D-MAC: PHOTOSHOP MASTER !
Annika1980
a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/home-bch-pano.jpg
http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/the-gorge.jpg
Getting the two children to smile with the exact same expressions on
their faces must've been tough. But not as tough as that selective
DOF effect at the top. One can hardly even tell where the brush
strokes were made.
"Tickle your ass with a 50px feather, D-Mac?"
I won't comment on the ethics of pasting images onto other images to
represent the actual photograph being auctioned.
Matt Clara
> D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us with
> a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>
You certainly are a tiresome twat.
Annika1980
You mess with the bull, you get the horns!
Draco
> a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>
> Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
>
>
> Getting the two children to smile with the exact same expressions on
> their faces must've been tough. But not as tough as that selective
> DOF effect at the top. One can hardly even tell where the brush
> strokes were made.
>
> "Tickle your ass with a 50px feather, D-Mac?"
>
> I won't comment on the ethics of pasting images onto other images to
> represent the actual photograph being auctioned.
Bret I agree that you can see the "brush strokes" above the girl on
the righ and the top edge of the mat. But I don't think he pasted the
image on the mat board. But hard to tell. I am sure that he used a
blur tool to "remove" the distracting background. Just not very well.
If D-mac did those images and they are as sharp "in person" as they
are on the monitor, all I can say is wow, nice work. But I'll never
see them. I don't buy images.
Draco
Getting even isn't good enough.
Draco
mark.t...@gmail.com
> D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us with
> a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>
> Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
>
>
> Getting the two children to smile with the exact same expressions on
> their faces must've been tough. But not as tough as that selective
> DOF effect at the top. One can hardly even tell where the brush
> strokes were made.
>
> "Tickle your ass with a 50px feather, D-Mac?"
>
> I won't comment on the ethics of pasting images onto other images to
> represent the actual photograph being auctioned.
Gee, you're picking on him more than me, nowadays.. But did you not
also notice a little 'issue' with that first 'poster'?
Look carefully at the left side of the sky, note the clouds and
waves. Can you say 'vertical mirror'? I wonder how obvious the seam
is, up close, given how obvious it is from what is effectively a
thumbnail..
So that's what Doug does if his scene isn't wide enough for a pano -
just makes one up! Is that 'photography'? Me, I prefer real skies,
and if it doesn't quite cut the mustard, I try again.
Colin_D
the tabs to view one after the other, so I could do fast A-B comparisons
between the images.
The kids, black frame, and background are identical in both, 'cept for a
small amount of sharpening in the second. Only the views changed, so he
has simply pasted in the different images he's selling.
I have to say I don't think it amounts to anything worth commenting on,
it's simply an easier way of displaying some number of images than
getting the kids to hold each one - and maybe it avoids having to
actually print each at that size until (and if) he gets an order for one.
Note I am not supporting D-Mac here, only commenting on the facts. He
bad-mouthed me pretty badly some months ago, and when I called him on it
he disappeared completely until just recently. I have no wish to
correspond with him in any way.
Colin D.
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Annika1980
> Annika1980 wrote:
>
> > Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
>
> >http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/home-bch-pano.jpg
> >http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/the-gorge.jpg
>
> small amount of sharpening in the second. Only the views changed, so he
> has simply pasted in the different images he's selling.
>
> I have to say I don't think it amounts to anything worth commenting on,
> it's simply an easier way of displaying some number of images than
> getting the kids to hold each one - and maybe it avoids having to
> actually print each at that size until (and if) he gets an order for one.
If he was simply displaying his pics on a website I might agree with
you. Representing this way in an auction, however, borders on Fraud.
I think that if you are auctioning off a framed or mounted pic and you
show a photo of someone holding that pic, the buyer should have an
expectation that the pic being displayed is the pic he is bidding on.
Otherwise, a disclaimer should be in order. That shouldn't be
terrible difficult for D-Mac, Master of the Diclaimer. "Caveat
Emptor" should apply for anything that fraud is selling.
mark.t...@gmail.com
Takes one...?
Matt, you were never seen on this on this rather unpleasant thread
(well, not as Matt Clara, anyway):
http://groups.google.com.au/group/rec.photo.equipment.35mm/browse_frm/thread/50ddaf6cabc33790
..where you were accused (on rather damning IP evidence) of being
"niceparking".
You vanished for a while around that time before returning, I note...
care to comment now, given this new holier-than-thou image?
*I* humbly apologise if I'm wrong. Wonder where niceparking is now...
(O;
Annika1980
> Look carefully at the left side of the sky, note the clouds and
> waves. Can you say 'vertical mirror'? I wonder how obvious the seam
> is, up close, given how obvious it is from what is effectively a
> thumbnail..
>
> So that's what Doug does if his scene isn't wide enough for a pano -
> just makes one up! Is that 'photography'? Me, I prefer real skies,
> and if it doesn't quite cut the mustard, I try again
Wow, I missed that. More testament to D-Mac's Photoshop Mastery!
In the auction for that pic D-Mac writes, "The scene is Home Beach on
Nth Stradbroke Island, off the coast of Queensland. One of the Moreton
Bay Islands popular with Brisbane dwellers and a small but growing
number of International tourists. This is the scene that greeted me as
I woke one Sunday morning after a violent storm had raged through the
night."
Perhaps the storm had blown a giant mirror out on the beach?
Douglas MacDonald
"Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com> wrote in message
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: D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us with
Jealousy is a nasty emotion. Being jealous of my success will only bring out
the black in your heart and past. Sure, I pasted the images into one
picture. Advertising people do it all the time. That's quite allowable in
advertising. No one is getting cheated. The pictures are the ones I sell.
As for the background? Hardly very nice what my basement looked like during
renovations so I blurred it. Unlike the master of loudmouthed Americans -
Bret Douglas who carries around an encounter with a golf Pro from 1980 as
if it were some kind of badge of honour... I actually make a very nice
living selling my Photographs. No need to for me to seek recognition from
newsgroup junkies. I get it every time someone hands over their cash and
plenty do.
Read what my eBay customers thought about these pictures. They actually
stood in front of them before paying....
"Absolutely Gorgeous. Easy to deal with. Highly recommended A++++++++"
"Absolutely Gorgeous. Worth every cent. Easy to deal with. Recommend
A++++++"
"Beautiful print!!! I love it. Excellent seller. Highly recommended. Thanks"
" A most reliable and trustworthy seller. Highly recommended. A1"
Just for Bret Douglas... The world's greatest GOLF CADDIE. WOW! This really
is a fresh low you've risen to. Take a lesson from one of your own people:
http://blinkynet.net/comp/troll.html
Annika1980
gro...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Jealousy is a nasty emotion. Being jealous of my success will only bring out
> the black in your heart and past. Sure, I pasted the images into one
> picture. Advertising people do it all the time. That's quite allowable in
> advertising. No one is getting cheated. The pictures are the ones I sell.
I could never be jealous of a fraud and a faker.
And you aren't selling only a picture. As it says on your auction:
"On Sale here is an original canvas print displayed on a 3D, plaqued
mount."
So when you post a photo of two girls holding up a mounted photo the
implication is that you are showing the photo being bid on.
If it isn't, you're a fraud and a faker.
Douglas MacDonald
:
: If he was simply displaying his pics on a website I might agree with
: you. Representing this way in an auction, however, borders on Fraud.
:
: I think that if you are auctioning off a framed or mounted pic and you
: show a photo of someone holding that pic, the buyer should have an
: expectation that the pic being displayed is the pic he is bidding on.
: Otherwise, a disclaimer should be in order. That shouldn't be
: terrible difficult for D-Mac, Master of the Diclaimer. "Caveat
: Emptor" should apply for anything that fraud is selling.
:
Go Bret... Don't hold back mate... Tell us what you really think. As if
anyone actually cares what your think. It makes entertaining reading for
your all your friends, I guess. (both of them). One of 'em (Mark Thomas)
blundered big time in aus.photo with probably the best demonstration I've
seen yet of spouting off about what he hasn't got a clue about. Here you go
joining him. Good luck!
Gallery programs, on-line albums and PBASE use templates to display your
images. Some of them (shock Horror) even display them for sale in template
pages. The fraudsters!
The pic of two of my grand daughters is a quick template I used to display a
number of images. Nothing fraudulent. Because of the quality of the actual
ENLARGED DIGITAL PRINTS I sell. My buyers thought the prints were stunning
in the first magnitude. My buyers thought the eBay images didn't do justice
to the fantastic quality of the actual prints... You know, the ones Bret?
Pasted into the template? The ones you and Mark Thomas say I can't enlarge
with my algorithm?
Colin's seen an enlargement from my old printer just before I traded it on
the 60" wide machine, I sent him one. Big jump in quality now but hey, the
old one was pretty good too. Colin knows but he ain't saying anything 'cause
I did to him what you are doing to me. What goes around, comes around, I
guess. Sorry Colin!
Hey Bretie boy... What's happened to the last attack(s) on me when you made
a total idiot out of yourself claiming I couldn't enlarge images like this?
Silent on that one now are we? Well, well, well. You really are coming out
of your shell, aren't you? When are you going silent on this one?
Seriously Bret, it takes a total idiot not to see two pictures, one on top
of the other with everything identical except the pic being sold. But
then... Bret Douglas is just plain stupid all over, isn't he?
Can't see the trees for the forest. FOUR!!!! Duck, Bret. Stick to carrying
ladies golf clubs around mate, you can't cut it as a Photographer so don't
get jealous of me, I never wanted to a Golf Caddie either, you know? Jealous
as all hell that with all your stock of "cropped and resized" pictures, you
can't sell 'em. My, My... Wonder why? Eat your heart out Bret.
Never say I didn't offer you help. Ouch... The bastard bit me. We shoot dogs
that do that in Aussie. America just make 'em get another credit card to buy
more camera gear for taking worthless pictures they can't sell. Excellent
punishment. Go buy a Leica R9 and a kit of lenses. Hey, Bret... Do you
remember last year when I cut up all my credit cards and posted a pic of it?
Hell man, you could have bought Adorama with that lot! Ha, ha, ha. Dirt bag,
sucker!
Get a life Bret... Snowed in while I cruise amongst tropical islands. Don't
worry mate, Tamika (the one on the left) will send you some of her happy
snaps. I'll organize it if you like, she loves photography and sending her
pics to pen friends all over the world. True, she might put you to shame
with some of her FZ50 shots at night or maybe her full frame composures but
hey, she will never rubbish you. She has way to many manners to behave like
you do. A lot of people could learn from her attitude. But then you don't
learn anything, do you?
Douglas
John McWilliams
> On Feb 8, 10:17 am, "Annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
>> D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us with
>> a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>>
>> Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
>>
>> http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/home-bch-pano.jpghttp://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/the-gorge.jpg
>>
>> Getting the two children to smile with the exact same expressions on
>> their faces must've been tough. But not as tough as that selective
>> DOF effect at the top. One can hardly even tell where the brush
>> strokes were made.
>>
>> "Tickle your ass with a 50px feather, D-Mac?"
>>
>> I won't comment on the ethics of pasting images onto other images to
>> represent the actual photograph being auctioned.
>
> Bret I agree that you can see the "brush strokes" above the girl on
> the righ and the top edge of the mat. But I don't think he pasted the
> image on the mat board. But hard to tell. I am sure that he used a
> blur tool to "remove" the distracting background. Just not very well.
Everything is identical save the contents of the matte board.
However, they are gone right now, precisely 4:09:24 PST PM on Thursday,
February 8, 2007.
--
John McWilliams
Douglas MacDonald
: On Feb 8, 5:34 pm, "Douglas MacDonald" <photosbydouglas-
:
Jealous bitch!
Thanks incidentally, for the opportunity to further promote my incredibly
beautiful work.
Bret Hogan's question via eBay Australia.
Why did you mirror the left side of the pic, faker?
09-Feb-07 A: Thank you for your question Bret. I'm surprised you remember
my nickname. It's over 30 years since I painted the piece which gave me the
name. Shipping to Tennessee will cost you $195 US in addition to the
purchase price. I seem to recall you have commented on my work many times
before. Thank you for your flattering remarks.
You are right. Sadly, not everyone who picks up a camera can create
photographs like these, as you know by your own attempts. If you have no
imagination,you are better off buying your art from someone like me. I can
offer you substantial discounts if you wish to line the walls of the cabin
you call home, with glorious, Australian photographic art on canvas.
I mirrored the left side of the picture to turn a relatively mundane
scene into one of breathtaking beauty. This particular canvas print is my
most popular out of the entire Straddle 2007 collection. 2nd most popular is
item # 170071613634 which you passed comment on last year, I believe.
The concept of my canvas prints is to merge art and Photography. They
are almost always my interpretation of the scene, not necessarily a faithful
reproduction of it. In the Home Beach scene, if you block the left side with
a piece of paper, you will see how effective mirroring part of the image to
"grow" it, actually is. Accompanying each print is a full description of how
the scene was composed and the print created.
The canvas itself is Poly/cotton, made in USA. Vacuum bonded to MDF
and stepped 12mm above another MDF backing board coloured with a neutral
"soft Black". The centre is removed for light weight.
When you purchase one of my Giclée canvas prints, you can consider it
an heirloom, able to be handed down from generation to generation. Simply
the finest means available to preserve memories or moments in time, like the
home beach scene. Good luck and Happy bidding!
Douglas
John McWilliams
> John McWilliams wrote:
>
>> However, they are gone right now, precisely 4:09:24 PST PM on
>> Thursday, February 8, 2007.
>
> still up and working as of 7:20 EST. Try getting your facts straight
> before
> making a bigger ass of yourself.
>
> <http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/the-gorge.jpg>
>
> <http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/home-bch-pano.jpg>
>
Those links work at precisely 4:40:01 PM on Thursday, February 8, 2007.
The link I referred to in Draco's post, which I was replying to did not
work then, nor does it now.
--
lsmft
Mark˛
> On Feb 8, 10:17 am, "Annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
>> D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us
>> with a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>>
>> Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
>>
>> http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/home-bch-pano.jpghttp://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/the-gorge.jpg
>>
>> Getting the two children to smile with the exact same expressions on
>> their faces must've been tough. But not as tough as that selective
>> DOF effect at the top. One can hardly even tell where the brush
>> strokes were made.
>>
>> "Tickle your ass with a 50px feather, D-Mac?"
>>
>> I won't comment on the ethics of pasting images onto other images to
>> represent the actual photograph being auctioned.
>
> Bret I agree that you can see the "brush strokes" above the girl on
> the righ and the top edge of the mat.
Of course he did. Just look at the second image.
It is absolutely identical, save for the image pasted onto the "grey thing"
the girls are holding.
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Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at:
www.pbase.com/markuson
Mark˛
> On Feb 9, 1:17 am, "Annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
>> D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us
>> with a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>>
>> Check out these two pics from his current EBAY auctions:
>>
>> http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/home-bch-pano.jpghttp://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/e-bay/the-gorge.jpg
>>
>> Getting the two children to smile with the exact same expressions on
>> their faces must've been tough. But not as tough as that selective
>> DOF effect at the top. One can hardly even tell where the brush
>> strokes were made.
>>
>> "Tickle your ass with a 50px feather, D-Mac?"
>>
>> I won't comment on the ethics of pasting images onto other images to
>> represent the actual photograph being auctioned.
>
> Gee, you're picking on him more than me, nowadays.. But did you not
> also notice a little 'issue' with that first 'poster'?
>
> Look carefully at the left side of the sky, note the clouds and
> waves. Can you say 'vertical mirror'? I
I noticed that, too. Surely anyone buying a huge print of this would have
to, at some point, notice this...
When you're playing around for fun, you can do whatever you like. But when
you sell an image pretending that it represents the real scene (as the
description clearly implies)...that's just really...extraordinarily...lame.
I walked out of a gallery in Big Bear CA a few months ago once I figured out
that a majority of "wildlife" had been superimposed into otherwise beautiful
landscape panos. Dejavu...
Magic Lantern
> I actually make a very nice
> living selling my Photographs. No need to for me to seek recognition from
> newsgroup junkies. I get it every time someone hands over their cash and
> plenty do.
Isn't that what any grifter can say about himself?
> Read what my eBay customers thought about these pictures. They actually
> stood in front of them before paying....
>
> "Absolutely Gorgeous. Easy to deal with. Highly recommended A++++++++"
> "Absolutely Gorgeous. Worth every cent. Easy to deal with. Recommend
> A++++++"
> "Beautiful print!!! I love it. Excellent seller. Highly recommended. Thanks"
> " A most reliable and trustworthy seller. Highly recommended. A1"
LOL. Anyone who ever used Ebay more than twice knows how to recognize fake
comments. Comments like that are usually written by seller himself. Or by some
"aunt Gladys" who strongly believes that an out-of-focus 8x6 picture of her
cat's tail is "gorgeous" just because it is bigger that 4x6. And anything larger
than 8x6 falls into the "Absolutely Gorgeous" category.
Annika1980
gro...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> :
You can always tell when D-Mac knows his ass has been busted.
He goes into his lathered-up attack mode attacking me, Mark T., Colin
and anybody else he can think of that is out to get him (in his
paranoid mind).
Here's a couple of points for ya, D-Mac, just to clear things up.
1. I'm not a caddie. Tiger Woods caddie, a Kiwi, makes more cash in
a week than you ever have in your life. Hell, he probably takes
better pics than you do, as well.
2. Any fool can take a postcard size print and enlarge it to poster
size, but only a fool would claim that he can do it without losing
quality.
3. Nobody is jealous of you, D-Mac. You are just a bitter old man
who has no talent for taking a decent photograph. You try to cover
your inadequacies with Photoshop trickery that a 7th grader would be
embarrassed to show.
4. Nobody believes your bullshit about how your pics are in galleries
all over Australia or how much money you make on land deals. You live
on a fuckin boat and try to sell your pathetic, shitty pics at a booth
on the pier on the weekends. You wedding pics, like all your photos,
are an embarrassment.
5. I know many people of wealth (millionaires). I've never heard any
of them brag about how much money they make as you often do. But then
you live on a fuckin boat.
6. The Panasonic (oops, I meant "Leica) FZ50 isn't in the same league
with the Canon 20D.
7. If you offer an item for auction and post a photo of that item, it
is assumed that the photo is an accurate representation of that item,
not the result of some obvious Photoshop trickery. Doing otherwise is
fraudulent. It would be like me advertising my old Altima for sale
and posting pics of a brand new Maybach.
8. We've tried to educate you about everything from taking photos to
using Photoshop, but you are too stupid to learn. You talk big about
things you don't know jack shit about, like JPG quality vs. RAW.
Remember that one, Ryadia? When called on your BS you always run
away, change your screen name, and then slink back for more
punishment.
9. I get along with almost everyone, but I can't stand a liar, a
thief, or a fraud.
Sucks to be you, D-Mac.
Douglas MacDonald
"Mark˛" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
news:ppQyh.32$KW3...@newsfe17.phx...
:
: I walked out of a gallery in Big Bear CA a few months ago once I figured
: that a majority of "wildlife" had been superimposed into otherwise
beautiful
: landscape panos. Dejavu...
:
: --
: Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark˛ at:
: www.pbase.com/markuson
:
So would you have purchased any of photos or just passed criticism?
My experience is that people like you don't buy pictures, only criticize
those who do.
Douglas
Douglas MacDonald
"Magic Lantern" <m...@hm.com> wrote in message
news:12snnj5...@news.supernews.com...
Yep... FEEDBACK is nearly always forged by Ebay sellers. None of them could
possibly be true... Could they?
Annika1980
gro...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> :
> : LOL. Anyone who ever used Ebay more than twice knows how to recognize fake
> : comments. Comments like that are usually written by seller himself. Or by
> some
> : "aunt Gladys" who strongly believes that an out-of-focus 8x6 picture of
> her
> : cat's tail is "gorgeous" just because it is bigger that 4x6. And anything
> larger
> : than 8x6 falls into the "Absolutely Gorgeous" category.
>
> Yep... FEEDBACK is nearly always forged by Ebay sellers. None of them could
> possibly be true... Could they?
In your case, I kinda doubt it. One must either question the
authenticity of those comments or the eyesight of the person who gave
them.
After all, your pics do suck.
Douglas MacDonald
: On Feb 8, 11:30 pm, "Douglas MacDonald" <photosbydouglas-
: gro...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
: > :
: >
: > Yep... FEEDBACK is nearly always forged by Ebay sellers. None of them
: > possibly be true... Could they?
:
: In your case, I kinda doubt it. One must either question the
: authenticity of those comments or the eyesight of the person who gave
: them.
:
: After all, your pics do suck.
-----------------------
As demonstrated by you many times in the past... You don't have any
credentials to make such comments.
It's a very sad day when a gutter dwelling cretin like you can fan so many
other oddballs into a mob. It must have been how the lynch mobs worked in
the old west. Incidentally... Why are you still wasting our oxygen by
continually breathing when I told you to stop it?
If you actually read the stupidity in your comment, you'd probably put your
head down the dunny and flush it out of embarrassment. You really thought
you'd get some sort of advantage over me with your eBay question, didn't
you?
That's the difference between you and a successful Photographer like me. I
take advantage of dick heads trying to act smart and you don't know how to
counter it. You really are pathetic, Hogan. Why don't you just give up on
it?
Eighty people - without any prompting or request from me, left very generous
comments about me, the photographs they bought and my wedding photography.
The last four related to two pictures you see on eBay right now, that have
already sold.
And what about the Pelicans at dusk I posted here last October?
"Inappropriate use of flash" I think was the comment. Hell Bret, I knew it
was a sure fire seller the minute you canned it... And it is! If you
actually had a clue about why people buy, you might get somewhere in life...
Probably too late for you.
If you are to be believed (hopefully no one will bother after this thread)
the people who shelled out their cash currency over eBay and personally
collected their works of art, are either blind or stupid? All the people who
buy my works are stupid or blind too? I think it's you who are the stupid
one, Bret. Not a clue about what you are doing or why.
You and a couple of oddballs from your mob (for want of a better
description) are obsessed with reproducing your idea of a faithful rendition
of a scene when photography itself is not capable of doing that.
Oh... Arrr That's a beautiful photo Bret. You must be so proud of yourself
and only cropped by 90% too. Magnificent stuff Bret. How long in Photoshop?
Oh, only 2 hours, how wonderful.
When you first saw my "Lightning on the beach" shot for Shootin, even that
deliberately obvious work, fooled you. It was then I discover you are all
piss and wind with no substance. You really thought I'd stood up on magnetic
sand in the middle of a lightning storm to take that picture?... Stupid,
stupid Bret. For those interested:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/27848862
I make fine art photographs and I make panorama photographs. I make "works
of art" from photographs as well as paint pictures and... I'm a Wedding
Photographer on Saturdays. I also exhibit my work on most Sundays at the
Cleveland craft markets in Southern Queensland (Australia). For 6 months of
the year I hold exhibitions of my work in regional cities.
I am probably a more productive Photographer at 63 than you ever have been
at anything in your entire life. I have two wide format photo printers
running 8 hours a day, printing mine and my client's enlargements using an
algorithm you and that oddball Thomas, beat the shit out of me over last
year and the year before, because YOU couldn't understand how it could be
done...
Here's a flash. Bret Hogan is too narrow minded to grasp new concepts and
independent or creative ideas.
If your attempts are not driven by jealousy, the Psychologist in our family
doesn't deserve the honours she got when she graduated in the top 10 of her
class. She did an analysis of you Brettie boy... and I gotta tell you it
ain't pretty. You really ought to get some help before you start using the
razor blades on your wrists mate.
Pathetic little insecure brat that you are. Get a life, trying to best me
ain't working.
Douglas
Annika1980
gro...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> It's a very sad day when a gutter dwelling cretin like you can fan so many
> other oddballs into a mob. It must have been how the lynch mobs worked in
> the old west. Incidentally... Why are you still wasting our oxygen by
> continually breathing when I told you to stop it?
Yeah, you wished death on me.
How'd that work out for ya?
==================================>
> If you are to be believed (hopefully no one will bother after this thread)
> the people who shelled out their cash currency over eBay and personally
> collected their works of art, are either blind or stupid? All the people who
> buy my works are stupid or blind too?
You said it. For once, no argument from me.
==================
>I think it's you who are the stupid
> one, Bret. Not a clue about what you are doing or why.
I know exactly what I'm doing. I'm punking you out on a daily basis.
You are a piece of string and I'm the cat.
==================
> You and a couple of oddballs from your mob (for want of a better
> description) are obsessed with reproducing your idea of a faithful rendition
> of a scene when photography itself is not capable of doing that.
Perhaps not, but a photograph can at least be well-composed, well-
exposed, in focus, and have level horizons. All of those qualities
seem to have eluded your grasp, judgng by your web gallery seen here:
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/
====================
>
> Oh... Arrr That's a beautiful photo Bret. You must be so proud of yourself
> and only cropped by 90% too. Magnificent stuff Bret. How long in Photoshop?
> Oh, only 2 hours, how wonderful.
This, from the guy who sells a pic which he mirrored the left half of
to make into a panoramic.
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74145679
Then you claim that "this was the scene presented to me" that morning.
========================
>
> When you first saw my "Lightning on the beach" shot for Shootin, even that
> deliberately obvious work, fooled you. It was then I discover you are all
> piss and wind with no substance. You really thought I'd stood up on magnetic
> sand in the middle of a lightning storm to take that picture?... Stupid,
> stupid Bret.
No dumbass, what I said was, "Cool pic."
> I make fine art photographs and I make panorama photographs. I make "works
> of art" from photographs as well as paint pictures and... I'm a Wedding
> Photographer on Saturdays. I also exhibit my work on most Sundays at the
> Cleveland craft markets in Southern Queensland (Australia). For 6 months of
> the year I hold exhibitions of my work in regional cities.
>
> I am probably a more productive Photographer at 63 than you ever have been
> at anything in your entire life.
The good photographers don't need to gush on about their pics. The
photos speak for themselves. All of you pics just scream, "I suck!"
If you actually make money selling your shitty pics it is a testament
to your ability as a carnival barker, not as a photographer.
I'd rather take nice photos and let others enjoy them rather than take
godawful pics like you and profit from them.
===========================
> Here's a flash. Bret Hogan is too narrow minded to grasp new concepts and
> independent or creative ideas.
Here's a flash. Douggie is so stupid he doesn't even know my real
name.
LOL! What a stupid git!
===========================
> If your attempts are not driven by jealousy, the Psychologist in our family
> doesn't deserve the honours she got when she graduated in the top 10 of her
> class. She did an analysis of you Brettie boy... and I gotta tell you it
> ain't pretty. You really ought to get some help before you start using the
> razor blades on your wrists mate.
> Pathetic little insecure brat that you are. Get a life, trying to best me
> ain't working.
Dream on. I don't know too many Psychologists worth their salt who
would attempt to diagnose someone online from their posts in a
newsgroup. It seems that every trait that you possess you try to label
me with.
One wonders what the brilliant Psychologist in your family would have
to say about you?
You are just a paranoid, insecure, neurotic. A bitter, sad old man.
Paul Furman
> On Feb 9, 1:51 am, "Douglas MacDonald" <photosbydouglas-
> gro...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>You and a couple of oddballs from your mob (for want of a better
>>description) are obsessed with reproducing your idea of a faithful rendition
>>of a scene when photography itself is not capable of doing that.
>
>
> Perhaps not, but a photograph can at least be well-composed, well-
> exposed, in focus, and have level horizons. All of those qualities
> seem to have eluded your grasp, judgng by your web gallery seen here:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/
Ack this one titled 'misc > Who needs RAW?' has the most godawful jpeg
compression artifacts in the sky I've ever seen:
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74145678
And it looks to me like dust on the sensor above the leftmost boy's head.
Nicholas O. Lindan
> > exposed, in focus, and have level horizons. All of those qualities
> > seem to have eluded your grasp, judgng by your web gallery seen here:
> > http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/
> Ack this one titled 'misc > Who needs RAW?' has the most godawful jpeg
> compression artifacts in the sky I've ever seen:
> http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74145678
> And it looks to me like dust on the sensor above the leftmost boy's head.
Am I missing something and not recognizing these posts
as satire taken to a new level and thereby having a 'Duh'
moment.? These posts can't be serious ... but they sure
look serious.
Michael Crichton's 'Eaters of the Dead' got shelved under
biography in many libraries. Is this that sort of thing?
If so I have been well and truly had.
--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com
Nicholas O. Lindan
> > > http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/
> > > Ack this one titled 'misc - Who needs RAW?' has the most godawful jpeg
> > >> http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74145678
> Am I missing something?
Hooh boy ... the thing I am missing is supposed to be
resting between my shoulders.
> and not recognizing these posts and thereby having a 'Duh' moment.?
That would be charitable.
The last few posts slid under the kill file and I took
a look to see what all the broo-ha-ha was about. I _then_
looked at the beginning of the thread w/Google:_after_
posting the above: "Duh!"
I should know better.
Can one delete Usenet posts?
* * *
BTW, If you only read the last five posts this thread
is pretty surreal.
Paul Furman
>>>Perhaps not, but a photograph can at least be well-composed, well-
>>>exposed, in focus, and have level horizons. All of those qualities
>>>seem to have eluded your grasp, judgng by your web gallery seen here:
>>>http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/
>>
>>Ack this one titled 'misc > Who needs RAW?' has the most godawful jpeg
>>compression artifacts in the sky I've ever seen:
>>http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74145678
>>And it looks to me like dust on the sensor above the leftmost boy's head.
That sensor dust must be on the Olympus?
> Am I missing something and not recognizing these posts
> as satire taken to a new level and thereby having a 'Duh'
> moment.? These posts can't be serious ... but they sure
> look serious.
Yes it's satire, those are Annika's collection of dMac's worst pictures.
I'm assuming these crops I made:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/20d-fz50>
... are the comparison shots from dMac which he has already pulled. I
don't think Annika had to do any editing, I believe dMac actually posted
these in support of his claim that his Panasonic point-and-shoot camera
knocked the socks off a Canon 20D DSLR. The crops sure tell the story,
unbelieveable difference, the FZ-50 shows an INCREDIBLY noise reduced
glossy mush on the flower and the 20D shows every little hair on the
plant. I wouldn't have guessed the difference would be so ENORMOUS.
Reduce the whole image and the Panasonic looks more 'punchy' with more DOF:
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74145675/large
http://www.pbase.com/photosbydouglas/image/74146002/large
... but look at the crop and WOW!
> Michael Crichton's 'Eaters of the Dead' got shelved under
> biography in many libraries. Is this that sort of thing?
> If so I have been well and truly had.
Ha. I didn't realize it was satire at first either.
The photos are real though.
Joseph Kewfi
Really, I'd bet you're timid as a mouse in person.
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> On Feb 8, 12:57 pm, "Matt Clara" <mattcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You certainly are a tiresome twat.
>
> You mess with the bull, you get the horns!
>
>
>
>
>
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> > You mess with the bull, you get the horns
>
> Really, I'd bet you're timid as a mouse in person.
Well my wife says I'm meaner than a striped snake in a Sunday suit.
Matt Clara
> On Feb 9, 3:57 am, "Matt Clara" <mattcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 10:17 am, "Annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > D-Mac, aka "Douglas St. James MacDonald" has once again graced us with
> > > a fine example of his Photoshop mastery.
>
> > You certainly are a tiresome twat.
>
> Takes one...?
>
> Matt, you were never seen on this on this rather unpleasant thread
> (well, not as Matt Clara, anyway):
>
>
> ..where you were accused (on rather damning IP evidence) of being
> "niceparking".
>
> You vanished for a while around that time before returning, I note...
> care to comment now, given this new holier-than-thou image?
>
> *I* humbly apologise if I'm wrong. Wonder where niceparking is now...
>
> (O;
ROTFLMAO!!!
Joseph Kewfi
I guess she hasn't met many real men in that case. Virgin bride?
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>> Well my wife says I'm meaner than a striped snake in a Sunday suit
>
> I guess she hasn't met many real men in that case. Virgin bride?
>
that snide remark is at gutter level, even for you. You are just a
cheap asshole, and you know what an asshole is? it's a conduit for
shit, which fits you perfectly.
Colin D.
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Annika1980
> > Well my wife says I'm meaner than a striped snake in a Sunday suit
>
> I guess she hasn't met many real men in that case. Virgin bride?
Yeah, I think so. At least she told me so.
And Virgins don't lie!
Annika1980
> Joseph Kewfi wrote:
> >> Well my wife says I'm meaner than a striped snake in a Sunday suit
>
> > I guess she hasn't met many real men in that case. Virgin bride?
>
> I'm trying to stay on the sideline in these D-Mac-oriented threads, but
> that snide remark is at gutter level, even for you. You are just a
> cheap asshole, and you know what an asshole is? it's a conduit for
> shit, which fits you perfectly.
>
Aw, that's just Kewfi being Kewfi.
He's not a bad little nazi once you get to know him.
Colin_D
There are limits, and kewfie's remark was well outside any bounds of
decency. I bet he wouldn't have the guts to say that to you in person.
Mark˛
> Annika1980 wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 7:34 pm, Colin_D <nos...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> Joseph Kewfi wrote:
>>>>> Well my wife says I'm meaner than a striped snake in a Sunday suit
>>>> I guess she hasn't met many real men in that case. Virgin bride?
>>> I'm trying to stay on the sideline in these D-Mac-oriented threads,
>>> but that snide remark is at gutter level, even for you. You are
>>> just a cheap asshole, and you know what an asshole is? it's a
>>> conduit for shit, which fits you perfectly.
>>>
>>
>> Aw, that's just Kewfi being Kewfi.
>> He's not a bad little nazi once you get to know him.
>>
> I bet he wouldn't have the guts to say that to you in
> person.
> Colin D.
To Bret...maybe. To me? No way.
Kewpi'd run for the Irish Hills...
I'm no brute, but it helps to be LARGE.
Bret's large, but that's all about Krispy Kreme...
:)
Annika1980
here)@cox..net> wrote:
> To Bret...maybe. To me? No way.
> Kewpi'd run for the Irish Hills...
> I'm no brute, but it helps to be LARGE.
> Bret's large, but that's all about Krispy Kreme...
> :)
I'm large and in charge, dude.
Annika1980
>
> I can relate to that quote first hand as I've had my share of
> shenanigans with people considerably smaller than myself and had my
> hands full with several, to put it mildly. All in fun :))
>
> My money would be on Kewfi... he's been there and done that. You on
> the other hand.......
I'd bet on Monkey Boy Morgan. He can climb a tree barefoot with a 5D
hangin from his neck and a 580EX in his mouth.
Born in the jungle ... raised by gorillas ..... or so I've heard.
Skip
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>
> "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight
> in the dog."
>
> I can relate to that quote first hand as I've had my share of
> shenanigans with people considerably smaller than myself and had my
> hands full with several, to put it mildly. All in fun :))
>
> My money would be on Kewfi... he's been there and done that. You on
> the other hand.......
>
Anybody who came through those fires we had several years ago with their
sense of humor and reality intact, as Mark did, my money's on him. On the
other hand, Kewfi is Irish, so it might be a draw...
--
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www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
www.pbase.com/skipm
mark.t...@gmail.com
the floor.
On Feb 10, 8:23 am, "Matt Clara" <mattcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 4:59 pm, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:
> ..where you were accused (on rather damning IP evidence) of being
> > "niceparking".
...
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!
Strange way to respond. But if he thinks it funny, and offers no
denial, that's aas good as admission.
So just to verify, Matt Clara has now apparently admitted he was the
one to call Helen Silverberg by a *very* unpleasant name.
Also, he is stupid enough to think Helen is a sockpuppet of Annika's.
Pretty adept with your knowledge of how to identify posters, aren't ya
there, Matt..?
Mark˛
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:00:31 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
> number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
>
> "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight
> in the dog."
Yep, I agree...but when ya gots both...it makes for
one mean, Kewpi-bitin' dawg...
:) :)
> I can relate to that quote first hand as I've had my share of
> shenanigans with people considerably smaller than myself and had my
> hands full with several, to put it mildly. All in fun :))
>
> My money would be on Kewfi... he's been there and done that. You on
> the other hand.......
Oh, I'd imagine Kewpi's been there and been done... :)
Heck, if Kewpi shoots his mouth off anywhere with human beings physically in
the room, he's more than likely found himself on the mat with rather large
portions of his mouth "shot off" ...and bleeding. :) So if that's what you
mean by "been there done that..." perhaps true.
Mark˛
Ya, but I'll be sober. Plus, that pasty-white Irish skin bleeds like the
dickens..and blurs their vision even more than the pub-juice.
By the way, Skip... Your memory is good.
Mine doesn't need to be to remember that night.
One of these days I'll have to post some of those images. They were only up
temporarily at the time, and posted in a hurry with blisters on my hands and
feet.
Mark˛
Can anyone prove that?
mark.t...@gmail.com
here)@cox..net> wrote:
At the time I checked, there was a *direct match* of IP adresses -
others on the thread, eg Michael Benveniste (sp?, I think) first noted
this.
Mr Clara also hangs out at a Harry Potter group, and guess where
niceparking was frequently seen at the same time, same IP? Lastly,
both niceparking and Matt use a double-dash-no-space thing like this--
ok, others do it too--(grin) but it isn't all that common. Then there
is Matt's other vitriol towards Annika leading up to the event, his
complete absence from the thread in question, and his complete absence
from all these groups for some time after the thread in question...
I rest my case. (O;
To give him a small out, he appears to have now thought Helen was an
Annika sockpuppet, although he could have come up with that convenient
excuse later...
Mark˛
If true, that's very disappointing.
Joseph Kewfi
> And Virgins don't lie!
We've seen endless pictures of your pet dog Bret, why haven't we seen any
pictures of your old lady then?
Is there something Freudian going on there buddy?
I'm sure many of us would be interested in taking a gawp at the little lady,
unless of course you've got her chained to the kitchen sink with a mattress
strapped to her back, you real man you ;-]
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> dickens..and blurs their vision even more than the pub-juice.
I get accused of being a nazi, yet you seem to love resorting to racial
stereotypes at every hands turn, you did this a few years back as well if I
recall correctly, now if I may momentarily allow myself to stoop down to
your low level, I would say something along these lines:
[Politically Correct Version]
The only way one of you fat redneck Yankee faggot's could beat me is if you
raided your gun racks, otherwise I'd kick you up and down your trailer park.
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> There are limits, and kewfie's remark was well outside any bounds of
> decency. I bet he wouldn't have the guts to say that to you in person.
You've no idea the kind of shit I pull.
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>> Ya, but I'll be sober. Plus, that pasty-white Irish skin bleeds like the
>> dickens..and blurs their vision even more than the pub-juice.
>
> I get accused of being a nazi, yet you seem to love resorting to racial
> stereotypes at every hands turn, you did this a few years back as well if
> I recall correctly, now if I may momentarily allow myself to stoop down to
> your low level, I would say something along these lines:
> [Politically Correct Version]
> The only way one of you fat redneck Yankee faggot's could beat me is if
> you raided your gun racks, otherwise I'd kick you up and down your trailer
> park.
>
That's a very safe thing for you to say, at that distance, Joe. I'd almost
be willing to chip in for a cheap plane ticket for you to get here, just to
have the pleasure of seeing you try to back up your words.
Joseph Kewfi
> almost be willing to chip in for a cheap plane ticket for you to get here,
> just to have the pleasure of seeing you try to back up your words.
Skippy, even if you paid double the air fare, I wouldn't now, go near your
screwed up country, after what I've written I'd probably end up being
tortured in Gitmo. I wish I was joking. The whole world knows, you Yanks are
nothing but cowards without your guns and bombs.
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Annika1980
> You've no idea the kind of shit I pull.
Sounds like maybe you're in the wrong hole.
Don't any of your mates have a sister?
Annika1980
> > Yeah, I think so. At least she told me so.
> > And Virgins don't lie!
>
> We've seen endless pictures of your pet dog Bret, why haven't we seen any
> pictures of your old lady then?
> Is there something Freudian going on there buddy?
>
Nope, just a little matter of personal privacy.
She doesn't like to be photographed. I've got plenty of pics of her
flipping me off when she saw the camera pointing at her.
The Mighty Jewel, on the other hand, loves being photographed. So I
guess you'll have to confine your insults to her.
Not too many people here have posted pics of their immediate families,
probably for the same reasons.
Annika1980
here)@cox..net> wrote:
Just to be clear, I don't have sockpuppets. Google shows over 27,000
posts that I've made under this moniker. I wouldn't have much time to
be switching screen names every 5 minutes like D-Mac and Clara.
Also, I've worked pretty hard to build this online persona. I can't
see throwing all that away and starting over. What would that
accomplish? I don't need to use another screen name to insult
someone, I do plenty of that with this one. Also, I don't spend a lot
of time worrying about whether someone online likes me.
As if you can judge someone from their online persona, anyway. We've
had this discussion many times before. I've met many people from
online through playing in golf tournaments and 95% of them are far
different that what I would expect from their online personas. Some
folks try to be consistent all the time, whether posting online or
conversing face-to-face. Other people assume certain traits online
that they may not show in person. So when I call Kewfi a "Nazi" or
Mark Morgan a "Penis Wrinkle" I am simply referring to their online
persona. For all I know they could be total opposites in person.
Having said all that, I do believe there are lines that shouldn't be
crossed.
You've never heard me disparage D-Mac's wife, for example, cause I
believe that's over the line. Besides, I pity the poor woman.
Doug Robbins
>see throwing all that away and starting over.
This would be the online persona of an annoying twit?
Colin_D
>> Well, maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but anything doesn't go with me.
>> There are limits, and kewfie's remark was well outside any bounds of
>> decency. I bet he wouldn't have the guts to say that to you in person.
>
> You've no idea the kind of shit I pull.
>
>> Well, maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but anything doesn't go with me.
>> There are limits, and kewfie's remark was well outside any bounds of
>> decency. I bet he wouldn't have the guts to say that to you in person.
>>
>> Colin D.
>>
>> --
>
Is that a boast, or just newsgroup bravado?
Colin_D
Colin_D
images. Don't ask me to 'prove' it, one only has to read the posts.
OTOH, your posts put you in the group that specializes in sniping from
afar, only interjecting in a thread to post your (to you) smart remarks.
Annika1980
> >Having said all that, I do believe there are lines that shouldn't be
> >crossed.
> >You've never heard me disparage D-Mac's wife, for example, cause I
> >believe that's over the line. Besides, I pity the poor woman.
>
> But it's ok for you to call my daughters whores?
> A bit of a wind sock.
Would it be too much trouble for you to cite where I ever said that?
Mark˛
Bret,
My "very disappointing" comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at
the notion/possibility that Matt Clara might be behind the hideously
trollish stuff thrown at Helen and others here. That would be
disappointing, because I never would have suspected that.
-M²
Skip
>> That's a very safe thing for you to say, at that distance, Joe. I'd
>> almost be willing to chip in for a cheap plane ticket for you to get
>> here, just to have the pleasure of seeing you try to back up your words.
>
> Skippy, even if you paid double the air fare, I wouldn't now, go near your
> screwed up country, after what I've written I'd probably end up being
> tortured in Gitmo. I wish I was joking. The whole world knows, you Yanks
> are nothing but cowards without your guns and bombs.
>
Joseph, I owe you and this list an apology, but, then, so do you and
everybody else who has participated in this part of the thread. This macho
posturing has no place here, and I've participated in it. A long time ago,
I decided I would avoid threads that you and Douglas were in, just because
they degenerate to this level. Sometimes, it is not your fault, that's not
what I'm saying. But this is a photo newsgroup, not a "I'm tougher than you
are," or "I hate your country" group. Against my promise to myself, I let
myself get sucked into this and another thread and, frankly, I'm not happy
with myself. If you, Mark, Annika/Bret, Douglas, myself, and all the others
slinging crap around here would restrain ourselves, this would be a much
more useful place.
One reason us Americans react so strongly to things that you, your
countrymen, Douglas and his countrymen say is a sense of betrayal. We like
the Irish, we identify with them, and many of us trace our ancestry back to
that country. To be hated, unreasoningly, by someone we want to like is
hard to accept. It is a similar thing with the Aussies. We view them as
something like younger brothers, much like ourselves when we were young,
brash, loud, adventurous, and we admire that, both in ourselves and in them.
Americans have a tough place in the world, you and your politicians wanted
us to lead, to make the world safe, and it was a responsibility that we
weren't ready to accept. We don't have the social makeup to be an Empire,
or a world dominant power. But, time after time, we've been asked to step
in, like in Bosnia, and it gave our politicians the feeling that we had to
solve everything, and that we had the ability to do so. Maybe we do, maybe
we don't. It's not for me to say.
This is not a hand extended in friendship, or anything like that. It is
just a statement of the way things look, from my point of view.
Mark˛
> "Joseph Kewfi" <f_sto...@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
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>>> That's a very safe thing for you to say, at that distance, Joe. I'd
>>> almost be willing to chip in for a cheap plane ticket for you to get
>>> here, just to have the pleasure of seeing you try to back up your
>>> words.
>>
>> Skippy, even if you paid double the air fare, I wouldn't now, go
>> near your screwed up country, after what I've written I'd probably
>> end up being tortured in Gitmo. I wish I was joking. The whole world
>> knows, you Yanks are nothing but cowards without your guns and bombs.
>>
>
> Joseph, I owe you and this list an apology, but, then, so do you and
> everybody else who has participated in this part of the thread. This
> macho posturing has no place here, and I've participated in it.
Mine was mostly toungue-in-cheek, Skip. -While I do think I'd wax the floor
with Kewpi if it really came to that...I'm not a viiolent person at all. I
am capable of using my considerable strength and aggrtessiveness if I need
it, but that's not my tendency. Kewpi seems to think like a thug, and so my
reaction considered the audience. ;)
Actually, I only see Kewpi in echo, so it wasn't until Helen responded to
his post that talked smack against my 91 year old grandmother that I knew
much of what he was actually "contributing" to this thread.
My basic response is that I agree...that twits like Kewpi wouldn't have the
cajones to say anything even remotely resembling what he says here, were he
looking accross at nearly ANY of us. For that reason, I find him not only
dimj-witted, but cowardly and slinking as well. My tendency is to call
people's bluff, and in this case...whether he admits it or not, I think
Kewpi is a cowardly guy who snipes away behind his blanket of distance.
>cowardlyA
> long time ago, I decided I would avoid threads that you and Douglas
> were in, just because they degenerate to this level. Sometimes, it
> is not your fault, that's not what I'm saying. But this is a photo
> newsgroup, not a "I'm tougher than you are," or "I hate your country"
> group. Against my promise to myself, I let myself get sucked into
> this and another thread and, frankly, I'm not happy with myself. If
> you, Mark, Annika/Bret, Douglas, myself, and all the others slinging
> crap around here would restrain ourselves, this would be a much more
> useful place.
That's true, and I agree. I have Douglas Mac, Kewpi, ASAAR, Rita Dallas and
some others in my klink-file for that very reason. -It's too easy to be
pulled into crap. So ya, I'm guilty too.
> One reason us Americans react so strongly to things that you, your
> countrymen, Douglas and his countrymen say is a sense of betrayal. We like
> the Irish, we identify with them, and many of us trace our
> ancestry back to that country. To be hated, unreasoningly, by
> someone we want to like is hard to accept. It is a similar thing
> with the Aussies. We view them as something like younger brothers,
> much like ourselves when we were young, brash, loud, adventurous, and
> we admire that, both in ourselves and in them. Americans have a tough
> place in the world, you and your politicians wanted us to lead, to
> make the world safe, and it was a responsibility that we weren't
> ready to accept. We don't have the social makeup to be an Empire, or
> a world dominant power. But, time after time, we've been asked to
> step in, like in Bosnia, and it gave our politicians the feeling that
> we had to solve everything, and that we had the ability to do so. Maybe we
> do, maybe we don't. It's not for me to say. This is not a hand extended
> in friendship, or anything like that. It
> is just a statement of the way things look, from my point of view.
Well put.
Annika1980
>
> >Would it be too much trouble for you to cite where I ever said that?
>
> You wrote it and you know you wrote it.
> Not something I'll soon forget.
>
> Here is the picture that you referenced for your "whore" statement...
>
> http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/image/32817612
>
> Hopefully the photograph will refresh your very selective memory.
After some searching, I found the post in question. Unlike your
posts, which are not archived, mine are all still intact. The reason
I couldn't remember calling your daughters "whores" is because I never
called them whores.
This is what I did write:
========================
>Thanks for the offer but I'm not crazy about Florida.... you know,
>humidity, hurricanes, hillbillys....
Yeah, but you gotta love the cheap hookers!
http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/image/32817612
========================
You see, there is a difference.
Hookers do it as a business. Whores give it away.
Anyway, I'm sure I could find many worse things that you've said about
me, had your posts not all disappeared.
Annika1980
> Ah, cheap hookers or whores.
> Wonder what Roget would say.
>
> Perhaps your Usenet posting standards aren't as high as you perceive
> them to be.
Or maybe even I sometimes cross the line.
I do recognize the line is there, however.
Mark˛
> On 10 Feb 2007 19:03:00 -0800, "Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com>
> Wonder what Roget would say.
>
> Perhaps your Usenet posting standards aren't as high as you perceive
> them to be.
>
Actually, Rich, I've wanted to mention to you that your daughters are just
gorgeous. The eyes are absolutely stunning. -Like in this one:
http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/image/47895463
Wow.
Lock your doors and man the shot-gun.
:)
Truly something special there.
-Mark²
m II
> 9. I get along with almost everyone, but I can't stand a liar, a
> thief, or a fraud.
Your self loathing is showing again, you vulgar little man.
mike
Mark˛
> Very respectful, intelligent with very high standards. We got lucky.
> Sure is a lot more pleasant reading a comment such as yours as opposed
> to the former.
>
> RP©
I used to really go after Bret in the old days...thinking he was a real
jerk. Sometimes he's still a jerk (me too, sometimes). But over the years
(Wow. It's actually been more than a few now...) I've realized that
underneath all that foul-mouthed wit and nastiness is a heart that isn't
nearly as cold as it seems. He'll hate me for saying it, and might even
chime in here to make sure his snappy insults remain true to the projected
persona...but he's not a bad guy. He's one of the most witty, goofy people
I've ever known, and is totally diferent from me in most ways
(Hmmm...meaning I'm boring, perhaps??)
Don't take anything too seriously or personally. He took to calling me
"Penis Wrinkle" for a long time, so I started calling him "Penis Wrinkle
Envy." After a while, you figure out when it's Bret...and when it's
"Annika" schtick. I don't always approve...but I don't throw him in the
klink file, either, because I know what he's doing, and it often isn't what
it appears. It's also a fact that his photography...whatever you think of
it...is MILES ahead of where it was 5 years ago. Figure out which
Bret/Annika side you're talking to, and it's easier to take.
I've suggested going easier on the apparent helplessness/hopelessness of
D-Mac...but I also understand why it's tough to resist.
Annika1980
What was I thinking? I should have remembered to include you as well.
So add "Prick" to the list.
Annika1980
here)@cox..net> wrote:
> I used to really go after Bret in the old days...thinking he was a real
> jerk. Sometimes he's still a jerk (me too, sometimes). But over the years
> (Wow. It's actually been more than a few now...) I've realized that
> underneath all that foul-mouthed wit and nastiness is a heart that isn't
> nearly as cold as it seems.
As Popeye would say, "I yam what I yam."
And no anonymous online sniper is ever gonna change that.
They can call me anything they want or make judgements about me till
they're blue in the face if it makes them feel better. I could give
a rat's ass.
They're all just names on a screen to me, babe.
Annika1980
here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
> Actually, Rich, I've wanted to mention to you that your daughters are just
> gorgeous. The eyes are absolutely stunning. -Like in this one:http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/image/47895463
> Wow.
> Lock your doors and man the shot-gun.
> :)
Watch out, Pos. Monkey-boy is scoping out your daughters!
I'm guessin this one was taken on a chilly day.
http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/image/28909893
Just a bit nipply, as they say around these parts.
Doug Robbins
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And you are Bret's champion? hmmmmm.
Joseph Kewfi
> everybody else who has participated in this part of the thread. This
> macho posturing has no place here, and I've participated in it.
I agree with you, the posturing bit is a load of bollocks not to be taken
seriously at all, I didn't start it, in fact I got involved in it only to
irritate Bret just to amuse myself for a few moments of idle time, I
couldn't get him to rise though. I made a comment alluding to his wife, then
I get some abuse from someone else, on top of that Mouth Organ comes in with
the same racial stereotyping racism disguised as humour he's used in the
past, so I figure, what the fuck, I can throw shit too, and I still have a
few moments of idle time to kill.
I shouldn't have reacted with the posts I made, but I wasn't being all
serious when I typed them either. I didn't expect anyone to be personally
wounded by it, which by the sound of it you are, for that I apologise.
> Americans have a tough place in the world, you and your politicians wanted
> us to lead, to make the world safe, and it was a responsibility that we
> weren't ready to accept. We don't have the social makeup to be an Empire,
> or a world dominant power. But, time after time, we've been asked to step
> in, like in Bosnia, and it gave our politicians the feeling that we had to
> solve everything, and that we had the ability to do so. Maybe we do,
> maybe we don't. It's not for me to say.
> This is not a hand extended in friendship, or anything like that. It is
> just a statement of the way things look, from my point of view.
I suggest you dig deeper and try to actually find out how the world has come
to be in the position it's in, some of the statements you've made there, are
laughably naive Hollywood like fantasy. I'm sorry but the image you have of
yourselves is just not borne out by the facts.
Before dismissing alternative point's of view, you may find it a real
eye-opener to read such books like Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky or
Failed States, State of Denial by Bob Woodward or Killing Hope by William
Blum or Iraqi Confidential by Scott Ritter, Palestine - Peace Not Apartheid
by Jimmy Carter, I could go on and on. Before anyone dismisses these works
as leftwing nonsense, all you have to do is check the facts outlined in
these works, do a bit of research, the information is all readily available
(you are very fortunate to still have the information available) if you
just care to read it, especially on Hegemony or Survival, many topics dealt
with from 1950's onwards are now declassified documents that substantiate
the authors work. I shouldn't have to tell you either that all the authors
I've mentioned are Yanks, writing about their own country, god forbid I be
accused of "anti-Americanism" or being a "terrorist" yet again.
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Your self loathing is showing again, you vulgar, foul mouthed little
cretin of a man.
mike
mark.t...@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 3:10 pm, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 10:30 pm, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:
> > Your self loathing is showing again, you vulgar little man.
...
>
> Your self loathing is showing again, you vulgar, foul mouthed little
> cretin of a man.
Just thought it was worth observing that those two lines are, in fact,
*everything* "m II" has posted to this thread (well, under that name
anyway). On topic, succinct.. and note how with a deft hand he added
two insults and re-posted...!
Annika - you have met your match here. I would run if I was you.
Mark˛
> On 10 Feb 2007 20:37:09 -0800, "Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com>
> so I know it was warm if she's not wearing a parka.
> Far as the nipply part... like I said, she's an upstanding young woman
> :)
Shouldn't that be an "OUTstanding young woman" in this case?
(I'm amazed you didn't take offense, BTW...)
Colin_D
or downright insulting posts. And smartass remarks such as your previous.
Neither am I Helen Silverburg's champion, but I didn't stand for some
asshole calling her a whore either.
The trouble with usenet is that some types can't resist saying things
they wouldn't dare to face to face, yet somehow the anonymity brings out
the worst in them. Do you fit that scenario?
helensi...@hotmail.com
> Doug Robbins wrote:
>
> "Colin_D" <nos...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message>news:45ce2e17$0$16298$8826...@free.teranews.com...
> >> Doug Robbins wrote:
> >>>> Also, I've worked pretty hard to build this online persona. I can't
> >>>> see throwing all that away and starting over.
> >>> This would be the online persona of an annoying twit?
>
> >> Only in your estimation. Many posters here enjoy Bret's style, and
> >> images. Don't ask me to 'prove' it, one only has to read the posts.
>
> >> OTOH, your posts put you in the group that specializes in sniping from
> >> afar, only interjecting in a thread to post your (to you) smart remarks.
>
> >> Colin D.
>
> >> --
>
> > And you are Bret's champion? hmmmmm.
>
> Negative. I champion fair play, no ad hominem attacks, personal abuse,
> or downright insulting posts. And smartass remarks such as your previous.
>
> Neither am I Helen Silverburg's champion, but I didn't stand for some
> asshole calling her a whore either.
>
> The trouble with usenet is that some types can't resist saying things
> they wouldn't dare to face to face, yet somehow the anonymity brings out
> the worst in them. Do you fit that scenario?
>
> Colin D.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
I remember, and I thank you Colin for your gallantness. Your kindness
remains unforgotten. There were quite a few who felt the same way you
do, and I am very thankful indeed and truly touched.
Helen
Skip
"Joseph Kewfi" <f_sto...@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
Joseph, what makes you think I haven't read at least some of the books on
that list? I'm not a right wing adherent, I think for myself. Woodward and
Carter both had salient points to make, and there's a lot to the idea that
Bush and his buddies have cocked things up in a stunning way. And before
you say the press only tells us what the govt. wants us to hear, remember
that Bob Woodward is a journalist, first.
But that's not my point. My points were that, in the first place, this is
not a place for the conversations that have been taking place here, and,
secondly, there is a reason, a valid one, for the strength of response that
English speaking, non American commentators get here. That's all. This
will be the last comment I make on the subject, and on this thread. I've
said all I need to say.
Doug Robbins
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I believe I used the word "twit". Webster defines the word as "a silly
annoying person". I am the judge of what I find silly and annoying. And now
you join Bret in that category. Go lecture someone else. I find your
moralizing irrelevant.
Doug Robbins
>>
> I'm trying to stay on the sideline in these D-Mac-oriented threads, but
> that snide remark is at gutter level, even for you. You are just a cheap
> asshole, and you know what an asshole is? it's a conduit for shit, which
> fits you perfectly.
>
> Colin D.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com>
To quote from a recent reply to one of my posts" Colin said " I champion
fair play, no ad hominem attacks, personal abuse, or downright insulting
posts. "
Sorry Colin. You are obviously a hypocrite, and comdemn others for snide
remarks, while being totally over the top with your own comments. You have
no credibilty now.
Doug
Doug Robbins
> (snip)
> The trouble with usenet is that some types can't resist saying things they
> wouldn't dare to face to face, yet somehow the anonymity brings out the
> worst in them. Do you fit that scenario?
>
> Colin D.
Thing like this quote from a recent post you made?
"You are just a cheap asshole, and you know what an asshole is? it's a
conduit for shit, which fits you perfectly."
Colin D."
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Alan Browne
> The only way one of you fat redneck Yankee faggot's could beat me is if you
> raided your gun racks, otherwise I'd kick you up and down your trailer park.
You can, by all evidence, be a fat yankee or a fat redneck, and all
variants with "faggot" as well.
But you can't be a "redneck" and "yankee" at the same time.
michelo
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> Very respectful, intelligent with very high standards. We got lucky.
> Sure is a lot more pleasant reading a comment such as yours as opposed
> to the former.
>
> RP©
They both show their appreciation in their own writing style.
I clearly remember the choking comment and was wondering at the time if you
would send someone to break his legs.
Michel
Colin_D
Well, Doug, you are somewhat renowned for critical, and sometimes
Kewpie-like remarks, at least on this NG, so your post comes as no surprise.
Regarding the above quotes from my post, I should have added 'but if you
start it I'll finish it'. Kewpie started it with an incredibly
insulting remark toward someone I happen to like. Ironically, Kewpie's
problem is mine as well - Irish blood.
>
Perhaps that's a chink in my armor; I don't start these attacks, but I
am somewhat liable to reply in the same vein as the perpetrator. If
someone swings a punch at me, or people I like, I will swing back.
Turning the other cheek is not an option.
It all goes to show there are no winners, only losers, in slanging
matches.
Frank ess
<snippage has occurred>
> Negative. I champion fair play, no ad hominem attacks, personal
> abuse, or downright insulting posts. And smartass remarks such as
> your previous.
> Neither am I Helen Silverburg's champion, but I didn't stand for
> some
> asshole calling her a whore either.
>
True; you didn't stand for it and ... uh ... made some remarks!
Smartass ones, even! That'll show 'em!
> The trouble with usenet is that some types can't resist saying
> things
> they wouldn't dare to face to face, yet somehow the anonymity brings
> out the worst in them. Do you fit that scenario?
>
Yup.
And so do all of us. It's the nature of the beast. No matter how hard
you wish, or even if you hold your mouth just right when you do it,
what you get is what everyone gets: a BIG RUSH OF SELF-RIGHTEOUS
ADRENALINE, and nothing more. If it pays off for you, fine; whatever
payoff is in it for you or anyone else may or may not be related to
"the real world" as you see it, but THERE IT IS!
It is NOT a trouble with Usenet: it is a benefit. Where else can you
experience the rough sides of life with no consequences you don't
permit? Really. No insult anyone types here can harm you unless you
let it. They "say" something and you let yourself be angry about it.
Who's responsible for that?
They say something complimentary to you and you feel nice. Who is
responsible for that?
They tell you they think you are a throwback to the stone age and you
just can't understand what they are getting at. Who is responsible for
that?
There is no anonymity here. You are what you type.
There is no "You made me do it" here; you feel what you let yourself
feel, do what you let yourself do.
True, some folks' morals, ethics, manners leave a lot to be desired.
So? You will not change them by giving back in the same (or a more
"physical") vein. They'll only change if they let themselves.
I had a client whose central reason for being was that gOD had taken
him to heaven and placed responsibility for the behavior of mankind in
the palm of his (client's) hand, then returned him to earth without
adding to his repertoire of powers or tools. You can imagine how bad
he felt, every day. He went to bed knowing he'd failed, and got up
knowing it could only be worse.
You may be the right hand of gOD, but don't put yourself in the same
"scenario". There is no useful payoff there.
--
Frank ess
"We become just by the practice of just actions,
self-controlled by exercising self-control,
and courageous by performing acts of courage."
--Aristotle
Colin_D
October last, to Bret (coincidentally):
">> Better than being an Canon whore equipment junkie who can't take a
>> decent photograph. And I'll post anywhere I want, asshole. You don't
>> make the rules."
So you are in the same category as Kewpie and other snipers.
And how you find my posts is of no interest to me. You don't have to
read them - but clearly they touch a nerve somewhere.
Joseph Kewfi
Why not? to me the term 'redneck' means a loud ignorant person of low
enlightenment or education, there are rednecks in every country.
Yankee means American, so - redneck Yankee means loud ignorant American, or
what does redneck mean from the Canadian perspective?
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>> But you can't be a "redneck" and "yankee" at the same time.
>
> Why not? to me the term 'redneck' means a loud ignorant person of low
> enlightenment or education, there are rednecks in every country.
> Yankee means American, so - redneck Yankee means loud ignorant American, or
> what does redneck mean from the Canadian perspective?
The temptation to say 'Loud ignorant American' is almost overwhelming...
almost..
The origins of the word are believed to have referred to working class
people who had their necks deeply browned by the sun. These mainly rural
types were of limited education and had a very narrow view of the world
and it's peoples, along with a stubborn and steadfast refusal to accept
any new ideas. An inbred Xenophobia, if you will.
Archie Bunker was a redneck.
As an interesting aside, my spell checker tries to correct the name
'Kewfi' to 'viewfinder'..what are the odds?
mike
Floyd L. Davidson
>Joseph Kewfi wrote:
>>> But you can't be a "redneck" and "yankee" at the same time.
>> Why not? to me the term 'redneck' means a loud ignorant person
>> of low enlightenment or education, there are rednecks in every
>> country.
>> Yankee means American, so - redneck Yankee means loud ignorant
>> American, or what does redneck mean from the Canadian
>> perspective?
>
>The temptation to say 'Loud ignorant American' is almost overwhelming...
>almost..
>
>The origins of the word are believed to have referred to working
>class people who had their necks deeply browned by the
>sun. These mainly rural types were of limited education and had
>a very narrow view of the world and it's peoples, along with a
>stubborn and steadfast refusal to accept any new ideas. An
>inbred Xenophobia, if you will.
>
>Archie Bunker was a redneck.
Indeed. But note what Archie Bunker is: a poor White person in
the South (i.e., south of the Mason-Dixon Line in the US).
Which *is* the definition of "redneck".
It does happen that such people tended to be less educated and
with odd narrow minded views. Hence the connotation indicating
the particular biases of a poor Southerner: the reference is
always to a Southerner as the point of comparison.
Yankee typically means a White person from New England, though
any place not in the South is acceptable too.
Note that typically a person from the Western US would not be
called a "Yankee", except perhaps to exaggerate a comparison
with a New Englander (e.g., to emphasize a non-Southern nature).
It is only slightly negative to refer to a Westerner as a
Yankee, but can be highly offensive to a Southerner. Likewise,
calling anyone outside of the south a "redneck" is doubly
insulting as it includes a depreciation of the regional
difference too.
Of course, all of that is true in the vernacular of American
English. Canadians and Irish don't speak it, and hence have
entirely distinct meanings for such slang because their meanings
are based on total misunderstandings of American slang.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
Joseph Kewfi
> English. Canadians and Irish don't speak it, and hence have
> entirely distinct meanings for such slang because their meanings
> are based on total misunderstandings of American slang.
I didn't realise the terms were parochial in nature, distinct to specific
parts of the US. Thanks for the history lesson.
Yankee, for non-Americans simply means any American at all. Redneck simply
means dumbass or racist, and could be used for anyone that fits the
criteria.
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