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tom

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Dec 20, 2001, 12:13:46 PM12/20/01
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Hello. I've inherited an old color camera from my family and would like
to get it to work, although I'm not sure what kind of film it requires.
It is a Praktica PentaFlex, probably between circa '50's-'60's. I tried
putting regular 35 mm film in it; it almost accepts it. The film
canister will fit in the camera, but it all seems back to front. So I
think it's something like 35mm, maybe just a bit bigger (?) Can
anybodyhelp me identify the film required, and more ideally, if it's
possible to modify the camera to accept 35mm, or modify the film?
Thanks

r.emmanuelli

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Dec 20, 2001, 11:08:22 AM12/20/01
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I think the camera takes a special film canister that the 35mm film is
loaded into. I'm not sure, I will try to see if I can find out more. I do
have one of these canisters, and I think if you go to a photo specialty shop
they should have a few of these around.
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Tony Spadaro

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Dec 20, 2001, 12:30:10 PM12/20/01
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I'm not sure about that model but there used to be a somewhat larger
cassette for 35mm film that some cameras needed - it was about 1/8th of an
inch larger than the now standard size and was no longer in use by the time
I got into photography in 1966.

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Ejkowalski

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Dec 20, 2001, 12:37:02 PM12/20/01
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I have a PentaFlex. It's roomy in there, but no problem. I have used mine a
number of times with standard 35 casettes. Once the rewind shaft is engaged and
the back closed, it works just fine. trust me.

EJKowalski

PhotoMan

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Dec 20, 2001, 2:15:49 PM12/20/01
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It's probably not worth bothering with if it won't make B&W photographs!
;-)

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Steve Barker

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Dec 20, 2001, 2:45:59 PM12/20/01
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MAN! I hear that. B&W seperates the photographers from the picture takers.

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Tony Spadaro

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Dec 20, 2001, 5:10:06 PM12/20/01
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That's pretty much nonesense. Photographic skills are not limited to any
one persons particular hobby horsey. Ansel Adams didn't say colour wasn't
art - he said he could never get colour to work FOR HIM. He spent a lot of
time lavishing praise on Marie Cosindas, who worked exclusively in colour.
You may not be able to understand how to make a colour photograph but
don't paint the rest of us with that same grey brush. Study some colour
theory, do a little water painting, shoot a few rolls of ektachrome, and
find out what you are missing.

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Steve Barker

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Dec 20, 2001, 7:08:03 PM12/20/01
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All's I meant is that any ol' Joe can take decent color snapshots. But it
take experience and practice to make a good black and white shot of
anything. The same held true in movie making. Color movies are a piece of
cake to make compared to b&w where they really had to worry about light and
such. I'll stand with what I said.

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Tony Spadaro

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Dec 20, 2001, 7:55:07 PM12/20/01
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And that is just as wrong - Ol' joe made black and white snaps for about 75
years before colour snaps got popular. Photography is a skill - no matter
how many or few colours it uses. Try lighting a colour movie someday,
you'll find out why the budget has to be 10 times that of a black and white
movie - matching light sources alone is literally a full time job, sometimes
for several people, and that says nothing of colour coordinating the various
shots, the sets, and the special effects. A colour portrait shooter has to
do all this alone while a B/W portraitist can get along on mixing window
light with flash with incandescent and flourescent.
One only has to see the normal level of colour photographs being picked
up at a local lab to know most people are probably colour blind or colour
ignorant, or at very least colour un-concerned.
Perhaps what you really mean is: those who can't understand colour are
probably best off shooting only black and white because there is less to
screw up.
That's one I'll stick with.

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Steve Barker

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Dec 20, 2001, 9:04:26 PM12/20/01
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NO! that's not what I meant at all. What I meant was that any ol' Joe can

take decent color snapshots. But it
take experience and practice to make a good black and white shot of
anything. The same held true in movie making. Color movies are a piece
of cake to make compared to b&w where they really had to worry about light
and such. I'll stand with what I said.

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Bruce Murphy

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Dec 20, 2001, 9:12:13 PM12/20/01
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"Steve Barker" <nu...@bisness.com> writes:

> NO! that's not what I meant at all. What I meant was that any ol' Joe can
> take decent color snapshots. But it
> take experience and practice to make a good black and white shot of
> anything. The same held true in movie making.

Decent colour snapshots. I doubt it. WIth the same equipment, I find
beginning photograph-takers are able to produce significantly better
work in B/W than in colour. Of course, the shots are less colourful.

> Color movies are a piece
> of cake to make compared to b&w where they really had to worry about light
> and such. I'll stand with what I said.

You have to be joking. It's *easy* to make people look non-stupid in
black and white but extraordinarily difficult in colour. You've never
actually /done/ any colour video work have you. It's a horrible
can of worms.

B>

Tony Spadaro

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Dec 20, 2001, 11:07:29 PM12/20/01
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At the risk of sounding testy - that's all so much crap and even you know
it. But go ahead and be ignorant if you wish. Bye Bye

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Francis Roy

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Dec 21, 2001, 12:45:33 AM12/21/01
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In the meantime while the discussion of the merits of B&W over Color drags on
and on the original posters' question goes unanswered.

In the early days of 35 mm photography in this country a camera was used
primarily for color slides. The term color camera was coined and in some places
has persisted to this day. I don't think there was any need to poke fun at a
newbie that might want to learn photography. Only one of the answers Tom the
first one tried to help.

The Praktica PentaFlex takes a standard 35mm cassette. The longer ones that
Tom mentioned I think were the Re-loadable type Leica, Contax, Canon & Nikon
all used them but they cannot be used in today's cameras because the mechanism
is not there to open and close the light trap.

If you are having problems inserting the cassette try turning the rewind knob
as you are inserting the cassette. Be sure you know which direction the take
up spool turns. If you are still having problems write me off list

Francis in VT

Skip

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Dec 21, 2001, 1:17:11 AM12/21/01
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Frankly, I find it far harder to get a good color image than one in b&w. Most
black and white film is far more forgiving of skin tones than color, for
instance.
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Roe Thomas

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Dec 21, 2001, 2:45:33 AM12/21/01
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Hello Tom; This thread has gotten of topic. Back to you request, I
believe the 35mm cameras were mostly standardized by 1950. You may have a
much older camera. Another thought there were/are some 35mm cameras that
after you close it up all the film is spooled out of the canister and back
in as you expose each frame. You and all "including the B&W and color"
folks have a fun holiday season. Roe
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