Helmut Newton Has Died
davidb
LOS ANGELES - Acclaimed photographer Helmut Newton was killed in a car
crash Friday, police said. He was 83.
Newton, a fashion photographer whose work appeared in magazines such
as Playboy, Elle and Vogue, was best known for his stark,
black-and-white nude photos.
Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau Marmont
hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
Before hitting the wall, the car brushed an Associated Press
photographer who was arriving at the hotel on an unrelated assignment.
Newton was taken to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, where he died a short
time later, Harding said.
Newton, who was Jewish, fled Germany for Singapore in December 1938, a
month after Nazi-led pogroms. He eventually settled in Australia and
became a citizen, then took up
Randall Ainsworth
Nicholas O. Lindan
> And the loss to society is????
One Cadillac
One brick wall
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"Nicholas O. Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Randall Ainsworth" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote
>
> > And the loss to society is????
>
> One Cadillac
> One brick wall
LOL...That's a good one....
ColdCanuck
"Nicholas O. Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Admittedly I have never heard of the man until today but the fact that
someone cared enough to post his obit on several NG's speaks volumes...
CC
Bandicoot
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> And the loss to society is????
Rather more than if the same thing happened to you.
Bob Hickey
mind. Bob Hickey
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David Nebenzahl
> "Randall Ainsworth" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote
>
>> And the loss to society is????
>
> One Cadillac
> One brick wall
Oh! You large-format shooters are *so* cruel! (I love it.)
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Colyn
<Hicks...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>And no one will ever forget the name of Randall Ains....Ainsw.... never
>mind.
>
Try Ainsworthless.....
Colyn Goodson
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Woodard R. Springstube
> And the loss to society is????
Troll!
<plonk>
PSsquare
We should keep silent about those in power; to speak well of them almost
implies flattery; to speak ill of them while they are alive is dangerous,
and when they are dead is cowardly.
ATTRIBUTION: Jean De La Bruyère (1645-1696), French writer, moralist. "Of
Great Nobles," aph. 56, Characters (1688).
So it might be said that to speak ill of the famous artist while living is
jealously, and when they are dead is .......
PSsquare
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William Graham
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Yes.....Anyone who had the foresight to escape Hitler, and then went on to
make his living with a camera, is OK in my book.........
Vince
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>
> And the loss to society is????
>
What is that to mean? You don't like his photography?
Vince
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[snip]
> So it might be said that to speak ill of the famous artist while living is
> jealously, and when they are dead is .......
>
...poor manners/bad taste?
It has been interesting to be watch how "newsgroup discussion" has evolved
since the early 80's (command-line text back then). I don't know if this is
a reflection of society in general (far beyond my scope to comment...) or a
result of "access to the masses"? I know I am getting off-topic, and I
apologize for this, but whatever happened to compassion (<sigh> - I'd
settle for civility)?
I guess an update of the old saying must be at work. You know, the one that
goes: ..."anonymity breeds contempt..."
depressingly,
CC
Mike
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>
> ">
> It has been interesting to be watch how "newsgroup discussion" has evolved
> since the early 80's (command-line text back then). I don't know if this
is
> a reflection of society in general (far beyond my scope to comment...) or
a
> result of "access to the masses"? I know I am getting off-topic, and I
> apologize for this, but whatever happened to compassion (<sigh> - I'd
> settle for civility)?
>
> I guess an update of the old saying must be at work. You know, the one
that
> goes: ..."anonymity breeds contempt..."
>
> depressingly,
> CC
>
Nicholas O. Lindan
> > > And the loss to society is????
> > One Cadillac
> > One brick wall
> someone cared enough to post his obit on several NG's speaks volumes...
Then you may want to check out his work, and then you may understand
why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
Phil Stripling
> Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau Marmont
> hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
> Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
Hmm... that's where John Belushi OD'd.
PDN has an article about him in its current issue.
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T C Bulmer
the man is dead. Have a little respect. Respect for the family he has left
behind that are grieving, respect for a life lost, respect for yourselves,
for the love of......... I cannot believe how quickly this thread veered
away from the original post. I cannot believe some have the balls to post
will ill against a man they never knew just because they don't agree or
enjoy the art he produced. To those of you who respectfully acknowledged
this mans life and death I applaud you, to the rest of you, well it
embarasses me to belong to the same species as you.
My prayers and thoughts to his family and friends.
(I am replying to group, I realize this means I am crossposting to groups I
don't even subscribe to and I apologize to those if I offend, just wanted to
get my point to all the asses out there)
T C Bulmer
remove the SPAM when replying
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dslr
>
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:22:02 GMT, "Bob Hickey"
> <Hicks...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >And no one will ever forget the name of Randall Ains....Ainsw.... never
> >mind.
> >
> Try Ainsworthless.....
LOL
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otzi
all mostly hand held 35mm and although I find some of his "pictorial"
statements a bit hard to fathom and yet others that seem to me to be rather
demeaning to women, there is never the less a considerable volume of jolly
fine works that get and even deserve a second glance (stare/gaze), at least
from me.
His marketing skills were remarkable and I for one would happily take a leaf
out of his book. Please note that even if we, ever the sophisticated photo
entrepreneur may not identify with much of his work, there were many in the
highly competitive and sophisticated world of fashion media that saw profit
and good profit at that in his work
cheers otzi
Tony Parkinson
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> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:22:02 GMT, "Bob Hickey"
> <Hicks...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >And no one will ever forget the name of Randall Ains....Ainsw.... never
> >mind.
> >
> Try Ainsworthless.....
>
or . . . . . . Anus
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William D. Tallman
> And the loss to society is????
Hmm.. well, why don't you tell us why you ask the question, Randall? Can
you do that?
Bill Tallman
William D. Tallman
> Not sure where to post this...
>
> LOS ANGELES - Acclaimed photographer Helmut Newton was killed in a car
> crash Friday, police said. He was 83.
<snip>
So passeth yet another legend of photography. Truth is, I had no idea he
was still alive!
Bill Tallman
Tony Spadaro
Wait , I have the answer. THe loss of Randall Ainusworth is
IMPERCEPTABLE! Like losing a wart, or a melanoma, the loss of Randall
Ainsworth in the digital forum did wonders for the pleasure of the
experience, and now losing him in the 35mm forum will make the pleasure
complete. So long, loser.
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Tony Spadaro
argue with his talent. The fact that "hot, young, avant garde" shooters of
the last 20 years have mostly recycled his ideas is pretty much an
indication of how great he was.
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ColdCanuck
"Nicholas O. Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Then you may want to check out his work, and then you may understand
> why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
>
So I did. But I'm not one to put down someone just because I "don't get"
their vision. Not really my cuppa but is that any reason to be disrespectful
of him (or of his work)?
CC
Mark Hammerschmidt
call yourselves photographers? He was an incredible artist with his camera.
I may have been a little squeamish about some of his photographs but I could
never say that any one of them was not shot and printed incredibly well.
Can't believe anyone would post here and not be embarrassed to admit they
never heard of the man. pathetic.
Gearóid Ó Laoi/Garry Lee
Photographer and other magazines. Not the kind of piccies I like, but he
knew what he was doing. Very talented.
Jeff Novick
"Nicholas O. Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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We don't understand, Nick. Woke up without a hardon again?
William Graham
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> codena...@yahoo.com (davidb) writes:
>
> > Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau Marmont
> > hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
> > Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
>
> Hmm... that's where John Belushi OD'd.
>
accident just saved him from the weeks of suffering that many of us get as
our, "reward" for living a just life......
Mark M
"Mark Hammerschmidt" <MHAMME...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Can't believe anyone would post here and not be embarrassed to admit they
> never heard of the man. pathetic.
Lower your nose a bit, chappie.
I hadn't heard of him...but I can assure you that this particular detail
renders me neither a better nor worse photographer. Your particular and
demonstrated form of snobbery is indeed "pathetic", and quite unbecoming.
Michael Quack
T C Bulmer says...
> Have a little respect. Respect for the family he has left
> behind that are grieving,
Especially his wife June, who was married to him
for 53 exiting years. Easily understandable for
everybody who has seen the book "us and them".
Or has seen them together alive. I was lucky enough
to see him live three times, and he was a very gentle
person not meaning harm to anyone.
You can see in his pictures that he loved those he
portrayed deeply, and I have learned a lot from him
about how to treat people.
> I cannot believe some have the balls to post
> will ill against a man they never knew just because
> they don't agree or enjoy the art he produced.
...and call themselves christians while slandering.
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street shooter
people detest those who are controversial; I am more suspicious of
those who are not. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.
Michael
codena...@yahoo.com (davidb) wrote in message news:<44b2ae33.04012...@posting.google.com>...
> Not sure where to post this...
>
> LOS ANGELES - Acclaimed photographer Helmut Newton was killed in a car
> crash Friday, police said. He was 83.
>
> Newton, a fashion photographer whose work appeared in magazines such
> as Playboy, Elle and Vogue, was best known for his stark,
> black-and-white nude photos.
>
> Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau Marmont
> hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
> Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
>
Nick Zentena
> "ColdCanuck" <c...@cold.ca> wrote:
>
>>It has been interesting to be watch how "newsgroup discussion" has evolved
>>since the early 80's
>
> weren't as many.
>
> There should be an additional hierarchy of newsgroups. Criteria for posting
> would be knowledge of what an acoustical modem is. When high speed access
> became prevalent and more and more people were connecting at 2400, usenet
> took a turn for the worse. :)
In the old days you emailed root at the site the poster was and he got
kicked off. That's assuming he hadn't already. The good old days when a mere
human could read every single usenet message.
Nick
Deathwalker
PSsquare
If you did not know the work of Helmut Newton, it would be a good time to
expand you field of view to see the works of significant photographers for
the influence it brings to your own work. To a lot of photographers, a part
of their stylistic growth comes from looking at other art, including other
visual arts such as watercolor painting etc. I don't do nudes, and do
little portraiture, but I do view such work for what it teaches me. I have
learned a lot about photography by learning to see form and color enough to
make watercolors. You might be able to similarly benefit from a wider field
of influences.
Sincerely,
PSsquare
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dslr
>
> In article <I9oQb.248878$X%5.202145@pd7tw2no>,
> T C Bulmer says...
>
> > Have a little respect. Respect for the family he has left
> > behind that are grieving,
>
> Especially his wife June, who was married to him
> for 53 exiting years.
A bit of an unfortunate typo, Michael.
Pity, because the rest is spot on IMO.
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dslr
David J. Littleboy
"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil Stripling" <phil_st...@cieux.zzn.com> wrote in message
> news:3q65f16...@shell4.tdl.com...
> > codena...@yahoo.com (davidb) writes:
> >
> > > Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau Marmont
> > > hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
> > > Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
> >
> > Hmm... that's where John Belushi OD'd.
> >
> Yeah, but Newton was in his 80's....Due to go at any time anyway.....
Not at all. Life expectancy at a given age is a
different statistic that life expectancy at birth.
Try this site out. (There may be better, it's just the first one I found.)
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/calcs/n_expect/main.asp
I'm 51, but I plugged in 83 and answered everything else honestly and it
claimed I'd last to 102.
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Skip M
to society is....?
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Randall Ainsworth
> jealously, and when they are dead is .......
Helmut Newton produced perverted and disgusting photography throughout
his career.
Randall Ainsworth
> why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
Throughout his career he produced perverted and disgusting images. But
you NEA types probably thought it was beautiful.
Randall Ainsworth
> their vision. Not really my cuppa but is that any reason to be disrespectful
> of him (or of his work)?
Oh, I "got" it.
Randall Ainsworth
Oh come on...go for the obvious...Anus...
Randall Ainsworth
There ya go...
Jytzel
> > "Randall Ainsworth" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote
> >
> > > And the loss to society is????
> >
> > One brick wall
> >
> > Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio noli...@ix.netcom.com
> > Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
>
> someone cared enough to post his obit on several NG's speaks volumes...
>
The fact that all these people here never heard about him, plus the
way this thread had diverted tell me much about the way newsgroups
like these had become.
jjs
<r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
I can hardly imagine a greater recommendation of Newton's work than your
assessment. Why not post some of your work as a visual rebutal?
jjs
<r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
Another sample of The Best of Randall Ainsworth. Pathetic.
Nick Zentena
So you don't like women. Why do we care about your sexual orientation.
Nobody gives a damn that you're gay. Grow up.
Nick
Flloyd
whether you agreed with his vision or not, he was an artist and a good
one who developed his own style and name. At 83 he lived a full life
and will be missed by those who loved him and his ability to create
images that will inspire others to reach for emotion and response.
Helmut, you will live forever through your images and care not for
those with cruel words and little talent.
In article <44b2ae33.04012...@posting.google.com>, davidb
<codena...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not sure where to post this...
>
> LOS ANGELES - Acclaimed photographer Helmut Newton was killed in a car
> crash Friday, police said. He was 83.
>
> Newton, a fashion photographer whose work appeared in magazines such
> as Playboy, Elle and Vogue, was best known for his stark,
> black-and-white nude photos.
>
> Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau Marmont
> hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
> Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
>
Jean-David Beyer
> "ColdCanuck" <co...@canada.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> And the loss to society is????
>>>
>>> One Cadillac One brick wall
>>
>> that someone cared enough to post his obit on several NG's speaks
>> volumes...
>
>
> why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
>
it is not inappropriate to mourn his passing. I go along with Rev. John
Donne's Meditation 17:
Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill as that he knows not
it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I
am, as that they who are about me and see my state may have caused it to
toll for me, and I know not that. The church is catholic, universal, so
are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all. When she baptizes
a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to
that head which is my head too, and ingrafted into the body whereof I am
a member. And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all
mankind is of one author and is one volume; when one man dies, one
chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better
language; and every chapter must be so translated. God employs several
translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some
by war, some by justice; but God's hand is in every translation, and his
hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where
every book shall lie open to one another. As therefore the bell that
rings a sermon calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the
congregation to come, so this bell calls us all; but how much more me,
who am brought so near the door by this sickness. There was a contention
as far as a suit (in which piety and dignity, religion and estimation,
were mingled) which of the religious orders should ring to prayers first
in the morning; and it was determined that they should ring first that
rose earliest. If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that
tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising
early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his whose
indeed it is. The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though
it intermit again, yet from that minute that that occasion wrought upon
him, he is united to God. Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it
rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who
bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can
remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this
world? No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of
the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor
of thy friend's or of thine own were. *Any man's death diminishes me*,
because I am involved in mankind; and *therefore never send to know for
whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.* Neither can we call this a
begging of misery or a borrowing of misery, as though we are not
miserable enough of ourselves but must fetch in more from the next
house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbors. Truly it were an
excusable covetousness if we did; for affliction is a treasure, and
scarce any man hath enough of it. No man hath affliction enough that is
not matured and ripened by it, and made fit for God by that affliction.
If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none
coined into current moneys, his treasure will not defray him as he
travels. Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not
current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our
home, heaven, by it. Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and
this affliction may lie in his bowels as gold in a mine and be of no use
to him; but this bell that tells me of his affliction digs out and
applies that gold to me, if by this consideration of another's dangers I
take mine own into contemplation and so secure myself by making my
recourse to my God, who is our only security.
[emphasis added]
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Randall Ainsworth
> assessment. Why not post some of your work as a visual rebutal?
I no longer do portrait photography. But in all my years of doing it,
I never did S&M, B&D type stuff.
jjs
<r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
Understood, however the work that HN did wasn't the exploitative kind
(IMHO) but made a statement within the context of his life's work. And he
did a lot other work. His best known is a bit dark, but life has such
places and they can be the place we meet and defeat our fears. In my
humble view, a life's work of intentional medicrocity is simply a life of
denial.
Bandicoot
"jjs" <jo...@xyzzy.stafford.net> wrote in message
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Oddly, Randall doesn't sem to have seen any of Helmut's other work - which
actually probably was greater in quantity than the stuff that used sex as a
way of discussing power.
I guess Randall only looked at the S&M images, and skipped over all the
clothed ones...
Peter
Bandicoot
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> Mark,
>
> If you did not know the work of Helmut Newton, it would be a good time to
> expand you field of view to see the works of significant photographers for
> the influence it brings to your own work. To a lot of photographers, a
part
> of their stylistic growth comes from looking at other art, including other
> visual arts such as watercolor painting etc. I don't do nudes, and do
> little portraiture, but I do view such work for what it teaches me. I
have
> learned a lot about photography by learning to see form and color enough
to
> make watercolors. You might be able to similarly benefit from a wider
field
> of influences.
>
Sound advice for any photographer (any visual artist, come to that.) look
at art, go to galleries. And look at the books of photographs in a
bookshop - you don't have to buy them all. I'm not suggesting that people
copy others' work: but learn from it, and be inspired by it. If you dislike
it, analyse why you dislike it, and also think about whether it is the
subject or the technique you dislike - could you make a picture you did like
using the same techniques on a different subject, or approaching the same
subject with different technique?
You are never to old to learn, or too good to get better. These are the
lessons we learn from every other photographer and artist out there.
Peter
Bandicoot
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> the most distinguished man they could quote favourably was hugh heffner?
>
No, he was the man most likely to create the image that sells papers.
Plenty of distinguished photographers and artisits could have supplied
quotes - but Joe Public may not have heard of them and is certainly less
likely to be titillated by their intelligent musings than by anything Heff
has to say. The media is driven by sales, not by a desire to improve the
intellectual environment of its audience.
Peter
Chris Loffredo
I'm sure that you find some images perverted and disgusting, but not an
unnecessary war...
I hope you can live with your conscience!
Pieter Litchfield
user had to write the dialing routines in assembler (in my case Z80), and it
dialed in pulse mode only. However, this arcane knowledge doesn't make me a
better or more interesting usenet user. In fact my habit of top posting
should indicate otherwise, and I don't care. The fact is, if long time
experience was the criteria, then only people who hand cranked cars should
be allowed to drive. I'd still qualify.
<brou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Phil Stripling
> PDN has an article about him in its current issue.
Oops. My memory failed me. The article is in the November 2003 issue of
Photo, the French version -- it was current on the rack at Borders when I
bought it.
My apologies to all who went thumbing through the PDN in vain -- both of
you. :->
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Randall Ainsworth
> actually probably was greater in quantity than the stuff that used sex as a
> way of discussing power.
>
> I guess Randall only looked at the S&M images, and skipped over all the
> clothed ones...
I've just seen what's been in print. Out here in downtown Podunk we
don't have museums and art exhibits (other than the ones featuring
pictures of dogs playing poker and velvet paintings of Elvis).
Deathwalker
great! links please ;)
Vince
Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>Then you may want to check out his work, and then you may understand
>why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
>
OH GEE! two folks here don't mourn his passing my, my!
So he shot nudes big crime? He didn't do child porno did he? IMO he was a fine
artist.
Vince
Take out words goodguy to e-mail
Check out our new E-BAY STORE. under BOOKMAGS
Vince
>
>Throughout his career he produced perverted and disgusting images. But
>you NEA types probably thought it was beautiful.
>
Thats your opinion Randall, the man never hurt anyone. Unlike your hero.
Vince
<x...@xxx.xxx.au> writes:
>
>Could I be permitted to register a positive vote re his work. It was after
>all mostly hand held 35mm and although I find some of his "pictorial"
>statements a bit hard to fathom and yet others that seem to me to be rather
>demeaning to women, there is never the less a considerable volume of jolly
>fine works that get and even deserve a second glance (stare/gaze), at least
>from me.
>
"demeaning to women?" gee I didn't see any of the models with their arm in a
sling
In other words no one broke any of the models arms to make them pose for his
work.
Vince
<trinabu...@shaw.ca> writes:
>
>What the hell is wrong with you people? Whether you liked his work or not,
>the man is dead. Have a little respect. Respect for the family he has left
>behind that are grieving, respect for a life lost, respect for yourselves,
>for the love of......... I cannot believe how quickly this thread veered
>away from the original post. I cannot believe some have the balls to post
>will ill against a man they never knew just because they don't agree or
>enjoy the art he produced. To those of you who respectfully acknowledged
>this mans life and death I applaud you, to the rest of you, well it
>embarasses me to belong to the same species as you.
DITTO!
Vince
<"insert_handle_here"@techemail.com> writes:
>
>No, he was the man most likely to create the image that sells papers.
>Plenty of distinguished photographers and artisits could have supplied
>quotes - but Joe Public may not have heard of them and is certainly less
>likely to be titillated by their intelligent musings than by anything Heff
>has to say. The media is driven by sales, not by a desire to improve the
>intellectual environment of its audience.
OH heavy.
Reminds me of a few days after 9/11/02 the pick three number in New York State
was "911" which most of us in the Tri-State area thought was really something.
Yet someone else on the NG, thought the fact that the S&P average (something
many folks don't know about) was also 911 was more significant.
Matt Clara
news:20040124155245...@mb-m06.news.cs.com...
> In article <401215ab$0$16592$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, "otzi"
> <x...@xxx.xxx.au> writes:
>
> >
> >Could I be permitted to register a positive vote re his work. It was
after
> >all mostly hand held 35mm and although I find some of his "pictorial"
> >statements a bit hard to fathom and yet others that seem to me to be
rather
> >demeaning to women, there is never the less a considerable volume of
jolly
> >fine works that get and even deserve a second glance (stare/gaze), at
least
> >from me.
> >
>
> "demeaning to women?" gee I didn't see any of the models with their arm in
a
> sling
> In other words no one broke any of the models arms to make them pose for
his
> work.
>
> Vince
That many people are complicit in their own subjugation/objectification is a
clear sign that the mindset leading to this view is firmly ensconced in
society.
jjs
<r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
I certainly understand that. I am not criticizing where you live, Randall.
What you wrote is a statement regarding what kind of 'art' material makes
its way to certain rural or remote areas. Often if the published material
is not the homoginized family-rated, then it's material skimmed to bring
the greatest reaction, often out of context.
Skip M
Podunk." I guess I was wrong, but from what sources did you form your
opinion? Surely not from hearsay...
--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
"Randall Ainsworth" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
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Mark M
"PSsquare" <psch...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Mark,
>
> If you did not know the work of Helmut Newton, it would be a good time to
> expand you field of view to see the works of significant photographers for
> the influence it brings to your own work. To a lot of photographers, a
part
> of their stylistic growth comes from looking at other art, including other
> visual arts such as watercolor painting etc. I don't do nudes, and do
> little portraiture, but I do view such work for what it teaches me. I
have
> learned a lot about photography by learning to see form and color enough
to
> make watercolors. You might be able to similarly benefit from a wider
field
> of influences.
>
>
> PSsquare
Of course what you are saying is true for all of us.
My only quibble is... To single out ONE *particular* photographer of note,
and to attach words like "pathetic" to it is sheer snobbery, and is lacking
in insight. I'm sure there are noteworthy artist that he is unaware
of...but that means little, and certainly should not be used to assume that
he (or anyone in particular) is somehow severely lacking in the depth of
their familiarity. We all have influences from which we can draw insight.
But to hold a SINGLE influence as essential to all is utter nonsense.
>
> "Mark M" <mjmo...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:hbrQb.42214$Xq2.831@fed1read07...
> >
> > "Mark Hammerschmidt" <MHAMME...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:SDpQb.63258$LW....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > > Can't believe anyone would post here and not be embarrassed to admit
> they
> > > never heard of the man. pathetic.
> >
> > Lower your nose a bit, chappie.
> > I hadn't heard of him...but I can assure you that this particular detail
> > renders me neither a better nor worse photographer. Your particular and
> > demonstrated form of snobbery is indeed "pathetic", and quite
unbecoming.
> >
> >
>
>
Mark M
"Bandicoot" <"insert_handle_here"@techemail.com> wrote in message
news:10749701...@lotis.uk.clara.net...
Of course. I would only say that this **particular** artist is certainly
not a prerequisite to doing what you describe. Let's face it--Ansel Adams
didn't greatly suffer simply because he lacked the opportinity to learn from
the works of Ansel Adams. This would, of course, have been impossible! :)
I would simply suggest that there are many roads to greatness...not all of
which have to include any *particular* list of artistic influence.
Martin Francis
news:44b2ae33.04012...@posting.google.com...
> Not sure where to post this...
>
> LOS ANGELES - Acclaimed photographer Helmut Newton was killed in a car
> crash Friday, police said. He was 83.
Sorry to hear about it; there are some I know who will mourn his passing
more than others.
Oh, and I hope I never make an image that Randall Ainsworth doesn't like...
I have enough people who *know* me wanting to dance on my grave...
--
Here lies the late Martin Francis
He couldn't tell you the technical merits of Leitz and Zeiss
But he did take some photographs once.
jjs
<shadow...@cox.net> wrote:
> Funny, I thought they had books, magazines and libraries in "downtown
> Podunk." I guess I was wrong, but from what sources did you form your
> opinion? Surely not from hearsay...
You are wrong. Dead wrong. And very provincial, too. The USA is a huge
place with _most_ rural communities without a library, and remember that
libraries are stocked by local administrators who control the content. The
smaller the area they serve, the more sensitive they are to naysayers who
don't understand so the content is hugely mediated. Magazines and books?
You got to be friggin dreaming! You understand commerce, right? We get
CRAP for books and magazines. It's all aimed at the middle.
I stay informed by traveling, and of course I'm fortunate that although we
are rural, we have two university libraries and we are only 110 miles from
major cities.
William Graham
"Vince" <holvb...@cs.comgoodguy> wrote in message > Reminds me of a few
days after 9/11/02 the pick three number in New York State
> was "911" which most of us in the Tri-State area thought was really
something.
> Yet someone else on the NG, thought the fact that the S&P average
(something
> many folks don't know about) was also 911 was more significant.
>
> Vince
Nostradamus, where are you now that we need you.......
William Graham
"David J. Littleboy" <dav...@gol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:xzqQb.109750$sv6.547619@attbi_s52...
> >
> > "Phil Stripling" <phil_st...@cieux.zzn.com> wrote in message
> > news:3q65f16...@shell4.tdl.com...
> > > codena...@yahoo.com (davidb) writes:
> > >
> > > > Newton lost control of his Cadillac while leaving the Chateau
Marmont
> > > > hotel in Hollywood and crashed into a wall across the street, said
> > > > Officer April Harding, a police spokeswoman.
> > >
> > >
> > Yeah, but Newton was in his 80's....Due to go at any time anyway.....
>
> Not at all. Life expectancy at a given age is a
> different statistic that life expectancy at birth.
>
> Try this site out. (There may be better, it's just the first one I found.)
>
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/calcs/n_expect/main.asp
>
> I'm 51, but I plugged in 83 and answered everything else honestly and it
> claimed I'd last to 102.
>
> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan
Now you're going to worry yourself to death as you approach 102...........
David Nebenzahl
> I believe the direct quote that applies is:
>
> We should keep silent about those in power; to speak well of them almost
> implies flattery; to speak ill of them while they are alive is dangerous,
> and when they are dead is cowardly.
> ATTRIBUTION: Jean De La Bruyère (1645-1696), French writer, moralist. "Of
> Great Nobles," aph. 56, Characters (1688).
>
> So it might be said that to speak ill of the famous artist while living is
> jealously, and when they are dead is .......
I disagree entirely and heartily with this premise.
I don't know anything about Helmut Newton, so I can't say anything about his
not-speaking-ill-worthiness, but I can tell you this: if I had the chance, I'd
piss on Richard Nixon's gravesite. And I'd like to defecate on Pinochet's when
that fucking bastard finally gives up the ghost.
--
Focus: A very overrated feature.
- From Marcy Merrill's lexicon at Junk Store Cameras
(http://merrillphoto.com/JunkStoreCameras.htm)
jjs
<removethisbefore...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Oh, and I hope I never make an image that Randall Ainsworth doesn't like...
> I have enough people who *know* me wanting to dance on my grave...
And we just hate standing in line.
:)
jjs
> "David J. Littleboy" <dav...@gol.com> wrote in message
> I'm 51, but I plugged in 83 and answered everything else honestly and it
> claimed I'd last to 102.
Makes no sense, David, and it's a bogus test. Plug in age 94 and answer to
the picture of physical health but 6' 190 pounds and it says "You might
live to 94". Depressing as hell!
I went for my annual exam and the doctor said "You are in great condition
and should live to sixty." I said I was sixty. He said, "See?"
jjs
<nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> [...] but I can tell you this: if I had the chance, I'd
> piss on Richard Nixon's gravesite. [...]
I'll join you, but warning - it's a _real_ long line. We can split a case
of beer to make the whole experience worthwhile.
William Graham
"jjs" <jo...@xyzzy.stafford.net> wrote in message
news:john-24010...@m-0-135.docsis.hbci.com...
This is the great thing about the web......It obsoletes books, magazines,
and libraries.....You can Google up most anything.....The art won't be as
nice to see as the originals of course, but if it's just information you're
after, Podunk is just as good as New York City..........
William Graham
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:40130AA8...@but.us.chickens...
> On 1/23/2004 7:30 PM PSsquare spake thus:
>
> > I believe the direct quote that applies is:
> >
> > We should keep silent about those in power; to speak well of them almost
> > implies flattery; to speak ill of them while they are alive is
dangerous,
> > and when they are dead is cowardly.
> > ATTRIBUTION: Jean De La Bruyère (1645-1696), French writer, moralist.
"Of
> > Great Nobles," aph. 56, Characters (1688).
> >
> > So it might be said that to speak ill of the famous artist while living
is
> > jealously, and when they are dead is .......
>
> I disagree entirely and heartily with this premise.
>
> I don't know anything about Helmut Newton, so I can't say anything about
his
> not-speaking-ill-worthiness, but I can tell you this: if I had the chance,
I'd
> piss on Richard Nixon's gravesite. And I'd like to defecate on Pinochet's
when
> that fucking bastard finally gives up the ghost.
>
Spoken like a man who's never made a mistake........
Bandicoot
And once you get to the head of the line, the beer will make the experience
last longer too.
;-)
Peter
Bandicoot
message news:buv0ga$qcl$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
[SNIP]
> Oh, and I hope I never make an image that Randall Ainsworth
> doesn't like...
Condemmed to a life of middle-of-the-road mediocrity...
;-)
Peter
jjs
<we...@comcast.net> wrote:
> This is the great thing about the web......It obsoletes books, magazines,
> and libraries.....
That's idiotic. You haven't really been to a decent library, have you.
William Graham
I am going to specify that my gravestone be placed horizontally, just to
facilitate dancing purposes......
Richard Knoppow
"Nicholas O. Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message
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> "Randall Ainsworth" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote
>
> > And the loss to society is????
>
> One Cadillac
> One brick wall
>
> --
> Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio noli...@ix.netcom.com
> Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Of course the loss of a life of a famous photographer is of
no loss what ever is it folks. Such facil cynacism is
childish and uncalled for. I don't very often take on about
stuff posted here but this is beyond the pale. Both of you
should be ashamed of yourselves.
--
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dick...@ix.netcom.com
Richard Knoppow
"ColdCanuck" <co...@canada.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nicholas O. Lindan" <noli...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message
>
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> > "Randall Ainsworth" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote
> >
> > > And the loss to society is????
> >
> > One Cadillac
> > One brick wall
> >
> > --
> > Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
noli...@ix.netcom.com
> > Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics;
Photonics.
>
the fact that
> someone cared enough to post his obit on several NG's
speaks volumes...
>
> CC
>
>
I suggest you look him up. There are many books of his
photographs. If you have access to a decent library (they
are getting rarer) check him out. He also has a very
recently published auto biography.
Richard Knoppow
> "ColdCanuck" <co...@canada.com> wrote
> > > > And the loss to society is????
> > > One Cadillac
> > > One brick wall
the fact that
> > someone cared enough to post his obit on several NG's
speaks volumes...
>
understand
> why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
>
> --
> Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio noli...@ix.netcom.com
> Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Well, I completely disagree. You may see it as pornography
but I think that is a very naive view. I certainly encourage
everyone to investigate his work. I think his death is a
tragic loss.
Richard Knoppow
> > Then you may want to check out his work, and then you
may understand
> > why some folks (at least two) do not mourn his passing.
>
images. But
> you NEA types probably thought it was beautiful.
This is such gratuitous nastiness that I must conclude
its a troll. Please go away.
William Graham
Not in years.....Why would I, when I can go to Google and find the answer to
almost anything I need? Tell me what problems you have to go to a library to
solve? Sure, if you need the exact text of some work of fiction, you may not
be able to get it over the web yet, (give them a little more time) But as
far as factual information is concerned, the web works fine, for
me.......Bear in mind that I come from an engineering background, and the
kinds of data that I need are vastly different from that needed by someone
doing "research" of a literary nature. It wasn't until I was grown, that I
found out that the word, "research" was used by other than scientists
working in laboratories......Looking up stuff that other people wrote, and
calling that research, had never occurred to me......
Bob Hickey
this bill in a month"; so then he sez: "OK, you got a year".
Bob Hickey
davidb
> And the loss to society is????
have the rest of you seen this crap?
http://users.techline.com/rag/
to quote randall the great "The ability to see things differently than
others and to capture these images to share with others."
Mark M
Wow!
What a load of pompus crap.
I love the part where he tells us we can read about his other computers in
the music section...(like we really want to hear more!)
jjs
<we...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "jjs" <jo...@xyzzy.stafford.net> wrote in message
> > That's idiotic. You haven't really been to a decent library, have you.
>
> Not in years.....Why would I, when I can go to Google and find the answer to
> almost anything I need?
Two things - first, the 'almost' part and your assertion that the net does
everything for you means that you give up on things that the net doesn't
yield, and second what you learn on the web is neccessarily limited
compared to sources you can find in libraries.
> Tell me what problems you have to go to a library to solve?
Well for one thing, 'the library' pays half my salary. But if I have a
serious personal question, then I hit the libraries. Note plural.
> But as far as factual information is concerned, the web works fine, for
> me.......Bear in mind that I come from an engineering background, and the
> kinds of data that I need are vastly different from that needed by someone
> doing "research" of a literary nature.
I've helped engineers who were happy that I found information not
available on the web in any form. Good examples are published material
beyond dissertations or reserved material that you cannot get on the web.
In some cases what I found helped them avoid re-inventing the research
that answered their questions.
If your concern is photography, and you depend upon the web to view
important works, then you are just plain out of luck.
If all your engineering questions are answered on the web, then your needs
are either simple or you are easily satisfied. 'Engineering' covers a lot
of territory.
Jean-David Beyer
True, but he may have learned a lot by examining the negatives of Paul
Strand, whoever _he_ was...
> I would simply suggest that there are many roads to greatness...not all of
> which have to include any *particular* list of artistic influence.
>
>
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parv
wrote Jytzel ...
> The fact that all these people here never heard about him, plus
> the way this thread had diverted tell me much about the way
> newsgroups like these had become.
Hey, this is equipment group not technique. So, unless he
contributed to progress of or revolution in photography technology,
thread is off topic anyway.
- parv
--
In order to reach me, do away w/ WhereElse in the address.
Raphael Bustin
wrote:
No mistake about it. Pinochet murdered thousands
in cold blood. If there's a hell, he's headed there,
and none too soon.
rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com
Mike
image haters can dance on your grave.
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:39:13 -0600, jo...@xyzzy.stafford.net (jjs)
wrote:
Skip M
Newton's but they're far more perverse and disgusting!
(Not to put myself in the same league as Mr. Newton, mind you!)
--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
"Martin Francis" <removethisbefore...@btinternet.com> wrote in
message news:buv0ga$qcl$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
> >
> > LOS ANGELES - Acclaimed photographer Helmut Newton was killed in a car
> > crash Friday, police said. He was 83.
>
> Sorry to hear about it; there are some I know who will mourn his passing
> more than others.
>
> Oh, and I hope I never make an image that Randall Ainsworth doesn't
like...
> I have enough people who *know* me wanting to dance on my grave...
>
> Here lies the late Martin Francis
> He couldn't tell you the technical merits of Leitz and Zeiss
> But he did take some photographs once.
>
>
Skip M
--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ZoFQb.143141$xy6.634752@attbi_s02...
David Nebenzahl
What kind of idiotic, ignorant, ill-informed, pointless statement is that?
Do I make mistakes? All the fucking time! I readily admit this. But what has
that got to do with the crimes and misdemeanors of the above-mentioned? You're
saying nobody can criticize unless spotless themselves? We're talking about
major transgressions here, pal, not just "whoops!".
Are you suggesting that perhaps Pinochet's murders, "disapperarances", et al,
were somehow just a *mistake*, and that all such "mistakes" are ultimately
forgiven at the Pearly Gates? If then, your cosmology needs a major overhaul,
my friend.
Get some perspective before the next time you barf your whiskered ignorance
all over three newsgroups.