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Alan Browne

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Dec 24, 2009, 8:13:16 PM12/24/09
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To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...

Alan

Michael Cunningham

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Dec 24, 2009, 8:42:50 PM12/24/09
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Cheers mate! right back at ya!
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Die Wahrheit

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Dec 24, 2009, 8:57:16 PM12/24/09
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I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.

John McWilliams

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Dec 24, 2009, 9:01:07 PM12/24/09
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Die Wahrheit wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
> <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
>> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...

> I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving


> christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
> bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.

Sure, you can go fuck yourself if you wish!

The rest: Merry Christmas, Channukah, Kwanza, Festivus, whatever.
and a great 2010 as well.

--
john mcwilliams

Atheist Chaplain

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Dec 24, 2009, 9:02:20 PM12/24/09
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"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
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Happy Solstice Festival, Saturnalia, Yule, feast of the Son of Isis, Dies
Natalis Invicti Solis and the newcomer Christmas.
Also Happy Birthday for the Egyptian twins Heru Sa Aset and Bas, and also to
Mithras, Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Helios, Bacchus,
Apollo, and Jupiter.
Apologies to those I have missed.


--
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Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi

Savageduck

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Dec 24, 2009, 10:11:33 PM12/24/09
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On 2009-12-24 17:13:16 -0800, Alan Browne
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

...or as the Costanza-Seinfeld family would say, "Happy Festivus!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus

That covers any of the usual and bizarre aspects of the religious,
cultural & commercial holidays, and gives us atheists a reason to smile
at it all without being condescending.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

RichA

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Dec 25, 2009, 12:49:55 AM12/25/09
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On Dec 24, 8:13 pm, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
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> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
> Alan

Thank you, same to you in Quebec. And now, Dpreview's very carefully
non-religious "Happy Holidays" message complete with non-descript,
bland winter scene:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0912/09122501happyhols.asp

Fact is, only a sixth of the World's population actually celebrate
CHRISTMAS, and is it so hard to say, "Merry Christmas" to them?
Merry Christmas!


Ray Fischer

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Dec 25, 2009, 12:55:14 AM12/25/09
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Well screw you too! If you're so arrogant, intolerant, and ungenerous
as that then you don't deserve to be even treated like a Christian.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

C J Campbell

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:38:07 AM12/25/09
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On 2009-12-24 17:13:16 -0800, Alan Browne
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

Merry Christmas to you, too.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:38:31 AM12/25/09
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On 2009-12-24 17:57:16 -0800, Die Wahrheit
<diewa...@somewherehonest.net> said:

And a Bah! Humbug! to you, too.

Pete

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:49:08 AM12/25/09
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Alan Browne wrote:
> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and however
> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...

Thanks Alan, and to you too. I hope you are having a most enjoyable day.

The snow outside my house finally melted this morning, does Quebec have much
snow?

Pete


Charles E Hardwidge

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Dec 25, 2009, 6:57:23 AM12/25/09
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"Alan Browne" <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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>
> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and however
> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...

Oh, fuck off Alan. You were a pompous, nasty, cross-posting asshole
yesterday and you'll be one tomorrow. What, you think you're off the hook
because you've "blessed" these newsgroups on Christmas Day? Try watching
your fat gob and developing some humanity on the other 364 days, okay?

FU trimmed to alt.photography

--
Charles E Hardwidge

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celcius

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Dec 25, 2009, 7:05:03 AM12/25/09
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"Pete" <available....@aserver.com> wrote in message
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Pete ,
I'm in Ottawa, Ontario, West of the province of Qu�bec and so far we've had
upwards of 35 to 40 cm (14 to 16 inches) of snow. It was a bit cold for a
while, -20�C ( -4F ), but this AM, it's -2�C (28F).
Merry Christmas to you all!
Marcel

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Dr.Smith

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Dec 25, 2009, 8:10:19 AM12/25/09
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Got visited by ghost last night, killed them all! Have to spend Christmas
morning digging holes in the back yard. At least they aint heavy.


Dr.Smith

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Dec 25, 2009, 8:12:34 AM12/25/09
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Funny Short Christmas Story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xI0OobsRh8


Roger Pearse

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Dec 25, 2009, 10:30:32 AM12/25/09
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On Dec 25, 2:02 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
> "Die Wahrheit" <diewahrh...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message

>
> news:aq68j51cj4b9fi800...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
> > <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >>To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> >>however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
> >>Alan
>
> > I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
> > christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
> > bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
>
> Happy Solstice Festival, Saturnalia, Yule, feast of the Son of Isis, Dies
> Natalis Invicti Solis and the newcomer Christmas.
> Also Happy Birthday for the Egyptian twins Heru Sa Aset and Bas, and also toMithras, Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Helios, Bacchus,

> Apollo, and Jupiter.
> Apologies to those I have missed.

Nice claim. Now document it, from ancient texts. Oh you can't?
Smile.

Yes, it's bash the Christians time again!!!! What better way to
celebrate the season of goodwill than by posting a few lies about
those who created it? Get a little hate going, sneer a bit, jeer a
bit... yes, it's what being an atheist is all about!

Atheism... the religion for those too thick to be scientologists and
too dishonest to be anything else.

Robert Coe

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Dec 25, 2009, 1:59:27 PM12/25/09
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:07:06 -0500, John A. <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
: <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
:
: >
: >To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
: >however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
: >
: >Alan
:
: Seconded!

Thirded! ;^)

Bob

Die Wahrheit

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Dec 25, 2009, 2:29:54 PM12/25/09
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Their virgin mary was just a name they carved over the name of Isis on her
statues when people demanded that there must be a female counterpart to
their invent-as-you-go christian beliefs. The virgin birth was stolen from
a more ancient Pagan Roman legend. The "easter resurrection" is a
bastardization of the holiday of Eostre, a Pagan Goddess of spring, to
celebrate the yearly resurrection of life in a northern climate, a holiday
that began over 3500 years ago under various names and cultures. No mother
+ no birth + no resurrection = no christ.

The origin of the christmas tree is when christians cut down the live
decorated trees that Pagans had outside. They couldn't burn them, so they
hid them in their homes, then invented the "christmas" holiday. As recorded
by Charlemagne, "And they cut down the mighty pagan tree, and up sprang the
birth of our christ."

christians have zero respect for any other's Gods & Goddesses or their
holidays. In fact they always steal everyone's holidays and deities and
reinvent/rename them as their own. When christians start to show respect by
respecting all others then maybe they'll deserve respect.

Imagine how it might be for Pagans this time of year. Who had all their
customs, rituals, symbols, songs, and holidays stolen from them, which are
now being paraded around under the guise of another's religion. It's hard
to get away from the obscenely blatant hypocrisy this time of year.

Even the song "Auld Lang Syne" is about how none of us will "drink a cup of
kindness yet" until we revive those things from "auld lang-syne, �old
long-since,� old long-ago," (OED) the days before christians wiped out your
Pagan ancestors' beliefs, wisdom, and knowledge. You drink ritually to try
to forget the middle-east's insanity and atrocities that were forced upon
you.

I have yet to understand why anyone would be so spiritually and culturally
hypocritical as to choose the very religion that destroyed their own
ancestral heritage. For anyone to choose to be christian is no less of a
spiritual and cultural hypocrisy than if a jewish person was praying
heil-hitler to a swastika. Yes, their hypocrisy is precisely that deep.


Robert Coe

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Dec 25, 2009, 2:48:48 PM12/25/09
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:57:16 -0600, Die Wahrheit
<diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:
: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne

Christians are required to treat all people with dignity and respect; their
founder was adamant on that point. When a Christian wishes you a merry
Christmas, he's merely trying to meet that mandate, not force you to accept
his "lies". Some Christians are indeed willfully ignorant, and some do try to
force their beliefs on others. But that is NOT what Jesus intended, and
Christians who actually try to follow his teachings don't behave that way. The
Salvation Army, for example, consists mainly of conservative, bible-thumping
Christian believers, but you wouldn't know it from the generosity and
compassion they show to all the people they serve. Please recognize your
preconceived notions for what they are and consider the possibility that they
may not always be entirely accurate.

Bob (who isn't much of a Christian but was nominally raised as one)

Die Wahrheit

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Dec 25, 2009, 3:08:20 PM12/25/09
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:48:48 -0500, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:57:16 -0600, Die Wahrheit
><diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:
>: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
>: <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>:
>: >
>: >To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
>: >however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>: >
>: >Alan
>:
>: I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
>: christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
>: bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
>
>Christians are required to treat all people with dignity and respect; their
>founder was adamant on that point. When a Christian wishes you a merry
>Christmas, he's merely trying to meet that mandate, not force you to accept
>his "lies".

Oh that's funny. Showing respect by wishing a merry "christmas" on someone
from whom they stole the original holiday by destroying their villages,
their cultures, kidnapping their children, destroying their books and
libraries, burning people at the stake as human sacrifices to appease their
beliefs in a christian god, on THREE continents no less, then renamed the
original Pagan holidays they stole to include their imaginary deity in the
name. What a slap in the face that is. Dignity and respect? You don't even
know what those mean. You have no right to even talk about it.

If only all Pagans today were as ruthless, barbaric, and disrespectful as
all christians were and are, to bring us to the state of hypocrisy that we
have today. You'd be "celebrating" your holiday today by running for the
hills hoping you wouldn't be burned at the stake and your children
kidnapped for the "new christmas" ritual.

Bill Graham

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:30:24 PM12/25/09
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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the
Christians alone to bask in their own dreams of a happy afterlife. I, for
example have no ax to grind.....I don't get any brownie points for
converting Christians to atheism, (like they do for converting me) so I just
leave them alone.....I even put up lights on my house, and erect a Christmas
tree and the whole bit. I even play my horn for the Salvation Army in the
malls. IOW, I am willing to go to anybody's party, so don't blame me......

Bill Graham

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:41:43 PM12/25/09
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"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
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Ah, you're way too philosophical. Just go down to the mission and buy a few
turkey dinners for the homeless and be done with it.....There are lots worse
things going on in this world than a few stolen rituals......If you really
care, then try to undo some of god's damage.....Take in a feral cat or two
and keep them from freezing to death this Winter.....

Bill Graham

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:48:42 PM12/25/09
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"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
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Perhaps, but by blaming the Christians today for the transgressions of their
ancestors, you are falling into the same trap that you accuse them of
falling into. It isn't their fault any more than its your fault what your
grandfather did. Neither you nor they can go back and change the past. All
we can do is live our own lives with compassion and intelligence, and hope
for a better future.

Frank ess

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Dec 25, 2009, 5:43:58 PM12/25/09
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And Nittel Nacht, /inter alia/.

Wishing all a fulfilling End-Of-Year Season Of Excess, and happier New
years.

Cheers!

--
Frank ess

Frank ess

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Dec 25, 2009, 5:47:21 PM12/25/09
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You're burying your /brothers/?

Rich

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Dec 25, 2009, 6:17:04 PM12/25/09
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rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Fed to the lions? Or betrayed to the Romans?

Die Wahrheit

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Feral cats are an invasive species that are destroying the food-chain by
killing (not often eating) all the food supplies for fox, owls, skunks,
raccoons, hawks, shrike, falcons, wolves (yes, wolves survive on mice at
times), coyote, etc. etc. Any wild animal that uses mice, voles, and other
small mammals as a food source are having their own existence put in
jeopardy by irresponsible pet owners that let their cats roam outside. On
my land feral cats are fair game for a .22. Already got 8 of them this
fall. Good target practice because they are wary, quick, and hard to kill
unless you get a direct shot to a vital organ.

This is the problem with christians who lost the lessons and wisdom from
their Pagan ancestors. Knowing how to live with nature in balance, and
knowing the nature of nature in general. Now christians are destroying the
planet even with their lousy pestilent cats. Just because of a "few stolen
rituals" that they bastardized the meanings of, and then lost the lessons
from, just to suit their own self-serving ignorant gains.


Die Wahrheit

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Dec 25, 2009, 6:40:47 PM12/25/09
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Yes you can go back and change the past. By educating yourself, as I did,
to all lies that are christianity. By researching your own Pagan roots
before christians destroyed your ancestors and destroyed nearly all the
wisdom and knowledge from your original culture. By denouncing the lie that
is christianity. I am even personally taking a stand on undoing the theft
of land that christians brought upon North America by leaving my land to
the Native American tribe that originally inhabited this area before
christians crippled their culture. It's no easy task trying to find out
what tribes were originally on your land when christians destroyed so much
of their history during their relentless invasions and murdering sprees
(read: human sacrifice, to appease their beliefs in a christian god).
Undoing the atrocities of the past is not for the weak of spirit nor weak
of mind, it takes a personal sacrifice. Perhaps that's why you and so many
others don't do it. You're all so fuckin' weak.

Go justify your hypocrisy some more. I have better things to do.


Robert Coe

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Dec 25, 2009, 6:58:38 PM12/25/09
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:40:47 -0600, Die Wahrheit
<diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:

: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:48:42 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
:
: >"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
: >news:1e6aj5pnlli3j8ard...@4ax.com...
: >> Oh that's funny. Showing respect by wishing a merry "christmas" on someone

You live in North America? I'm sorry to hear that. Frankly, I had hoped that
you lived somewhere on the other side of the world. (And to you guys who *do*
live on the other side of the world, I know I shouldn't wish that on you, and
I apologize.)

: Go justify your hypocrisy some more. I have better things to do.

Man, I sure hope so. It would be sad and a little scary if you didn't.

Bob

Atheist Chaplain

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Dec 25, 2009, 7:55:22 PM12/25/09
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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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================================================

so where is the bashing of Christmas, I wished them well, along with all the
others.
Maybe your just a little insecure and paranoid about your beliefs, If that
is the case them I feel a little sorrow for you, maybe its time you read the
Bible, I mean REALLY read it from cover to cover, read it as literature not
a holy script and see just how hateful and petulant your chosen deity is.
And as to why it is difficult to document all those from ancient texts, well
maybe the good christian habit of destroying all local knowledge and texts
when they invaded and desecrated vast areas of the world in their wars of
conquest has something to do with that.
Atheism is a religion just like baldness is a hair colour.
http://www.bettybowers.com/compare.html

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi

Atheist Chaplain

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Dec 25, 2009, 7:59:38 PM12/25/09
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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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======================================================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5T5ibb2E9I&feature=player_embedded

Ray Fischer

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Dec 25, 2009, 8:48:48 PM12/25/09
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It's only been 70 years since Christians tried ot exterminate Jews,
and even today many are intolerant of freedom for others.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Ray Fischer

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Dec 25, 2009, 8:49:40 PM12/25/09
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Worse. Treated like a Jew or Muslim.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Die Wahrheit

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Dec 25, 2009, 10:12:06 PM12/25/09
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It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest
human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."

HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.

Die Wahrheit

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Dec 25, 2009, 10:16:34 PM12/25/09
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On 26 Dec 2009 01:48:48 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest


human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."

HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.

As for the extermination of jews during the holocaust, how many of you are
even aware that all homosexuals that were badged with a pink-triangle (the
origin of that gay symbol) where thrown BACK into the concentration camps
by all the "loving christians" after the jews were freed? They died there.
The holocaust of gay people goes far beyond that of the jews, but you don't
even hear anyone talking about it today.

Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful
death.

Die Wahrheit

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Dec 25, 2009, 10:54:11 PM12/25/09
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On 26 Dec 2009 01:48:48 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest


human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."

HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.

As for the extermination of jews during the holocaust, how many of you are
even aware that all homosexuals that were badged with a pink-triangle (the

origin of that gay symbol) were thrown BACK into the concentration camps by

John McWilliams

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Dec 26, 2009, 12:21:40 AM12/26/09
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Die Wahrheit wrote:

> Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful
> death.

alt.photography removed.

Perhaps (or not) we can avoid this schmuck by not x-posting to alt.,
huh? Please?

--
john mcwilliams

Die Wahrheit

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Dec 26, 2009, 2:25:00 AM12/26/09
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:21:40 -0800, John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net>
wrote:

It's been only 15 years since christians used gay people as their latest


human sacrifice to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god, with their
war-cry of "Let all fags die of AIDS."

HIV actually was a "message from their god", as they so often claimed, and
still claim. But unfortunately it wasn't a message about all gay people, as
they had hoped and wished and believed. It was a message to the world of
how all christians know so little about love and respect for all others. It
was a message from their own god to the rest of the world of how all
christians are so completely self-serving, insecure, ignorant, and royally
fucked-up.

As for the extermination of jews during the holocaust, how many of you are
even aware that all homosexuals that were badged with a pink-triangle (the
origin of that gay symbol) were thrown BACK into the concentration camps by
all the "loving christians" after the jews were freed? They died there. The
holocaust of gay people goes far beyond that of the jews, but you don't
even hear anyone talking about it today.

Every last one of you fucking christian schmucks deserve to die a slow and
painful death.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 26, 2009, 7:26:47 AM12/26/09
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On Dec 25, 7:29 pm, Die Wahrheit <diewahrh...@somewherehonest.net>
wrote:
> bastardization of the holiday of Eostre, a Pagan Goddess of spring...
<snip lies>

Another atheist fouls himself with a series of statements, none of
which he knows to be true and all of which he posts out of malice.

Anonymous atheists... the lowest form of life in the food chain.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 26, 2009, 7:29:00 AM12/26/09
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On Dec 25, 9:30 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>---

>
> Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the
> Christians alone to bask in their own dreams of a happy afterlife. ...

No offence intended to you, then. Live and let live.

But you might look at what your co-religionists are getting up to. I
for one am sick to death of the annual ritual where, on Christmas day,
some scumbag posts "Christmas is really pagan! Tee hee" with a load
of fake "facts" which he hasn't checked and has no idea are true.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Roger Pearse

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On Dec 26, 12:55 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> so where is the bashing of Christmas... Maybe your just a little insecure
> and paranoid about your beliefs, If that <snip abuse, hate>

Denial, dishonesty, insults... heh.

Good of you to demonstrate the truth of what I said.

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And there's that good old fashioned "christian" snobbery and hate.
Corrupt your holiest of days, try to force everybody to accept it, and
then sneer at those who dare to object.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Alan Browne

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On 09-12-25 14:48 , Robert Coe wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:57:16 -0600, Die Wahrheit
> <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:
> : On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne

> :<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> :
> :>
> :>To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> :>however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
> :>
> :>Alan
> :
> : I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
> : christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
> : bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
>
> Christians are required to treat all people with dignity and respect; their
> founder was adamant on that point. When a Christian wishes you a merry
> Christmas, he's merely trying to meet that mandate, not force you to accept
> his "lies". Some Christians are indeed willfully ignorant, and some do try to
> force their beliefs on others. But that is NOT what Jesus intended, and
> Christians who actually try to follow his teachings don't behave that way. The
> Salvation Army, for example, consists mainly of conservative, bible-thumping
> Christian believers, but you wouldn't know it from the generosity and
> compassion they show to all the people they serve. Please recognize your
> preconceived notions for what they are and consider the possibility that they
> may not always be entirely accurate.
>
> Bob (who isn't much of a Christian but was nominally raised as one)

Like most of us. The season is more family and community traditions
than religious observance.

Best troll killer: ignore them.

Cheers,
Alan

Alan Browne

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On 09-12-25 4:49 , Pete wrote:

> Alan Browne wrote:
>> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and however
>> you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...
>
> Thanks Alan, and to you too. I hope you are having a most enjoyable day.
>
> The snow outside my house finally melted this morning, does Quebec have much
> snow?

"Quelques arpents de neige." -Voltaire describing Quebec (Canada
actually) as having little economic value to France.
(A few acres of snow). Voltaire was not an admirer of the Americas (mid
1700's).

A bit early this year in 2nd wk of Dec about 35 cm. 10 cm the other
day. Usually most snow is post x-mas. Calling for rain today, however.

If you're referring to the dump last week that hit the eastern seaboard,
it missed Quebec and barely hit Nova Scotia. My son flew out of Halifax
just missing the storm that in the end did little there.

Neil Harrington

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"John McWilliams" <jp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> [alt.photography out]

>
> Die Wahrheit wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:16 -0500, Alan Browne
>> <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
>>> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are
>>> nearby...
>
>> I guess I like celebrating the truth rather than some self-serving
>> christian lie just so I and others can temporarily "feel good" in some
>> bliss-ninny life imposed on them by an ignorance inducing religion.
>
> Sure, you can go fuck yourself if you wish!
>
> The rest: Merry Christmas, Channukah, Kwanza, Festivus, whatever.
> and a great 2010 as well.
>
> --
> john mcwilliams

It took me a few posts before I checked the headers, but I see "Die
Wahrheit" is just our familiar old pest, the P&S troll. He seems to be
having a lot more success with this thread, since nearly everyone was just
ignoring him before.


Neil Harrington

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"Robert Coe" <b...@1776.COM> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:40:47 -0600, Die Wahrheit
> <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote:

[ . . . ]

>
> : Go justify your hypocrisy some more. I have better things to do.
>
> Man, I sure hope so. It would be sad and a little scary if you didn't.

He doesn't, though. If he had "better things to do" why would he be spending
all this time and effort doing what he does here?


Die Wahrheit

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:41:41 -0500, "Neil Harrington" <ne...@home.com>
wrote:

Pot <> Kettle?

LOL

Wolfgang Weisselberg

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Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> "Quelques arpents de neige." -Voltaire describing Quebec (Canada
> actually) as having little economic value to France.
> (A few acres of snow). Voltaire was not an admirer of the Americas (mid
> 1700's).

Remember that was in the time of the little ice age. Of
course there was more snow then. (And with global warming,
one would expect less snow and ice all around, not more ...
but today eve sunspots and earthquakes will beblamed on
"global warming", it seems.)

-Wolfgang

Die Wahrheit

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A new oxymoron for 2010: "The Thinking christian"

Don't you just love these "put your blinders on, fools"?

They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region. They
never ask themselves why the Three Magi (Pagan Magicians, that's what Magi
means) came FROM the East and traveled to the West, by following a star in
the East. (huh? what? yep) They traveled 180 degrees from the correct birth
if you believe their christian stories. Or the Magi circumnavigated the
globe and managed to show up just west of where they started out.
christians can't even get basic compass directions correct. So whatever was
fictionally born in bethlehem wasn't even the right birth to celebrate.
Their own bible even claims that the birth of their imaginary savior (a
fictional character comprised of hundreds of earlier Pagan legends from
many cultures) wasn't until the "time of lambing", in the spring. The
evidence against any of the "christmas" traditions being even remotely
christian related is overwhelming and blatantly obvious to anyone with a
thinking and investigative mind. Except, of course, to any a fool who
blindly follows whatever they are told to follow and never questions
anything in their life.

But you go ahead. Keep your christian blinders on. Your bliss of
self-induced ignorance becomes you.

"There are none so lost as those who follow."


If you are not lost you have no need to follow anyone. If you follow
someone you will remain lost as long as you follow them. Catch-22. Follow
and remain lost or learn to think and reason for yourself. It's that
simple.

It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler. Neither Hitler nor their
imaginary jesus has ever been the problem, they never harmed one person.
All the atrocities brought about by their existence or the belief in them
was wrought upon humanity by their lost followers alone.

Bill Graham

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"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message
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> Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful
> death.
>

Speaking of blind, unreasoning prejudice........

tony cooper

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:55 -0500, "Neil Harrington" <ne...@home.com>
wrote:

>It took me a few posts before I checked the headers, but I see "Die

>Wahrheit" is just our familiar old pest, the P&S troll. He seems to be
>having a lot more success with this thread, since nearly everyone was just
>ignoring him before.
>

My German is shaky, but isn't "Die Wahrheit" "The Truth"? Ironic
since he seems to have a complete lack of regard for the truth.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Ray Fischer

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Bill Graham <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Die Wahrheit" <diewa...@somewherehonest.net> wrote in message

>> Every last one of you fucking christians deserve to die a slow and painful


>> death.
>>
>Speaking of blind, unreasoning prejudice........

And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I
am defending the handiwork of the Lord.
Adolph Hitler -- Mein Kampf

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

John McWilliams

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Or decency. Or forbearance. Or forthrightness.

Do tell us, o brave Sir, what is eating you up??

--
lsmft

John McWilliams

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Nice, Ray, this will really help.


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Savageduck

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It should, since using the direct route to Godwin on Dec 26, he has
brought this to an end.

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Robert Coe

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Since there's little chance that he knows, he's unlikely to tell us.

Bob

Wolfgang Weisselberg

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tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> My German is shaky, but isn't "Die Wahrheit" "The Truth"? Ironic
> since he seems to have a complete lack of regard for the truth.

Not really --- after all, one knows what came out of "Pravda"
(which, I understand, means "The Truth"). The slime is usually
opposite what it names itself, in this case it certainly is
"Die Große Lüge" (The Big Lie). Wikipedia reports:

| The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique.
| The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925
| autobiography Mein Kampf for a lie so "colossal" that no one
| would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort
| the truth so infamously".

... which certainly fits for the observed behaviour of that
particular lowlife, the P&S slime (it's neither intelligent nor
eloquent nor elegant enough for the loosest troll standards).

-Wolfgang

John McWilliams

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I disagree that he can't guess at what injustices have been done to him
personally, but absolutely agree there's little chance he has the
cajones to so state, however anonymously.

--
john mcwilliam s

Frank ess

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> the /cajones/ to so state, however anonymously.
caj�n masculino

A

1 (en un mueble) drawer; el caj�n de arriba/abajo the top/bottom
drawer; caj�n de sastre: este cap�tulo es un caj�n de sastre this
chapter is a bit of a hodgepodge (ingl�s norteamericano) o (ingl�s
brit�nico) a hotchpotch o a jumble of different things (familiar); esa
secci�n es el caj�n de sastre del peri�dico that's the miscellaneous o
oddments section of the newspaper; mi despacho es como un caj�n de
sastre adonde van a parar todas estas cosas my office acts as a kind
of dumping ground for all these things; de caj�n (familiar): de caj�n
que les dice que no he's bound to say no, you can bet your life he'll
say no; eso es de caj�n that's for sure, that goes without saying

2 (caja grande) tb caj�n de embalaje crate; (para mudanzas) packing
case; caj�n de fruta fruit box, orange box

3 (R�o de la Plata) (para botellas) crate

4 (Am�rica Latina) (ata�d) coffin, casket (ingl�s norteamericano)

B

1 (M�xico) (en un estacionamiento) parking space

2 (Chile) (Geograf�a) gulley, ravine

3 (Argentina) (en gimnasia) box

cojones masculino plural

A (vulgar) (test�culos) balls (plural) (argot o vulgar); estar hasta
los cojones (vulgar) to be pissed off (argot); hincharle los cojones a
alguien (vulgar) to piss somebody off (argot), to get up somebody's
nose (ingl�s brit�nico familiar); salirle a alguien de los cojones
(vulgar): yo digo lo que me sale de los cojones I say what I damn well
like! (familiar), I say what I bloody well like! (ingl�s brit�nico
argot); tener cojones (vulgar) to have guts (familiar), to have balls
(argot); tocarse los cojones (vulgar): nosotros aqu� trabajando como
monos y �l en casa toc�ndose los cojones we're here slaving away and
he's at home sitting on his butt (ingl�s norteamericano) o (ingl�s
brit�nico) backside (familiar), we're here slaving away and he's at
home doing damn o (ingl�s brit�nico) sod all (argot)

B (vulgar) (uso expletivo): hoy le toca a �l, �qu� cojones! it's his
damned turn today! (familiar); encima dice que yo tengo la culpa,
�manda cojones! and to cap it all, he says it's my fault, what a
nerve! o (ingl�s brit�nico) what a bloody cheek! (familiar); tiene que
pasar por aqu� por cojones he has to come this way whether he likes it
or not, he has to come this way, he's got no bloody choice (ingl�s
brit�nico argot); este coche de los cojones this damned car
(familiar), this sodding o bloody car (ingl�s brit�nico argot)

John McWilliams

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Frank ess wrote:
>
>
> John McWilliams wrote:
>> Robert Coe wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:40:08 -0800, John McWilliams
>>> <jp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:55 -0500, "Neil Harrington"
>>>>> <ne...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It took me a few posts before I checked the headers, but I see
>>>>>> "Die Wahrheit" is just our familiar old pest, the P&S troll. He
>>>>>> seems to be having a lot more success with this thread, since
>>>>>> nearly everyone was just ignoring him before.
>>>>
>>>>> My German is shaky, but isn't "Die Wahrheit" "The Truth"? Ironic
>>>>> since he seems to have a complete lack of regard for the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Or decency. Or forbearance. Or forthrightness.
>>>>
>>>> Do tell us, o brave Sir, what is eating you up??
>>>
>>> Since there's little chance that he knows, he's unlikely to tell
>>> us.
>>
>> I disagree that he can't guess at what injustices have been done to
>> him personally, but absolutely agree there's little chance he has
>> the /cajones/ to so state, however anonymously.
> cajón masculino
>
> A
>
> 1 (en un mueble) drawer; el cajón de arriba/abajo the top/bottom drawer;
> cajón de sastre: este capítulo es un cajón de sastre this chapter is a
> bit of a hodgepodge (inglés norteamericano) o (inglés británico) a
> hotchpotch o a jumble of different things (familiar); esa sección es el
> cajón de sastre del periódico that's the miscellaneous o oddments
> section of the newspaper; mi despacho es como un cajón de sastre adonde
> van a parar todas estas cosas my office acts as a kind of dumping ground
> for all these things; de cajón (familiar): de cajón que les dice que no
> he's bound to say no, you can bet your life he'll say no; eso es de
> cajón that's for sure, that goes without saying
>
> 2 (caja grande) tb cajón de embalaje crate; (para mudanzas) packing
> case; cajón de fruta fruit box, orange box
>
> 3 (Río de la Plata) (para botellas) crate
>
> 4 (América Latina) (ataúd) coffin, casket (inglés norteamericano)
>
> B
>
> 1 (México) (en un estacionamiento) parking space
>
> 2 (Chile) (Geografía) gulley, ravine

>
> 3 (Argentina) (en gimnasia) box
>
>
>
> cojones masculino plural
>
> A (vulgar) (testículos) balls (plural) (argot o vulgar); estar hasta los
> cojones (vulgar) to be pissed off (argot); hincharle los cojones a
> alguien (vulgar) to piss somebody off (argot), to get up somebody's nose
> (inglés británico familiar); salirle a alguien de los cojones (vulgar):
> yo digo lo que me sale de los cojones I say what I damn well like!
> (familiar), I say what I bloody well like! (inglés británico argot);
> tener cojones (vulgar) to have guts (familiar), to have balls (argot);
> tocarse los cojones (vulgar): nosotros aquí trabajando como monos y él
> en casa tocándose los cojones we're here slaving away and he's at home
> sitting on his butt (inglés norteamericano) o (inglés británico)
> backside (familiar), we're here slaving away and he's at home doing damn
> o (inglés británico) sod all (argot)
>
> B (vulgar) (uso expletivo): hoy le toca a él, ¡qué cojones! it's his
> damned turn today! (familiar); encima dice que yo tengo la culpa, ¡manda
> cojones! and to cap it all, he says it's my fault, what a nerve! o
> (inglés británico) what a bloody cheek! (familiar); tiene que pasar por
> aquí por cojones he has to come this way whether he likes it or not, he
> has to come this way, he's got no bloody choice (inglés británico
> argot); este coche de los cojones this damned car (familiar), this
> sodding o bloody car (inglés británico argot)

Sod it all! I mispoke/spelt. I did mean to say I don't think he has the
fortitude (balls, cojones) to directly address my question.
BTW, that's the most learned spelling lame I've ever seen.
Tx.
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John McWilliams

Atheist Chaplain

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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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========================================================

"Christians" with nothing more than hate in their hearts, the biggest
hypocrites on the internet.
And probably too stupid to understand the irony either.

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi

Atheist Chaplain

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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Denial, dishonesty, insults... heh.

=====================================================
where is the denial ??
I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and
obviously over compensating for your chosen belief ( a belief I have no
problem with generally)
And to be honest to yourself, lets not forget that you were the first to
issue the insults (Atheism... the religion for those too thick to be
scientologists and too dishonest to be anything else) ring any bells for you
or are you saying that YOUR the one in denial??
If you need another lesson in your Denial, dishonesty and insults I'm sure I
can accommodate you.

DRS

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"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:f44ef3be-30bc-4aea...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

[...]

Roger Pearse's text not cited properly by Bill so it loks like Bill's text
yet again:

> Nice claim. Now document it, from ancient texts. Oh you can't?
> Smile.
>
> Yes, it's bash the Christians time again!!!! What better way to
> celebrate the season of goodwill than by posting a few lies about
> those who created it? Get a little hate going, sneer a bit, jeer a
> bit... yes, it's what being an atheist is all about!
>
> Atheism... the religion for those too thick to be scientologists and
> too dishonest to be anything else.

Bill's new text:

> Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the

> Christians alone to bask in their own dreams of a happy afterlife. I,
> for example have no ax to grind.....I don't get any brownie points for
> converting Christians to atheism, (like they do for converting me) so
> I just leave them alone.....I even put up lights on my house, and
> erect a Christmas tree and the whole bit. I even play my horn for the
> Salvation Army in the malls. IOW, I am willing to go to anybody's
> party, so don't blame me......


DRS

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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-12-26 14:41:12 -0800, John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net>
> said:
>> Ray Fischer wrote:

[...]

>>> And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with
>>> the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the
>>> Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.
>>> Adolph Hitler -- Mein Kampf
>>>
>> Nice, Ray, this will really help.
>
> It should, since using the direct route to Godwin on Dec 26, he has
> brought this to an end.

Not so. References to Hitler or Nazis in general in response to something
said about the Holocaust does not invoke Godwin's Law.


Savageduck

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In that case, nevermind.
Everybody back to your keyboards and let's move on to Happy New Year!

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Savageduck

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On 2009-12-27 08:14:13 -0800, John A. <jo...@nowhere.invalid> said:

> By which calendar? ;)

Just warming up for the current Dec 31-Jan 1 festivities.

If I remember correctly we had the Gregorian-Julian calender debate
earlier this year. I don't think we need to relive that!

As for the various religious and cultural (Chinese, etc.) calenders,
let's just stick with the one seemingly driving our computers.

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John McWilliams

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You Freakin' NAZI!! Trying to impose =-uh, whatever- on us......

/Now can we invoke Godwin/???

Have a great one. I am trying to get on the road....

--
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Savageduck

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At last!


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Frank ess

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John McWilliams wrote:
> Frank ess wrote:
>>
>>
>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>> Robert Coe wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:40:08 -0800, John McWilliams
>>>> <jp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:55 -0500, "Neil Harrington"
>>>>>> <ne...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It took me a few posts before I checked the headers, but I see
>>>>>>> "Die Wahrheit" is just our familiar old pest, the P&S troll.
>>>>>>> He seems to be having a lot more success with this thread,
>>>>>>> since nearly everyone was just ignoring him before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> My German is shaky, but isn't "Die Wahrheit" "The Truth"?
>>>>>> Ironic since he seems to have a complete lack of regard for
>>>>>> the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or decency. Or forbearance. Or forthrightness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do tell us, o brave Sir, what is eating you up??
>>>>
>>>> Since there's little chance that he knows, he's unlikely to tell
>>>> us.
>>>
>>> I disagree that he can't guess at what injustices have been done
>>> to him personally, but absolutely agree there's little chance he
>>> has the /cajones/ to so state, however anonymously.

>> caj�n masculino
>>
>> A
>>
>> 1 (en un mueble) drawer; el caj�n de arriba/abajo the top/bottom
>> drawer; caj�n de sastre: este cap�tulo es un caj�n de sastre this


>> chapter is a bit of a hodgepodge (ingl�s norteamericano) o (ingl�s

>> brit�nico) a hotchpotch o a jumble of different things (familiar);
>> esa secci�n es el caj�n de sastre del peri�dico that's the


>> miscellaneous o oddments section of the newspaper; mi despacho es

>> como un caj�n de sastre adonde van a parar todas estas cosas my


>> office acts as a kind of dumping ground for all these things; de

>> caj�n (familiar): de caj�n que les dice que no he's bound to say
>> no, you can bet your life he'll say no; eso es de caj�n that's for
>> sure, that goes without saying 2 (caja grande) tb caj�n de embalaje
>> crate; (para mudanzas) packing


>> case; caj�n de fruta fruit box, orange box
>>
>> 3 (R�o de la Plata) (para botellas) crate
>>
>> 4 (Am�rica Latina) (ata�d) coffin, casket (ingl�s norteamericano)
>>
>> B
>>

>> 1 (M�xico) (en un estacionamiento) parking space
>>
>> 2 (Chile) (Geograf�a) gulley, ravine


>>
>> 3 (Argentina) (en gimnasia) box
>>
>>
>>
>> cojones masculino plural
>>

>> A (vulgar) (test�culos) balls (plural) (argot o vulgar); estar


>> hasta los cojones (vulgar) to be pissed off (argot); hincharle los
>> cojones a alguien (vulgar) to piss somebody off (argot), to get up

>> somebody's nose (ingl�s brit�nico familiar); salirle a alguien de


>> los cojones (vulgar): yo digo lo que me sale de los cojones I say
>> what I damn well like! (familiar), I say what I bloody well like!

>> (ingl�s brit�nico argot); tener cojones (vulgar) to have guts


>> (familiar), to have balls (argot); tocarse los cojones (vulgar):

>> nosotros aqu� trabajando como monos y �l en casa toc�ndose los


>> cojones we're here slaving away and he's at home sitting on his

>> butt (ingl�s norteamericano) o (ingl�s brit�nico) backside


>> (familiar), we're here slaving away and he's at home doing damn o

>> (ingl�s brit�nico) sod all (argot) B (vulgar) (uso expletivo): hoy
>> le toca a �l, �qu� cojones! it's


>> his damned turn today! (familiar); encima dice que yo tengo la
>> culpa, �manda cojones! and to cap it all, he says it's my fault,

>> what a nerve! o (ingl�s brit�nico) what a bloody cheek!
>> (familiar); tiene que pasar por aqu� por cojones he has to come


>> this way whether he likes it or not, he has to come this way, he's

>> got no bloody choice (ingl�s brit�nico argot); este coche de los


>> cojones this damned car (familiar), this sodding o bloody car

>> (ingl�s brit�nico argot)


>
> Sod it all! I mispoke/spelt. I did mean to say I don't think he has
> the fortitude (balls, cojones) to directly address my question.
> BTW, that's the most learned spelling lame I've ever seen.
> Tx.

It was easy, with the aid of Dr Oxford's Spanish Dictionary; always
glad to be of service!

Feylease anyo nwayvoh.

--
Frank ess

J. Clarke

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Dec 27, 2009, 1:33:12 PM12/27/09
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Nahh, one of the exceptions to Godwin is deliberate mention of Nazis in an
attempt to invoke Godwin.

Savageduck

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:06:35 PM12/27/09
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Curses!

Back to the keyboard - Happy New Year

This is begining to feel like a fascist plot.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

tony cooper

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:45:33 PM12/27/09
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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:35 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

Any mention of fascists makes the trains stop running on time.

Troy Piggins

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* Alan Browne wrote :

>
> To all, I wish you a very merry Christmas, however you name it and
> however you celebrate it, as long as loved ones and friends are nearby...

Hope you had a wonderful day, Alan.

I'm absolutely dumbfounded at how quickly your well-intended post
here has degraded into absolute hatred and vitriol.

I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.

--
Troy Piggins

Savageduck

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Dec 27, 2009, 5:23:47 PM12/27/09
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Only in Italy and Spain.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Alan Browne

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Thanks Troy,

We had a great Christmas, and I hope you did too.

I'm not religious myself, but the notion of a Christmas holiday and the
many (shifting) traditions around it are well ingrained. This even goes
as far as attending midnight service at a local Anglican church a few
years ago as it was something I did as a child and teen with my mother
every other year or so. Sentimental as opposed to religious reasons.

As to the few respondents who immediately turn it into a bait fest, I
can only say that they are very easily ignored and I'm a bit
disapointed, though not surprised that some chose to oxygenate rather
than simply starve the trolls of oxygen.

I've asked many times around the various photo ng's that people simply
ignore them, but they choose to engage rather than talk about
photography and/or equipment, the purpose of these ng's. Some people
just can't resist answering, even though it's the same answer they've
given to the same or similar trolls a hundred times... no wonder the
trolls come back for more. They get fat here.

Cheers Troy,
And a most Happy New Year to come.

Neil Harrington

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Dec 27, 2009, 6:23:00 PM12/27/09
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"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:55 -0500, "Neil Harrington" <ne...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
>>It took me a few posts before I checked the headers, but I see "Die
>>Wahrheit" is just our familiar old pest, the P&S troll. He seems to be
>>having a lot more success with this thread, since nearly everyone was just
>>ignoring him before.
>>
>
> My German is shaky, but isn't "Die Wahrheit" "The Truth"?

My German is surely shakier than yours, but Googling the phrase shows you
are correct.

> Ironic
> since he seems to have a complete lack of regard for the truth.

Yes, it's a curious name for this particular troll.


Noons

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Dec 27, 2009, 10:23:01 PM12/27/09
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Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 28/12/2009 10:08 AM:

>
> I've asked many times around the various photo ng's that people simply
> ignore them, but they choose to engage rather than talk about

And of course you yourself have numerous times engaged and encouraged trolling
when it suits your purposes.

> photography and/or equipment, the purpose of these ng's. Some people
> just can't resist answering, even though it's the same answer they've
> given to the same or similar trolls a hundred times... no wonder the
> trolls come back for more. They get fat here.

Not that you never got fat either...

b...@myhouse.com

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:15:37 AM12/28/09
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...and all a guy has to do nowadays to get labelled 'bigot' is express a little concern
regarding Islam, maybe say it's different from other religions, and the flamers come
out of their closets...

Bill Graham

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:49:45 AM12/28/09
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"Troy Piggins" <usene...@piggo.com> wrote in message
news:2009122...@usenet.piggo.com...

> I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
> and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
> a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.
>
> --
> Troy Piggins

As a "closet atheist", I have to say that is the understatement of the
century......:^)

Bill Graham

Noons

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:43:43 AM12/28/09
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Troy Piggins wrote,on my timestamp of 28/12/2009 9:16 AM:

> I am not a religious person, but don't find it too hard to accept
> and give good wishes whenever I can, regardless of beliefs. It's
> a shame religion has to get in the way of people getting along.
>

Very true. Funny enough, I found recently a lot of my high school friends on
the net, we are now thinking of a big get together at some stage in 2010. A lot
of them are muslims and others catholics or agnostic like me. I don't think
that'll be a problem, it never was in the 40 years we've known each other, but
then again hardly any of us spends time in or believes anything in the Usenet...

Roger Pearse

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:12:29 AM12/28/09
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On Dec 27, 12:28 pm, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

<abuse snipped>

No answer? Well, shrieking lies will rebuild your reputation, won't
it? Oh.

Piss off, loser.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:13:11 AM12/28/09
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On Dec 26, 1:34 pm, John A. <j...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 04:29:00 -0800 (PST),Roger Pearse
>
>
>
>
>
> <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> >On Dec 25, 9:30 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:f44ef3be-30bc-4aea...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >>---

>
> >> Hey! Don't knock all us atheists. Some of us are happy to leave the
> >> Christians alone to bask in their own dreams of a happy afterlife. ...
>
> >No offence intended to you, then.  Live and let live.
>
> >But you might look at what your co-religionists are getting up to.  I
> >for one am sick to death of the annual ritual where, on Christmas day,
> >some scumbag posts "Christmas is really pagan!  Tee hee" with a load
> >of fake "facts" which he hasn't checked and has no idea are true.
>
> I must have missed something. All I saw was a list of religious
> celebrations, presumably occurring around this time, in the form of
> greetings to those celebrating them. No claims of origin in regards to
> any of them. Seems you read something into the post that wasn't there,

Yeah, right.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:15:32 AM12/28/09
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On Dec 26, 6:34 pm, Die Wahrheit <diewahrh...@somewherehonest.net>
> A new oxymoron for 2010: "The Thinking christian"
> Don't you just love these "put your blinders on, fools"?

Nice to see an atheist chanting his creed: "all Christians must be
idiots because there are so many more of them than us".

Let me guess; this atheist can't even state his beliefs, never mind
offer evidence for them. All he can do is repeat jeers and slogans.

> They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
> northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region...
> (snip)
> It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
> destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
> imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler.

Considering that Chinese atheists are even now shoving bamboo
splinters under the fingernails of Christians, while shouting lies
just like this, you really must be a sick scumbag.

Piss off, you hater.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:16:30 AM12/28/09
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On Dec 26, 2:10 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> Roger Pearse <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> ================================================
>
> >> so where is the bashing of Christmas... Maybe your just a little insecure
> >> and paranoid about your beliefs, If that <snip abuse, hate>
>
> >Denial, dishonesty, insults... heh.
>
> And there's that good old fashioned "christian" <jeers, hate>

No answer? I thought not.

Atheism... the religion of the shithead everywhere.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 28, 2009, 9:17:28 AM12/28/09
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Denial noted. Smile.

> I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
> maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.

> I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and..
<snip abuse>

No answer? Smile.

Message has been deleted

Ray Fischer

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:35:44 PM12/28/09
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>>And there's that good old fashioned "christian" snobbery and hate.
>>Corrupt your holiest of days, try to force everybody to accept it, and
>>then sneer at those who dare to object.


>
>No answer? I thought not.

The answer's right there. Maybe if you weren't so consumed by hate
you'd be able to understand why you get so lilttle respect.

>Atheism... the religion of the shithead everywhere.

"Denial, dishonesty, insults"

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Atheist Chaplain

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Dec 29, 2009, 7:45:38 AM12/29/09
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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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<abuse snipped>

Piss off, loser.

=================================================

well the answer is there for you, just because you snipped it does not make
it go away, Hate filled Christians like yourself seem to be good at ignoring
what they do not want or are incapable of understanding.
As I said earlier, comprehension isn't on your list of abilities so maybe
you should stop hurling the insults for a minute and take stock, because
your making it plainly obvious to everyone by your behavior here that your a
Christian in name only, as a matter of fact I am willing to bet I adhere to
more Christian values than you ever have.
May the new year bring you everything you deserve :-)
--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi

Atheist Chaplain

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Dec 29, 2009, 7:47:20 AM12/29/09
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"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> Touch�. :)

I don't think Irony is one of his strong suites either John :-)
Anyway, have a Great new year :-)

Atheist Chaplain

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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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================================================

I suppose you dont see the irony in that last statement of yours...........
nah I didnt think so :-)

================================================


> They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
> northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region...
> (snip)
> It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
> destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
> imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler.

Considering that Chinese atheists are even now shoving bamboo
splinters under the fingernails of Christians, while shouting lies
just like this, you really must be a sick scumbag.

================================================

Proof, or are you just making stuff up, like your imaginary friend...

================================================
Piss off, you hater.

Someone call the fire brigade, there is a steaming hunk of Irony that's just
crashed into my front yard............

Atheist Chaplain

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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Denial noted. Smile.

lack of comprehension skills noted <sigh>

> I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
> maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
> I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and..
<snip abuse>

No answer? Smile.

Answer deleted because of aforementioned lack of comprehension skills <sigh>

I leave you with this question Roger, what has your god done for you today
that you couldn't have done for yourself ??

Atheist Chaplain

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"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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===================================================

you seem to be going about disproving that as a one man hate filled
Christian Roger, might be time to reconsider your stance and moderate your
obvious hatred of something you are incapable of understanding.

Robert Coe

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:55:28 +1100, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
: "Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message

The answer to that is pretty easy to guess. He thinks his god is helping him
think up the venomous insults he throws at you.

Bob

Roger Pearse

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Dec 29, 2009, 3:46:34 PM12/29/09
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> I suppose you dont <snip jeer>

QED

> ================================================
>
> > They go through life, never asking themselves what a pine-tree from a
> > northern climate has to do with a fictional birth in a desert region...
> > (snip)
> > It is always the mindless lost followers who always bring the most
> > destruction upon humanity and the world. From those following their
> > imaginary jesus to those who followed Hitler.
>
> Considering that Chinese atheists are even now shoving bamboo
> splinters under the fingernails of Christians, while shouting lies
> just like this, you really must be a sick scumbag.
>
> ================================================
>
> Proof

The usual demand of the cornered atheist... prove to me what I could
find for myself but don't want to. Smile.

>, or are you just making stuff up, like your imaginary friend...

Projection noted.

Still peddling the hate, I notice.

>> Piss off, you hater.
>
> Someone <cheap jeer>

Try to be original as you foul yourself.

Roger Pearse

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Dec 29, 2009, 3:48:48 PM12/29/09
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Projection noted. Smile.

Can't offer a rational reply? Going for the troll approach? Yes, you
must be an atheist.... :-)

> > I acknowledge that I mentioned Christmas in my happy holiday greeting, or
> > maybe comprehension is one of those things you have yet to master.
> > I don't take back my further assessment that your a little paranoid and..
>
> <snip abuse>
>
> No answer?  Smile.
>
> Answer deleted because of aforementioned lack of comprehension skills <sigh>

Run, rabbit, run.

> I leave you with this question Roger, what has your god done for you today
> that you couldn't have done for yourself ??

He's provided me with evidence that atheism involves wilful
stupidity. Thanks for helping.

Good luck with your mindless religion.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

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