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Mikey

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:27:44 PM6/4/03
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Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
Canon 17-40mm f/4.
I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
often... Help!!
Also during my research, I was looking at the Canon 16-35 f/2.8.
The MTF chart show's the finer lpm lines, but the 17-40 doesn't...
anyone know why this is missing?

Manh Le

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:34:34 PM6/4/03
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You may want to check out www.luminous-landscape.com. This site has some
good reviews about some of these lens.

BTW I know what the title means!

Good luck.

Manh

Victor Bazarov

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:40:03 PM6/4/03
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"Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote...

> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now,

Finally, somebody who's listen's to's what's one's wife's say's...

> then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!

If _you_ don't know, how should _we_?

Well, if it were up to me, I'd take 100-400 because I already
have 20 and 50, and that covers pretty much all I need at the
short end...


Bhup

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:39:45 PM6/4/03
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can you not hide the lens and dont tell her .. ... she may have camera
blindness.. as long as the camera/lens looks black .. must be the same one
....works a treat

B


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Mike Marty

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:40:29 PM6/4/03
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If you like landscapes and architecture, get the wide angle. If you like
sports and wildlife, get the 100-400mm.

John Miller

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:52:59 PM6/4/03
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Mikey wrote:

> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!

Nor does anyone else, unless they know what you shoot and how you see.

It seems to be customary (not that I'm recommending it, by any means) to get
a tele as the second lens. But for some of us, the wide end is much more
of a necessity.

--
John "as a matter of fact, I do realize that didn't answer the question"
Miller

Drinking coffee for instant relaxation? That's like drinking alcohol for
instant motor skills.
-- Marc Price

Mark Roberts

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Jun 4, 2003, 2:53:11 PM6/4/03
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acccl...@hotmail.com (Mikey) wrote:

>Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
>one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
>Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
>often... Help!!

Sounds like more of an argument for interchangeable wives than
interchangeable lenses ;-)

--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Matt Clara

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Jun 4, 2003, 3:27:56 PM6/4/03
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"Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!


For me it's a no-brainer. Take the wide-angle. But then, I rarely find
myself thinking, "if only I had a longer lens."


T P

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Jun 4, 2003, 3:32:14 PM6/4/03
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acccl...@hotmail.com (Mikey) wrote:


Point out to your wife that you can buy fixed focal length lenses for
such low prices that you can get three for the price of one zoom.
Then go buy a 24mm, 35mm and 85mm and you will have a great outfit
that's capable of doing almost everything you will ever need.

Just a thought ...

;-)

Poch

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Jun 4, 2003, 3:57:26 PM6/4/03
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> can you not hide the lens and dont tell her .. ... she may have camera
> blindness.. as long as the camera/lens looks black .. must be the same
one
> ....works a treat
>

The problem here is that the 100-400 is #white' - damm, where's the paint?!


Gregory L. Hansen

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Jun 4, 2003, 3:57:49 PM6/4/03
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In article <1c63d452.03060...@posting.google.com>,

Mikey <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
>one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
>Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
>often... Help!!

Maybe we can vote? I would use the long one more often.

--
"Is that plutonium on your gums?"
"Shut up and kiss me!"
-- Marge and Homer Simpson

Nicholas O. Lindan

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Jun 4, 2003, 4:05:40 PM6/4/03
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now

When you can only have one, make it a Noctilux.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio noli...@ix.netcom.com
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.

Maarten De Munck

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Jun 4, 2003, 4:19:31 PM6/4/03
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Gregory L. Hansen schreef:

> In article <1c63d452.03060...@posting.google.com>,
> Mikey <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> >one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> >Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> > I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> >often... Help!!
>
> Maybe we can vote? I would use the long one more often.

I use dad's 28mm more than my own 70-210mm.

So we have:
17-40mm: 1
100-400mm: 1

;-)

--
Groetjes,

Maarten

William D. Tallman

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Jun 4, 2003, 4:21:36 PM6/4/03
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Mikey wrote:

I suspect you'll rather quickly become enamoured of the 100-400; I did, I
can tell you! I've got the 20mm, and figure I can crop if necessary.

At 17mm, the 30mm lines from the MTF (resolving power) are at 0.77 at center
for wide open, and 0.88 when stopped to f8. The sagittal line hangs in
there pretty well, dropping less that 0.1 until well near the edge.
Meridional lines drop rather quickly in both cases, losing more that 0.1 in
the first few mm from center.

At 40mm, it fares much better. Wide open, resolving power is the same at
center and both plane lines track very closely, losing 0.1 in slightly over
10mm from center. At f8, resolving power improves dramatically, being
something like 0.98 at center. Again, the plane lines track fairly well,
staying together out to about 6mm. losing 0.1 by 7mm, and separating by
0.05 at 8-9mm; this time the sagittal line falls off faster.

Info comes from the EF Lens Work 3, p215.

Not sure how much I trust these charts. According to the MTF charts, the
24-70mm L lens should beat the 50mm f1.4 (at 50mm). Yet, if the images on
a web site (don't recall the URL) I visited are to be believed, the 50mm
produced visibly sharper detail than the zoom.

Bill Tallman


Alan Browne

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Jun 4, 2003, 4:31:03 PM6/4/03
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My lens says I can have as many wives as I want.

Fountainhead

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Jun 4, 2003, 4:45:28 PM6/4/03
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In article <F9qDa.251$W_1...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
bh...@nospam.com says...

> can you not hide the lens and dont tell her .. ... she may have camera
> blindness.. as long as the camera/lens looks black .. must be the same one
> ....works a treat
>

Ha Ha! I've used the same tactic for numerous PC component upgrades over
the years. Bigger hard drives, faster video cards, kick-ass sound
cards...whatever. If it's something the wife won't notice...it's
completely off-budget! Using this approach, you can buy as many lenses
as you like, as long as they don't vary in length by more than a couple
of inches and have Canon stamped on them.

Peter Chant

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Jun 4, 2003, 5:02:28 PM6/4/03
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In article <rerDa.46598$fT5....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>,

Mark Roberts <ma...@robertstech.com> writes:
>
> Sounds like more of an argument for interchangeable wives than
> interchangeable lenses ;-)
>

Oh no, I can just see it now:

100 reasons why lenses are better then women*


*or men depending on your own geneder & preferences

--
pe...@petezilla.co.uk
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

Many

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Jun 4, 2003, 5:36:16 PM6/4/03
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Put your trousers on, show her who's wearing them and get as many lenses as
you need plus 1 for spite !
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Victor Bazarov

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Jun 4, 2003, 5:37:15 PM6/4/03
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"Fountainhead" <HRo...@schannen.com> wrote...

You have to at least let her know that you have _two_ lenses,
otherwise she can catch you when you're changing them...


Bandicoot

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Jun 4, 2003, 6:01:25 PM6/4/03
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"Many" <ma...@atthegate.com> wrote in message
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> Put your trousers on, show her who's wearing them and get as many lenses
as
> you need plus 1 for spite !

Then remember to enroll yourself on a cookery course....

;-)

Peter


Martin Riddle

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Jun 4, 2003, 7:19:03 PM6/4/03
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Reminds me of my old boss, he bought a $3k projector(TV) and kept it in his office for four months
before he brought it home and told his wife. LOL

Martin


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Pat Chaney

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Jun 4, 2003, 7:55:38 PM6/4/03
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On 4/6/03 6:27 pm, "Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.

Spend the money on an assertiveness course, and then tell her that you'll
buy as many damned lenses as you want.

(let me know if this works, I haven't tried it myself)


Pat
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Photos at:
http://www.shuttercity.com/ShowGallery.cfm?Format=Cell&AcctID=1251

PSsquare

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Jun 4, 2003, 7:59:26 PM6/4/03
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The real question is "One lens or she does what?" Bankruptcy, nagging,
divorce, or separate bedrooms? Depends as much on the consequences as much
as on the lenses.

PSsquare


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Sam Anderson

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Jun 4, 2003, 8:46:32 PM6/4/03
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That way you might be able to keep one or two during the divorce.

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William Graham

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Yes....And who knows? The marriage counciling group probably needs a good
photographer.........


Art Salmons

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I like this plan but would go with 24mm f2.8, 50mm f1.8 and 100mm f2.
I say that even though I love my 85mm f1.8.

Art

Slingblade

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:23:05 PM6/4/03
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On 4 Jun 2003 10:27:44 -0700, acccl...@hotmail.com (Mikey) wrote:

>Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
>one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
>Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
>often... Help!!
> Also during my research, I was looking at the Canon 16-35 f/2.8.
>The MTF chart show's the finer lpm lines, but the 17-40 doesn't...
>anyone know why this is missing?

First of all, I have to say something....how many pairs of shoes does
your wife have? And how many of those are "black flats"? How many of
the same type of shoe does a person need? Or what about clothes? I'm
sure if your wife is like most, she has clothes in her closet that she
bought but has never worn (and probably never will) Are you getting
my drift?

Anyway, to sorta answer your question...only you can say which of
those lenses you'd use the most. I, myself, tend to favor the wide
angle end of photography, so it'd be a no-brainer for me...but some
people are more telephotographic and would benefit more from a long
zoom. But if I were given a choice between a 17-40 f/4 lens and a
16-35 f/2.8, the choice would be easy...I'd get the 16-36 f/2.8.
You're only looking at 5mm difference on the narrow end and you get an
extra mm of wide end coverage...not to mention you get a full f-stop
more light transmission potential. If you own a 50mm lens (or a zoom
that covers that range), I doubt you'd be able to tell that much
difference between it and 40mm, but I think you'd notice a good bit of
difference as you go wider. With the 16-35, you could, if you wish
later on, get a 35-105mm to cover the "in between focal lengths"
between your wide angle zoom and telephoto zoom.


Rudy Garcia

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:22:17 PM6/4/03
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In article <1c63d452.03060...@posting.google.com>,
acccl...@hotmail.com (Mikey) wrote:

> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!
> Also during my research, I was looking at the Canon 16-35 f/2.8.
> The MTF chart show's the finer lpm lines, but the 17-40 doesn't...
> anyone know why this is missing?

God!

You are pussy whipped. You need to take control of the situation,
before you ruin it for the rest of us.

I suggest you start by teaching wifey about the rules from the male side
(included below).

:-)
_______________________________________

Subject: Rules from the Male Side

We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the rules
from the male side. These are our rules! Please note... these are all
numbered "1" ON PURPOSE!

1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it
down. We need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining
about you leaving it down.

1. Birthdays, Valentines, and Anniversaries are not quests to see if we
can find the perfect present yet again!

1. Sometimes we are not thinking about you. Live with it.

1. Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the
tides. Let it be.

1. Don't cut your hair. EVER! Long hair is always more attractive than
short hair. One of the big reasons guys fear getting married is that
married women always cut their hair, and by then you're stuck with her.

1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it
that way.

1. Crying is blackmail.

1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do
not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say
it!

1. We don't remember dates. Mark birthdays and anniversaries on the
calendar. Remind us frequently beforehand.

1. Most guys own three pairs of shoes - tops. What makes you think we'd
be any good at choosing which pair, out of thirty, would look good with
your dress?

1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question.

1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's
what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.

1. A headache that last for 17 months is a problem. See a doctor.

1. Check your oil! Please.

1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In
fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.

1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret girls, don't expect us
to act like soap opera guys.

1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us. We refuse to
answer.

1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways
makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.

1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it
done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it
yourself.

1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during
commercials.

1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions, and neither do we.

1. The relationship is never going to be like it was the first four
months we were going out. Get over it. And quit whining to your
girlfriends.

1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach,
for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have
no idea what mauve is.

1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.

1. We are not mind readers and we never will be. Our lack of
mind-reading ability is not proof of how little we care about you.

1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we will act like
nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the
hassle.

1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer
you don't want to hear.

1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine.
Really.

1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to
discuss such topics as navel lint, the shotgun formation, or monster
trucks.

1. You have enough clothes.

1. You have too many shoes.

1. It is neither in your best interest or ours to take the quiz
together. No, it doesn't matter which quiz.

1. BEER is as exciting for us as handbags are for you.

1. Thank you for reading this; Yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch
tonight, but did you know we really don't mind that, it's like camping.

1. I am in shape. ROUND is a shape.

--
Rudy Garcia

Mikey

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"Many" <ma...@atthegate.com> wrote in message news:<9AtDa.16758$pK2....@news.indigo.ie>...
> Put your trousers on, show her who's wearing them and get as many lenses as
> you need plus 1 for spite !
> "Matt Clara" <no.e...@this.guys.expense> wrote in message
> news:0LrDa.1207756$CK1.1...@news.easynews.com...


YYeeaaa.... go tell her what you just said... ... I bet your
not married either, are you? (!)

-I'll tell you what! I don't know of too many women that'll take
that as humorous. :)

Mikey

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Jun 4, 2003, 11:53:01 PM6/4/03
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> I use dad's 28mm more than my own 70-210mm.
>
> So we have:
> 17-40mm: 1
> 100-400mm: 1
>
> ;-)

-hmmm... Well, I'd like to up the antie, and say that 'dad' doesnt
have a 17mm OR does he have a 400mm... (that I'm thinking of a 1.4x or
2x to go right along side).... Lot's of focal [more] focal in both
direction... See? it can be a hard question.... I'm composing
shot's in my head all the time where I see a wide shot... then again,
I see the person afar doing someting I could zoom up on, and find a
"hmmmm" scene.
-hmmm... both lenses... one choice....

Mark M

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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <1c63d452.03060...@posting.google.com>,
> Mikey <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> >one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> >Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> > I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> >often... Help!!
>
> Maybe we can vote? I would use the long one more often.

Ah... Spoken like a photographer that was born with a short one.
:)
Remember... It's not the size of the lens, but how well you shoot with it.
(Sorry...couldn't resist)


Mark M

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Jun 5, 2003, 1:27:03 AM6/5/03
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!
> Also during my research, I was looking at the Canon 16-35 f/2.8.
> The MTF chart show's the finer lpm lines, but the 17-40 doesn't...
> anyone know why this is missing?

OK.
I've got your answer...based solely on psychology rather than photography:

Take the 100-400 NOW.
Why? :)
Because it's about twice the cost of the 17-40 L, which in turn means that
it will be TWICE as soon that you can talk your wife into the 17-40 (due to
price). Just think of the future conversation! You can say, "But
honey-bunch...the 17-40 is only HALF the price of the one even YOU said I
could buy! What a bargain!"

Otherwise, you'd have to say, "Well, ya...this second lens I want DOES
happen to cost TWICE the price of the first one you so graciously let me
buy..." And to that, you KNOW what she'll say.


Bhup

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Jun 5, 2003, 4:16:07 AM6/5/03
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well I have two SLR bodies and she things I have just have one SLR body ..
she is not sure of how many lens i have and has No idea how much lens cost .
Funny thing is she has ocaisnally used her as selftimer come tripod and u
press this .. and has NOt noticed its a diffrent camera. I had to sell her
brothers camearas it was a god send. You can sell the camears but buy your
own ones too and if she thinks its a new camera I just say its one i'm
trying to sell for your brother. Or thats not my lens its your brothers.
Only deep arguments is my studio lights its the bulk .but I have not sold
them out of spite in fact mite get another light. she says the lights cost
too much .. little does she know how much my fisheye lens cost. Only been
caught once mailorder for a new nikon 24mm afd. she saw the cost and
tutted.. I think she thinks i have one body F90x and 4 lens in fact I have
2 slr ( F90x and a F3) bodies and 8 lenses. If she wants to pick a argument
she refers back to how much it cost - £1500 for F90x 35-1-5mm AFD and a
SB26.. well I tend to ignore it .. If you do get caught witha lens .. say
its not yours if she finds out it is yours then say it was really cheap and
you can sell it for more at anytime.. refrain from saying exactly how much.
If you have to say ..tell her it was £100 about the same as a pair of shoes.
she bought at xmas always make a reference to something she has bought.

If you do sell a lens make sure she knows you sold something ..she will be
pleased. BUT do NOT tell her your taking delivery of a new lens the
following week or day !!! make sure you pick the lens up your self and have
it delivered to your address ..better to have it delivered to your work
address. any packaging put them in the attic helps the resale boxed etc

Back to which lens chose the short focal lens if you have to, simply if you
want to increase your stock most lens are fairly small .. all lens
regardless of focal length look the same when they are small

B


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> can you not hide the lens and dont tell her .. ... she may have camera
> blindness.. as long as the camera/lens looks black .. must be the same
one
> ....works a treat
>
> B
>
>

> "Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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mike k

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You are a genius!!!!!!

Pieter Litchfield

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Rudy:

I love this list! Not a new one, but very funny & appropriate.
My wife loves this list too
I have 8 lenses, an F4, and 2 Ftn bodies
Go figure!

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Gregory L. Hansen

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In article <csADa.145575$eJ2.4612@fed1read07>,

So does anyone have experience using generic Viagra on their lenses?

Dallas D

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:56:16 PM6/4/03
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For that kind of money I would go for either a Canon 35-350mm L lens (which
despite the huge range is really a good lens). Alternatively I would look at
a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS. And that is precisely what I am doing.

"Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.
> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!

Stephen M. Dunn

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In article <1c63d452.03060...@posting.google.com> acccl...@hotmail.com (Mikey) writes:
$Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
$one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
$Canon 17-40mm f/4.
$ I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
$often... Help!!

Do you currently have another lens and you want to add one of
these? Or do you currently have another camera and you're getting
a brand new camera along with one of these lenses? If either of
those is true, then you probably already have a lens that's somewhere
in the middle - maybe a 28-105 or 35-80 or something. So you should
have an idea how often you think "Gee, I wish this lens zoomed to
longer focal lengths" or "Gee, I wish this lens went wider" and
that should tell you whether a telephoto zoom or a wide-angle zoom
is going to be more useful to you.

$ Also during my research, I was looking at the Canon 16-35 f/2.8.
$The MTF chart show's the finer lpm lines, but the 17-40 doesn't...
$anyone know why this is missing?

The 17-40 MTF charts on Canon's U.S. and Japanese sites are very
different (or at least they were when the lens was first released; I
haven't looked back at them lately). The U.S. one shows a relatively
poor performer - much worse than the 16-35, and with particularly bad
performance in the corners. The Japanese one shows a lens that's
of similar optical quality to the 16-35, which is what Canon claims
in the press release announcing the 17-40. Supposedly, the Japanese
one is right.

There's a lens test (at luminous-landscape.com, I think)
comparing the 16-35 and the 17-40. You shouldn't base your decision
on just one lens test, or on MTF graphs, but it may be useful to
consider these as part of your decision.
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Jun 5, 2003, 10:46:41 AM6/5/03
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In article <bbnhrd$tlp$2...@hood.uits.indiana.edu> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) writes:
$So does anyone have experience using generic Viagra on their lenses?

Yeah, but I get the same problem that the Viagra Web site warns
about:
http://www.viagra.com/consumer/general/commonQuestions.asp#answersViagra14

"VIAGRA may also briefly cause bluish or blurred vision or increased
sensitivity to light."

The blurred vision isn't a big deal - I have an image stabilized
lens which takes care of it. The increased sensitivity to light is
just a higher ISO speed, which helps with a longer lens. But I'm
having trouble finding the right warming filter to counteract the blue
tint; it looks like I'm using tungsten-balanced film!

Michael Moore

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Jun 5, 2003, 10:42:46 AM6/5/03
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Mikey wrote:
> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.

> I've pondered and don't really know which one I would use more
> often... Help!!

> Also during my research, I was looking at the Canon 16-35 f/2.8.
> The MTF chart show's the finer lpm lines, but the 17-40 doesn't...
> anyone know why this is missing?

Would she mind if you purchased some additional but really cheap used
lenses? If not, you can try to find yourself some real dogs for next to
nothing. Then you can have them all discreetly replaced with new ones.
She probably wouldn't notice the difference. (Not something I would
do, though.)

--
M2

Jim MacKenzie

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"Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.

Tell her only one pair of shoes now... and maybe another later. ;)

Jim


Peter Chant

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Jun 5, 2003, 2:52:26 AM6/5/03
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In article <BB04458A.2C5E6%p...@nomail.com>,

Pat Chaney <p...@nomail.com> writes:
> Spend the money on an assertiveness course, and then tell her that you'll
> buy as many damned lenses as you want.
>
> (let me know if this works, I haven't tried it myself)
Scared?


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Mike

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"Peter Chant" <pe...@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <BB04458A.2C5E6%p...@nomail.com>,
> Pat Chaney <p...@nomail.com> writes:
> > Spend the money on an assertiveness course, and then tell her that
you'll
> > buy as many damned lenses as you want.
> >
> > (let me know if this works, I haven't tried it myself)
> Scared?
>
>
Makes me happy I'm single


Pat Chaney

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On 5/6/03 7:52 am, "Peter Chant" <pe...@petezilla.co.uk> wrote:

>> Spend the money on an assertiveness course, and then tell her that you'll
>> buy as many damned lenses as you want.
>>
>> (let me know if this works, I haven't tried it myself)

> Scared?

I like to think of it as a survival instinct.

Doug Robbins

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Jun 5, 2003, 6:41:40 PM6/5/03
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Seven NIkons, 23 lenses, no wife.

Doug


Sam Anderson

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Jun 5, 2003, 6:46:31 PM6/5/03
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Not doing as well as you but......WITH A WIFE I have

F3HP, EL2, D1X, CP4500, CP950

17-35 AFS, 28-70 AFS, 80-200 AFS, 300 f4 AFS, 60 macro AF, 105 macro AF, 85
f1.4D, TC-14E, and a few of MF lenses.

Other stuff including Rollei 3.5F Planar

Not bad for a married guy!
Sam

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Peter Chant

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Jun 5, 2003, 2:57:45 PM6/5/03
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In article <1%CDa.120$6R6...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,

"Bhup" <nos...@nospam.com> writes:
>
> If you do sell a lens make sure she knows you sold something ..she will be
> pleased. BUT do NOT tell her your taking delivery of a new lens the
> following week or day !!! make sure you pick the lens up your self and have
> it delivered to your address ..better to have it delivered to your work
> address. any packaging put them in the attic helps the resale boxed etc

Just as well I am single - I simply am not this devious.

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Peter Chant

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Jun 5, 2003, 2:59:40 PM6/5/03
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In article <3edf791f$1...@news3.accesscomm.ca>,

"Jim MacKenzie" <j...@dusykbarlow.sk.ca> writes:
>
> Tell her only one pair of shoes now... and maybe another later. ;)
>

How about only one shoe now, the other later...

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Skip Middleton

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Jun 5, 2003, 8:36:28 PM6/5/03
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The best solution I've found is to get my wife interested in photography,
and then, when there's a lens I can't live without, I buy it so "both of us
can use it." Works like a charm, got the 100mm f2, 17-35 and 15mm fisheye
that way!

--
Skip Middleton
www.shadowcatcherimagery.com


"Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later... My choices are between the Canon 100-400mm IS, and the
> Canon 17-40mm f/4.

Rudy Garcia

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Jun 5, 2003, 10:00:54 PM6/5/03
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<TOP POST>

I thought it was funny too when I first came upon it. My wife however,
doesn't like it as much as I do.

In any case, I have 2 FE bodies, 1 F3HP, 28mm, 50mm, 105mm, 200mm, 300mm
(all Nikkor AI or AI-S), Vivitar Series 1 80-200mm and a Tokina ATX
28-80mm, and of course an assortment of filters, bellows, macro focusing
rails (actually, I have one of them listed in the marketplace groups),
flashes, and then, studio strobes, backgrounds, assorted tripod,....

It all pales in =to insignificance compared to my wife's dresses,
shoes,...

</TOP POST>


In article <jbGDa.8894$zm1....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
"Pieter Litchfield" <pli...@NOSPAMattglobal.net> wrote:

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Andrew Eremin

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Jun 6, 2003, 4:54:37 AM6/6/03
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Rudy Garcia wrote:
>
> I thought it was funny too when I first came upon it. My wife however,
> doesn't like it as much as I do.
>
> In any case, I have 2 FE bodies, 1 F3HP, 28mm, 50mm, 105mm, 200mm, 300mm
> (all Nikkor AI or AI-S), Vivitar Series 1 80-200mm and a Tokina ATX
> 28-80mm, and of course an assortment of filters, bellows, macro focusing
> rails (actually, I have one of them listed in the marketplace groups),
> flashes, and then, studio strobes, backgrounds, assorted tripod,....
>
> It all pales in =to insignificance compared to my wife's dresses,
> shoes,...

Personally I reckon you want a relationship in which there's
understanding of the other's position and a willingness to compromise,
but hey what do I know.

But if you're all going to descend into who spends more territory...
c'mon. I don't know Nikon prices so I've no idea what that lot comes to,
but the original post was considering a Canon 100-400 IS. Sure the total
cost of every single item of clothing their partner own is probably
bigger, but you can play that game with anything - the total cost of all
the books, or CDs, or ..., I own is probably bigger. The difference is
that this is a single purchase. This is a $1400 lens new, probably no
less than $1000 used. Do you all seriously have partners who wear only
Gucci? ;-)

--
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ajacobs2

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"Mikey" <acccl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other
> one later...

Trade wife, shes bound to be worth the price of another lens.
Men understand priorities.


Poch

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Jun 6, 2003, 5:49:07 PM6/6/03
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Two Canons six lens, but only a girlfriend.

A wife now sounds quite counter-photographic!

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Bandicoot

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"Doug Robbins" <rob...@infionline.net> wrote in message
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> Seven NIkons, 23 lenses, no wife.
>
> Doug
>
>

Seven (main) Pentaxes, 49 lenses, no wife - any more.

(No, not a causal effect - she used to encourage me!)

Peter


Bandicoot

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"Rudy Garcia" <ru...@jps.net.invalid> wrote in message
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[SNIP]

>
> I suggest you start by teaching wifey about the rules from the male side
>
[SNIP]

Funny these are about a guy who is the exact opposite of me on everything -
except the long hair one. :-)

Peter


Bandicoot

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"Slingblade" <bladeREMO...@earthREMOVElink.net> wrote in message
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>
[SNIP]
>
> First of all, I have to say something....how many pairs of shoes does
> your wife have? And how many of those are "black flats"? How many of
> the same type of shoe does a person need? Or what about clothes? I'm
> sure if your wife is like most, she has clothes in her closet that she
> bought but has never worn (and probably never will) Are you getting
> my drift?

I have a friend who, in her previous flat, had a walk in shoe closet. After
I discovered that I started referring to her as "Imelda" - actually, I think
she quite likes the name.


Peter


Peter Chant

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Jun 6, 2003, 2:14:24 PM6/6/03
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In article <bLPDa.2097$uI.412...@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com>,

"Sam Anderson" <sam.an...@snet.net> writes:
>
> Not doing as well as you but......WITH A WIFE I have
>
> F3HP, EL2, D1X, CP4500, CP950
>
> 17-35 AFS, 28-70 AFS, 80-200 AFS, 300 f4 AFS, 60 macro AF, 105 macro AF, 85
> f1.4D, TC-14E, and a few of MF lenses.
>
> Other stuff including Rollei 3.5F Planar

What about your street address and holiday dates...


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Sam Anderson

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"Peter Chant" <pe...@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
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Unfortunately I am homeless and don't celebrate holidays. Sorry Pete...


KBK

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Jun 6, 2003, 8:46:59 PM6/6/03
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I took the wife on a photo shoot at the San Diego Wild Animal Park
yesterday. She carried the tripod all day! She got to see the results of
the shoot today. The photo's were stunning. I get what ever I want! Well
almost!

Keith

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Archived from "Sam Anderson" <sam.an...@snet.net> on Thu, 05 Jun 2003
22:46:31 GMT:

>
>Not doing as well as you but......WITH A WIFE I have
>
>F3HP, EL2, D1X, CP4500, CP950
>
>17-35 AFS, 28-70 AFS, 80-200 AFS, 300 f4 AFS, 60 macro AF, 105 macro AF, 85
>f1.4D, TC-14E, and a few of MF lenses.

I buy whatever I wish... and do. Wife buys whatever she wishes... and
does. Works great, both happy severally and jointly. Cheers.


Gregory L. Hansen

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Jun 6, 2003, 9:07:30 PM6/6/03
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In article <105494094...@despina.uk.clara.net>,

You still put the toilet seat down?

Actually, since I'd been a janitor for a few years, I've gained what seems
to be an unusual perspective on the toilet seat thing-- when the seat is
down, it's going to get wet. I don't know what possesses any guy to spray
all over the seat instead of lifting it, and I don't know if they do it at
home or just in public restrooms, but six years in the business says
that's what they do. Heck, I was even carrying a can of Lysol to school
at one point, just in case, because it was always so hard to find a clean
seat. I always used to leave the seats up when I cleaned toilets, hoping
they'd stay dry a little longer until they're needed.

Tony Parkinson

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"Bandicoot" <"insert_handle_here"@techemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Slingblade" <bladeREMO...@earthREMOVElink.net> wrote in message
> news:njitdvgm2jvpokhjt...@4ax.com...
> > First of all, I have to say something....how many pairs of shoes does
> > your wife have? And how many of those are "black flats"? How many of
> > the same type of shoe does a person need?
>
> I have a friend who, in her previous flat, had a walk in shoe closet.
After
> I discovered that I started referring to her as "Imelda" - actually, I
think
> she quite likes the name.
>
I didn't realise you knew my ex-girlfriend


Skip Middleton

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And here I thought he'd been hanging out with my wife...

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Dallas D

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Ha! Top this for equipment the wife has seen coming and going over the past
4 years:

Nikon F60 + 28-80mm kit lens
Nikon N8008 + 35-70mm f/3.3-4.5AF
Nikon FE2
Nikon F80 (x2)
Nikon F5
Nikkor 35-105mm
Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8 ED
Nikkor 180mm f/2.8 ED
Nikkor 50mm f/1.8AF
Tamron MC-7 2x extender
Nikon SB-22s
Nikon SB-25
Nikon SU-4
Nikon SC-17
Nikon Coolpix 775
Pentax Ei200
Ricoh KR10se + 50mm f/2
Minolta SRT101 + 3 lenses
Canon S20 digital
Canon EOS 3
Canon EOS D30
Canon EOS D60
Canon BG-ED3 grip
Canon EOS 30 + grip
Canon 550EX
Canon 420EX
Canon ST-E2
Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L USM
Canon 100-400mm IS USM
Canon 28-135mm IS
Canon 20mm f/2.8 USM
Canon 85mm f/1.8 USM
Canon A1
Canon 28mm f/2.8 FD
Canon 50mm f/1.8 FD

Hmm...then there were all the 3rd party lenses (Sigma 105mm macro, Tokina
19-35mm, etc) and the Lowepro bags, and the Manfrotto tripods, monopods,
heads, flashmeters. Oh yes, I nearly forgot the Bronica ETRS kit! That had 3
backs, 4 lenses, prism finder, speed grip, blah, blah, blah....

Geez. Looking at that list makes me wonder how it is that she's stuck with
me through this illness...


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>

RP Jones

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Jun 7, 2003, 3:01:39 AM6/7/03
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What the hell kind of stinky pitiful post of this, you should be ashamed of
your self posting this !
Throw her out, sell her,I wont put up with that BS even if she was Cindy
Crawford lookin wool
Next thing you know she wants the RV, motorcycle, cat, old radios, boat,
baseball hats to go !

PS: Please put on some pants !!
-Rev.Jim


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> Wife say's I can have only 1 lens right now, then 'maybe' the other

Sam Anderson

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Jun 7, 2003, 7:44:16 AM6/7/03
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My list is just what I have at this exact moment in time. If you want to go
about 1 year I have been a busy boy. Of course all the buying and selling
has enbled me to have the equipment I have today (I actually make $$ in my
madness)...

Nikon D1 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon D100 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon N80 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon MB-16 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon F100 (Sold)
Nikon MB-15 (Sold)
Nikon MB-15 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon F5 (Bought)
Nikon D1X (Bought)
Nikon CP880 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon CP885 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon CP990 (Sold)
Nikon CP5000 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon CP5700 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon CP4500 (Bought)
Nikon CP950 (Bought)
Nikon FC-E8 (Sold)
Nikon FC-E8 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon FC-E8 (Bought)
Nikon WC-E68 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon WC-E24 (Bought)
Nikon WC-E63 (Sold)
Nikon TC-E3 (Sold)
Nikon TC-E2 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon TC-E2 (Bought)
Nikon TC-E3 ED (Sold)
Nikon 20 f2.8 AF (Sold)
Nikon 35 f2 (Bought/Sold)
Nikon 50 f1.4 AIS (Sold)
Nikon 50 f2 AI (Bought)
Nikon 50 f1.8 AF (Sold)
Nikon 50 f1.8 AF (Bought/Sold)
Nikon 85 f1.8D (Sold)
Nikon 85 f1.8D (Bought/Sold)
Nikon 85 f1.4D (Bought)
Nikon 180 f2.8 AF (Bought/Sold)
Nikon 300 f4 AF (Sold)
Nikon 300 f4 AF-S (Bought)
Nikon 300 f2.8 AIS N (Bought/Selling)
Nikon TC-14E (Bought)
Nikon TC-20E (Bought/Sold) 6 of these guys
Nikon 18-35 AF (BoughtSold)
Nikon 17-35 AF-S (Bought)
Nikon 28-105 AFD (Sold)
Nikon 28-105 AFD (Bought/Sold)
Nikon 28-70 AF-S (Bought)
Nikon 80-200 f2.8D N (Sold)
Nikon 80-200 f2.8D N (Bought/Sold)
Nikon 80-200 AF-S (Bought)
Nikon 100-300 AIS (Bought)

I am sure there is a lot more activity since I am averaging about 13 eBay
transaction per month but this is what I remember off the top of my head.

Sam


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Bhup

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Best for you to remain single and just play with cameras

:-)


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Grant Dixon

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For every dollar you spend on your hobby maybe she should have the option to
spend a dollar on her hobby. In this way your hobby will cost twice as much
so you will get what you want but have to think very carefully about what
you want.

Grant


Bandicoot

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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <105494094...@despina.uk.clara.net>,
> Bandicoot <"insert_handle_here"@techemail.com> wrote:
> >"Rudy Garcia" <ru...@jps.net.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:rudyg-4CD000....@nnrp02.earthlink.net...
> >[SNIP]
> >>
> >> I suggest you start by teaching wifey about the rules from the male
side
> >>
> >[SNIP]
> >
> >Funny these are about a guy who is the exact opposite of me on
everything -
> >except the long hair one. :-)
>
> You still put the toilet seat down?
>

Yep!

(And I enjoy going shopping for clothes, even shoes. See, I said - in
another thread - I wasn't normal...)


Peter


Bandicoot

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"Skip Middleton" <shadow...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> And here I thought he'd been hanging out with my wife...
>
> --
> Skip Middleton
> www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
> "Tony Parkinson" <nospamne...@photoshot.com
> wrote in message
> news:bbrp9d$nvt$1...@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > I didn't realise you knew my ex-girlfriend
> >

Hmmm, well one of you must be right - unless, gulp, you both are... ;-)

Short girl, dark hair, brown eyes, good singing voice? That the one?


Peter


Skip Middleton

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Jun 7, 2003, 6:14:37 PM6/7/03
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Nope, 5'6", blond, couldn't carry a tune in a bucket...phew! That's a
relief!

--
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www.shadowcatcherimagery.com


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William Graham

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<cl...@xeropix.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm. Carrying tripod. Gotta try that. Another great use for a wife. ;-))

Get a mule....The're cheaper, can carry more, and they don't get
pregnant.......


Mikey

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"RP Jones" <rpj...@GETOUTverizon.net> wrote in message news:<n5gEa.51723$fT5....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...

> What the hell kind of stinky pitiful post of this, you should be ashamed of
> your self posting this !
> Throw her out, sell her,I wont put up with that BS even if she was Cindy
> Crawford lookin wool
> Next thing you know she wants the RV, motorcycle, cat, old radios, boat,
> baseball hats to go !
>
> PS: Please put on some pants !!
> -Rev.Jim


I cracks me up sometimes, the things I read from the news groups...

Rudy Garcia

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Wifes are great housekeepers.

In a divorce settelement they usually keep the house. :-)

--
Rudy Garcia

Rudy Garcia

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Jun 9, 2003, 8:54:17 PM6/9/03
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> "RP Jones" <rpj...@GETOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<n5gEa.51723$fT5....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
> > What the hell kind of stinky pitiful post of this, you should be ashamed of
> > your self posting this !
> > Throw her out, sell her,I wont put up with that BS even if she was Cindy
> > Crawford lookin wool
> > Next thing you know she wants the RV, motorcycle, cat, old radios, boat,
> > baseball hats to go !
> >
> > PS: Please put on some pants !!
> > -Rev.Jim

Subject: NEW SHOPPING CENTER


A Husband Shopping Center has opened in Atlanta, where a woman can go
to choose from among many men to be her husband. It is laid out in five
floors, with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascend.

There is, however, a catch. You're only allowed in once. Once you open
the door to any floor, you must choose a man from that floor. If you go
up a floor, you can't go back down except to exit the building.

So, a woman goes to the shopping center to find a husband. On the first
floor the sign on the door says:


Floor 1: These men have jobs and love kids. The woman reads the
sign. "Well, that's better than not having jobs, or not loving kids,
but I wonder what's further up?"


So up she goes.


The second floor sign says:

Floor 2: These men have high-paying jobs, love kids and are extremely
good-looking. "Hmmm, better," says the woman. "But I wonder what's
further up?"

The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3: These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely
good-looking and help with the housework. "Wow," says the woman, "very
tempting. BUT, there's more further up!"And so again, she goes up.

On the fourth floor the sign reads:

Floor 4: These men have high-paying jobs, love kids, are extremely
good-looking, help with the housework and have a strong romantic
streak. "Oh, mercy me." (That's how women talk in Georgia) "But just
think... what must be awaiting me further up?".


So up to the fifth floor she goes.

The sign on that door says:


Floor 5: This floor is just to prove that women are impossible to
please. Thank you for shopping. Have a nice day!

--
Rudy Garcia

William Graham

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Jun 9, 2003, 9:44:33 PM6/9/03
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Rudy Garcia <ru...@jps.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Well, If my wife told me I could buy just one more lens, it would be the
Nikkor 18-35mm f=2.8 AF-D......(about $1300)....That would teach her to be
more careful....:^)


RP Jones

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Jun 10, 2003, 5:11:57 PM6/10/03
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> > In a divorce settlement they usually keep the house. :-)
Hell no.......No more domestic incarceration here !!!!
I'd pull it out for a farm animal before going through that again.
If it fly's fornicates or floats RENT IT !
......as in girlfriend !

-R


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Pieter Litchfield

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Jun 10, 2003, 10:49:36 PM6/10/03
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girlfriends float?

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Tony Parkinson

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Jun 11, 2003, 1:26:39 AM6/11/03
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"Pieter Litchfield" <pli...@NOSPAMattglobal.net> wrote ...
> "RP Jones" <rpj...@GETOUTverizon.net> wrote ...

> > Hell no.......No more domestic incarceration here !!!!
> > I'd pull it out for a farm animal before going through that again.
> > If it fly's fornicates or floats RENT IT !
> > ......as in girlfriend !
> >
> girlfriends float?
>
Perhaps RP means the inflatable kind ?

8^)


RP Jones

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Jun 11, 2003, 3:58:52 PM6/11/03
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> > girlfriends float?
> Perhaps RP means the inflatable kind ?

Not unless they are Brittany Spears or Hollywood type
Those are referred to as "Silicon Babies"

-RP

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Dallas D

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Jun 11, 2003, 11:09:52 AM6/11/03
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They float from financier to financier...

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Lewis Lang

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Jun 15, 2003, 5:44:33 AM6/15/03
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BIG SNIP

>Floor 5: This floor is just to prove that women are impossible to

>please. <SOUND SFX BEGINS/ZsaZsa Gabor slapping face of woman and any police
officers that are around/> Thank you for shopping K Mart. Have a nice decade!
>
>--
>Rudy Garcia

LOL, great story, Rudy, but what pray tell was in the "bargain basement" - no
deposit no returns? ;-)

Arnold ("I'll be back") the Pig
Lewis

Check out my photos at "LEWISVISION":

http://members.aol.com/Lewisvisn/home.htm

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Bandicoot

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Jun 16, 2003, 10:01:18 PM6/16/03
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"Lewis Lang" <cont...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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[SNIP]

> Arnold ("I'll be back") the Pig
> Lewis
>

WooHoo, a Kipper fan...

Peter


Tony Parkinson

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"Bandicoot" <"insert_handle_here"@techemail.com> wrote ...
> "Skip Middleton" <shadow...@cox.net> wrote ...
> > "Tony Parkinson" <nospamne...@photoshot.com wrote ...

> > > I didn't realise you knew my ex-girlfriend
> > >
> > And here I thought he'd been hanging out with my wife...
> >
> Hmmm, well one of you must be right - unless, gulp, you both are... ;-)
>
> Short girl, dark hair, brown eyes, good singing voice? That the one?
>
Worryingly, that sounds about right


Bandicoot

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"Tony Parkinson" <nospamne...@photoshot.com> wrote in message
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And hairy forearms?


Peter


Michael Scarpitti

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Jul 5, 2003, 10:05:19 PM7/5/03
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Get another wife...

RP Jones

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Jul 6, 2003, 12:08:46 AM7/6/03
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Yea, or sell her and buy your self some pants and gonads
Then tell her you say only one set of shoes, fart in bed, act like a slob to
get rid of her
I can believe this pitiful stinking thread is still going.

-RP


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> Get another wife...


Ming

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Jul 7, 2003, 1:46:08 PM7/7/03
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Go to middle east, and marry 3 more wives. Then you can have 4 lens. :)


On 5 Jul 2003 19:05:19 -0700, Michael Scarpitti <mikesc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Get another wife...
>

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Tony Parkinson

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"Ming" <mi...@haha.com> wrote in message
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> Go to middle east, and marry 3 more wives. Then you can have 4 lens. :)
>
or Utah !


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