Rollei 6008 vs Hassy 503
Henry Krzciuk
Hassy and a Rollei. Both had Zeiss lenses. Now the Rollei has some other
lens.
Any comments on the image qualities of these two alternatives.
Thanks.
Schatzie
f/4 is second only to the 50mm Summicron in my estimation. The 150
Schneider has the resolving power and contrast of a 35mm lens.
If you are going to buy mostly new equipment, the Rollei is a very good
choice with it's metering, ability to bracket, motor drive, exchangeable
backs etc. That being said, the Rollei has a pretty thin after-market --
their isn't that much used stuff for sale and prices fetch close to new.
I am very happy with a 6008i and 6003.
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Andre Souroujon
bought hasselblad. The reasons are simple :
I can rent anything I want whenever and wherever(ditto servicing)
The hasselblad is much more durable .
You can take the hassy along with a lens just about anywhere like a 35mm,
the rollei is more heavy and bulky and noisy.
You never have to travel with the awful charger (if you just carry extra
batteries you're asking for it).
The 503 CW/winder combo is actually easier to handhold and uses AA's. (not
to mention that you can actually take it off)
The company is going to go out of business if they keep on selling as badly
as they do (who cares if they sell in Germany)
The "famed" schneider 150 is really lousy (lots and lots of flare) IMO
Autoexposure is not really useful without matrix metering ( rollei has just
a six-segment centerweighted meter, there are no algorithms )
The only thing I now miss of the rollei is the higher framing rate (.8 vs
2.5 FPS). But I can live with it.
To anyone thinking of buying a Rollei : just think that you will not be able
to rent _anywhere_ the following lenses: 30 fisheye , 40mm , 90 macro,110 ,
300 etc .
So unless you buy the whole shebang in case you need any of those lenses you
are screwed. And if you can afford all of those lenses then you are likely a
dotcom millionaire that hasn't checked the value of his/her options lately.
David d
Schatzie
photodo.com which confirm my view. Perhaps you should have used the lens
shade. (pfffffft)
The Rollei is durable indeed. I've taken mine through China, Burma
(Myanmar), Cambodia, India from stem to stern (as well as the Southwest US,
Belgium, Holland, France, UK, Italy with no ill effects). I've dropped the
thing from 6 feet with no problem. I will grant you the fact that there is
a design flaw in the charger relating to an RFI choke, but this is minor and
easily remedied. The battery pack has a lot more staying power than AA's, if
you have to, it is easily rebuilt.
Did you take care to learn how to use the metering on the 6008i ?
Have you tried to use a Hassy near salt water?
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Craig Jaffe
recommendations for a lab that has good customer service and does a great
job with film at a fair price??
thanks,
cj
Craig Jaffe
dvd d
jdwa...@home.com wrote on 5/7/01 10:35 PM:
> I've tested the 150mmm. It's a fabulous lens. Check out the MTF results at
> photodo.com which confirm my view. Perhaps you should have used the lens
> shade. (pfffffft)
>
I did use the lens shade which BTW is too short for that lens compared to
hassy. Also I use this famed lens to shoot in a studio against a white
backdrop and I had poor, low contrast results (but very sharp)
I did learn how to use the metering system and I found it useful ,
especially the spot meter. However the new PME45 prism has that too.
Overall IMO Rollei is a well designed camera no doubt but it has won very,
very few converts in the US which affects it's practicality and operability.
ssd
jps
Developing negs or transparencies, b&w or color, enlargements?
jps
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Craig Jaffe
B&W. The prints from transparencies were often washed out also. The prints
were not cut correctly and so everything had to be re-cut and many
re-printed. Cameras West has done a nice job but the turn-around time was
almost 2weeks and this is unacceptable. The Film Stop is hit or miss and
they charge much more than they are worth. Further, it seems that their
rates vary every time I have been there. I'm thinking of trying Moon Photo
or going back to Ivey Seright (despite the fact they treat their
"non-professional" clients like dirt.
I'm finishing a roll of B/W now and plan to shoot some 120 color neg film
next. Any feedback is very helpful. The shop in Mukilteo has been
recommended to me by other professionals and I may check them out.
thanks,
craig
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Christopher Bush
the nicest people you will find and do an amazing job. I think their number
is 206 547 5447.
--
Christopher Bush
http://www.christopherbush.com
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jps
Seright. Used them lots in the past but mostly for 120 color negs and
transparencies. It's hard to beat their turnaround time and pricing seems
reasonable. Haven't used them for printing as I do my own.
I do have a similar feeling about both Glazers (camera store) and Ivey
Seright catering to pros. They're a little cold. Like Christopher
suggested, ProLab also has a good reputation and perhaps (being Fremont
folks) they lack the snotty 'tude.
jps
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jps
Seright. Used them lots in the past but mostly for 120 color negs and
transparencies. It's hard to beat their turnaround time and pricing seems
reasonable. Haven't used them for printing as I do my own.
I do have a similar feeling about both Glazers (camera store) and Ivey
Seright catering to pros. They're a little cold. Like Christopher
suggested, ProLab also has a good reputation and perhaps (being Fremont
folks) they lack the snotty 'tude.
jps
"Craig Jaffe" <cja...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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Benno Jones
Photobition (formerly Ivey-Seright), and both have done exemplary work.
I just wish they hadn't both stopped doing Ilfochrome prints.
Benno Jones
Craig Jaffe
prices. They sound like what I'm looking for. Thanks for the info.
craig
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Brian Jones
assist for prefer Panda Lab on lower Queen Anne. There prices are reasonable
for what you get. They will develop you film in any common developer they
have on hand or they will go out and get it. the hand developed and print
everything. Ivey does pretty good work. I have had a bad experience with
Prolab doing b+w but they do a good job with color.
Brian Jones
BLADHASS
>recommendations for a lab that has good customer service and does a great
>job with film at a fair price??
>
Have you tried Pacific Color by Greenlake
photography
Dennis Bialecki
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I have taken mine to mexico, Italy, and throughout the USA. The camera works
fine and I never had an need to rent or have the camera repaired. My vote is
for the rollei!
Dennis Bialecki
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Georg Bauer
Souroujon <notan...@notanaddress.com> wrote:
>The company is going to go out of business if they keep on selling as badly
>as they do (who cares if they sell in Germany)
We in Germany care. Actually there are companies around that only sell
in Germany and still survive. Don't think that Rollei will go away just
because the sellers outside .de are not capable of really selling ...
And regarding the 6008: get the power adaptor and you can connect
standard batteries, since you can connect 12V - 18V power deliveries,
you can use even lithium blocks (and those can be carried around without
worrying wether they drain out before you happen to use them). Of course
the power dependency is the main problem of the 6008 - without power
there are no photos. But it isn't as bad as you put it.
It (the 6008) has one annoying feature, though, that should be taken
into account: the 6008 pro only meters up from 2 EV, the 6008 integral
up from 0 EV. A metering cell that works up from -2 EV would be much
better, especially if you take photos at dusk or dawn or under other
bad-light situations. I hate it much more to be forced to take another
metering device than I dislike the additional power cell I have to take
with me.
bye, Georg
John Halliwell
<g...@f-2.org> writes
>In article <B71CA1DA.6757%notan...@notanaddress.com>, Andre
>Souroujon <notan...@notanaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>The company is going to go out of business if they keep on selling as badly
>>as they do (who cares if they sell in Germany)
>
>We in Germany care. Actually there are companies around that only sell
>in Germany and still survive. Don't think that Rollei will go away just
>because the sellers outside .de are not capable of really selling ...
All interested in MF photography should care, nothing to do with their
undoubted history/reputation but because they do things differently and
have some real good products (even some reasonable prices).
>And regarding the 6008: get the power adaptor and you can connect
>standard batteries, since you can connect 12V - 18V power deliveries,
>you can use even lithium blocks (and those can be carried around without
>worrying wether they drain out before you happen to use them). Of course
>the power dependency is the main problem of the 6008 - without power
>there are no photos. But it isn't as bad as you put it.
Which batteries does this allow? I'm really interested in the 6008i, the
Nicds are the only concern I really have. If I could satisfy myself
power isn't a problem, I'd probably buy one.
I have the Rollei 6000 System catalogue, but can't find any mention of a
'power adapter' (only the 'external battery connector' for taking the
Nicd battery external for cold weather shooting).
Can the car charger lead power the camera directly without the Nicd
battery?
--
John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
Photos at http://www.photopia.demon.co.uk
Georg Bauer
<jo...@photopia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Which batteries does this allow? I'm really interested in the 6008i, the
>Nicds are the only concern I really have. If I could satisfy myself
>power isn't a problem, I'd probably buy one.
It's only an adaptor - you put 12V-18V in and the gizmo converts to
internally 10V. You can connect anything you like.
>I have the Rollei 6000 System catalogue, but can't find any mention of a
>'power adapter' (only the 'external battery connector' for taking the
>Nicd battery external for cold weather shooting).
Hmm. The "external battery connector" is something _I_ don't know about
- the power adaptor is for the body or the Lensecontrol (don't know
wether it is for the Mastercontrol, too). I just asked my local dealer
and he said it is still in the current list of Rollei equipment. Maybe
you can find out more by checking with an authorized Rollei dealer? I
don't have the part numbers, but there was some mentioning of it on the
Rollei list recently.
>Can the car charger lead power the camera directly without the Nicd
>battery?
Don't know, but it might be that both are the same tool - for when using
the car power, you usually have 12V up to 18V, depending on your
batteries ...
Oh, it is not cheap - around here it is about the price of 2 1/2
batteries ...
Georg Bauer
In article <K5gCGXA8jo$6E...@photopia.demon.co.uk>, John Halliwell
<jo...@photopia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I have the Rollei 6000 System catalogue, but can't find any mention of a
>'power adapter' (only the 'external battery connector' for taking the
>Nicd battery external for cold weather shooting).
I now have part numbers, thanks to Rollei:
Power Adapter Ident-Nr 30 017
Battery Box Ident-Nr 30 036
These two together allow you to put Lithium batteries in the box and
connect that to your power adapter and run your 6008 from lithiums. And
it should be easy to connect any other power source to the adapter, it
only needs 12V to 16V with min. 200 mA.
For stational use there's a power supply or a connector for car
batteries. And something called "Einhell Mobile Energiestation", that
looks like a high-power lead battery with a grip to carry around.
John Halliwell
<g...@f-2.org> writes
>I now have part numbers, thanks to Rollei:
>
>Power Adapter Ident-Nr 30 017
>Battery Box Ident-Nr 30 036
>
>These two together allow you to put Lithium batteries in the box and
>connect that to your power adapter and run your 6008 from lithiums. And
>it should be easy to connect any other power source to the adapter, it
>only needs 12V to 16V with min. 200 mA.
>
>For stational use there's a power supply or a connector for car
>batteries. And something called "Einhell Mobile Energiestation", that
>looks like a high-power lead battery with a grip to carry around.
Thanks, I'll look into them a bit more.
dvd d
> These two together allow you to put Lithium batteries in the box and
> connect that to your power adapter and run your 6008 from lithiums. And
> it should be easy to connect any other power source to the adapter, it
> only needs 12V to 16V with min. 200 mA.
Sounds like this is a very practical thing, especially in the field (don't
trip now!)
>
> For stational use there's a power supply or a connector for car
> batteries. And something called "Einhell Mobile Energiestation", that
> looks like a high-power lead battery with a grip to carry around.
>
>
Even better! I'm sure you can also jump start your car battery with it too!
This just proves my earlier point that rollei 600x are really not great
field cameras because their Achilles heel ( more like leg ) is their power
supply. Frankly, I would never want to buy anything that powers my camera
with a name like "Einhell Mobile Energiestation". Just the name scares me.
2CR5 or AA will do fine, thank you.
Richard Fateman
dvd d wrote:
>
>. Frankly, I would never want to buy anything that powers my camera
> with a name like "Einhell Mobile Energiestation". Just the name scares me.
> 2CR5 or AA will do fine, thank you.
An extra Rollei 6000 battery costs about $120 (used to be $95...)
from B&H, and can be recharged repeatedly. (Quick charge in 15 minutes,
I think).
2CR5 batteries ($10 ? each, non-rechargeable) are ultimately rather
expensive. My Canon Elan eats them up.
A fully charged Rollei can go for many rolls on one battery; I
personally
don't know how many because I've never exhausted one.
As for AA or AAA batteries, I gather they don't have adequate power
output for the task. This is too bad.
While I have heard people object to the Rollei being battery powered,
and to the specific batteries, I don't know that the objections have
ever been voiced by Rollei owners. After all the "advanced" Hasselblad
cameras also have batteries; one must judge the usefulness of having
shutter
speeds electronically governed (up to 1/1000 sec), and to use TTL
metering, etc.
vs. the all-mechanical or nearly-all mechanical viewpoint, and the
prospect of finding yourself without electricity somewhere.
The real problems with Rollei SLRs are those
shared by competing SLR cameras:
(a) heavy weight.
(b) heavy and expensive lenses
(c) expensive accessories
(d) film not always available/processing inconvenient
If you want a reliable mechanical medium-format travel camera,
rangefinder cameras are a more plausible design.
John Halliwell
<fat...@cs.berkeley.edu> writes
>While I have heard people object to the Rollei being battery powered,
>and to the specific batteries, I don't know that the objections have
>ever been voiced by Rollei owners. After all the "advanced" Hasselblad
>cameras also have batteries; one must judge the usefulness of having
>shutter
>speeds electronically governed (up to 1/1000 sec), and to use TTL
>metering, etc.
It's not a battery Vs mechanical argument, but battery Vs custom
rechargeable battery. I have a battery dependant Mamiya 645 SV kit,
using a 4LR44 battery and a 2CR5 for the winder. I'm quite happy when
travelling to take several spare batteries of both types with me (along
with a manual crank handle), something I'd be reluctant to do with a
Rollei because the rechargeables do discharge on their own over time.
>vs. the all-mechanical or nearly-all mechanical viewpoint, and the
>prospect of finding yourself without electricity somewhere.
> The real problems with Rollei SLRs are those
>shared by competing SLR cameras:
The Rollei has the additional problem of having to cart around a heavy
charger, batteries and perhaps also voltage convertors and international
plugs and access to a power supply.
For a lot of photographers it's not going to be a problem, but I
couldn't justify buying a camera I'm wary about travelling with. Just
another worry I'd rather not have.
Georg Bauer
<notan...@notanaddress.com> wrote:
>Sounds like this is a very practical thing, especially in the field (don't
>trip now!)
Sure. I suppose you trip over your walkman earplug line, too, when
walking/jogging. You must have a very painfull life ...