's a great replacement for the normal
> 50mm lens, you can do a lot with it.
> ;-)
It's exactly what I'm watching for a macro lens for my coming soon
Rollei 6x6 SLR :)
But... ;)