Tripod recommendations
whisky-dave
3 legs
and the heavy and more difficult to move they are the better they'll keep
the camera steady.
So I wasn;t much help :-)
This tripod will mostly be used with a meduim format film camera probably
for
long expossures in the region of seconds for some college project.
It will need to be resonably portable for her to carry and she'll be using
public
transport mostly. Price range, well got to be under �100 probably nearer
�50.
I suggested she hired one when needed, but she didn;t seem interested.
Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
cheers
Floyd L. Davidson
A tripod that costs �50 is quite useful. For holding
lights, backgrounds, or whatever. Don't put your camera
on one though...
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
SMS
> Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
> cheers
I'd look for a used Manfrotto 3001 or 3021 on craigslist.org (easy to
find on the craigslist in my area as people go to lighter weigh tripods).
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember "whisky-dave"
<whisk...@final.front.ear> saying something like:
>
>It will need to be resonably portable for her to carry and she'll be using
>public
>transport mostly. Price range, well got to be under �100 probably nearer
>�50.
>I suggested she hired one when needed, but she didn;t seem interested.
>
>Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
Cheapy tripods from www.7dayshop.com aren't bad for the money,
especially if it's for short term use and she'd not be bothered if it
got stolen or damaged.
Grimly Curmudgeon
Davidson) saying something like:
>A tripod that costs �50 is quite useful. For holding
>lights, backgrounds, or whatever. Don't put your camera
>on one though...
Shite.
ray
Assuming it has a hook underneath, a bag of rocks suspended underneath
will do wonders for stability.
J. Clarke
She should be making the rounds of the camera shops that sell used
equipment. Good tripods generally don't wear out, but you're not going to
get a good one new for 50 quid.
SMS
Many of the cheap tripods for video cameras can support a lot of weight,
15 pounds or so. The type of head is not optimal (pan/tilt) but it would
work.
I.e. the Velbon CX-690.
These will have leg braces, and the legs won't be independently
adjustable, and you won't be able to get really low or mount the camera
underneath.
As someone else mentioned, weighting it down with some rocks or sandbags
helps stability.
Dymphna
If there is going to be a smooth non-porous surface around, check out
ours. You can use it on the side a vehicle or glass or a counter. They
are small and steady. If you go to my signature line you can see them.
They have even been used on a helicopter and the bottom of a blade
runner. When Yellowstone National Park burned, the photographer used it
on the outside of a plane.
--
Dymphna
Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com
Chris Malcolm
> A friend has asked me if I know anything about tripods, so I said they have
> 3 legs
> and the heavy and more difficult to move they are the better they'll keep
> the camera steady.
> So I wasn;t much help :-)
> This tripod will mostly be used with a meduim format film camera probably
> for
> long expossures in the region of seconds for some college project.
> It will need to be resonably portable for her to carry and she'll be using
> public
> transport mostly. Price range, well got to be under #100 probably nearer
> #50.
> I suggested she hired one when needed, but she didn;t seem interested.
> Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
> cheers
It matters a lot whether the tripod will be used indoors or
outdoors. It matters a lot what size of output images she
requires. The longest focal length of the lens she will use is
important. It matters a lot how high the camera will have to be.
College project eh? Is she going to have to write up how she solved
the tripod problem? "I got a friend to ask questions on the internet
for me." That'll get good marks :-)
--
Chris Malcolm
Stormin Mormon
when they reach for your camera?
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Stormin Mormon
Big bag of rocks hanging under a couple legs. With a long
lens extending from the top of the legs. Somehow, that's a
mental image that I wish I hadn't had. What's the polite
word for scrotum?
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Frank ess
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Bag of photographic hints books?
>
> Big bag of rocks hanging under a couple legs. With a long
> lens extending from the top of the legs. Somehow, that's a
> mental image that I wish I hadn't had. What's the polite
> word for scrotum?
Mormon vault?
J. Clarke
> Bag of photographic hints books?
>
> Big bag of rocks hanging under a couple legs. With a long
> lens extending from the top of the legs. Somehow, that's a
> mental image that I wish I hadn't had. What's the polite
> word for scrotum?
Generally the latin word is polite. On a prime-time CBS comedy, the
expression "nut sack" is used, so presumably that gets past the network
censors.
ray
> Bag of photographic hints books?
>
> Big bag of rocks hanging under a couple legs. With a long lens extending
> from the top of the legs. Somehow, that's a mental image that I wish I
> hadn't had. What's the polite word for scrotum?
Could have expected same from a Mormon Idiot - but then I forget the two
words mean about the same thing.
edi...@netpath.net
> It will need to be resonably portable for her to carry and she'll be using
> public
> transport mostly. Price range, well got to be under £100 probably nearer
> £50.
> I suggested she hired one when needed, but she didn;t seem interested.
Promaster. Slide-locking legs, lightweight - and about $35 in
America.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
J. Clarke
> On May 7, 8:56 am, "whisky-dave" <whisky-d...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>> It will need to be resonably portable for her to carry and she'll be
>> using public
>> transport mostly. Price range, well got to be under �100 probably
>> nearer �50.
>> I suggested she hired one when needed, but she didn;t seem
>> interested.
>
> Promaster. Slide-locking legs, lightweight - and about $35 in
> America.
Will it hold a medium format steady?
Alan Hoyle
> On May 7, 8:56??am, "whisky-dave" <whisky-d...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>> It will need to be resonably portable for her to carry and she'll be using
>> public
>> ??50.
>> I suggested she hired one when needed, but she didn;t seem interested.
> Promaster. Slide-locking legs, lightweight - and about $35 in
> America.
What about a Tiltall? They seem like they might be tough enough and
inexpensive enough for this.
http://www.adorama.com/TPTL.html
-a
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Alan Hoyle - al...@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
whisky-dave
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bag of photographic hints books?
>
> Big bag of rocks hanging under a couple legs. With a long
> lens extending from the top of the legs. Somehow, that's a
> mental image that I wish I hadn't had. What's the polite
> word for scrotum?
>
Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.
tony cooper
I don't see how that question can be answered accurately. Whether or
not any tripod will hold a camera steady depends entirely on the
external factors. I have an old tripod that I picked up at a garage
sale for $5. It has a label that says it's a K-Mart "Focal". You
people would sneer at it, but I rarely use a tripod.
With the legs fully extended (62"), it's a bit wobbly if you touch the
camera, but I can't remember ever extending the thinnest legs. It
doesn't collapse under the weight of the camera. I use it for some
table-top photography and usually set the camera to shutter delay and
stand back. Manually pressing the shutter can move the camera, but
the shutter tripping doesn't cause blur.
There's no still camera heavy enough to collapse my tripod. There are
external conditions and shooting conditions which my tripod would not
be sufficient, though.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
whisky-dave
"Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>> Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
>> cheers
>
> It matters a lot whether the tripod will be used indoors or
> outdoors.
First off it will be in a disused warehouse/factory, broken windows etc..
> It matters a lot what size of output images she
> requires.
Mostly monochrome large enough to present so at least 10X8 hopefully larger.
> The longest focal length of the lens she will use is
> important. It matters a lot how high the camera will have to be.
Well not high or low, just 'standard' shooting height more likely to be
waist
height to head height .
Standard to wide angle lens I think.
> College project eh? Is she going to have to write up how she solved
> the tripod problem? "I got a friend to ask questions on the internet
> for me." That'll get good marks :-)
No, I can suss those sorts out.
TBH I'm not quite sure what she's up to, she's very arty.
her last attmept was in a disused basement at night.
She set up the 5X4, put it on B, then went around the room firing off a
flash gun (small) manually hoping to get something, but nothing,
I think the flash was too small and film speed to low, or she didn't;
set something up right.
At her next location, an old radiator was in her way so she moved it,
trouble was it was heavy cast iron and fell over trapping her hand,
she had to go to hospital and get her hand bandaged so that ended that
shoot.
Part of her study I think is to compare digital with film for low light work
and whether reciprocity failure can be overcome using multiple exposures
on a digital camera[1] rather than one single long exposure on film.
Although I get the impression that the course organises just want something
done
that she can write about to contribute to her Msc[2].
I remember a photo shoot she did where I was the model, with others, she
spent ages
getting us to pose as she was doing a photgraphic story board to import in
to director
for her college mulit-media project. Next day she found out there wasn;t any
film
in the camera, it sounds like a joke but it happened.
But she did insist that she DID NOT forget to put film in the camera, it's
just that when she
came to use the camera there wasn;t any film in it, and that's different she
assured me. ;-0
[1] No idea myself how she can do that practically.
[2] Lecturer seems to say, well you think X or Y is the problem/solution
then prove it.
Chris Malcolm
> "Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:76gobhF...@mid.individual.net...
>> whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>>> Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
>>> cheers
>>
>> It matters a lot whether the tripod will be used indoors or
>> outdoors.
> First off it will be in a disused warehouse/factory, broken windows etc..
If there's no wind you can wait while a flimsy tripod settles down
and stops quivering.
>> It matters a lot what size of output images she
>> requires.
> Mostly monochrome large enough to present so at least 10X8 hopefully larger.
"Hopefully larger" could possibly require the extra resolution of
medium format :-)
>> The longest focal length of the lens she will use is
>> important. It matters a lot how high the camera will have to be.
> Well not high or low, just 'standard' shooting height more likely to be
> waist
> height to head height .
> Standard to wide angle lens I think.
So far this doesn't sound very demanding of tripod stability,
providing she's capable of the technique required to get stability out
of a flimsy tripod.
>> College project eh? Is she going to have to write up how she solved
>> the tripod problem? "I got a friend to ask questions on the internet
>> for me." That'll get good marks :-)
> No, I can suss those sorts out.
> TBH I'm not quite sure what she's up to, she's very arty.
> her last attmept was in a disused basement at night.
> She set up the 5X4, put it on B, then went around the room firing off a
> flash gun (small) manually hoping to get something, but nothing,
> I think the flash was too small and film speed to low, or she didn't;
> set something up right.
> At her next location, an old radiator was in her way so she moved it,
> trouble was it was heavy cast iron and fell over trapping her hand,
> she had to go to hospital and get her hand bandaged so that ended that
> shoot.
> Part of her study I think is to compare digital with film for low light work
> and whether reciprocity failure can be overcome using multiple exposures
> on a digital camera[1] rather than one single long exposure on film.
Reciprocity failure doesn't apply to digital images, and in terms of
film is simply overcome by the use of the appropriate time and filter
functions which all suppliers of high quality film provide. Obviously
you don't know the specific terms of the project, but it sounds as
though there could easly be plenty of room for it to be partly
baked :-)
> Although I get the impression that the course organises just want something
> done
> that she can write about to contribute to her Msc[2].
Demonstrate that she's capable of learning and problem solving on her
own in a novel technical field, and it doesn't really matter that the
problems have been solved by others, because it will take her quite a
of research to discover that, and quite a bit of intelligence if she
does discover it to verify it in practice.
> I remember a photo shoot she did where I was the model, with others, she
> spent ages
> getting us to pose as she was doing a photgraphic story board to import in
> to director
> for her college mulit-media project. Next day she found out there wasn;t any
> film
> in the camera, it sounds like a joke but it happened.
> But she did insist that she DID NOT forget to put film in the camera, it's
> just that when she
> came to use the camera there wasn;t any film in it, and that's different she
> assured me. ;-0
> [1] No idea myself how she can do that practically.
> [2] Lecturer seems to say, well you think X or Y is the problem/solution
> then prove it.
It doesn't sound like a particularly demanding project, which from the
sound of things is probably just as well. I'm pleased to hear there are
colleges so devoted to the cause of education that they will lend a
medium format camera to that kind of student :-)
--
Chris Malcolm
Bob Larter
I hang my camera bag (with a bunch of lenses, etc) under my tripod.
That seems to work okay.
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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whisky-dave
> whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>
>> "Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>> news:76gobhF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
>>>> cheers
>>>
>>> It matters a lot whether the tripod will be used indoors or
>>> outdoors.
>
>> First off it will be in a disused warehouse/factory, broken windows etc..
>
> If there's no wind you can wait while a flimsy tripod settles down
> and stops quivering.
True, but as she hasn't a tripod, why buy a flimsy one, I have one like that
she could borrow, her boyfriend offered to buy her one, but I don;t think
he has any idea what she wants/needs.
>
>>> It matters a lot what size of output images she
>>> requires.
>
>> Mostly monochrome large enough to present so at least 10X8 hopefully
>> larger.
>
> "Hopefully larger" could possibly require the extra resolution of
> medium format :-)
She likes old cameras style wise, there was a Hasslblad 500 or something on
ebay
that she was tempted by.
>>> The longest focal length of the lens she will use is
>>> important. It matters a lot how high the camera will have to be.
>
>> Well not high or low, just 'standard' shooting height more likely to be
>> waist
>> height to head height .
>> Standard to wide angle lens I think.
>
> So far this doesn't sound very demanding of tripod stability,
> providing she's capable of the technique required to get stability out
> of a flimsy tripod.
That's what I was thinking but I've no idea how to evaluate a tripod,
in comparison cameras are easy. ;-)
>>> College project eh? Is she going to have to write up how she solved
>>> the tripod problem? "I got a friend to ask questions on the internet
>>> for me." That'll get good marks :-)
>
>> No, I can suss those sorts out.
>> TBH I'm not quite sure what she's up to, she's very arty.
>> her last attmept was in a disused basement at night.
>> She set up the 5X4, put it on B, then went around the room firing off a
>> flash gun (small) manually hoping to get something, but nothing,
>> I think the flash was too small and film speed to low, or she didn't;
>> set something up right.
>> At her next location, an old radiator was in her way so she moved it,
>> trouble was it was heavy cast iron and fell over trapping her hand,
>> she had to go to hospital and get her hand bandaged so that ended that
>> shoot.
>> Part of her study I think is to compare digital with film for low light
>> work
>> and whether reciprocity failure can be overcome using multiple exposures
>> on a digital camera[1] rather than one single long exposure on film.
>
> Reciprocity failure doesn't apply to digital images,
Well that's partly the point but does it make digital better for long
exposure photography is the question she needs to investigate.
>and in terms of
> film is simply overcome by the use of the appropriate time and filter
> functions which all suppliers of high quality film provide. Obviously
> you don't know the specific terms of the project, but it sounds as
> though there could easly be plenty of room for it to be partly
> baked :-)
True, but I think it's a training technique rather than finding the answer.
it is a college project after all.
But I.m curious to know the limits of digital sensors and how they'd
compare in very low light.
i.e if a picture required an expossure of 1/10th at f4 would 100 exposures
of
1/1000th at f4 give the same results.
>> Although I get the impression that the course organises just want
>> something
>> done
>> that she can write about to contribute to her Msc[2].
>
> Demonstrate that she's capable of learning and problem solving on her
> own in a novel technical field, and it doesn't really matter that the
> problems have been solved by others, because it will take her quite a
> of research to discover that, and quite a bit of intelligence if she
> does discover it to verify it in practice.
Probably, even though her course is primarily to do with illustrations
rather
than photography as she's done the photography course part.
She works teaching basic Photoshop in some sort of rehab centre for the
homeless
and ex alchol and drug users.
> It doesn't sound like a particularly demanding project, which from the
> sound of things is probably just as well. I'm pleased to hear there are
> colleges so devoted to the cause of education that they will lend a
> medium format camera to that kind of student :-)
well colleges have to make a living and if tehy can't get studetns to waste
their
time paying the course fees then there's a lot of academic
photographers/designers
and artists out of work.
Chris Malcolm
> "Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:76j1o4F...@mid.individual.net...
>> whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>>
>>> "Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:76gobhF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Anyone have any thoughts or links that might be useful to her.
>>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> It matters a lot whether the tripod will be used indoors or
>>>> outdoors.
>>
>>> First off it will be in a disused warehouse/factory, broken windows etc..
>>
>> If there's no wind you can wait while a flimsy tripod settles down
>> and stops quivering.
> True, but as she hasn't a tripod, why buy a flimsy one,
Because your suggested budget wasn't enough for a sturdy one :-)
> I have one like that
> she could borrow, her boyfriend offered to buy her one, but I don;t think
> he has any idea what she wants/needs.
Doesn't appear that she has either.
>>>> College project eh? Is she going to have to write up how she solved
>>>> the tripod problem? "I got a friend to ask questions on the internet
>>>> for me." That'll get good marks :-)
>>
>>> No, I can suss those sorts out.
>>> TBH I'm not quite sure what she's up to, she's very arty.
>>> her last attmept was in a disused basement at night.
>>> She set up the 5X4, put it on B, then went around the room firing off a
>>> flash gun (small) manually hoping to get something, but nothing,
>>> I think the flash was too small and film speed to low, or she didn't;
>>> set something up right.
>>> At her next location, an old radiator was in her way so she moved it,
>>> trouble was it was heavy cast iron and fell over trapping her hand,
>>> she had to go to hospital and get her hand bandaged so that ended that
>>> shoot.
>>> Part of her study I think is to compare digital with film for low light
>>> work
>>> and whether reciprocity failure can be overcome using multiple exposures
>>> on a digital camera[1] rather than one single long exposure on film.
>>
>> Reciprocity failure doesn't apply to digital images,
> Well that's partly the point but does it make digital better for long
> exposure photography is the question she needs to investigate.
The answer depends a little on sensor technology, CCD vs CMOS.
>> and in terms of
>> film is simply overcome by the use of the appropriate time and filter
>> functions which all suppliers of high quality film provide. Obviously
>> you don't know the specific terms of the project, but it sounds as
>> though there could easly be plenty of room for it to be partly
>> baked :-)
> True, but I think it's a training technique rather than finding the answer.
> it is a college project after all.
> But I.m curious to know the limits of digital sensors and how they'd
> compare in very low light.
> i.e if a picture required an expossure of 1/10th at f4 would 100 exposures
> of
> 1/1000th at f4 give the same results.
Would it be considered cheating to look up the detailed published
results of the people who've researched this question?
>>> Although I get the impression that the course organises just want
>>> something
>>> done
>>> that she can write about to contribute to her Msc[2].
>>
>> Demonstrate that she's capable of learning and problem solving on her
>> own in a novel technical field, and it doesn't really matter that the
>> problems have been solved by others, because it will take her quite a
>> of research to discover that, and quite a bit of intelligence if she
>> does discover it to verify it in practice.
> Probably, even though her course is primarily to do with illustrations
> rather
> than photography as she's done the photography course part.
> She works teaching basic Photoshop in some sort of rehab centre for the
> homeless
> and ex alchol and drug users.
I think I'm going to have to sit on my hands there and make no comment
:-)
--
Chris Malcolm
Grimly Curmudgeon
>>> This tripod will mostly be used with a meduim format film camera
>>> probably for
>>> long expossures in the region of seconds for some college project.
Big difference between a Medium Format and a 10x8 that you mention
later, ffs.
whisky-dave
"Grimly Curmudgeon" <grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
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10X8 refers to the print outs rather than the film/negative format.