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Richard Cockburn

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Jan 11, 2004, 11:10:35 PM1/11/04
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Hey guys. This was a very difficult mandate to fill. Some of the shots
(including my own) did not exactly convey the sense of "female seductive
power" that Leroy wanted. Regardless, all of the photos are excellent.

If you are reading this and thinking "what the hell is he taking about"
like I did when I first found out about the Shoot-In, here is a link to the
photos I will be evaluating in the text below:

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/femme

My appraisals:

Joseph Kewfi- This is a nice shot. The grain suggests the indication of
pushed film at a high ISO. The blonde woman is very attractive...great
legs. She looks extremely familiar. Was this photo taken at a "Spice Girls"
concert?

Michael J. Hoffman- I like this one too. This photo reminds me a little of
Leroy Jolicoeur's Wildcard shot for "Boundaries" with the addition of the
pretty face. The composition is very good. The woman's eyes really stand
out.

Thaddeus Lipshitz- This photo is typical of your usual style. It is
interesting to see life through your eyes. I will assume that the woman in
this photo is your significant other. She looks like she is ready for a
good time. Put down the camera, already! ;-)

Leroy Jolicoeur- Ahhh, the Barbie dolls. This is where it all starts at a
young age. The sixth sense of materialism is instilled in the young girl's
subconscious via role-playing. Excellent idea. Great shot.

Richard Cockburn- This is a lady from Budapest. We exchanged a few words,
but her English was very limited. She seemed like a sweet girl.

Kirstin Prisk- This is an interesting portrait. The woman has an attractive
face with some very nice features. The hairstyle is a little extreme for my
taste, but I am willing to bet that she does not wear it like that all the
time. Very good shot.

Barry Russell- This is one of my favorites. The angle of view is perfect.
The woman has a very nice body. Her hair is hanging just right. I like the
white frame around the photo.

Matt Sharp- A snapshot at a medium-format photo shoot. Great idea. Nice
capture. Is that a Mamiya? The model looks good. The photographer looks
like he has his work cut out for him.

Dennis Yang- Is that a Smith & Wesson? I am amazed at you steadily you held
the camera. Was this photo taken in the back of an RV? Nice idea. You
showed a different meaning of "Femme Fatale". If you mess with this woman
then it really could be a potentially fatal situation, literally.

Eric Britton- Great shot, Generic Eric. The DOF is very shallow, and (as a
man) I would like to see more of the woman, but as a photographer the shot
is technically great. Kudos to Eric!

Mr. Blobby- This is a very nice head & shoulders portrait with the classic
"focus on the eyes" DOF. The tone and texture of the woman's hair shows a
good amount of detail. While there is nothing unpleasant about the woman's
appearance, I would not necessarily agree that this fits the mandate very
well. I freely admit that my entry does not exactly convey "Femme Fatale"
very well either, but that was the impression I had when I saw the woman in
person.

Svetlana Nevski- Been spending a lot of time on the train, Svetlana? The
woman in your photo looks like an authoritative female executive with too
much on her mind. She is elegant, and sexy in a corporate sort of way. Very
good shot. It covers the mandate by a tangent.

Jerry Howe- This photo is the opposite of Svetlana's shot. Jerry's photo is
the most hardcore of the bunch. This is more of a Larry Flint style photo.
Jerry seems to go for shock value in all of his submissions. The
composition is not very intriguing, but the subject alone does draw one in
to look closer. The woman in the photo obviously did not want her face to
be revealed. However, she was not shy about the rest of her.

Bob Hickey- This looks like a standard portrait from Sears or Wal-Mart.
Hey; don't take that as an insult. They do great work for family portraits.
The woman is pleasant looking, but I am not feeling any evidence of
seductive power from this particular photo, which is what the mandate
specifically called for. Good portrait, though.

Eric Quesnel-Williams- This is one of the most artistic photos in the
bunch. I love the composition, the lighting, the contrast, and the idea in
general. The navel draws the viewer in to imagine what lies below and
above. Great shot.

Al Denelsbeck- This photo looks like it was taken at either an adult
bookstore, or at a strip club. I remember reading in Tony Spadaro's survey
that you live in Florida. Since you live in the state with more strip clubs
per capita than any place on earth, this photo looks like something I would
expect from a Floridian. I would love to see the second woman behind the
blonde. How much did they charge for lap dances? Are they professional porn
stars?

John Rhone- This is a great photograph. The woman is beautiful, and she
definitely conveys the sense of seductive power, which the mandate
requires. Great shot.

Anders Svensson- Being a "leg man", I like the composition of the
photograph. The contrast is a little low, but I don't see anything dark in
the photo so that probably explains it. She has very nice legs. Very good
shot.

Vic Mason- Like I said about Blobby and Bob's photos, this is a nice
portrait. However, I can't say that it fully complies with this week's
difficult mandate. Good contrast and DOF. Overall, an excellent portrait.

Bowser- I love Saint Bernards. I also love children. As a family snapshot,
this is a classic photo. As a candidate for this week's mandate, sorry. I
read your explanation and I understand, but female seductive power is not
conveyed here at all. However, I LOVE THE SHOT.

Bret Douglas- Ahhh, Bret dusts off his EOS 1V and shoots a roll of TMax
400. For someone who hates film so much, you seem to know how to use it OK.
This looks like a poster dog for "The Little Rascals" movie. Nice shot, but
since I don't do dogs I cannot feel the female seductive power. Was it good
for you, Bret? ;-)

Patrick Lockwood- This is a nice shot. It falls within the scope of the
mandate due to the single bra strap and the woman's bedroom eyes. Grainy,
but looks good. TriX?

JK- Here is a very attractive young lady. She is dressed appropriately for
the mandate. The exposed tongue adds a cherry on top. Great shot.

Alan Browne- I like the way this shot was set up. The curtain gives a nice
contrast against the subject and foreground objects. The woman has a nice
hourglass figure. The pose is perfect. Good composition. Excellent shot.

Elie Shammas- This is an interesting photo, but I am not convinced that
this photo fits with the current mandate. I do not sense any female
seductive power from this photo. Like I said earlier, this was a very
difficult mandate to fill. THIS IS A NICE SHOT.


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Joseph Kewfi

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Jan 11, 2004, 11:28:39 PM1/11/04
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> Joseph Kewfi- This is a nice shot. The grain suggests the indication of
> pushed film at a high ISO.

Very good appraisal. Pushed Ilford Delta 3200 to 12800 ISO.

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Al Denelsbeck

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Jan 12, 2004, 4:14:13 AM1/12/04
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Richard Cockburn <cockbur...@webjetters.com> wrote in
news:Xns946DEB615EA0Bco...@130.133.1.4:

> Hey guys. This was a very difficult mandate to fill. Some of the shots
> (including my own) did not exactly convey the sense of "female
> seductive power" that Leroy wanted. Regardless, all of the photos are
> excellent.
>
> If you are reading this and thinking "what the hell is he taking
> about" like I did when I first found out about the Shoot-In, here is a
> link to the photos I will be evaluating in the text below:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/femme
>
> My appraisals:
>

<snip>

> Al Denelsbeck- This photo looks like it was taken at either an adult
> bookstore, or at a strip club. I remember reading in Tony Spadaro's
> survey that you live in Florida. Since you live in the state with more
> strip clubs per capita than any place on earth, this photo looks like
> something I would expect from a Floridian. I would love to see the
> second woman behind the blonde. How much did they charge for lap
> dances? Are they professional porn stars?


To be truthful, I'm not exactly sure who they are. The cropped-off
poster advertises "Glori-Anne", which I have never heard before or since,
but there's a selection of softcore stuff on the table. The other woman who
appeared in the frame but didn't make it through my cropping (the original
was definitely more photojournalistic) was almost certainly a porn star,
however.

The amusing part about this is it was shot at the last 'Dragon-Con' I
attended, in Atlanta in 1999. Dragon-Con is one of the largest US
conventions for role-playing games (Yes, Dungeons & Dragons and that ilk),
but the emphasis over the years has shifted from strictly gaming to, uh, a
broader testosterone appeal. If you've ever wondered what women in leather
corsets or chain-mail bikinis look like in real life, this is where you can
always find out.

After a quick tour of the vendor's area, I *had* to go back to the
car and fetch the camera. With my battery pack and a flash diffuser, most
people thought I was 'official' in some way and were delighted to pose for
a frame or two. The attendees who had dressed for the part were always
happy to show off their handiwork. The 'professionals', though, were not -
these girls wanted to charge me to pose for a pic. I declined, and simply
waited until some other sucker had ponied up the dough...

Of the shots I got there, this one was probably the best overall fit
for the mandate, but has been cropped tighter to remove more of the
distractions.

By the way, this takes place annually in one of the posher hotel
convention centers in downtown Atlanta, and the whole area suffers from a
certain level of shock for a couple of days. There is no shortage of
Batmen, Stormtroopers, Jedi Knights, Barbarian Princesses, Anime Heroines,
and related types, all walking the streets in full costume. Just eating at
a cafe down the road can be hilarious.

No, I was *not* dressed in any extraordinary way. Which I think made
me stand out pretty conspicuously...


- Al.

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Alan Browne

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Jan 12, 2004, 12:36:10 PM1/12/04
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Richard Cockburn wrote:

> Hey guys. This was a very difficult mandate to fill. Some of the shots
> (including my own) did not exactly convey the sense of "female seductive
> power" that Leroy wanted. Regardless, all of the photos are excellent.
>
> If you are reading this and thinking "what the hell is he taking about"
> like I did when I first found out about the Shoot-In, here is a link to the
> photos I will be evaluating in the text below:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/femme
>

<snp>


>
> Alan Browne- I like the way this shot was set up. The curtain gives a nice
> contrast against the subject and foreground objects. The woman has a nice
> hourglass figure. The pose is perfect. Good composition. Excellent shot.

Thanks. Shot on wretched 400CN. Background is a simple cotton sheet...
I should have separated it more from the subject...
Cheers,
Alan

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Simon Stanmore

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Jan 12, 2004, 1:27:41 PM1/12/04
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"Al Denelsbeck" <ne...@wadingin.net> wrote in message
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>
> To be truthful, I'm not exactly sure who they are.

I thought you was being a real smart ass by using this pic! That's a very
good Hudson Leick look-a-like in Callisto'ish costume from the Xena TV
series ... http://hercxena.hispeed.com/multimedia/pics/callisto/xm26.jpg .
The Callisto character was a very literal personification of 'femme fatale'.

Simon


Michael Stevens

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Jan 12, 2004, 2:57:01 PM1/12/04
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On 12 Jan 2004 04:10:35 GMT, Richard Cockburn
<cockbur...@webjetters.com> wrote:

>Dennis Yang- Is that a Smith & Wesson? I am amazed at you steadily you held
>the camera. Was this photo taken in the back of an RV? Nice idea. You
>showed a different meaning of "Femme Fatale". If you mess with this woman
>then it really could be a potentially fatal situation, literally.

It looks like an HK USP chambered for 40 S&W.

Mike


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Jan 12, 2004, 7:41:22 PM1/12/04
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Damn. It never occured to me to shoot an attractive woman! OK, it did, but
neither of the women I can actually speak to would pose. So I sent a dog
photo.

Yes, it is a classic family snapshot, but not quite "mandate material."

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Lionel

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Jan 13, 2004, 3:38:06 AM1/13/04
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Kibo informs me that "Joseph Kewfi" <f_sto...@NOSPAMiol.ie> stated
that:

>> Joseph Kewfi- This is a nice shot. The grain suggests the indication of
>> pushed film at a high ISO.
>
>Very good appraisal. Pushed Ilford Delta 3200 to 12800 ISO.

Bloody hell! - The only reason I can think of for pushing the film that
hard is that you were shooting with a slow telephoto. Correct? - Or was
there some other reason to push that high?
(I do stage photography at ISO 1600, using F1.8 & F2.8 lenses, but
usually from up close.)

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Joseph Kewfi

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Jan 13, 2004, 3:15:41 PM1/13/04
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>The only reason I can think of for pushing the film that hard is that you
were shooting with a slow telephoto. Correct?

Nah, I'm just a crazy fuck that likes scantily clad chicks and big dirty
grain. Hey Lionel, have you ever tried 25600 ISO? you get some freaky goings
on at that speed. Ilford Delta 3200 is good for pushing, you can shoot at
6400 with very little change in quality from 3200, as you go upward from
6400 the grain gets larger and the shadow detail starts to fall off, but
still highly usable imo.

> (I do stage photography at ISO 1600, using F1.8 & F2.8 lenses, but
> usually from up close.)

That's cool , the lens I used for the image I submitted was Nikon 28-105. At
the 105mm end it's F4.5 max, not the fastest I know but I wasn't supposed to
be on stage so I had to work fast, even though I had all my Nikon primes in
my bag. Unfortunately, my bag was back in the photographers area.

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