"I'm a Greenpeace spy !!" or The hazards of Landscape photography
Tony Parkinson
some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55 motorway. I
got back to my car, unloaded the roll of Velvia I had shot and was just
putting my camera bag in the back of the car when this 4WD screams up, the
farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for photographing
his field and demands I give him the film !!
I gave him the roll of own-brand 200 speed print film I had in my bag that
Jessops gave me last time I had a print film processed there !!
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Randy Howard
NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com says...
> This evening, I drove over to Wharles (about 20 minutes from home) to take
> some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55 motorway. I
> got back to my car, unloaded the roll of Velvia I had shot and was just
> putting my camera bag in the back of the car when this 4WD screams up, the
> farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for photographing
> his field and demands I give him the film !!
>
> I gave him the roll of own-brand 200 speed print film I had in my bag that
> Jessops gave me last time I had a print film processed there !!
Now that is funny. What exactly would a Greenpeace spy do with these
photos, once obtained? Pity, he'll never even figure out that you
fooled him, since it probably won't ever be printed.
:-)
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Steve Ashton
you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the film.
No-one, not even the police, has.
Steve
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Bob Boudreau
of an abandoned farm house. I'm a model railroader, and wanted
the shots as a reference how wood aged, shingles sagged, etc.
As I was getting ready to take a shot, an old lady stuck her
head out of the doorway of an adjacent mobile home and
hollered "they didn't want pictures taken of the old house".
I told her that I was taking photos for myself and continued to
do so, from the public roadway. Got back in the car and started
taking my cameras from around my neck when I noticed in the rear
view mirror a car had pulled up behind me.
Fearing the worst - I assumed the lady had called a nearby
relative - I was scrambling to find my keys when the big young
guy stuck his head in the window. He only wanted to ask me
directions! Was I ever relieved! I was sure he was either
going to belt me one or demand the film.
Got off easy that day. Got the photos too. Glad I did, because
the old home was torn down the next time I passed by the area.
Bob Boudreau
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Veggie Dave
<st...@carregwen.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>And broke the law by doing so. You should have called the police - even IF
>you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the film.
>No-one, not even the police, has.
There's also the fact that if you were a Greenpeace photographer you'd
have been surrounded by direct action protesters ripping his field to
pieces...
Perhaps you should make a quick phone to a certain organisation that may
be very interested in your experience ;-)
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John Halliwell
<st...@carregwen.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>And broke the law by doing so. You should have called the police - even IF
>you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the film.
>No-one, not even the police, has.
That was my first reaction. But on reflection maybe it was the smart
thing to do under the circumstances. I'd never give up important film,
but unexposed wouldn't really be a problem.
--
John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
Tony Spadaro
"Tony Parkinson" <arparkinson@btinternet> wrote:
> This evening, I drove over to Wharles (about 20 minutes from home) to
take
> some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55
motorway. I
> got back to my car, unloaded the roll of Velvia I had shot and was
just
> putting my camera bag in the back of the car when this 4WD screams
up, the
> farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for
photographing
> his field and demands I give him the film !!
>
> I gave him the roll of own-brand 200 speed print film I had in my bag
that
> Jessops gave me last time I had a print film processed there !!
>
> Come to Photocountry
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>
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>This evening, I drove over to take some >photos of a Rape field.
>I got back to my car when this 4WD >screams up, the farmer gets out, >accuses
me of being a "Greenpeace spy" >for photographing his field and demands I >give
him the film !!
Imagine that! You were raped for a roll of film with a rape field on it!
AF.
Tony Parkinson
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> In article <8ejp3d$7as$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Steve Ashton
> <st...@carregwen.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >And broke the law by doing so. You should have called the police - even
IF
> >you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the
film.
> >No-one, not even the police, has.
>
> have been surrounded by direct action protesters ripping his field to
> pieces...
>
> Perhaps you should make a quick phone to a certain organisation that may
> be very interested in your experience ;-)
>
I think I'll phone Monsanto !!!
;-)
Peter M
Tony Spadaro wrote:
> Save the Wharles!
> --
That is so baaaad. But it does bring new meaning to the old bumper
sticker:
Land rights for gay wharles
Peter
CHRIS HO
-Chris
John Halliwell wrote:
> In article <8ejp3d$7as$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Steve Ashton
> <st...@carregwen.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >And broke the law by doing so. You should have called the police - even IF
> >you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the film.
> >No-one, not even the police, has.
>
> That was my first reaction. But on reflection maybe it was the smart
> thing to do under the circumstances. I'd never give up important film,
> but unexposed wouldn't really be a problem.
>
> --
> John
>
> Preston, Lancs, UK.
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Charlie Dilks
NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com wrote on 4/26/00 6:33 PM:
> I gave him the roll of own-brand 200 speed print film I had in my bag that
> Jessops gave me last time I had a print film processed there !!
Mean guy. Nice trick.
Around 15 or so years ago I went to Centralia, PA, the place which I believe
is now pretty much a ghost town due to the coal fires burning underground.
Aside from wanting to get some IR shots of the actual fires, I was just
driving around shooting pictures. I had driven up a long gravel road that
went to the top of a hill. It overlooked a vast valley that had some kind of
coal operation going on.
I was shooting 300mm or so shots of a tall coal loading machine when I
noticed someone come out of a cabin and start climbing up the high hill I
was on top of. The hill was actually a big pile of coal rubble. Tough
climbing. He was a big burly young guy.
He got to the top of the hill, just barely, he was plumb tuckered. In a
polite, but businesslike tone asked me what I was doing there taking
pictures. I told him; just a hobbiest wanting to shoot the coal fires.
I let him look through my camera, it was still pointed at the loader. I
showed him my DE drivers license and tags. He was convinced I wasn't a
"newsperson" and told me how to get to some good places where the fire was
visible from outside.
I went to one of them. Way out in the boonies to this campground camper. I
was wandering around the heavy bush looking for the fire and feeling very
"in the wild." I heard some big, heavy rustling in the bushes headed toward
me. I have to admit, all I could think of was =BEAR=.
I pulled out my 6" hunting knife and was backing away from the sound.
Turned out to be a local out for a walk, but that's another story.
--
Charlie Dilks Newark, DE USA
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me. I have to admit, all I could think of was =BEAR=.
I pulled out my 6" hunting knife and was backing away from the sound.
Turned out to be a local out for a walk, but that's another story.>>
Was it the Banjo Boy from "Deliverance?"
Kent in SD
Tony Parkinson
Just as a follow on, I subsequently told everyone at my local Photographic
Society what a wonderful location this field was !!!
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wanted to take a picture of the mountain backdroup against the city
(with a point and shoot), along comes a policeman with a machine gun,
telling me "no picture".
Needless to say I heeded his words and did not take the pic......
Back to lurking, bruce
Jsn234
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<< Subject: Re: "I'm a Greenpeace spy !!" or The hazards of Landscape
photography
From: "Steve Ashton" st...@carregwen.fsnet.co.uk
Date: Mon, May 1, 2000 4:21 AM
Message-id: <8ejp3d$7as$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>
And broke the law by doing so. You should have called the police - even IF
you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the film.
No-one, not even the police, has.
Steve
Randy Howard <rhowa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8e7rgd$504$2...@uranium.btinternet.com>,
> NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com says...
> > This evening, I drove over to Wharles (about 20 minutes from home) to
take
> > some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55 motorway.
I
> > got back to my car, unloaded the roll of Velvia I had shot and was just
> > putting my camera bag in the back of the car when this 4WD screams up,
the
> > farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for
photographing
> > his field and demands I give him the film !!
> >
> > I gave him the roll of own-brand 200 speed print film I had in my bag
that
> > Jessops gave me last time I had a print film processed there !!
> >>
And...
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Date: Mon, May 1, 2000 12:54 PM
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In article <8e7rgd$504$2...@uranium.btinternet.com>,
"Tony Parkinson" <arparkinson@btinternet> wrote:
> This evening, I drove over to Wharles (about 20 minutes from home) to take
(LOTS SNIPPED)
>
Save the Wharles! >>
Save the film!
P.S.: Gracie is pregnant...
Kirk: How do you know this?
Spock: She told me... (all wharles use Kodachrome and swim near Mount Fuji)
Jsn234
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Date: Tue, May 2, 2000 11:39 AM
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Groan !!!
Just as a follow on, I subsequently told everyone at my local Photographic
Society what a wonderful location this field was !!!
:-) >>
Next you should put up a sign that says, "Greenpeace Spy Lookout point - Place
camera Here For Best view" along with a coin operated Nikon F5 or EOS 3 on a
tripod (both bolted for security) for those rich onlookers who'd like to
capture their favorite Greenpeace spy photographs to bring home as postcards.
Next to the camera and the sign you can put up a stand and sell film for the
express purpose of being handed over to irate farmers.
Photo tips and landscape workshops are given by Arnold the pig, of course...
but make sure you bring your Greenpeace Express card, he won't accept
Mastercard or Visa (Jessops film or pig feed is a toss up though... :-)).
And...
Tony Spadaro
"Tony Parkinson" <arparkinson@btinternet> wrote:
> Groan !!!
>
> Just as a follow on, I subsequently told everyone at my local
Photographic
> Society what a wonderful location this field was !!!
>
If you publish it widely enough that farmer might be able to open his
own film store by harvest time.
I wonder what genetically mutated mustard does. Do you suppose it
crawls out of the jar and spreads itself on the weiner?
The Reids
>putting my camera bag in the back of the car when this 4WD screams up, the
>farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for photographing
>his field and demands I give him the film !!
and they wonder why we dont want to increase the subsidies ! I shall
now carry some of that timeexpired free film at the back of the fridge
in case I meet one with a gun, but otherwise I think I will go for a
polite f*** o** !
Mike Reid
My efforts at landscape photographs at:-
"http://users.outdoor-pursuits.com/fellwalker/pict052.htm"
jack_...@my-deja.com
> I wonder what genetically mutated mustard does. Do you suppose it
> crawls out of the jar and spreads itself on the weiner?
Only me...
take
I
> > got back to my car, unloaded the roll of Velvia I had shot and was just
the
> > farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for
photographing
> > his field and demands I give him the film !!
Why did you even give him that? I would have told him to **** off, or
he gets a tripod wrapped around his head. Where you on his land? If so,
that's a different matter, but if you weren't, you really should have told
him to **** off.
David.
Michael A. Covington
people is, "If you don't want people to see it, don't put it out in public
view!"
Michael A. Covington
> take
> > > some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55
motorway.
Rapeseed (canola)? Why would that be controversial? Or did you mean
something else?
> the
> > > farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for
> photographing
> > > his field and demands I give him the film !!
Weird...
Only me...
"Michael A. Covington" <See http://www.CovingtonInnovations.com for address>
wrote in message news:8gp1kc$3eq$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
...and then hit him with your tripod, right? Right? :-)
Only me...
> > > > This evening, I drove over to Wharles (about 20 minutes from home)
to
> > take
> > > > some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55
> motorway.
Probably genetically modified rape seed then if he's so edgy. I
advocate liberal use of the tripod :-)
Benjamin Librande
"Only me..." wrote:
> > In article <8e7rgd$504$2...@uranium.btinternet.com>,
> > NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com says...
> > > This evening, I drove over to Wharles (about 20 minutes from home) to
> take
> > > some photos of a Rape field I had noticed adjacent to the M55 motorway.
> I
> > > got back to my car, unloaded the roll of Velvia I had shot and was just
> > > putting my camera bag in the back of the car when this 4WD screams up,
> the
> > > farmer gets out, accuses me of being a "Greenpeace spy" for
> photographing
> > > his field and demands I give him the film !!
>
> Why did you even give him that? I would have told him to **** off, or
> he gets a tripod wrapped around his head. Where you on his land? If so,
> that's a different matter, but if you weren't, you really should have told
> him to **** off.
>
> David.
You should call greenpeace and any other environmental advocacy group near you
and tell them what happened. Maybe they'll send out a couple people to snoop,
annoy and get revenge on the farmer for taking your film.
Michael A. Covington
near
> >you
> >and tell them what happened. Maybe they'll send out a couple people to
snoop,
> >annoy and get revenge on the farmer for taking your film.
>
Neither green nor peace? :)
Radimus
attitude adjustment. Why waste a perfectly good Bogen or Slik by
bludgeoning some stupid farmer with it? Ball bats are far more
effective for this purpose, and a lot cheaper. More specificly, the
aluminum bats as tissue can get embedded in the wooden ones.
Rad
In article <EeTX4.5987$F31.7...@news3.cableinet.net>,
"Only me..." <davebg@[nospam]globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Why did you even give him that? I would have told him to ****
off, or
> he gets a tripod wrapped around his head. Where you on his land? If
so,
> that's a different matter, but if you weren't, you really should have
told
> him to **** off.
>
> David.
>
>
DWA652
>you
>and tell them what happened. Maybe they'll send out a couple people to snoop,
>annoy and get revenge on the farmer for taking your film.
That sounds like Greenpeace.
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Only me...
"Steve Ashton" <st...@carregwen.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> And broke the law by doing so. You should have called the police - even IF
> you were a "Greenpeace spy", he had absolutely no right to demand the
film.
> No-one, not even the police, has.
>
Unless you're under arrest of course.
David.
Only me...
> Perhaps you should make a quick phone to a certain organisation that may
> be very interested in your experience ;-)
Good point. If he IS so edgy, then he probably IS growing GM crops.
SO perhaps you SHOULD call Greanpeace, just out of spite.
David.
Only me...
> Neither green nor peace? :)
>
>
>
I think you'll find Greenpeace committed to non-violent, but active protest,
where others sit back in apathy. You actually owe them a debt of thanks for
many things you will probably never realise. Oh well. They don't do it
for gratitude. They do it because no one else will.
Only me...
"Radimus" <rad...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> I'm sorry, but I can't condone the use of a tripod for the purposes or
> attitude adjustment. Why waste a perfectly good Bogen or Slik by
> bludgeoning some stupid farmer with it? Ball bats are far more
> effective for this purpose, and a lot cheaper. More specificly, the
> aluminum bats as tissue can get embedded in the wooden ones.
>
> Rad
Actually, my Manfrotto 190 (bogen... something or other ;-)) was
useful in that role once in the Philippines. This little guy pulled out
this evil knife on day in Manila, and jabbered away in Tagalog at me - when
I didn't respond, he swung at me with the blade so close I heard it whistle
past my face. It became obvious I was being mugged. So I hit the little
prick with my Manfrotto 190, as hard as I could, in the face. The tripod
wasn't even dented. Now THAT'S engineering! Seems fair to me. He wanted
to KILL me, all he got was broken teeth. Fair exchange if you ask me. NO
ONE gives me s**t when i'm working, not irate Lancashire farmers, nor Manila
street scum. They get the same treatment: Tripod, and lots of it. One
reason why I heartily recommend the 190. Strong, light, and small enough to
wield as a weapon if you're in a slightly less than desirable area one day.
David.
Michael A. Covington
I should have added that the real Greenpeace had not yet turned up in this
discussion -- only a variety of substitutes and parodies.
Michael A. Covington
> >SO perhaps you SHOULD call Greanpeace, just out of spite.
>
*chuckle* One of the maxims I lived by, when chairing our computer security
team (which I did for several years), is that people who are in the wrong
will accuse *themselves*. They'll be secretive about things they have no
reason to be secretive about; they'll object to people knowing things that
supposedly aren't secret.
And it does look very suspicious when a farmer doesn't want his field
(presumably next to a highway) photographed.
If that field were over here in the USA I'd look a little closer for
marijuana in it! Maybe it's not all rapeseed. :)
Andy White
nice cricket bat :)
Tony Parkinson
> attitude adjustment. Why waste a perfectly good Bogen or Slik by
> bludgeoning some stupid farmer with it? Ball bats are far more
> effective for this purpose, and a lot cheaper. More specificly, the
> aluminum bats as tissue can get embedded in the wooden ones.
>
Tony Parkinson
news:3930550D...@chat.carleton.ca...
>
> You should call greenpeace and any other environmental advocacy group near
you
> and tell them what happened. Maybe they'll send out a couple people to
snoop,
> annoy and get revenge on the farmer for taking your film.
>
Greenpeace, Fiends of the Earth or any other bunch of flatearthers, since I
have even more contempt for them than I have for Monsanto !!
Tony Parkinson
news:uS5Y4.7159$F31.8...@news3.cableinet.net...
> "Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Da...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:+G5EZpAf...@bikehouse.demon.co.uk...
> > Perhaps you should make a quick phone to a certain organisation that may
> > be very interested in your experience ;-)
>
> SO perhaps you SHOULD call Greanpeace, just out of spite.
>
little edgy about all the publicity GM Rape was getting and the illegal and
often violent behaviour of the anarchist scum that have proliferated the
green movement. On reflection, he may have been growing GM ape since a
Canadian company secretly and illegally sold it in this country without
identifying it as GM and the bunch of pillocks affectionately known as "New
Labour" covered it up for a month.
once again, whilst I am unequivocally opposed to GM products, I have no
intention of contacting Greenpiss, Fiends of the Earth or any other bunch of
flatearthers since I regard their behaviour to be worse than that of
Monsanto.
Only me...
"J@home" <J...@oaknet.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a9u1jssfo239ppl0n...@4ax.com...
> Why not give us the grid reference and then we can post a lovely
> catalogue of his field for the biologists to examine.... ;-)
hey, whoever started this thread, beak out the OS map, or teh GPS if
you're rich :-)
David.
Only me...
> Lordy, David, you should be in advertising ;-)
The Manfrotto 190 Mini-Pro! It can save your life! Nah... don't
think it's quite the right angle :-)
David.
John Halliwell
<NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com> writes
For those UK posters (or others who have access to the programme), there
was an episode of 'A Touch of Frost' a few years ago. A female
photographer was being attacked by the bad guy at home. She did away
with him by ramming the legs of her folded tripod (I didn't recognise
the make/model), ground spikes first, into his throat.
--
John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
Only me...
> I should have added that the real Greenpeace had not yet turned up in this
> discussion -- only a variety of substitutes and parodies.
Well, your talking to one right now.
David.
Only me...
"Tony Parkinson" <NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:8grcbn$5j7$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...
> As the original poster, let me just repeat I have no intention of calling
> Greenpeace, Fiends of the Earth or any other bunch of flatearthers, since
I
> have even more contempt for them than I have for Monsanto !!
Why?
Only me...
> once again, whilst I am unequivocally opposed to GM products, I have no
> intention of contacting Greenpiss, Fiends of the Earth or any other bunch
of
> flatearthers since I regard their behaviour to be worse than that of
> Monsanto.
Behaviour? What behaviour would that be? I hope you don't associate
the minority of fundamentalists, and that bunch of lunatics that went
berserk in Trafalgar square the other week with those who simply raise
people's awareness about environmental issues. That would be terribly short
sighted and prejudiced. I'm a member of Greenpeace, and I take offence at
your remarks. What's wrong with being concerned about the only planet we
have to live on? You can care without being a tree-hugging hippy you know?
People often look slightly oddly at the Greenpeace sticker in the rear
window of my TVR Griffith, but supercars like that only amount to around
1.5% of all traffic, so who cares? Get the image of long haired retards
driving Citroen 2CVs out of your head right away please, as it's not true. I
, like many others, simply wish to balance our resources, and technology in
a manageable way that doesn't leave us all gasping for breath in a hundred
years from now. It can be done, and groups like Greenpeace are instrumental
in seeing that it is done.
David.
Veggie Dave
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
>Get the image of long haired retards
David, if you're gonna bitch about one person's stereotypical ideas
about a certain sub-culture I seriously suggest you don't then resort to
the same stupidity yourself.
Next time, engage your brain
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John Halliwell
>the minority of fundamentalists, and that bunch of lunatics that went
>berserk in Trafalgar square the other week with those who simply raise
>people's awareness about environmental issues. That would be terribly short
>sighted and prejudiced.
Either way, political views aside, Greenpeace's photographers certainly
come up with some stunning shots.
Personally I agree in their ideals, although some of their methods are
questionable (blocking outflow pipes springs immediately to mind). I've
no problem with them chaining themselves to oil rigs, sailing into
nuclear test areas and other action that doesn't involve the general
public though.
At least Greenpeace's attitude is far better in many respects than other
groups and the attitude of many governments. As photographers we should
remember Fernando Pereira, killed in the bombing of Rainbow Warrior, a
disgraceful act.
Tony Parkinson
Earth Anarchists can go terrorising a farmer who was already worried about
them !!
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> "J@home" <J...@oaknet.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> > As the original poster, let me just repeat I have no intention of
calling
> > Greenpeace, Fiends of the Earth or any other bunch of flatearthers,
since
> I
> > have even more contempt for them than I have for Monsanto !!
>
> Why?
>
refuses to denounce those who commit violence and crime in it's name
Only me...
> I started it, I'm not giving out the location so Greenpiss & Fiends of the
> Earth Anarchists can go terrorising a farmer who was already worried about
> them !!
Grenpeace don't do that sort of thing, will you stop saying that? It's
not true, and is actually an insult to me as a member of Greenpeace. You're
groundless assumptions are starting to make you look like a bigot.
Everyone has the right to peaceful protest if they wish.
David.
Only me...
>
> David, if you're gonna bitch about one person's stereotypical ideas
> about a certain sub-culture I seriously suggest you don't then resort to
> the same stupidity yourself.
Huh? I'm not, I'm exploding what is obviously HIS idea of a Greenpeace
member. I've got no idea what you're talking about. I know that there are
no long haired retards driving Citroens, that's my point. Are you stupid?
David.
Only me...
> I have contempt for any organisation which claims to be "non-violent" but
> refuses to denounce those who commit violence and crime in it's name
Greenpeace have never done such a thing, and do not condonen any violent
act against other people. Where you get this idea from is beyind me, but
you need to find a more accurate source of information.
Mike
"Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Da...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> In article <GkhY4.8714$F31.1...@news3.cableinet.net>, Only me...
> <davebg@[nospam]> writes
> > Huh? I'm not, I'm exploding what is obviously HIS idea of a
Greenpeace
> >member. I've got no idea what you're talking about. I know that there
are
> >no long haired retards driving Citroens, that's my point. Are you
stupid?
>
> If you're too stupid to see what you did then I suggest you shut the
> fuck up until you learn to use your brain
>
> And if you want a flame war then I really am the person to continue
> spouting your bullshit at
Veggie Dave
DJA
technology in
> a manageable way that doesn't leave us all gasping for breath in a
hundred
> years from now. It can be done, and groups like Greenpeace are
instrumental
> in seeing that it is done.
Is that why Greenpeace is such a big opponent of nuclear energy
production? A nuclear reactor produces far less pollution per unit
energy obtained than any other "active" power-production means.
Solar, windmill, and geothermal are "passive", but the sum of their
energy production is by far too insufficient for even a reduced
demand. Hydro-electric is great, but causes great harm to the local
environment.
If Greenpiss understood the problems, they would be all for nuclear
technology advancement, and doing research for a controlled fusion
reaction (where the only byproducts are water, hydrogen, and heat),
and eventual phasing out of the current fission reaction (byproducts
are depleted uranium and other nasty stuff...). Instead, they protest
this and try to convince us we should all do away with gas,
electricity, and modern stuff, and we should all ride horses to work.
Turn off your computer. You're burning up too much coal making the
damn thing run.
DJA
DJA
sufficient counterweight to get some great leverage. Plus, the black
no-glare finish is great for concealability. Maybe the SEALs should
consider using tripods....
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>
> "Radimus" <rad...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8gpt74$qra$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > I'm sorry, but I can't condone the use of a tripod for the
purposes or
> > attitude adjustment. Why waste a perfectly good Bogen or Slik by
> > bludgeoning some stupid farmer with it? Ball bats are far more
> > effective for this purpose, and a lot cheaper. More specificly,
the
> > aluminum bats as tissue can get embedded in the wooden ones.
> >
Tony Parkinson
>
> > Perhaps you should make a quick phone to a certain organisation that may
> > be very interested in your experience ;-)
>
> Good point. If he IS so edgy, then he probably IS growing GM crops.
> SO perhaps you SHOULD call Greanpeace, just out of spite.
>
>
Although I did not contact Greenpiss & Fiends of the Earth for reasons
outlined in other posts, I did tell all the other members of my local
Photographic Society what a good place it was to photograph Rape fields
:^)
Tony Parkinson
their agenda, however their failure to condemn the violent action taken by
those who "latch on" to their protests, could be construed as tacit approval
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"Only me..." <davebg@[nospam]globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Tony Parkinson" <NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:8gs22i$lg$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...
> > I started it, I'm not giving out the location so Greenpiss & Fiends of
the
Tony Parkinson
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
> Behaviour? What behaviour would that be? I hope you don't associate
>the minority of fundamentalists, and that bunch of lunatics that went
>berserk in Trafalgar square the other week with those who simply raise
>people's awareness about environmental issues. That would be terribly
short
>sighted and prejudiced.
>
representative of the average Greenpeace member. However, Greenpeace's
failure to condemn the actions of that minority does give rise to certain
questions !!
DWA652
>questionable (blocking outflow pipes springs immediately to mind). I've
>no problem with them chaining themselves to oil rigs, sailing into
>nuclear test areas and other action that doesn't involve the general
>public though.
>
company a ton of money which could be used for better causes. And it is
illegal.
God Bless,
Don Allen
http://www.DonAllen.net
http://members.xoom.com/donallenfoto
Photos + a large set of photo links including my PHOTO BOOK LIST - NOW WITH
BOOK REVIEWS!!!!
DWA652
>where others sit back in apathy. You actually owe them a debt of thanks for
>many things you will probably never realise. Oh well. They don't do it
>for gratitude. They do it because no one else will.
>
Unfortunately, their science is lousy (e.g. Brent spar).
Only me...
Greenpeace always are very careful to make sure they're distanced from
such activity. Their public image is bad enough, because of people like
you, do you really think we would actively refuse to condemn the actions of
people that do nothing but harm our cause? Wouldn't that be just a little
inexpedient?
David.
Only me...
"DWA652" <dwa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Chaining themselves to oil rigs does hurt the general public, and it costs
the
> company a ton of money which could be used for better causes. And it is
> illegal.
> God Bless,
>
> Don Allen
Money? Well, they should have thought about that. Large
multi-national petro-chemical concerns don't even stop to think about how
they can avoid the environmental impact of their facilities (with the
possible exception of Shell), then start crying when people protest. It's
not their ocean, what makes them think they have some sort of right to
pollute it, just because they built an oil rig? Cuts no ice with me.
Only me...
"Malibu Dude" <m...@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
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> Yes. I wish they'd ALL sail into a nuclear test area. We could simply
ignore
> their protest and vaporize every last one of them...making the world a
much
> better place.
I can't believe the attitude of carelessness I'm seeing here. How many
of you are landscape photographers? Seems to me that you're at odds with
your own philosophy. You're a mockery. Only Adams had the spirit of his
convictions. You all DRIVE to Yosemite, clog up the roads, pollute the air,
and litter the place. You tear up paths and tracks with mountain bikes, and
make the whole place a mess, then start taking photos of it, and saying how
beautiful it is. <laugh>
Hypocrites.
Only me...
> If you're too stupid to see what you did then I suggest you shut the
> fuck up until you learn to use your brain
I see. Your called "Veggie Dave" and your fist response is to resort to
bad language. Maybe my stereotype wasn't all that far off huh?
I was actually CREATING a stereotype, to ridicule people's
pre-conceptions. However, it seems you actually ARE the stereotype I
initially thought didn't actually exist. Why else would you get so upset?
It's people like you who give environmentalists a bad name. Weed smokin,
long-haired lay-abouts, making people think that the REAL environmentalists
who actually do stuff are all like you - sitting around getting stoned and
playing D&D.
>
> And if you want a flame war then I really am the person to continue
> spouting your bullshit at
<laugh> No you're not. You don't have the intellect. You just
swear - anyone can do that. Besides, I don't want one, it's you that's all
hot under the collar, not me. I don't care about people like you.
David.
Only me...
> Ok, It's fair to say that Greenpeace have never used violence to further
> their agenda, however their failure to condemn the violent action taken by
> those who "latch on" to their protests, could be construed as tacit
approval
So you keep saying Tony, but you're actually not correct in that
assumption, and have no idea where you get it from. perhaps you can
enlighten us?
David.
Only me...
> >I think you'll find Greenpeace committed to non-violent, but active
protest,
> >where others sit back in apathy. You actually owe them a debt of thanks
for
> >many things you will probably never realise. Oh well. They don't do it
> >for gratitude. They do it because no one else will.
> >
> Unfortunately, their science is lousy (e.g. Brent spar).
Hmmm..... Moving right along.
However, I fail to see what's so bad about trying to stop things like
nuclear waste dumping, mass pollution of seas and river, and wholly
unacceptable deforestation. Do you really think that these things are OK,
and just because there's no immediate alternative, then we should go right
ahead anyway? Have you thought that there's no clear alternative, because
there's simply no need for one, as it's easier to carry on as we are?
Seriously, do you LIKE nuclear waste in the oceans, and pollution in our
rivers? Do you like the thought of an oxygen deprived atmosphere? Or is
it that you just prefer not to believe that these things are real, and that
they'll just go away - it's not really anything to do with you after all?
Apathy, is ironically, the most destructive force there is it would
seem.
You're all supposed to be artists, and I know that a high percentage of
you, statistically are landscape photographers. Well, you can't have your
cake, and eat it too.
Only me...
"DJA" <dja...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I carry the Bogen 3221. Nice and sturdy. The 3047 head should be
> sufficient counterweight to get some great leverage. Plus, the black
> no-glare finish is great for concealability. Maybe the SEALs should
> consider using tripods....
I think that's the same one as the Manfrotto 190. Not sure though, it
gets confusing, all this differing names for the same product.
David.
Only me...
> Is that why Greenpeace is such a big opponent of nuclear energy
> production? A nuclear reactor produces far less pollution per unit
> energy obtained than any other "active" power-production means.
You mean fossil fuels, sure. But at what cost? Short term gain is all
very well, when you're entire town has a long half-life. Even reprocessing
plants have a whole history of accompanying health problems with the local
populace. I take it you're opinion is one from a safe distance from your
nearest nuclear power plant, so you can afford it.
> Solar, windmill, and geothermal are "passive", but the sum of their
> energy production is by far too insufficient for even a reduced
> demand. Hydro-electric is great, but causes great harm to the local
> environment.
They all cause damage. I'm not suggesting we all build windmills.
However, I think a power source that doesn't have such a cataclysmic
outcome when you **** up is a good idea, even if that turns out to actually
be fossil fuels after all.
> If Greenpiss understood the problems, they would be all for nuclear
> technology advancement, and doing research for a controlled fusion
> reaction (where the only byproducts are water, hydrogen, and heat),
Fusion? They aren't against fusion. What makes you think that? It's
fission reactors that are the problem . However, fusion reactors as a
realistic possibility don't actually exist. However, if they did, I'm quite
sure even Greenpeace would see the potential for reaching a compromise
there. I know I can.
> and eventual phasing out of the current fission reaction (byproducts
> are depleted uranium and other nasty stuff...). Instead, they protest
> this and try to convince us we should all do away with gas,
> electricity, and modern stuff, and we should all ride horses to work.
What crap. Greenpeace do not suggest any such thing :-) You're just
being silly now, and just creating a stereotype. As if Greenpeace seriously
suggest that we turn back the clock 500 years! They're merely against
profit driven, short term solutions that pay no heed to long term problems
for future generations. Isn't that what everyone wants?
I think you're just uncomfortable with this stereotype you've created,
and want nothing to do with it. However, it exists only in your head.
> Turn off your computer. You're burning up too much coal making the
> damn thing run.
Greenpeace, or Friends Of The Earth aren't asking anyone to do any such
thing. Mere;ly be careful, save power, don't be wasteful, and to recycle as
much as you possibly can. What on Earth is wrong with that?
Do you REALLY think that FOTE and greenpeace want to flick the switch
and have us sitting around candles? I can't believe you would be so naive.
David.
Mike
>
> "DWA652" <dwa...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000529124348...@ng-ck1.aol.com...
> > >I think you'll find Greenpeace committed to non-violent, but active
> protest,
> > >where others sit back in apathy. You actually owe them a debt of
thanks
> for
> > >many things you will probably never realise. Oh well. They don't do
it
> > >for gratitude. They do it because no one else will.
> > Unfortunately, their science is lousy (e.g. Brent spar).
. Well, you can't have your cake, and eat it too.
I can on my birthday...
David C. Ramey
seen them come into a community and make the community spend millions of
dollars and when it is over, Greenpeace leaves.....i.e., Save the whales in
Alaska. what do you think happened to those whales after they came back
under the ice? The Natives harvested them!!! And that is what they were
going to do in the first place before Greenpeace stepped in and stopped it.
Spent millions of dollars breaking up the polar ice to tow the whales to
safety, and when the whales were released, the swam right back to where
they were found. Greenpeace is a joke and only make Lawyers more wealthy.
That is my first hand observation of Greenpeace.
--
David C. Ramey
David C. Ramey Photography
ph...@alaskalife.net
http://www.alaskalife.net/dramey/home.htm
"Only me..." <davebg@[nospam]globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Veggie Dave
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
>Weed smokin,
>long-haired lay-abouts, making people think that the REAL environmentalists
>who actually do stuff are all like you - sitting around getting stoned and
>playing D&D.
Well, what a surprise. Mr IQ again resorts to nothing more than stupid
mindless stereotypes. You really are a brainless prick aren't you.
>> And if you want a flame war then I really am the person to continue
>> spouting your bullshit at
>
> <laugh> No you're not. You don't have the intellect.
Of course not - I'm just a stupid stereotype. Do the world a favour a
die, twat
Veggie Dave
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
> Greenpeace always are very careful to make sure they're distanced from
>such activity. Their public image is bad enough, because of people like
>you, do you really think we would actively refuse to condemn the actions of
>people that do nothing but harm our cause? Wouldn't that be just a little
>inexpedient?
But you're happy to use stereotypes to hide behind
Hmm, nice
Fuck off
Mike
Point well made David. I wonder how much harm was done to the whales by
towing them......
"David C. Ramey" <ph...@alaskalife.net> wrote in message
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> > It's people like you who give environmentalists a bad name. Weed
smokin,
> > long-haired lay-abouts, making people think that the REAL
> environmentalists
> > who actually do stuff are all like you - sitting around getting stoned
and
> > playing D&D.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And if you want a flame war then I really am the person to continue
> > > spouting your bullshit at
> >
DJA
movie, as the Greenpeace ship was out protesting the oil rig, burning
all kinds of gas in doing so. That was great. So was the golf
practice. Fore!!
In fact, I think I'll go rent it again, tonight. But don't worry, I
won't drive to the movie rental place, I'll just saddle up the ole
horse and go get my movie.
Only me... <davebg@[nospam]globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Michael A. Covington
do
> so.
Well said! And, more importantly, I do not support doing direct harm to
people or their property.
The trouble with "direct action" groups is that, "non-violent" as they claim
to be, their "direct action" apparently consists of imposing their opinions
on other people by force, rather than by persuasion.
DWA652
>multi-national petro-chemical concerns don't even stop to think about how
>they can avoid the environmental impact of their facilities (with the
>possible exception of Shell), then start crying when people protest. It's
>not their ocean, what makes them think they have some sort of right to
>pollute it, just because they built an oil rig? Cuts no ice with me.
>
environmentally serious employees of oil companies, many of them executives.
One of the quickest ways to get fired from an oil company is to harm the
environment.
The reality is that hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil seep from the
earth's crust into the ocean every day, and it dwarfs the amount of oil spilled
by oil companies. Granted there are some pertro-chemical companies that are
irresponsible, but they are generally smaller companies.
DWA652
>
>
>
> However, I fail to see what's so bad about trying to stop things like
>nuclear waste dumping, mass pollution of seas and river, and wholly
>unacceptable deforestation. Do you really think that these things are OK,
>and just because there's no immediate alternative, then we should go right
>ahead anyway? Have you thought that there's no clear alternative, because
>there's simply no need for one, as it's easier to carry on as we are?
>Seriously, do you LIKE nuclear waste in the oceans, and pollution in our
>rivers? Do you like the thought of an oxygen deprived atmosphere? Or is
>it that you just prefer not to believe that these things are real, and that
>they'll just go away - it's not really anything to do with you after all?
I support environmental causes, I just do not condone breaking the law to do
so.
>
God Bless,
Tony Parkinson
>
> Greenpeace always are very careful to make sure they're distanced from
> such activity. Their public image is bad enough, because of people like
> you, do you really think we would actively refuse to condemn the actions
of
> people that do nothing but harm our cause? Wouldn't that be just a little
> inexpedient?
>
"guerilla Gardening" protest in London yet !!
I guess we won't agree on this so let's agree to differ and go back to
talking about photography !
Mike
spilled into the oceans during WWII ?
"DWA652" <dwa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Money? Well, they should have thought about that. Large
> >multi-national petro-chemical concerns don't even stop to think about how
> >they can avoid the environmental impact of their facilities (with the
> >possible exception of Shell), then start crying when people protest.
It's
> >not their ocean, what makes them think they have some sort of right to
> >pollute it, just because they built an oil rig? Cuts no ice with me.
> >
> This is ignorance. It is completely untrue. There are plenty of
> environmentally serious employees of oil companies, many of them
executives.
> One of the quickest ways to get fired from an oil company is to harm the
> environment.
> The reality is that hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil seep from the
> earth's crust into the ocean every day, and it dwarfs the amount of oil
spilled
> by oil companies. Granted there are some pertro-chemical companies that
are
> irresponsible, but they are generally smaller companies.
David C. Ramey
snow left in Alaska.....hmmm Global warming, or just plain old summer? lol
--
David C. Ramey
David C. Ramey Photography
ph...@alaskalife.net
http://www.alaskalife.net/dramey/home.htm
"Tony Parkinson" <NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Mike
"David C. Ramey" <ph...@alaskalife.net> wrote in message
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Only me...
> Of course not - I'm just a stupid stereotype. Do the world a favour a
> die, twat
Well, you clearly didn't understand what I was saying, and seem to do
nothing but use foul language. I'll draw my own conclusions from that I
think.
Only me...
from
> >such activity. Their public image is bad enough, because of people like
> >you, do you really think we would actively refuse to condemn the actions
of
> >people that do nothing but harm our cause? Wouldn't that be just a
little
> >inexpedient?
>
I see no possible connection between what I wrote above, and what you
just said then. In fact, nothing you've said seems to make any sense
really. Why am I hiding behind a stereotype, and what have I written that
makes you think such a thing?
> Fuck off
Ahh, yes. That's more your speed isn't it? Never mind making any
sense, just "fuck off". Go and comb the lice from your dirty, dreadlocked
hair, you smelly hippy.
Only me...
"Tony Parkinson" <NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> I've not seen them issue any condemnation of those that hijacked their
> "guerilla Gardening" protest in London yet !!
Why should they? If it's nothing to do with them, why should they go
public with anything? I've never gone on public record as saying that I
condemn rapists, but it doesn't mean that I am one :-)
> I guess we won't agree on this so let's agree to differ and go back to
> talking about photography !
Fine by me.
David.
Only me...
> The reality is that hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil seep from the
> earth's crust into the ocean every day, and it dwarfs the amount of oil
spilled
> by oil companies.
So? That doesn't wash up on shore, all within a 5 mile area does it?
Only me...
> You ever see Armaggedon? Bruce Willis said it correctly in that
> movie, as the Greenpeace ship was out protesting the oil rig, burning
> all kinds of gas in doing so. That was great. So was the golf
> practice. Fore!!
>
> In fact, I think I'll go rent it again, tonight. But don't worry, I
> won't drive to the movie rental place, I'll just saddle up the ole
> horse and go get my movie.
(sigh)... all or nothing huh? Either you have to be a fuel burning,
I don't give a shit, wasteful, caution to the wind, ignoramus, or you're a
totally backward, anti-establishment hippie type. Where's the middle
ground?
Who not accept your place in modern western society, and just accept the
fact that our way of life is damaging, and therefore just restrain from
excess. As for your drive, or ride thing... ever heard of walking? One
thing that fascinates me every time I'm in the US, is that no one will walk
anywhere. You get weird looks when you even suggest it.
David.
Only me...
> I support environmental causes, I just do not condone breaking the law to
do
> so.
I don't believe any one on here as actually condoned law breaking.
Only me...
"Michael A. Covington" <See http://www.CovingtonInnovations.com for address>
wrote in message news:8gus3o$6v1$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> The trouble with "direct action" groups is that, "non-violent" as they
claim
> to be, their "direct action" apparently consists of imposing their
opinions
> on other people by force, rather than by persuasion.
When something is immoral, or unjust, yes. If I took a shit on your
lawn, you'd probably want to exercise some "direct action" yourself I
presume.
The only other alternative, is passive action, i.e, stop using oil in
protest, and hurt them that way, but that means not using your cars. As we
all know, getting an American to stop using his car, even only as a short
term measure as a form of protest, is marginally less difficult that
alchemy.
So. Your solution is?
Veggie Dave
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
> Ahh, yes. That's more your speed isn't it? Never mind making any
>sense, just "fuck off". Go and comb the lice from your dirty, dreadlocked
>hair, you smelly hippy.
I rest my case
And yet you still don't understand why so many people think the way they
do about Greenpeace
Get a brain or fuck off you moronic fuckwit
Only me...
> In article <3CTY4.11957$F31.1...@news3.cableinet.net>, Only me...
> Get a brain or fuck off you moronic fuckwit
Said Mr.Pot to Mr.Kettle.
Kill file for you. I don't have to put up with this sort of council
estate bullshit.
David.
Tony Parkinson
>
> > If you're too stupid to see what you did then I suggest you shut the
> > fuck up until you learn to use your brain
>
bearing in mind the part gelatine plays in it !!
Only me...
What an excellent point! I wonder if Veggie Dave knows that his roll of
Velvia is made from rendered down cows feet... LOL... the irony is
delicious! Too funny.
David.
Richard Knight
> (sigh)... all or nothing huh? Either you have to be a fuel
burning,
> I don't give a shit, wasteful, caution to the wind, ignoramus, or you're a
> totally backward, anti-establishment hippie type. Where's the middle
> ground?
Would a fuel burning, I don't give a shit, wasteful, caution to the wind,
totally backward, ignorant, anti-establishment hippie type be classified as
middle ground :~)?
Seriously, I agree with many of the issues that organizations like
Greenpeace believe in but, I strongly dissagree with many of the zealous,
sometimes terroristic tactics they employ to get attention for their
organizations and their causes. If conservation organizations like these
hope to educate the "uninformed" public, they need to do it in an
intelligent and unthreatening manner, instead of reverting to tactics that
label them as obsessed fanatics.
Richard
--
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It has taken me a lifetime to recognize when I should NOT feel obligated to
make a photograph (Ansel Adams).
Mike
"Only me..." <davebg@[nospam]globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Veggie Dave" <Veggie~Da...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
Veggie Dave
<NOSPAMar...@btinternet.com> writes
>Personally, I always wonder how vegetarians justify their photography
>bearing in mind the part gelatine plays in it !!
And sometimes I wonder why people like you give a shit as to someone
else's morality
Veggie Dave
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
> Kill file for you. I don't have to put up with this sort of council
>estate bullshit.
Oh dear, what a shame, never mind
Goodbye bigot
Veggie Dave
<davebg@[nospam]> writes
> What an excellent point! I wonder if Veggie Dave knows that his roll of
>Velvia is made from rendered down cows feet...
Of course I don't as I'm apparently just a stupid council
estate uneducated scumbag with lice and dreadlocks. I'm sure those here
who do actually live on council estates or who have dreadlocks do have a
problem with your attitude though - prick
>is made from rendered down cows feet... LOL... the irony is
>delicious! Too funny.
What a pathetic little life you have - bigot. I'm surprised you even
know what irony means especially as it has two more syllables than you
usually use.
Now fuck off
DJA
were to spend their resources developing and lobbying for alternate
means of power production, they would probably be taken less
adversarially. Instead, they burn oil and fuels to protest the
creation of a product that allows them to protest.
Greenpeace's founding principles are noble. As with any truly liberal
organization, though, their methods of attaining those principles are
questionable.
Like I said before, if Greenpeace were truly interested in saving the
environment, they would be petitioning for the creation of fission
reactors, which produce less pollution per unit energy than any other
active manmade power source. Note that my term "pollution" also
includes radioactive wastes. If Greenpeace were interested in saving
the environment, they'd sell their fleet of "Save the Whale" vessels
and donate the money to fusion-reaction research.
Instead, they get on feel-good bandwagons, tell us to save the whales
and stop oil drilling, and offer no solution to the problem of
consumer energy needs. In typical liberal form, they ride a wave of
emotionalism to arrive at a conclusion, put on the tunnel-vision
sunglasses that are so dense that a statement of fact shining right in
front of them cannot even be seen.
By the way, I just turned off my house lights. I bought some new
whale-oil candles I wanted to try out.
DJA
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> "DJA" <dja...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > You ever see Armaggedon? Bruce Willis said it correctly in that
> > movie, as the Greenpeace ship was out protesting the oil rig,
burning
> > all kinds of gas in doing so. That was great. So was the golf
> > practice. Fore!!
> >
> > In fact, I think I'll go rent it again, tonight. But don't
worry, I
> > won't drive to the movie rental place, I'll just saddle up the ole
> > horse and go get my movie.
>
>
>
> (sigh)... all or nothing huh? Either you have to be a fuel
burning,
> I don't give a shit, wasteful, caution to the wind, ignoramus, or
you're a
> totally backward, anti-establishment hippie type. Where's the
middle
> ground?
>