Portrait of the average American voter...
Mark˛
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I don't think that gentle creature would vote war criminals into office
- twice!
helensi...@hotmail.com
Lol......cute shot of baby gorilla.
helensi...@hotmail.com
Little guy probably has more compassion and intelligence as well!
Kinon O'Cann
wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this lunatic and
his band of thugs.
Raphael Bustin
I wish it were so. But Boy Genius and
Turd Blossom can still do a good deal of
damage.
Let's hope none of the Supreme Court
justices kick off or decide to retire between
now and Jan 20, 2009.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Richard Polhill
>
> I wish it were so. But Boy Genius and
> Turd Blossom can still do a good deal of
> damage.
Very OT this.
But I had to ask: 'Turd Blossom'?
Raphael Bustin
It's Dubya's own nickname for Karl Rove.
You haven't been paying attention, have you?
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Richard Polhill
> It's Dubya's own nickname for Karl Rove.
>
> You haven't been paying attention, have you?
To what? I haven't read all of this thread, no.
I don't pay a lot of attention to US news either.
But I do know that the Conservative party are drafting their immigration
policy that outlines how they will control the number of economic immigrants
from outside the EU. And I do wonder how we can stem the flow of economic
immigrants INSIDE the EU when we have no common monetary policy.
But I suspect you haven't been paying attention to this.
William Graham
"Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
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> Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I only
> wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this lunatic
> and his band of thugs.
>
with you........Where is the famous liberal compassion for the poor and the
downtrodden that I learned to live with during the 60's? - You guys have
become hard as ice. That compassion justified your stupidity during those
turbulent times.....I can remember my brother-in-law saying, "Well, it's
hard to argue with people who love their fellow man so much." - I wonder
what he would say if he were alive today?
William Graham
"Richard Polhill" <richar...@polhill.vispa.invalid> wrote in message
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Yeah.....I guess we'll just have to suffer along with our 4.5% unemployment
rate and 12 thousand plus Dow for another two years.......
Richard Polhill
>
>
> Yeah.....I guess we'll just have to suffer along with our 4.5% unemployment
> rate and 12 thousand plus Dow for another two years.......
>
>
Thanks William, whatever. My point was I was being chastised for not
knowing something that may well be all over the news in the US but, the
Internet being international some of us may not know. How much knowledge
of UK politics does rafe have?
TBH I wasn't saying I really cared that much about the story I
mentioned, it was just used to highlight that US != the World and that
you can't expect a correspondant to be fully aware of your local news,
no matter how well it is known locally.
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Kinon O'Cann
"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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William, don't forget that this guy has NEVER vetoed a spending bill,
increase the size of government by magnificent proportions, and has
increased the national debt to nearly $9 Trillion! He's a classic
big-government big spending liberal president.
And the Dow has nothing to do with him, it's IN SPITE of him.
>
>
William Graham
"Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
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anything different? All presidents, (and politicians in general) are very
good at spending other people's money.....Yours and mine......
rafe b
>
> "Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
> news:IAF4h.27$0s...@bos-service2b.ext.ray.com...
>> Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I only
>> wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this lunatic
>> and his band of thugs.
>>
> There are two million dead Iraqis who, if they could speak, might disagree
> with you........Where is the famous liberal compassion for the poor and
> the downtrodden that I learned to live with during the 60's?
What's your point about the two million dead Iraqis?
Even granting that number (which I'm surprised you
bring up in the first place.)
You think they owe something to Dubya? You think
they died (and are dying) for a worthy cause?
My compassion hasn't gone anywhere. War is stupid,
plain and simple. You'd think mankind would have
figured that out by now. But then, war still means
big $$$$ if you're in the right business. And that's
why we still have 'em.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Kinon O'Cann
2 million Iraqis? Please prove this. Since the invasion, we've caused the
death of over 600K Iraqis.
Bottom line, Hussein wasn't our problem, but we say fit to destabilize an
entire region over the moron. Sorry, Bush is the worst president in our
history. He has completely failed to learn from history and has led this
country into another Viet Nam type quagmire. Back then, as you remember, the
government told us we were there because of "stepping stone theory." Let one
country fall, and more will follow. Guess what? Thirty years later,
Westmorland, McNamara and all say "oops, sorry." How many more of our
servicemen will die and how long will it take for the apology this time?
>
>
William Graham
"rafe b" <ra...@foobar.com> wrote in message
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>
> "William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ap-dnSZX7LN1_s7Y...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
>> news:IAF4h.27$0s...@bos-service2b.ext.ray.com...
>>> Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I only
>>> wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this lunatic
>>> and his band of thugs.
>>>
>> There are two million dead Iraqis who, if they could speak, might
>> disagree with you........Where is the famous liberal compassion for the
>> poor and the downtrodden that I learned to live with during the 60's?
>
>
> What's your point about the two million dead Iraqis?
My point is that Saddam Hussein managed to do in that many people over the
last 30 years. This puts him in the Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin category.
Getting rid of him was a very good thing, and Bush did that.
>
> Even granting that number (which I'm surprised you
> bring up in the first place.)
Why are you surprised that I figured out that Saddam killed that many
people? I used simple math and a National Geographic, "Atlas of the Middle
East" to get my statistics.....It was a very simple calculation.
>
> You think they owe something to Dubya? You think
> they died (and are dying) for a worthy cause?
Apparently, we ae talking about two different groups of people. I am talking
about the Iraqi's that Saddam Hussein managed to kill over the thirty year
period in which he was in charge of the Iraqi government.
>
> My compassion hasn't gone anywhere. War is stupid,
> plain and simple. You'd think mankind would have
> figured that out by now.
Did you think that the war against Adolf Hitler in Europe was "stupid"? Did
you think the Pacific war with Japan was "stupid?" Just what "war" are you
talking about, anyway? If you think all wars are stupid, then there is no
sense for us to continue this discussion.....We are on different
planets......
rafe b
> Did you think that the war against Adolf Hitler in Europe was "stupid"?
> Did you think the Pacific war with Japan was "stupid?" Just what "war" are
> you talking about, anyway? If you think all wars are stupid, then there is
> no sense for us to continue this discussion.....We are on different
> planets......
I see... you have to go back to World War II to find a
"good" war. Of the wars I've seen in my lifetime, there
have been no "good" ones.
Are you comparing the fiasco in Iraq to WW II?
And yes, when I read your initial post I was wondering
why you were so concerned about Iraqi lives.
I should have guessed that your concern (for Iraqi mortality)
ended in March 2003.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
William Graham
years, has changed in the last 50 years? We, "Ain't gonna fight no war no
more" because of some 1960's hippie poet?
And I don't understand what you mean by my concern for Iraqi mortality
ending in March, 2003. There was no way to get rid of Saddam Hussein but to
go in there and do it. Of course he was going to waste Iraqi lives trying to
defend himself....That's what war is all about. We waste police lives trying
to catch people like Jeffrey Dahmer, too. Do you suggest that we shouldn't
even try, and just disband our police forces, because fighting crime is too
expensive? - It wouldn't surprise me....This is another symptom of the way
liberals think......
But you should tell me what we should do about people like Saddam
Hussein. How would you handle despots like that? Do you think we should just
bury our heads in the sand and hope they go away? - Or wait until they land
their longboats on our shores, and then mobilize against them? - This didn't
even work in the 8th century, much less the 20th. Can't you understand that
we are living in a world where any two-bit dictator can build an atom bomb,
load it on an intercontinental missile, and drop it on New York City on
Christmas eve and kill over 2 million people with it? People like Saddam
Hussein wouldn't be any more dangerous if they lived in the house next door
to you.......
rafe b
> But you should tell me what we should do about people like Saddam
> Hussein. How would you handle despots like that?
Who sez it's the job of the USA to rid the world of despots?
Who gives us the right (or wisdom) to judge who's a despot and
who's not? We have zero credibility in that department.
The USA has a sad history of *supporting* some of the most
ruthless despots on the planet. Study your history, William.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
William Graham
OK. I will. - But someday, while I am studying away, there will be a
brilliant flash of light....And then, all will be darkness
forever........(at least for me and my neighbors.)
Mark˛
> sinker.
>
> Where's your Karl Rove / Lee Atwater scum tactics NOW ;)
>
> RP©
> -
> "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
> (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of
> hobgoblins; all of them imaginary."
>
> -H.L. Mencken, 1923
That's an interesting quote...especially given the date.
Surely you realize that within less than twenty years from the date of that
quote...a world war would start...end...and then be replaced by yet another,
more horrific world war.
All of them imaginary?????
-Dump the quote, and find one that's not so unbelievably and embarrassingly
wrong for its day.
William Graham
"That_Rich" <ri...@wrongaddress.net> wrote in message
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> sinker.
>
> Where's your Karl Rove / Lee Atwater scum tactics NOW ;)
>
> RP©
> -
> "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
> (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of
> hobgoblins; all of them imaginary."
>
> -H.L. Mencken, 1923
>
out to get me."
Just what are us poor republicans supposed to think when the president
of Syria says, "We are trying to obtain an atom bomb, and just as soon as we
get one, we are going to drop it on Israel."
What would you do if your neighbor down the block came to your door and
said, "I have a gun on order, and just as soon as it arrives, I am going to
load it and come down here and blow you away." - So you call the police,
(the UN) and they say, "Sorry, but we can't do anything until he commits the
crime".
I'm sorry guys, but you haven't convinced me.....All I can do now, is
hope you are right, and continue to vote for the meanest SOB on the block
whenever I get the chance.....Bush, apparently, wasn't near mean
enough........
William Graham
"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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don't need a world class leader to start your wars.....Any two-bit religious
nut can gather the wherewithal to wipe out a whole American city of several
million people. - And they call me a nut.........
Raphael Bustin
number here)@cox..net> wrote:
-H.L. Mencken, 1923
>
>That's an interesting quote...especially given the date.
>Surely you realize that within less than twenty years from the date of that
>quote...a world war would start...end...and then be replaced by yet another,
>more horrific world war.
>All of them imaginary?????
>-Dump the quote, and find one that's not so unbelievably and embarrassingly
>wrong for its day.
The "funny" thing is that the threats with the greatest
potential harm don't get much airtime at all these days --
Climate change, rising oceans, global water shortages,
deforestation, peak oil, pandemics, out-of-control population
growth, nuclear proliferation, die-off of fish and marine
species.
Instead we're supposed to fear terrorists, gays,
flag-burners, and uppity women.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Mark˛
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:16:54 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
> number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
> -H.L. Mencken, 1923
>>
>> That's an interesting quote...especially given the date.
>> Surely you realize that within less than twenty years from the date
>> of that quote...a world war would start...end...and then be replaced
>> by yet another, more horrific world war.
>> All of them imaginary?????
>> -Dump the quote, and find one that's not so unbelievably and
>> embarrassingly wrong for its day.
>
>
> The "funny" thing is that the threats with the greatest
> potential harm don't get much airtime at all these days --
>
> Climate change, rising oceans, global water shortages,
> deforestation, peak oil, pandemics, out-of-control population
> growth, nuclear proliferation, die-off of fish and marine
> species.
You must not have a radio, television, newspaper or the internet!
-That's ALL OVER the place! It's all we hear!!
My nephew brought a flyer home from school today with a HUGE heading
at the top which read, "SAVE THE EARTH!!"
You know what it was a flyer for???
-Giving your used ink-jet cartridges to some company for recycling.
I have nothing against recycling...but it irks me to see such ridiculously
overstated come-ons like this.
They apparently think elementary kids/parents are stupid, and are trying to
cater to that stupidity.
> Instead we're supposed to fear terrorists, gays,
> flag-burners, and uppity women.
I think it's time for you to find another news source, Rafe.
<g>
William Graham
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:16:54 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
> number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
> as well. Dump your blind Bush republicanism and take the quote for
> what it really means.
>
> RP©
> -
> Have another quote, yet even older than the previous that pays tribute
> to the Bush regime and it's followers.....
> -
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -Benjamin Franklin-
Well, I sure hope you guys are right....the problem is, you are asking me to
bet my life on it........
William Graham
"Raphael Bustin" <ra...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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about the terrorists.....After all, 9-11 really did happen, you know........
William Graham
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:43:37 -0800, "William Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>I'm sorry guys, but you haven't convinced me.....All I can do now, is
>>hope you are right, and continue to vote for the meanest SOB on the block
>>whenever I get the chance.....Bush, apparently, wasn't near mean
>>enough........
>
It won't matter....Everyone is going to vote for Hillary......On the other
hand, maybe she will turn out to be the meanest SOB on the block.......
Raphael Bustin
wrote:
>Well, I sure hope you guys are right....the problem is, you are asking me to
>bet my life on it........
You wimpering coward, you. Where's that Republican
macho bluster? In the face of Osama, you turn to into jello.
You may find it interesting that the denizens of Manhattan --
who actually suffered the most from 9/11 -- are overwhelmingly
opposed to "Dear Leader's" efforts to protect them.
There are about a thousand things that concern me far
more than the next terrorist attack on my home town.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Joseph Kewfi
> brilliant flash of light....And then, all will be darkness
> forever........(at least for me and my neighbors.)
Joseph Goebbels stated: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only
for such time as the State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the
truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is
the greatest enemy of the State."
Hermann Goering's words still ring true: ". All you have to do is to tell
them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country."
"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Annika1980
William Graham wrote:
> > > The USA has a sad history of *supporting* some of the most
> > ruthless despots on the planet. Study your history, William.
>
> OK. I will. - But someday, while I am studying away, there will be a
> brilliant flash of light....And then, all will be darkness
> forever........(at least for me and my neighbors.)
Not as long as we have Jack Bauer to protect us.
Joseph Kewfi
> hand, maybe she will turn out to be the meanest SOB on the block.......
I already thought she was the meanest SOB on the block, considering her poor
husband had to get head from his fat secretary and all.
"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Joseph Kewfi
> immediately, it's now. Clinton lies about a blowjob and gets
> impeached. Bush lies, and 100,000 people die.
That's puritanical America for you, war is fine, sex is taboo.
"Ken Tough" <k...@objectech.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Kinon O'Cann <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote:
>
>>Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I only
>>wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this lunatic
>>and
>>his band of thugs.
>
> Though you didn't so much fire him as take away his company credit card.
>
> If there was ever a case for impeachment proceedings to start
> immediately, it's now. Clinton lies about a blowjob and gets
> impeached. Bush lies, and 100,000 people die.
>
>
> --
> Ken Tough
>
Mark˛
> Kinon O'Cann <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote:
>
>> Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I
>> only wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this
>> lunatic and his band of thugs.
>
> Though you didn't so much fire him as take away his company credit
> card.
>
> If there was ever a case for impeachment proceedings to start
> immediately, it's now. Clinton lies about a blowjob and gets
> impeached. Bush lies, and 100,000 people die.
Being wrong doesn't make one a liar.
Ken Tough
>Ken Tough wrote:
>> Kinon O'Cann <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote:
>>
>>> Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I
>>> only wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this
>>> lunatic and his band of thugs.
>>
>> Though you didn't so much fire him as take away his company credit
>> card.
>>
>> If there was ever a case for impeachment proceedings to start
>> immediately, it's now. Clinton lies about a blowjob and gets
>> impeached. Bush lies, and 100,000 people die.
>Being wrong doesn't make one a liar.
There were deliberate lies in the lead-up/spin-up to the Iraq
invasion, including the utter and completely fabricated rubbish
about Iraq trying to obtain nuclear "yellow cake" materials from
Niger. [There was obviously a lot more, but this is something
which is proven to have been known to be wrong, yet used in
speeches to the Nation/Congress/UN].
White House 'warned over Iraq claim'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3056626.stm
The CIA warned the US Government that claims about Iraq's nuclear
ambitions were not true months before President Bush used them to
make his case for war, the BBC has learned.
[...]
To everyone's benefit, the internet means it's harder these days
for spiders to escape from their tangled webs.
--
Ken Tough
Mark˛
Bush makes no bones about the fact that he relies heavily on those around
him.
Certainly there are liars in Washington, and in both parties. I'm not
convinced GWB is one of them...though he may well have become the mouthpiece
of some.
William Graham
way......If there are enough people, you feel the safety of numbers.....Let
the predators eat someone else..........
William Graham
"Joseph Kewfi" <f_sto...@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
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>> OK. I will. - But someday, while I am studying away, there will be a
>> brilliant flash of light....And then, all will be darkness
>> forever........(at least for me and my neighbors.)
>
> Joseph Goebbels stated: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating
> it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained
> only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political,
> economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
> important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
> the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth
> is the greatest enemy of the State."
>
> Hermann Goering's words still ring true: ". All you have to do is to tell
> them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
> patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
> country."
Yes. But that doesn't mean that there is never any danger of being attacked,
or that the rest of the outside world will never do you harm, just because
someone points out the danger......Not every little Dutch boy is a Hermann
Goering, There are a few who may really see a breach in the dyke......9-11
was a breach in our dyke, wasn't it? Or did I just have a bad dream that
morning.......
William Graham
"Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com> wrote in message
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just hope the story has a happy ending.....
William Graham
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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> Ken Tough wrote:
>> Kinon O'Cann <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote:
>>
>>> Give us credit; we essentially "fired" our president on Tuesday. I
>>> only wonder what took the country so damned long to catch on to this
>>> lunatic and his band of thugs.
>>
>> Though you didn't so much fire him as take away his company credit
>> card.
>>
>> If there was ever a case for impeachment proceedings to start
>> immediately, it's now. Clinton lies about a blowjob and gets
>> impeached. Bush lies, and 100,000 people die.
>
> Being wrong doesn't make one a liar.
>
John Kerry.......
DD
even number here)@cox..net> says...
> > "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
> > (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of
> > hobgoblins; all of them imaginary."
> >
> > -H.L. Mencken, 1923
>
> That's an interesting quote...especially given the date.
> Surely you realize that within less than twenty years from the date of that
> quote...a world war would start...end...and then be replaced by yet another,
> more horrific world war.
> All of them imaginary?????
> -Dump the quote, and find one that's not so unbelievably and embarrassingly
> wrong for its day.
Er, Markie boy... World War I erupted in 1914, 9 years *prior* to the
date in the signature. World War II erupted in 1939. When did this other
world war happen?
And you claim to be an educated person? Maybe you watched one too many
of your governors movies.
--
www.nikongear.com
Share, learn, win.
Raphael Bustin
number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>Bush makes no bones about the fact that he relies heavily on those around
>him.
>Certainly there are liars in Washington, and in both parties. I'm not
>convinced GWB is one of them...though he may well have become the mouthpiece
>of some.
Bullshit. The only truth in the above is that
Dubya is a mouthpiece for the evil dirtbags
with which he's surrounded himself -- Cheney,
Rumsfeld and Rove, for starters.
Dubya's only defense is that he's delusional.
Cheney and Rummy fixed the intelligence around
a policy that they'd published years before 9/11.
It's called "Project For a New American Century."
It's public info. It's the neocon workbook. Look it up.
Cheney's aide (Libby) was indicted. Do you not
recall that whole scandal? Do the names Joe
Wilson and Valerie Plame ring a bell?
Rove escaped indictment by the skin of his teeth.
Open your eyes and get a grip, Mark.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
michelo
"Joseph Kewfi" <f_sto...@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
>> If there was ever a case for impeachment proceedings to start
>> immediately, it's now. Clinton lies about a blowjob and gets
>> impeached. Bush lies, and 100,000 people die.
>
> That's puritanical America for you, war is fine, sex is taboo.
>
Yes, it always amazed me that in the evening on TV it was fine to see a
married couple where he killed her and disposed of the body. But if the same
couple was happy and were to procreate, it would be outrageous. Maybe it
would transmit better family values after all, and even solve our aging
population problem.
Michel
Walter Banks
William Graham wrote:
> You can fear the gays, flag-burners, and uppity women, but I am only worried
> about the terrorists.....After all, 9-11 really did happen, you know........
What was the Republican response to 9-11.
1) They let the leader of the attack get away
2) They let the terrorists define the US as a terrorist nation (Your enemy will define you)
3) The US started restricting the very freedoms that they were promoting
4) Failed to secure the US border in any meaningful way
5) Refused systematically inspect international commerce
6) Attacked a country that had little or nothing to do with 9-11 for a whole series of public reasons most of which have not withstood the test of truth. The widespread death and destruction in Iraq has refocused the world away from the wrongs and
horrors of 9-11. Few people outside the US understand the emotion of 9-11 to Americans, few outside the US can understand why the US is so pained by 9-11 and fail to understand effects of senseless violence in the rest of the world.
7) Paid for the war from a social security fund and provided tax relief to a small percentage of the population so the real costs will be determined and faced long after the current administration have retired
8) Inflated the dollar making the euro the dominate world currency after about a decade of use
9) The currency value is tied to a DOW average of about 12000 but has seen real devaluation by about a third
10) Corporate wholesale sold assets including IP to raise capital (Equivalent of eating the seed grain on a farm)
11) To keep prices low nationally stopped research and development.
12) Left the country addicted to oil with no plan to replace it when the well runs dry and waiting while the EU is developing and patenting the solutions to the energy supply problems later 21st century
13) Deny a cause and effect relationship over global warming.
On these issues it is unlikely the Democrats would do worse. I don't belong to any political party. From the outside looking in its a mess that needs fixing.
Mark˛
And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what again??
Kinon O'Cann
>> What's your point about the two million dead Iraqis?
>
> My point is that Saddam Hussein managed to do in that many people over the
> last 30 years. This puts him in the Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin category.
> Getting rid of him was a very good thing, and Bush did that.
>
So why aren't we going int Darfur and stopping the genocide there? Why did
Iraq merit special attention? Why not selectively topple each and every
national leader that we deem unfit to lead?
Kinon O'Cann
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:47:43 -0800, "William Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>>
>
> Karl Roves "fear and smear" campaign caught you... hook, line and
> sinker.
>
> Where's your Karl Rove / Lee Atwater scum tactics NOW ;)
Works every time, too. During the sixties, we feared communists, and were
told that due to "stepping stone theory" we had to fight them overseas or
we'd have to fight them here. As it turns out, the government was totally
full of shit, as they are now. Fear mongering works, and that's why
imbeciles like Bush and Rove gain power.
>
> RP©
> -
Kinon O'Cann
>
> "Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
> news:xYJ4h.31$0s...@bos-service2b.ext.ray.com...>> news:RMGdnRIqEuc3-c7Y...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Richard Polhill" <richar...@polhill.vispa.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:7c98d$455336bb$3e18e6cb$32...@news.vispa.com...
>>>> Raphael Bustin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's Dubya's own nickname for Karl Rove.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't been paying attention, have you?
>>>>
>>>> To what? I haven't read all of this thread, no.
>>>>
>>>> I don't pay a lot of attention to US news either.
>>>>
>>>> But I do know that the Conservative party are drafting their
>>>> immigration policy that outlines how they will control the number of
>>>> economic immigrants from outside the EU. And I do wonder how we can
>>>> stem the flow of economic immigrants INSIDE the EU when we have no
>>>> common monetary policy.
>>>>
>>>> But I suspect you haven't been paying attention to this.
>>>
>>> Yeah.....I guess we'll just have to suffer along with our 4.5%
>>> unemployment rate and 12 thousand plus Dow for another two years.......
>>
>> William, don't forget that this guy has NEVER vetoed a spending bill,
>> increase the size of government by magnificent proportions, and has
>> increased the national debt to nearly $9 Trillion! He's a classic
>> big-government big spending liberal president.
>>
>> And the Dow has nothing to do with him, it's IN SPITE of him.
>>
> I agree with all that.....But what makes you think that a Democrat would
> do anything different? All presidents, (and politicians in general) are
> very good at spending other people's money.....Yours and mine......
The issue isn't dem versus repub, it's a complete and total lack of checks
and balances! One party rule, at any level of our government is a disaster!
And with a guy like Bush, who is hopelessley uninformed, the problem is even
worse. Did you see his press conference the other day? He actually said that
he didn't know where people got the idea we had to "stay the course" in
Iraq! Of course, the night time anchors played clip after clip of him saying
the words, hundreds of times over the last several years. He's just not very
smart, not well read, and totally clueless. The dems, who are nothing to
write home about, will at least provide the much needed checks and balances
that have been missing during Bush's administration. If he doesn't get it by
now, than he's useless.
>
>
rafe b
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
news:b615h.11349
> And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what again??
Before 11/7/2006 there was no point in the Dems offering a
plan. And besides, nobody asked their opinion. The majority
party spared no effort to shut them out of the decision-
making process, at every juncture and at every level.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
rafe b
"Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
> Works every time, too. During the sixties, we feared communists, and were
> told that due to "stepping stone theory" we had to fight them overseas or
> we'd have to fight them here. As it turns out, the government was totally
> full of shit, as they are now. Fear mongering works, and that's why
> imbeciles like Bush and Rove gain power.
It was a Republican -- Dwight Eisenhower -- who
warned of the dangers of the military-industrial complex.
Here's one of my favorites:
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft
from those who hunger and are not fed, those who
are cold and are not clothed. "
It's hard to imagine -- a Republican president said that.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Joseph Kewfi
> every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft
> from those who hunger and are not fed, those who
> are cold and are not clothed. "
>
>
> It's hard to imagine -- a Republican president said that.
It's fu*king unbelievable considering the present climate Republicans have
created.
It does demonstrate a massive erosion of the values of earlier Republicans
in comparison to the current crop.
"rafe b" <ra...@foobar.com> wrote in message
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Annika1980
Just yesterday our fearless leader said he was open to ideas on Iraq.
"I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our
goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic
government succeeds," he told reporters in the Rose Garden at the White
House.
That's a good sign, I suppose, but also kinda scary. At least he
finally admits that he doesn't have a clue. Now maybe some of his
lackies like PW will admit it as well.
Since Dumbya is taking suggestions, here's a couple of mine for Bush:
1. Fire Cheney and replace him with Bill Clinton.
2. Resign.
Mark˛
In other words... They had no plan.
If they had an alternative plan, we'd have heard it.
Mark˛
> rafe b wrote:
>> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
>> news:b615h.11349
>>
>>> And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what
>>> again??
>>
>>
>> Before 11/7/2006 there was no point in the Dems offering a
>> plan. And besides, nobody asked their opinion. The majority
>> party spared no effort to shut them out of the decision-
>> making process, at every juncture and at every level.
>>
>
> Just yesterday our fearless leader said he was open to ideas on Iraq.
>
> "I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our
> goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic
> government succeeds," he told reporters in the Rose Garden at the
> White House.
>
> That's a good sign, I suppose, but also kinda scary. At least he
> finally admits that he doesn't have a clue. Now maybe some of his
> lackies like PW will admit it as well.
He's said that many many times.
The only "suggestions" made by the Dems have been insightful "plans" that
basically amount to, "This sucks."
-But when asked what they'd SPECIFICALLY do...they offered nothing.
Nothing.
Annika1980
Mark² lowest even number here wrote:
> > That's a good sign, I suppose, but also kinda scary. At least he
> > finally admits that he doesn't have a clue. Now maybe some of his
> > lackies like PW will admit it as well.
>
> He's said that many many times.
> The only "suggestions" made by the Dems have been insightful "plans" that
> basically amount to, "This sucks."
> -But when asked what they'd SPECIFICALLY do...they offered nothing.
> Nothing.
Not true. Joe Biden has a plan. Harold Ford has a plan. Murtha has a
plan.
Bush's problem is that he listens to nobody but Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz,
and Cheney.
Annika1980
> > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:47:43 -0800, "William Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >
> > Karl Roves "fear and smear" campaign caught you... hook, line and
> > sinker.
> >
> > Where's your Karl Rove / Lee Atwater scum tactics NOW ;)
The GOP scum tactics worked in the TN Senate race, but Rove can't take
credit for that.
That was Ken Mehlmann's deal. You know, the gay head of the RNC.
Mark˛
> Mark˛ lowest even number here wrote:
>>> That's a good sign, I suppose, but also kinda scary. At least he
>>> finally admits that he doesn't have a clue. Now maybe some of his
>>> lackies like PW will admit it as well.
>>
>> He's said that many many times.
>> The only "suggestions" made by the Dems have been insightful "plans"
>> that basically amount to, "This sucks."
>> -But when asked what they'd SPECIFICALLY do...they offered nothing.
>> Nothing.
>
> Not true. Joe Biden has a plan. Harold Ford has a plan. Murtha has a
> plan.
Can you please convey those specific plans? -Because I've listened to both
those men many times, and they utterly failed to convey one.
> Bush's problem is that he listens to nobody but Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz,
> and Cheney.
Perhaps.
Joseph Kewfi
>Cheney.
and Kissinger unofficially.
"Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Walter Banks
"Mark²" wrote:
> Walter Banks wrote:
>
> >
> > On these issues it is unlikely the Democrats would do worse. I don't
> > belong to any political party. From the outside looking in its a mess
> > that needs fixing.
>
> And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what again??
On Iraq Joe Biden, Harold Ford, Jim Webb, Murtha
On Heath Care Hillary Clinton
On US Debt Bill Clinton Remember fiscal responsibility where
a Government spends less than it takes in.
There has been plenty of good alternatives offered shouting over their
voices doesn't mean they haven't spoken and offered plenty of good
ideas that are not "cut and run"
Iraq goal du jour
What is it again that the US hopes to accomplish in Iraq?
What has been done?
What is left to do?
JimKramer
> > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
> > every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft
> > from those who hunger and are not fed, those who
> > are cold and are not clothed. "
> >
> >
> > It's hard to imagine -- a Republican president said that.
>
>
> It's fu*king unbelievable considering the present climate Republicans have
> created.
> It does demonstrate a massive erosion of the values of earlier Republicans
> in comparison to the current crop.
>
war gives you very different perspective. It's too bad Mr. Bush never
served... never had that perspective... maybe we wouldn't be in this
mess now.
rafe b
"Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Not true. Joe Biden has a plan. Harold Ford has a plan. Murtha has a
plan.
Bush's problem is that he listens to nobody but Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz,
and Cheney.
I'm not sure that's true, Brett.
He listens to God. And all those other voices in his head.
Of course, I'm never sure if he's really a smarmy, ignorant
fratboy, or just playing the part.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
rafe b
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> In other words... They had no plan.
> If they had an alternative plan, we'd have heard it.
Maybe if you got your news & views from someone
other than Brit Hume or someplace other than Fox,
you'd have a clue.
Here's Murtha's plan, or at least the first version
I found after five minutes with Google. This one's
dated 4/17/06.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr060407.html
Here's a shorter and earlier version, dated 11/17/05:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html
And hey, Murtha more or less answers your rhetorical
question on "why Dems don't offer their plans." Because
if a plan is given, and happens to disagree with Dear Leader's
plan, the person offering the plan is swiftboated, labeled a
traitor or "defeatocrat," and dismissed as a terrorist sympathiser.
IOW: The deck is stacked.
The Republican slime machine is poised to dump its
filth and bile on anyone who disagrees with Dear Leader.
It takes cojones to speak to power, and Murtha's got
what it takes.
By contrast, Dubya and Cheney are cowards and draft
dodgers. I think "chickenhawk" is the proper term.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
William Graham
"Raphael Bustin" <ra...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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nothing any republican president can do to prevent them from a kind of blind
hatred that is all-consuming, and totally impossible to stem. No republican
can ever do anything right to these people, and every mistake they make
becomes an evil lie, made intentionally for only the wrong reasons.
Trying to reason with people like this is a complete waste of time.
Mark˛
> "Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:OD45h.12009$3K7....@newsfe13.phx...
>
>> In other words... They had no plan.
>> If they had an alternative plan, we'd have heard it.
>
>
> Maybe if you got your news & views from someone
> other than Brit Hume or someplace other than Fox,
> you'd have a clue.
>
> Here's Murtha's plan, or at least the first version
> I found after five minutes with Google. This one's
> dated 4/17/06.
>
> http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr060407.html
Ah! I see why he hasn't spoken up about his "plan" more clearly.
Step #1 of his "plan":
Leave Iraq, and be ready to respond from outside of Iraq!!
What a joke.
Step #2:
Spend the money we would have spent on Iraq on other stuff.
Ah! So never mind earlier gripes about spending too much, or growing
governemt...we'll still spend the money...
Step #3:
Reengage by withdrawing from Iraq (?????)
Truly revealing that you see this as a legitimate "plan."
William Graham
"Walter Banks" <wal...@bytecraft.com> wrote in message
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would be a good candidate for my, "Monday Morning Quarterbacking Club." I
wonder how much MMQB-ing you will do after the next Democratic
administration is in progress.......
Mark˛
Apparently so.
I frankly posted my little gorilla picture in good fun.
I'll let them duke it out from here...
By the way... How about that portrait?
:)
-Not bad, considering I shot it THROUGH 2-inch thick, scratched glass.
Mark
William Graham
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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everything should shape up OK........I am waiting with baited breath for
Nancy Palosi's plan.........:^)
Mark˛
I'm actually relieved that the senate fell too.
Why?
Because in two years, when nothing has immproved...the Dems won't be able to
whine that "if only we had BOTH...boy THEN you'd see how great we are!"
OK. You've got both.
Time to put up all that you haven't shut up about for so long.
This should be interesting.
Same with Rumsfeld.
OK. He's out. What now, Dems?
Oops.
William Graham
either? My goodness, how could the republicans keep so many politicians
quiet? And all those talk show guest appearances.....Why did they keep their
brilliant strategies from us then too? Well, now they are free to give us
their insights. I am eagerly waiting for all the terrorists to suddenly go
away......
Mark˛
In other words... The Dem's bluff has now been called, and they now have to
come up with a winning hand when their holding a 2, 3, 4, 6, 7...non-suited.
I'd wager there are more than a few Dems thinking to themselves, " -Oh crap.
You mean we have to actually DO something??" I predeict a lot of
hand-wringing and thumb-twiddling...
William Graham
rafe b wrote:
> "Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:b615h.11349
>
> > And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what again??
>
>
> Before 11/7/2006 there was no point in the Dems offering a
> plan. And besides, nobody asked their opinion. The majority
> party spared no effort to shut them out of the decision-
> making process, at every juncture and at every level.
>
Just yesterday our fearless leader said he was open to ideas on Iraq.
"I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our
goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic
government succeeds," he told reporters in the Rose Garden at the White
House.
That's a good sign, I suppose, but also kinda scary. At least he
finally admits that he doesn't have a clue. Now maybe some of his
lackies like PW will admit it as well.
As I said above, I am breathlessly waiting for those democratic
suggestions.....but then, I don't remember hearing any during the last 4 or
5 years either.......
It's really simple. We can do either one of two things.
1. Cut and run, and leave Iraqi to it's fate.
2. Stay on and try to help their new government become viable.
that's it. - Take your pick.
Actually, I kind of like Geraldo's suggestion. Hold a national election
in Iraq. Let them decide whether we stay or not. If 51% of the Iraqi voters
say, "Americans go home", then we do.
William Graham
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
Pelosi.....I wonder if he'll hear anything......:^)
William Graham
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> rafe b wrote:
>> "Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
>> news:b615h.11349
>>
>>> And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what
>>> again??
>>
>>
>> Before 11/7/2006 there was no point in the Dems offering a
>> plan. And besides, nobody asked their opinion. The majority
>> party spared no effort to shut them out of the decision-
>> making process, at every juncture and at every level.
>
> In other words... They had no plan.
> If they had an alternative plan, we'd have heard it.
>
> --
asked, "Where's the beef?" they grew strangely silent....:^)
William Graham
>
> "Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:OD45h.12009$3K7....@newsfe13.phx...
>
>> In other words... They had no plan.
>> If they had an alternative plan, we'd have heard it.
>
>
> Maybe if you got your news & views from someone
> other than Brit Hume or someplace other than Fox,
> you'd have a clue.
>
> Here's Murtha's plan, or at least the first version
> I found after five minutes with Google. This one's
> dated 4/17/06.
>
> http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr060407.html
>
the civil war in Iraq culminates in a new Theocracy, we can blame it all on
the Democrats.....I'll go for it.
William Graham
>
>
> "Mark²" wrote:
>
>> Walter Banks wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On these issues it is unlikely the Democrats would do worse. I don't
>> > belong to any political party. From the outside looking in its a mess
>> > that needs fixing.
>>
>> And the Democrat's PLAN offered as alternative was....... what again??
>
> On Heath Care Hillary Clinton
Right. With her plan, if you were rich, and needed a heart operation, and
you hired the chief cardiologist at the Mayo clinic to do it for you, you
would be thrown in jail. (and so would the cardiologist) And my self paid
health insurance, that I scraped and saved for for 40 years would be
worthless....the Robin Hooders would trash it, and steal money from me and
give it to Hillary to pay for the poor.......And they ask me why I am a
Republican........
rafe b
"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> How convenient....And they never made any speeches on the floor of
> congress either? My goodness, how could the republicans keep so many
> politicians quiet?
See Jack Murtha. See "Swiftboat".
See Max Cleland -- Vietnam vet who lost three
limbs at Khe Sanh, and lost his Senate seat in 2002
for being "soft on terrorism."
See the fat lady at the convention, wearing a purple
bandaid on her second chin, in mockery of a *real*
war hero.
Some folks on your side, sir, have no shame. How
they can dodge the draft, and then impugn the
bravery of real soldiers -- and get away with it --
is beyond my comprehension.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
William Graham
"Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> What's your point about the two million dead Iraqis?
>>
>> My point is that Saddam Hussein managed to do in that many people over
>> the last 30 years. This puts him in the Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin
>> category. Getting rid of him was a very good thing, and Bush did that.
>>
>
> So why aren't we going int Darfur and stopping the genocide there? Why did
> Iraq merit special attention? Why not selectively topple each and every
> national leader that we deem unfit to lead?
We're not going into Darfur and stopping the genocide there because
President William E. Graham hasn't taken office yet, and at 71, he's not
likely to, either.....
"Unfit to lead" isn't the criteria.....Slaughtering several million
innocents is the criteria. (In my own personal case) But you can choose your
own criteria, and vote it too.......
rafe b
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> Same with Rumsfeld.
> OK. He's out. What now, Dems?
> Oops.
Dubya gives us Robert Gray. Same old same old.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Has a
history of doctoring the intelligence to fit the policy --
so he'll fit right in.
Look up "Iran-Contra." Look up "nearly indicted."
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
William Graham
"Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
>
> "That_Rich" <ri...@wrongaddress.net> wrote in message
> news:grg7l2h4sgpf0q411...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:47:43 -0800, "William Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Karl Roves "fear and smear" campaign caught you... hook, line and
>> sinker.
>>
>> Where's your Karl Rove / Lee Atwater scum tactics NOW ;)
I never wrote that.......You have your headers mixed up.......
William Graham
"Joseph Kewfi" <f_sto...@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
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>> "Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
>> every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft
>> from those who hunger and are not fed, those who
>> are cold and are not clothed. "
>>
>>
>> It's hard to imagine -- a Republican president said that.
>
>
> It's fu*king unbelievable considering the present climate Republicans have
> created.
> It does demonstrate a massive erosion of the values of earlier Republicans
> in comparison to the current crop.
And what did that, "Republican" president have to say about 9/11 and how to
defend ourselves against acts like that? - You know, history can only go so
far in giving us insight as to how to act....There comes a time when you
have to. "Go where no man has gone before."
William Graham
"JimKramer" <ji...@jlkramer.net> wrote in message
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years? - but you don't want to bother speculating on that, do you?
rafe b
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> In other words... The Dem's bluff has now been called, and they now have
> to come up with a winning hand when their holding a 2, 3, 4, 6,
> 7...non-suited.
> I'd wager there are more than a few Dems thinking to themselves, " -Oh
> crap. You mean we have to actually DO something??" I predeict a lot of
> hand-wringing and thumb-twiddling...
I predict they'll work on something else for a while --
something a bit less divisive. Maybe fixing medicare
or raising the minimum wage.
Let James Baker and Robert Gray take their junket
to Iraq and report back. What's the hurry? We've
already lost 3000 troops and pissed away half a trillion
dollars. The war's been on for three and a half years
now, what's another few months?
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
Mark˛
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:X865h.12016
>
>> In other words... The Dem's bluff has now been called, and they now
>> have to come up with a winning hand when their holding a 2, 3, 4, 6,
>> 7...non-suited.
>> I'd wager there are more than a few Dems thinking to themselves, "
>> -Oh crap. You mean we have to actually DO something??" I predeict a
>> lot of hand-wringing and thumb-twiddling...
>
>
> I predict they'll work on something else for a while --
> something a bit less divisive. Maybe fixing medicare
> or raising the minimum wage.
I thought this vote was about the war...and yet you're already predicting
they do...
...NOTHING.
At least we can agree on something...
> Let James Baker and Robert Gray take their junket
> to Iraq and report back. What's the hurry? We've
> already lost 3000 troops and pissed away half a trillion
> dollars. The war's been on for three and a half years
> now, what's another few months?
Listen to yourself with even a touch of objectivity, Rafe, and you'll begin
to feel very silly very quickly.
rafe b
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> I thought this vote was about the war...and yet you're already predicting
> they do...
> ...NOTHING.
I have no crystal ball. The power doesn't really change
for another couple of months. Dubya still has the veto.
If the Dems manage to pull of a couple of small domestic
wins before tackling Iraq, that's fine with me.
Believe it or not, Iraq isn't the only thing that Dubya's
managed to fuck up in his six years.
In fact, can you please tell me what he's touched
that he *hasn't* fucked up? Katrina? Social
Security? Medicare? Your civil rights?
rafe b
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William Graham
"Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
>>
>> "Kinon O'Cann" <some...@over.the.rainbow> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> "Richard Polhill" <richar...@polhill.vispa.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:7c98d$455336bb$3e18e6cb$32...@news.vispa.com...
>>>>> Raphael Bustin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's Dubya's own nickname for Karl Rove.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You haven't been paying attention, have you?
>>>>>
>>>>> To what? I haven't read all of this thread, no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't pay a lot of attention to US news either.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I do know that the Conservative party are drafting their
>>>>> immigration policy that outlines how they will control the number of
>>>>> economic immigrants from outside the EU. And I do wonder how we can
>>>>> stem the flow of economic immigrants INSIDE the EU when we have no
>>>>> common monetary policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I suspect you haven't been paying attention to this.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah.....I guess we'll just have to suffer along with our 4.5%
>>>> unemployment rate and 12 thousand plus Dow for another two years.......
>>>
>>> William, don't forget that this guy has NEVER vetoed a spending bill,
>>> increase the size of government by magnificent proportions, and has
>>> increased the national debt to nearly $9 Trillion! He's a classic
>>> big-government big spending liberal president.
>>>
>>> And the Dow has nothing to do with him, it's IN SPITE of him.
>>>
>> I agree with all that.....But what makes you think that a Democrat would
>> do anything different? All presidents, (and politicians in general) are
>> very good at spending other people's money.....Yours and mine......
>
> The issue isn't dem versus repub, it's a complete and total lack of checks
> and balances! One party rule, at any level of our government is a
> disaster! And with a guy like Bush, who is hopelessley uninformed, the
> problem is even worse. Did you see his press conference the other day? He
> actually said that he didn't know where people got the idea we had to
> "stay the course" in Iraq! Of course, the night time anchors played clip
> after clip of him saying the words, hundreds of times over the last
> several years. He's just not very smart, not well read, and totally
> clueless. The dems, who are nothing to write home about, will at least
> provide the much needed checks and balances that have been missing during
> Bush's administration. If he doesn't get it by now, than he's useless.
>
All valid comments....But just don't say that he is an evil genius who went
into Iraq in order to steal oil for all his crooked buddies....The two
points of view just aren't compatible......He's either a clueless simpleton,
or an evil genius, but he can't be both at the same time....:^)
Mark˛
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:RP65h.12019$3K7...@newsfe13.phx...
>
>> I thought this vote was about the war...and yet you're already
>> predicting they do...
>> ...NOTHING.
>
>
> I have no crystal ball. The power doesn't really change
> for another couple of months. Dubya still has the veto.
Already making excuses...
> If the Dems manage to pull of a couple of small domestic
> wins before tackling Iraq, that's fine with me.
Lowering the bar already, Rafe?
Heck, they haven't even failed yet, and you're dismissing their future
failure.
> Believe it or not, Iraq isn't the only thing that Dubya's
> managed to fuck up in his six years.
So you just want a couple small non-descript domestic issues in the next two
years?
> In fact, can you please tell me what he's touched
> that he *hasn't* fucked up? Katrina? Social
> Security? Medicare? Your civil rights?
Katrina had nothing to do with Bush.
Social Security has been screwed up for decades.
Medicare just paid for my dad's heart attack recovery.
Economy is amazingly good-despite huge obsticles.
Jobless rate lowest in years.
Home ownership is high.
My home state (California) is in major recovery.
Saddam will be dead very soon--at the hands of his victims.
Taxes are in check.
Mark˛
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:13:09 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
> number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
>> I thought this vote was about the war...and yet you're already
>> predicting they do...
>> ...NOTHING.
>
-Spoken like the voter in my photo, Rich.
:)
"Think not." -New Dem slogan, perhaps?
William Graham
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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animals. They are either sleeping, or blurry....I can't get them to hold
still for the half second it takes when they are awake.
William Graham
Well, I don't know what you are talking about. What I was talking about is
the failure of the democrats to come up with their plan for getting us out
of Iraq. they continue to complain about Bush for not, "having a plan" but
there is no way you can plan for the future without knowing the future, and
they don't know it any better than Bush knows it, so their complaints are
ridiculous. - That's what I am talking about. Personally, I think we should
stay there as long as the Iraqi government needs us to keep the rioting and
terrorism down. and only leave when the Iraqi government can defend itself
against civil war and government overthrow. Saying that we should never have
gone in there to begin with doesn't help the problem. We are there. The
question is, should we leave, or stay and do the job? If the terrorists are
growing in number, is it because they are coming in from outside Iraq, or
are more Iraqis joining them? These are all important parts of the decision.
Should we hold an Iraqi election as to whether we stay or not? Just give us
a viable plan, and don't complain about who is a patriot and who isn't. This
doesn't help the situation.
Walter Banks
William Graham wrote:
> Right. With her plan, if you were rich, and needed a heart operation, and
> you hired the chief cardiologist at the Mayo clinic to do it for you, you
> would be thrown in jail. (and so would the cardiologist) And my self paid
> health insurance, that I scraped and saved for for 40 years would be
> worthless....the Robin Hooders would trash it, and steal money from me and
> give it to Hillary to pay for the poor.......And they ask me why I am a
> Republican........
These are scare tactics are not borne out by fact.
Read what happens in other countries where health care is
a right.
In Canada if you needed to go to the Mayo clinic for a heart
operation that is where the heart operation would happen.
In Canada the choice of doctor is yours and as is where
you want your health services. What health services and
where is a decision between doctor and patient.
I am sure that your insurance will provide you with that
level of care.
w..