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ajit...@my-deja.com

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Aug 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/11/00
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I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a lot of
travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I am not
going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids, flower
fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.

I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.

1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?
2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?
3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?
4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?
5. How is the N80 general build quality ?
6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

Your suggestion is highly appreciated.


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Before you buy.

Tony Spadaro

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In article <8mvs4e$p22$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
ajit...@my-deja.com wrote:

> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

That can be checked with a copy of Shutterbug magazine or this site
http://www.keh.com

For your uses the N80 sounds like more than enough camera. You could
put the extra into a better than "kit" lens.
>


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Mark Bergman

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The N80 has a better AF system for action IMHO. However based upon the type
of photography your going to do I wouldn't worry about AF speed.

<ajit...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mvs4e$p22$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...


> I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a lot of
> travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I am not
> going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids, flower
> fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.
>
> I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.
>
> 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?
> 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?
> 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?
> 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?
> 5. How is the N80 general build quality ?

> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?
>

> Your suggestion is highly appreciated.
>
>

Heavysteam

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1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?
*** I don't know and I'm not sure if it is an issue. In general, the N80 is
lighter and more modern than the N90 in just about every way.

2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ? speed: similar
accuracy: YES

3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ? Probably not

4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ? YES Much better

5. How is the N80 general build quality ? Mine is excellent.

6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

No. There is a much higher demand for used AFD lenses and far many less on
the market. However, there is still a good supply of used lenses and they are
not difficult to find. For example, out of an issue of Shutterbug you might
have six 60mm micro AFD's to choose from and thirty or more 55mm macro manual
lenses.

Here are some questions you didn't ask:
Which is more comfortable to carry? The N80 is very light and easy to carry.
The N90 is quite heavy and built much heavier than the average amateur
photographer needs.

Which camera has the latest Nikon features? The N80, no contest. It has a
lot of the features of the F5 and F100 like selectible AF zone and viewfinder
diopter, and keeps a lot of the standards like matrix/center-weighted/spot
metering and predictive AF. It will also bracket without having to add a
heavy and expensive accessory back, and has a built-in flash too. I also like
the switchable grid screen in the viewfinder.

The N90s is a fine camera but it is pushing a decade in age (N90 is even older)
which is an eternity in the era of modern electronic cameras. If you don't
need the much heavier ruggedness (and additional weight to haul) of the N90, I
highly recommend the N80. I've taken mine on several professional shoots and
have gotten the same professional quality metering and autofocus accuracy that
I get from my F5. (Although nowhere near the F5's autofocus speed.) In my
opinion, this is the finest consumer SLR body that Nikon has ever made, and
among the finest ever made by any brand. (And yes, I have owned the N90s.)

Mitchell Regenbogen

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Of course you left out the little tidbit that the N80 will NOT meter, at
all, with non-CPU (manual focus) lenses. So if the original poster
eventually wants to pick up one of the excellent manual Nikkors the N80
will no longer seem to be "the finest consumer SLR body that Nikon has
ever made."

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trav...@my-deja.com

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You've missed the TWO most important considerations: size and weight.
This is the reason I've ordered an N80 (and plan to mate it with my
Nikkor 28-105); certainly NOT because I thinks it's better than my N90
in any respect. The N90 series cameras are serious pro type cameras;
big and heavy, and deserving of their reputation. The N80 is what it
is, a nice, small, light camera. Appreciate it for what it is.

Maverick Koe

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Based on your requirement, N90s is more suitable for you in my opium. N80
is only focussing better than N90s.

<ajit...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mvs4e$p22$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a lot of
> travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I am not
> going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids, flower
> fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.
>
> I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.
>

> 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?

> 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?

> 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?

> 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?

> 5. How is the N80 general build quality ?

> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?
>

> Your suggestion is highly appreciated.
>
>

ajit...@my-deja.com

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Is N80 focussing noticeably better/faster than N90s ?

Maverick Koe

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F80 can do the dynamic focusing which is similar to F100 and F5.

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bony...@my-deja.com

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In article <20000811071816...@ng-fq1.aol.com>,

heavy...@aol.comzapcrap (Heavysteam) wrote:
> 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?
> *** I don't know and I'm not sure if it is an issue. In general,
the N80 is
> lighter and more modern than the N90 in just about every way.
>
> 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ? speed:
similar
> accuracy: YES
>
> 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ? Probably not
>
> 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ? YES Much better
>
> 5. How is the N80 general build quality ? Mine is excellent.

>
> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

I think the N8008s is a much better buy than the N80 - it will meter
with manual focus lenses (centerweighted/spot)and does a very good job
using matrix metering with AF lenses. If the poster is interested in a
good camera that will allow him to take good pictures, then the N8008s
is a good choice. A used one in good condition can be found for around
$300-400 (maybe less) - the extra money then can be used on getting good
manual and auto focus lenses.

ajit...@my-deja.com

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Does that mean I can get a sharper picture ?

> F80 can do the dynamic focusing which is similar to F100 and F5.
>
> <ajit...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8n1fai$uno$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Is N80 focussing noticeably better/faster than N90s ?
> >
> > > Based on your requirement, N90s is more suitable for you in my
opium.
> > N80
> > > is only focussing better than N90s.
> > >
> > > <ajit...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8mvs4e$p22$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > > I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a
lot of
> > > > travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I
am
> > not
> > > > going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids,
> > flower
> > > > fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.
> > > >
> > > > I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.
> > > >

> > > > 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?

> > > > 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?

> > > > 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?

> > > > 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?

> > > > 5. How is the N80 general build quality ?

> > > > 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?
> > > >

> > > > Your suggestion is highly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >

Randy Howard

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In article <kAXk5.63609$UO.1...@news22.bellglobal.com>, kc...@netcom.ca says...

> F80 can do the dynamic focusing which is similar to F100 and F5.
>

Ok, I just picked up an N80 today, and I can say without a doubt
that it does not focus nearly as fast as an F5, but I haven't
really had enough time to play with it to come to any conclusions
about dynamic AF. I haven't put an AF-S lens on it yet to see
how it does with one yet compared to the F5, but I will over the
weekend and let others know if interested. The think that really
stood out was the fps is obviously way behind the F5, but I knew
that was going to be the case beforehand.

I will say that it is small, it feels flimsy in the hand (i.e.
like a consumer Canon instead of a Nikon), yet the wife really
likes the idea of the light weight, which is the main reason for
the purchase. The fact that it can (and will) act as a second body
for me in situations where I want both a wide and a long mounted at
the same time is a bonus.

The dealer really tried hard to convince me that it was only
available in kit form, i.e. bundled with the complete POS 28-80
El Plastico lens. I explained that I would much rather have it
as a body only, or with almost any other lens on the planet, or
something like the 28-105 or the 24-120 so she could have a decent
focal range for "everyday" usage, and not have to carry around the
heavier lenses I normally use. They brought out the package, the
lens and the body box are actually shrink-wrapped together in the
packaging, and I'm sure they didn't like the prospects of having
to try and sell that lens stand-alone. However, after making it
clear I would wait for it to show up somewhere else, or I would
purchase the N80 with a lens that cost close to the price of the
body if they would cut a deal, he "went to ask the manager" and
came back with the body box by itself, and I wound up with it,
a UV filter, the 24-120, the batteries and some film. B&H would
have been a lot more cost-effective, especially considering
sales tax, but the local shop had it in stock, and I was there
looking for something else anyway.

--
Randy Howard

Mike

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Oh right. Get a old crappy 8008.... so your can use all the old manual
focus lenses. Hell, just go buy an FM to work with all your beloved manual
lenses. This is the only legitimate thing the N80 bashers can find wrong
with this excellent camera, so they keep beating it...... literally.

>
> I think the N8008s is a much better buy than the N80 - it will meter
> with manual focus lenses (centerweighted/spot)and does a very good job
> using matrix metering with AF lenses. If the poster is interested in a
> good camera that will allow him to take good pictures, then the N8008s
> is a good choice. A used one in good condition can be found for around
> $300-400 (maybe less) - the extra money then can be used on getting good
> manual and auto focus lenses.
> >
>
>

Mike

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It may feel flimsy in the hand, but it's a metal body underneath. That's
what counts.

Randy Howard <rhowa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ajit...@my-deja.com

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Is N90s very heavy to carry around ? I hold one by hand at a camera
store but it didn't have strap to hang around my neck.
N80 is lighter. Does that means it won't last as long as N90s ?

> You've missed the TWO most important considerations: size and weight.
> This is the reason I've ordered an N80 (and plan to mate it with my
> Nikkor 28-105); certainly NOT because I thinks it's better than my N90
> in any respect. The N90 series cameras are serious pro type cameras;
> big and heavy, and deserving of their reputation. The N80 is what it
> is, a nice, small, light camera. Appreciate it for what it is.
>

Neil Brown

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in article 8n1kjg$35f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com, bony...@my-deja.com at
bony...@my-deja.com wrote on 8/11/00 2:36 PM:

> In article <20000811071816...@ng-fq1.aol.com>,
> heavy...@aol.comzapcrap (Heavysteam) wrote:

>> 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?

>> *** I don't know and I'm not sure if it is an issue. In general,
> the N80 is
>> lighter and more modern than the N90 in just about every way.
>>

>> 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ? speed:
> similar
>> accuracy: YES
>>
>> 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ? Probably not
>>
>> 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ? YES Much better
>>
>> 5. How is the N80 general build quality ? Mine is excellent.


>>
>> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

> I think the N8008s is a much better buy than the N80 - it will meter
> with manual focus lenses (centerweighted/spot)and does a very good job
> using matrix metering with AF lenses. If the poster is interested in a
> good camera that will allow him to take good pictures, then the N8008s
> is a good choice. A used one in good condition can be found for around
> $300-400 (maybe less) - the extra money then can be used on getting good
> manual and auto focus lenses.
>>
>
>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

I'd agree with what I've read for first impressions, except I found the AF
on the 8008 less speedy, especially with slower zoom lens'. With prime I
don't know 'cause I haven't any.

Having spent the night getting close and personal with the the only aspect
which I think needs improvement is the flash sync speed. Interestingly
enough the speed according to to finder display and LCD panel is 1/60th and
it only admits to 1/125 in manual exposure more. 1/256 like the n90s would
have been nice!

Otherwise, it holds well and is definitely very light. I put the add on AA
battery holder on it also and, yes, a vertical shutter release would be
nice! Also to remove the battery cover from the body to put the BH on took a
great deal of effort. I was concerned I might break something but it kind of
just released when I was about to despair. The instructions are somewhat
iffy on this with a picture and a couple of arrows to show direction of
force!

To add to the plusses, the depth of field is an electronic switch which
fires the aperture solenoid. If I recall the n90 is a mechanical DOF switch
which need a fair amount of pressure to activate.

Another bonus is the user preference settings. Making the AEL a push to lock
push to unlock switch rather than a keep holding down is a great feature!


regards
Neil


Jim

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 03:32:30 GMT, ajit...@my-deja.com wrote:

>I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a lot of
>travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I am not
>going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids, flower
>fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.
>
>I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.
>

>1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?

Not an issue in my Nikon F or N90s.... modern SLR's have solved
the mid 60's mirror issues.

>2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?

Rumored so.. however the N90s focuses fast enough for me to keep birds
in flight and my nephew in focus.

>3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?

I don't consider any camera short of the Nikonos weatherproof. I
take great care to protect my investment dry and out of the sand.

>4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?

Don't know.. but the N90s system is awesome.. so if the N80 is
better.. it must be fantastic.

>5. How is the N80 general build quality ?

Don't know.. the N90s is excellent for the price point.. I'll let you
know in 32 years.,.. the age of my Nikon F...(meter suspect, otherwise
excellent/

>6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

No... the N80 needs the AF and preferably the AF-D's... there is a
shortage of some of these on the new markert much less the used. You
are only likely to find the dogs on the used market.

The N90s can use nearly an Nikon lens ever made, including AI modified
Nikkors of pre F2 days...

I have the N90s.. and I find no compelling reason to run to exhange it
for an N80... or to have regretted my decision to buy the N90s when I
knew the N80 was coming out. You won't go wrong with N90s.

Jim

Heavysteam

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<<Of course you left out the little tidbit that the N80 will NOT meter, at all,
with non-CPU (manual focus) lenses. So if the original poster
eventually wants to pick up one of the excellent manual Nikkors the N80 will no
longer seem to be "the finest consumer SLR body that Nikon has
ever made.">>
No, I didn't leave it out. It only seems to be an issue for internet gadflys.
For an ameteur photographer to bias a camera body selection on the
possibility that he might someday want to use a non-CPU lens is not very
bright, especially if you don't already own such a lens or collection of
lenses.

Heavysteam

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<<the N80 needs the AF and preferably the AF-D's... there is a
shortage of some of these on the new markert much less the used. You are only
likely to find the dogs on the used market.>>

What an absolutely assinine statement.

Mitchell Regenbogen

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heavy...@aol.comzapcrap (Heavysteam) wrote in
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Oh, I see. An "internet gadfly" is defined as an amateur photographer who
owns manual focus Nikon lenses. Or is one only an "internet gadfly" if
one points out a major flaw in someone's rationalizing and ultimately
deceptive "review" of an otherwise excellent camera?

The_Ox

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It is not an assinine statement, there is a shortage of some of these lenses
(AF) on the market.

"Heavysteam" <heavy...@aol.comzapcrap> wrote in message
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Mark Bergman

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Nikon AF lenses have been out for around 15 years. Do you really think only
"dogs" are on the used market?

I bought all my Nikon AF lenses on the used market, at considerable savings,
and don't consider any of them dogs or even mediocre.

Yes it is the stupidest, most asinine statement I've seen in awhile.

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hch...@streammachine.com

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I am a Nikon guy who has N90s, N60, FE2, FM2, FG and many AIS AFD
lenses. Based on your questions, here is my answer:

> I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a lot of
> travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I am not
> going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids,
flower
> fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.
>
> I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.
>
> 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?

Not a problem as many has stated.

> 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?

I guess so, but for your application probably not.

> 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?

No.

> 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?

Yes.

> 5. How is the N80 general build quality ?

Good for everyday usuage.

> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?

I think so. Try photo.net and Ebay.
But N80 will not metered with non-CPU lenses.

My suggestion:

If for amateur use buy a high-end P&S camera ($200).

If you want to start out with one lens and later grow on it try to find
a used N90s ($600) and a MF 28/1.4.

Hope this helps.

s...@randomc.com

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In article <8n6cc1$o6l$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "The_Ox" <The...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>It is not an assinine statement, there is a shortage of some of these lenses
>(AF) on the market.

Which ones? The shortage seems to be in the older AI lenses. AF Nikons are
everywhere.

Steve

JBSDADDY

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Aug 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/14/00
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>Nikon AF lenses have been out for around 15 years. Do you really think only
>"dogs" are on the used market?
>
>I bought all my Nikon AF lenses on the used market, at considerable savings,
>and don't consider any of them dogs or even mediocre.
>
>Yes it is the stupidest, most asinine statement I've seen in awhile.

i have looked in the used market for mf and af lenses, mainly at photo shows
but also on the net. i haven't seen many that were worth plunking down the kind
of money that most dealers expect for nikon lenses.

which is beside the point. i don't read these posts because i like to "hear"
people insult and degrade the comments of others. if the man says he thinks
there is a shortage of lenses, you can disagree without being a jerk in the
process. if i want to "hear" stuff like that, i can shut off the computer and
go back to work. we can all comunicate positively without being ugly.

Heavysteam

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Aug 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/15/00
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<<i don't read these posts because i like to "hear" people insult and degrade
the comments of others. if the man says he thinks there is a shortage of
lenses, you can isagree without being a jerk in the
process.>>

First of all, I was obviously referring to the part of the statement about only
dogs for Nikon AFD lenses being available on the used market. That IS an
assinine statement.....but I'll give the original writer the benefit of the
doubt. On the other hand, you seem to be a mewling, puking,
political-correctness preacher who can't practice what she preaches. Yes,
pleasestop stealing your employer's time, shut off the computer and go back to
work.

Heavysteam

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<<Oh, I see. An "internet gadfly" is defined as an amateur photographer who
owns manual focus Nikon lenses. Or is one only an "internet gadfly" if one
points out a major flaw in someone's rationalizing and ultimately deceptive
"review" of an otherwise excellent camera?>>

The only "major flaw" here is your insistence on condemning a major new
photgraphic product with an argument that has no relevence to the vast majority
of potential customers. I would place it at the same level as someone
railing about the new Canon EOS 1v because he can't use his old Canon manual
lenses.

JBSDADDY

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Aug 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/15/00
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>On the other hand, you seem to be a mewling, puking,
>political-correctness preacher who can't practice what she preaches. Yes,
>pleasestop stealing your employer's time, shut off the computer and go back
>to
>work.

it is easy to say these kinds of things to a screen, where no one knows you
or knows where you live or work. would you say these things to me in person?
i am not mewling or puking. i am not a preacher. i am a he and not a she. you
don't personally know me so you are not qualified to describe or judge me.
i simply think that others might appreciate your comments and observations
more if you weren't being nasty in the process.
do people read these because they get off on hearing people trash-talk each
other or because they need information concerning their hobby or profession?
james


Mitchell Regenbogen

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Aug 15, 2000, 10:50:48 PM8/15/00
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heavy...@aol.comzapcrap (Heavysteam) wrote in
<20000815163516...@ng-fs1.aol.com>:

You have a very curious definition of "condemning", since I specifically
point out that the N80 is an otherwise excellent camera. OBVIOUSLY the
manual focus issue is irrelevant to anyone who doesn't own, and never
intends to own, any manual focus lenses. But how many burgeoning
photographers will know, at the beginning of their foray into photography,
that they will NEVER have an interest in using a manual focus lens? And
have they thought about the fact that they might have to buy a SECOND
camera body to do so? My only point here, which for some reason I cannot
fathom you keep resisting (as if you have some personal stake in shilling
for this particular model), is that any fair description of the N80 MUST
include a disclaimer about its inability to meter with manual focus
lenses. By the way, the N80 is not a "major new photographic product."
The F100 is the major new photographic product. The N80 is a scaled-down
amateur-quality version of the F100, which still makes it a superb
photographic tool, although not quite the SECOND COMING OF THE 35MM CAMERA
as you apparently need to think it is.

ajit...@my-deja.com

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Thanks for your response. I have started with a fixed focus Kodak KB10,
with which I tookbeautiful pictures in sun light. Then I bought Minolta
Explorer Freedom zoom 28-70mm, butsome pictures were better with
KB10(35 mm fixed).

Is this the difference between prime lense and a zoom ?

I am interested in general photography.
Now I am in the market for a SLR system. My personal preference is
Nikon. No war pl.
My budget is $500 - 750 for the body (N80/N90s in mind) and $350 for
lens(28-105 in mind).
Film,hood,Tripod, head, cable release,filter,flash-I will consider one
by one later. I am in adilemma, N90s can meter with MF lenses, N80 has
new tech and better focussing.

I am rating myself as an advanced amateur. When I spend ~$1100, I want
to see differencefrom my KB10 and Minolta P&S. Can you pl suggest a body
and some lenses ? Does28-105 zoom provide noticeably better results than
my Minolta 28-70 P&S ?

Thanks in advance.

Tony Spadaro

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Aug 16, 2000, 1:53:08 AM8/16/00
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You've been sweatin' over this for a week - a week you could have
been taking pictures.
Get the N90 and be done with it - you can put just about any Nikon
mount glass on it, so it will still be useful even if you get an 80 -
or a 100 later.
For lenses go for a used 50mm f1.4 or f1.8 AIS. Wander around a
while, take some pictures, enjoy the camera. Decide what you really
need for lenses by seeing what the 50 will and won't do for you. Take
your time. Later you can try a zoom or two in a camera store.
You can't know everything you need to know until you've used an SLR
for a while. You cannot anticipate what you will want to do once you
are using the camera. Nikon makes a full system. You can buy anything
you need. But you will make better decisions when you know what you
need.
--
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Mike Farrell

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Aug 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/16/00
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Am I reading this correctly? Tony Spadaro is recommending Nikon gear?!
You're gonna lose a lot of Canon Green Stamps for that! ;-)

Seriously, the N90S is a great camera -- the oldest autofocus SLR in
Nikon's current lineup, but still perfectly useful. And the AF 50/1.8
is a good, inexpensive lens. It was the first Nikkor I ever bought,
and I still use it a lot.

--
Mike Farrell -- <farre...@altavista.net>

Randy Howard

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Aug 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/16/00
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In article <20000816211925...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
heavy...@aol.comzapcrap says...

> << it is easy to say these kinds of things to a screen, where no one knows you
> or knows where you live or work. would you say these things to me in person? >>
>
> Of course not! That's the joy if the internet, now, isn't it? You can
> whine, preach and criticize to your heart's content and in return, I can tell
> you to pucker up and kiss my big white butt. Ain't technology grand?

It used to be.

--
Randy Howard

Heavysteam

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Aug 16, 2000, 9:15:42 PM8/16/00
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<<My only point here, which for some reason I cannot fathom you keep resisting
(as if you have some personal stake in shilling
for this particular model), is that any fair description of the N80 MUST
include a disclaimer about its inability to meter with manual focus
lenses. >>

Well, dagnabbit, I guess you'll just have to sue Nikon for their dastardly and
blatant consumer rip-off !!! An while you're out shopping for a lawyer, see
if you can find a life, too.

Heavysteam

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Aug 16, 2000, 9:19:25 PM8/16/00
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Jim

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Aug 16, 2000, 9:54:34 PM8/16/00
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On 13 Aug 2000 12:39:16 GMT, heavy...@aol.comzapcrap (Heavysteam)
wrote:

><<the N80 needs the AF and preferably the AF-D's... there is a
>shortage of some of these on the new markert much less the used. You are only
>likely to find the dogs on the used market.>>
>
>What an absolutely assinine statement.

Bad sentence construction... there are plenty of used AF's and I own
a few... some would consider a couple of these dogs.. but I have some
excellent shots ...

what I was intending to say was there is a shortage of used AF-D's in
the marketplace.. indeed there is a shortage of new AF-D's at some
focal lengths and price points.

Jim


Tony Spadaro

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Aug 17, 2000, 12:00:22 AM8/17/00
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In article <mdilpscv9tje69bgo...@4ax.com>,

Mike Farrell <farre...@altavista.net> wrote:
> Am I reading this correctly? Tony Spadaro is recommending Nikon gear?!
> You're gonna lose a lot of Canon Green Stamps for that! ;-)
The guy wants a Nikon. If I were to say I prefer Canon and go into
the whole thing, it could stop him from ever buying any camera. I just
think it's time for him to start shooting.
He can't really evaluate SLRs with no experience. An N90 gives him
more options and he can pick up cheap used lenses - even (GASP) 3rd
party lenses - my first 28 was a used De Jur - a real piece of shi....
not a good lens. But using it convinced me 28 was not wide enough for
what I wanted to do. Total investment, 25 bucks. I put it in the camera
club auction the following year and sold it for about... 25 bucks. It
may still be making the rounds now. That was about 15 years ago.

Skip

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Aug 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/17/00
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ajit...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I am an amateur photographer looking for my first SLR. I do a lot of
> travel and I may take any picture that is interesting to me. I am not
> going to take any serious action/sports, but landscape, candids, flower
> fireworks, waterfalls, kids playing, theme parks yes.
>
> I have shortlisted N80 and N90s.
>
> 1. Is N80 mirror dampening better than N90s ?
> 2. Is N80 focussing (speed/accuracy) better than N90s ?
> 3. Is N80 as weather proof as N90s ?
> 4. Is N80 metering better than N90s ?
> 5. How is the N80 general build quality ?
> 6. Are there plenty of used AF lenses also available as for MF ?
>
> Your suggestion is highly appreciated.

>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

I'm not sure if anybody mentioned this or not, but the N90s does not
support Nikon's VR technology. Only the F5, F100, N80, I'm not sure if
the N60 does or not.
Skip
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http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

Mike Farrell

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Aug 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/17/00
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But what are the chances that someone brand-new to the Nikon system is
going to be buying multi-thousand-dollar VR lenses (none of which have
actually been released yet)? I would guess that if the original poster
buys an N90S, he'll probably upgrade to a more recent camera before he
buys a VR lens.

The N60 does not support VR technology; its soon-to-be-released
successor probably will.

--
Mike Farrell -- <farre...@altavista.net>

Skip

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Aug 17, 2000, 8:33:51 PM8/17/00
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Mike Farrell wrote:
>
> But what are the chances that someone brand-new to the Nikon system is
> going to be buying multi-thousand-dollar VR lenses (none of which have
> actually been released yet)? I would guess that if the original poster
> buys an N90S, he'll probably upgrade to a more recent camera before he
> buys a VR lens.
>
> The N60 does not support VR technology; its soon-to-be-released
> successor probably will.
>
> --
> Mike Farrell -- <farre...@altavista.net>
>
>
Unless Nikon gets of the stick and comes out with a couple of 'consumer"
VR lenses to compete with the 28-135 and 75-300 IS lenses from Canon.
Also, since the N90s is the rough equal of the A2, this might be a
camera he could hold onto for quite awhile. I know I intend to do so
with my A2.

PC

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Aug 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/20/00
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Not all of Nikon's manual focus lenses are old. The 105/2.5 AIS is
still made and still in their current catalog. This is arguably
nikon's best lens, and undeniably my favorite lens. I was really
looking forward to the N80 and was going to get one when it came out,
but when I found out it wouldn't take my favorite lens, I was really
disappointed.

In article <sp9fsru...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Mike" <m...@fast.net> wrote:
> Oh right. Get a old crappy 8008.... so your can use all the old
manual
> focus lenses. Hell, just go buy an FM to work with all your beloved
manual
> lenses. This is the only legitimate thing the N80 bashers can find
wrong
> with this excellent camera, so they keep beating it...... literally.

Patrick Hudepohl

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Aug 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/20/00
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PC <uli...@my-deja.com> wrote

> Not all of Nikon's manual focus lenses are old.
> The 105/2.5 AIS is still made and still in their
> current catalog.

And even if they are old, to many photographers the
old AI(S) lenses are simply the lenses they have to
use, if "only" for the next couple of months/years.

For instance, I regularly use two non-AF lenses, the
AI 24/2.8 and the AI 50/2.0. And I must say I really
like the feel of the 24 mm, especially on my F100.
Don't know why, but it just works beautifully for me.

So it really is too bad Nikon doesn't really support
those lenses anymore on the newer cameras, especially
since it seemed to be no problem on the older ones,
even the cheaper bodies (eg, F601/N6006).

Still, I suppose that for the majority of buyers it
will not be much of a problem, if a problem at all.

Oh well, I guess that's progress :-)

Patrick.
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http://home.wanadoo.nl/pmj


Woodard R. Springstube

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Aug 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/27/00
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It's not progress. It's marketing!

Woodard

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