OT: Obama's Birth Certificate
Evad Remlu
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
And answer a very simple question.
ER
HEMI-Powered
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> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if there was
even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious criteria to
hold Federal office?
--
HP, aka Jerry
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained
by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor
George Kerby
On 11/24/08 8:51 AM, in article Xns9B60643A69...@198.186.190.61,
"That80sGuy" <cl...@griswold.com> wrote:
> In message news:Xns9B605DEDFC3...@216.168.3.30, "HEMI-Powered"
> <no...@none.sn> done wrote:
>
>> Totally assinine!
>
> What's "asinine"? Misspelling "asinine"? I agree.
"Feline w/ 9 tails"?
B?wser
"Evad Remlu" <mrmsat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ggecaq$kce$1...@news.motzarella.org...
> Its time to see the proof:
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>
>
> And answer a very simple question.
I would have thought that this stupidity would stop by now:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Also, if any organization on the planet could have proven that Obama was not
a US citizen, it's the Republican National Committee. They didn't, and it
was never an issue during the campaign. Hmm....
Conclusion: anyone who believes that rumor is, well, either incredibly
stupid or just trolling. I vote for stupid here.
John McWilliams
I vote trolling, and he's caught about eight of us so far. "Dave Ulmer".
////
IAE, it's clear Obama was in on the Republican plot to destroy the
WTC.......
--
lsmft
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious
>> criteria to hold Federal office?
>
> Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL
> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A
> YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to see
> her? Puh-leeze.
>
> http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawaii-
> lawsuit- r868547.htm
>
He is neither going to see his white mother or his white
grandmother until he meets his Maker, they're both dead. Do you
really think either the DNC or the RNC would have let this slide if
he really weren't a natural born citizen? In Obama's first foray
into politics, he managed to knock off all three primary opponents
on election eligibility and candidacy petion signatures, so why
would neither Hillary or the Republicans have just summarily dumped
his ass 2 years ago?
HEMI-Powered
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> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
there needs to be something to debunk the horseshit on snopes.com,
but in this case, it may be right - there is NO doubt as to Obama's
pedigree. LOTS of doubt about his pals and his judgment, but not
his citizenship.
> Also, if any organization on the planet could have proven that
> Obama was not a US citizen, it's the Republican National
> Committee. They didn't, and it was never an issue during the
> campaign. Hmm....
Yepper. Hillary might've used it as well.
> Conclusion: anyone who believes that rumor is, well, either
> incredibly stupid or just trolling. I vote for stupid here.
>
Agreed. Just like them who quote snopes.com are little more than
feckless dunderheads.
HEMI-Powered
du jour ...
>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81
>>> 550
>> I would have thought that this stupidity would stop by now:
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
>>
>> Also, if any organization on the planet could have proven
>> that Obama was not a US citizen, it's the Republican National
>> Committee. They didn't, and it was never an issue during the
>> campaign. Hmm....
>>
>> Conclusion: anyone who believes that rumor is, well, either
>> incredibly stupid or just trolling. I vote for stupid here.
>
> I vote trolling, and he's caught about eight of us so far.
> "Dave Ulmer". ////
>
> IAE, it's clear Obama was in on the Republican plot to destroy
> the WTC.......
>
bullshit. No one being "trolled" is that dumb. What they are doing
is trying to stamp out flapdoodle bilge like this so that the less
intelligent are not unnecessarily distracted.
thepixelfreak
Yawn... I LOVE the smell of DESPERATION in the morning.
--
thepixelfreak
George Kerby
On 11/24/08 12:06 PM, in article 2008112410060175249-not@dotcom,
"thepixelfreak" <n...@dot.com> wrote:
Who the hell do you sleep with?!?
Chris H
<no...@none.sn> writes
>Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>...
>
>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>
>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Panama ain't the USA? It's Panama
--
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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Chris H
<cl...@griswold.com> writes
>> even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious criteria to
>> hold Federal office?
>
>to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A YEAR AND A HALF. Do you
>really think he went to Hawaii to see her? Puh-leeze.
Wasn't he somewhat busy for the last year and a half?
Chris H
<i...@bowzah.ukme> writes
>
>"Evad Remlu" <mrmsat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ggecaq$kce$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>> Its time to see the proof:
>>
>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>
>>
>> And answer a very simple question.
>
>I would have thought that this stupidity would stop by now:
>
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
>
>Also, if any organization on the planet could have proven that Obama
>was not a US citizen, it's the Republican National Committee. They
>didn't, and it was never an issue during the campaign. Hmm....
More to the point the current President is a Republican and I am sure
could have got the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA etc to check the details if it
would have given the Republicans an advantage.
The fact that there are so many slightly different rumours suggest it is
a seeded dirty tricks campaign at the grass roots level.
There is of course the counter campaign that as McCain was born in
Panama he is not American either.... :-)
>Conclusion: anyone who believes that rumor is, well, either incredibly
>stupid or just trolling. I vote for stupid here.
I agree.
Bruce W. Ellis
wrote:
>In message <Xns9B605DEDFC3...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
><no...@none.sn> writes
>>Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>...
>>
>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>
>>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>>exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>>John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>
>Panama ain't the USA? It's Panama
At the time McCain was born, the canal and the Canal Zone were US
territory. It reverted to Panama during the Carter presidency. There
were large military operations in the CZ. McCain's father was a
Admiral in the US navy.
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
>> That80sGuy added these comments in the current discussion du
>> jour ...
>>
>>>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>>>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other
>>>> obvious criteria to hold Federal office?
>>>
>>> Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL
>>> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in
>>> A YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to
>>> see her? Puh-leeze.
>>>
>>> http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawai
>>> i- lawsuit- r868547.htm
>>>
>> He is neither going to see his white mother or his white
>> grandmother until he meets his Maker, they're both dead.
>
> Apparently you don't understand simple English grammar. His
> grandmother was ALIVE when the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii.
> He visited Hawaii to respond to the suit. Grandmama was just
> a diversionary photo-op.
I parlez vous Anglais just fine, but you obviously don't. There
is NO lawsuit except in your mind. Do you really think both
Hillary and the entire RNC would actually let Obama even run for
president without a fast-track Supreme Court decision? If you do,
you are definitely a ninnyhammer!
>> Do you
>> really think either the DNC or the RNC would have let this
>> slide if he really weren't a natural born citizen?
>
> Yes. Next question.
>
>> In Obama's first foray
>> into politics, he managed to knock off all three primary
>> opponents on election eligibility and candidacy petion
>> signatures, so why would neither Hillary or the Republicans
>> have just summarily dumped his ass 2 years ago?
>
> The Republicans ran Alan Keyes against him.
>
Nobody has ever heard of him and nobody gives a Flying Fuck about
the Independent Party any more than they do Ralph Nader's
Greenies or Bob Barr and his Libertarian Loons.
--
HP, aka Jerry
"Congress seems to think because they drive cars they know
something about the automobile industry" - Detroit News pundit
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
>>> Its time to see the proof:
>>>
>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81
>>> 550
>>>
>>> And answer a very simple question.
>>
>> Yawn... I LOVE the smell of DESPERATION in the morning.
>
> Desperation, as in hiring Clinton and all of Clinton's hacks
> because you have no ideas of your own?
>
Yep, this is definitely "change we can believe in"!
HEMI-Powered
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>>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am
>>not exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So
>>did John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>
> Panama ain't the USA? It's Panama
>
You DOLT! I said the Panama Canal Zone, which WAS an American
territory when McCain was born 72 years ago.
HEMI-Powered
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>>reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A
>>YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to see
>>her? Puh-leeze.
>
> Wasn't he somewhat busy for the last year and a half?
Yeah, he was simultaneously busy patronizing his WHITE grandmother
and in running away from her so he could look more black.
tony cooper
wrote:
>In message <Xns9B605DEDFC3...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
><no...@none.sn> writes
>>Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>...
>>
>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>
>>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>>exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>>John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>
>Panama ain't the USA? It's Panama
The Panama Canal Zone is an area in the country of Panama. From 1903
to 1979 it was a U.S. Territory. In 1953, legislation was passed that
granted U.S. citizenship to anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone of at
least one parent who is a U.S. citizen. Under Title 8 of the U.S.
Code, McCain qualifies as a citizen and would be eligible to serve as
President.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Ron Hunter
have been born before 1953, so maybe HE isn't a natural born US citizen!
Inquiring minds want to know.
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
>> The Panama Canal Zone is an area in the country of Panama.
>> From 1903 to 1979 it was a U.S. Territory. In 1953,
>> legislation was passed that granted U.S. citizenship to
>> anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone of at least one parent
>> who is a U.S. citizen. Under Title 8 of the U.S. Code,
>> McCain qualifies as a citizen and would be eligible to serve
>> as President.
>>
> Strange. I was born in 1942, and McCain is older than me, so
> he MUST have been born before 1953, so maybe HE isn't a
> natural born US citizen! Inquiring minds want to know.
>
Gee, are you confused by facts, or what?
Charles
wrote:
>Ron Hunter added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>>> The Panama Canal Zone is an area in the country of Panama.
>>> From 1903 to 1979 it was a U.S. Territory. In 1953,
>>> legislation was passed that granted U.S. citizenship to
>>> anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone of at least one parent
>>> who is a U.S. citizen. Under Title 8 of the U.S. Code,
>>> McCain qualifies as a citizen and would be eligible to serve
>>> as President.
>>>
>> Strange. I was born in 1942, and McCain is older than me, so
>> he MUST have been born before 1953, so maybe HE isn't a
>> natural born US citizen! Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>Gee, are you confused by facts, or what?
This is the internet, we don't need no stinkin' facts.
SMS
> Its time to see the proof:
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>
>
> And answer a very simple question.
>
Yes, I think you need to make it your life's work to worry about this.
Keep investigating until at least January 20th, 2017. If Worldnet Daily
says this then it must be true, and it demands your total attention.
John McWilliams
> John McWilliams added these comments in the current discussion
> du jour ...
>>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81
>>>> 550
>>> I would have thought that this stupidity would stop by now:
>>>
>>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
>>>
>>> Also, if any organization on the planet could have proven
>>> that Obama was not a US citizen, it's the Republican National
>>> Committee. They didn't, and it was never an issue during the
>>> campaign. Hmm....
>>>
>>> Conclusion: anyone who believes that rumor is, well, either
>>> incredibly stupid or just trolling. I vote for stupid here.
>> I vote trolling, and he's caught about eight of us so far.
>> "Dave Ulmer". ////
>>
>> IAE, it's clear Obama was in on the Republican plot to destroy
>> the WTC.......
>>
> No matter what one's politics, truth is truth and bullshit is
> bullshit. No one being "trolled" is that dumb. What they are doing
> is trying to stamp out flapdoodle bilge like this so that the less
> intelligent are not unnecessarily distracted.
But that doesn't rule out trolling, does it?
--
john mcwilliams
Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in
the country.
-- Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, D.C.
Atheist Chaplain
news:Xns9B60AC1AC7E...@216.168.3.30...
yep desperation in believing that Obama is just paying off favours, when the
truth may be that he is hiring people who actually know how the hill works
so he can get his mandate to change off the ground, instead of it being a
lame duck because he hires newbie's who would get eaten alive trying to
waltz around congress and get things done.
that's OK, just keep believing that, the Semi regional Republican party may
just get totally blind sided, hell its not like anyone in it is actually
watching what's happening, rather they are all trying to blame everything
but the bleeding obvious for their loss. :-)
--
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg
Roy G
"B?wser" <i...@bowzah.ukme> wrote in message
news:cBzWk.140$X6....@bos-service2b.ext.ray.com...
Never mind where he was born, has no-one noticed that he is black.
Roy G
tony cooper
wrote:
>That80sGuy added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>>> That80sGuy added these comments in the current discussion du
>>> jour ...
>>>
>>>>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>>>>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other
>>>>> obvious criteria to hold Federal office?
>>>>
>>>> Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL
>>>> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in
>>>> A YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to
>>>> see her? Puh-leeze.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawai
>>>> i- lawsuit- r868547.htm
>>>>
>>> He is neither going to see his white mother or his white
>>> grandmother until he meets his Maker, they're both dead.
>>
>> Apparently you don't understand simple English grammar. His
>> grandmother was ALIVE when the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii.
>> He visited Hawaii to respond to the suit. Grandmama was just
>> a diversionary photo-op.
>
>I parlez vous Anglais just fine, but you obviously don't. There
>is NO lawsuit except in your mind. Do you really think both
>Hillary and the entire RNC would actually let Obama even run for
>president without a fast-track Supreme Court decision? If you do,
>you are definitely a ninnyhammer!
You have an excellent track record, Jerry. You've never been right.
Philip Berg, a Philadelphia attorney, filed a suit seeking an
injunction in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania court. Judge R.
Barclay Surrick dismissed the suit. A suit was also filed in Hawaii,
but against the State of Hawaii and not Obama. The suit was to force
the state to release a copy of Obama's birth certificate. That suit
was also dismissed.
There was also a suit filed against McCain - Hollander vs McCain -
challenging his eligibility based on his birth in the Panama Canal
Zone. It was dismissed.
Between you and That80sGuy, you couldn't successfully call a coin toss
if you each picked a different side.
tony cooper
wrote:
The legislation merely clarified the status of people born in the
Panama Canal Zone.
Ray Fischer
>In message news:Xns9B605DEDFC3...@216.168.3.30, "HEMI-Powered"
><no...@none.sn> done wrote:
>
>> even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious criteria to
>> hold Federal office?
>
>Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL reason he went
>to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A YEAR AND A HALF. Do you
>really think he went to Hawaii to see her? Puh-leeze.
You think that everybody is a liar or a crook because you believe that
everybody is a liar or a crook. Including yourself.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Chris H
<no...@none.sn> writes
>Ron Hunter added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>>> The Panama Canal Zone is an area in the country of Panama.
>>> From 1903 to 1979 it was a U.S. Territory. In 1953,
>>> legislation was passed that granted U.S. citizenship to
>>> anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone of at least one parent
>>> who is a U.S. citizen. Under Title 8 of the U.S. Code,
>>> McCain qualifies as a citizen and would be eligible to serve
>>> as President.
>>>
>> Strange. I was born in 1942, and McCain is older than me, so
>> he MUST have been born before 1953, so maybe HE isn't a
>> natural born US citizen! Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>Gee, are you confused by facts, or what?
I can see the point. If the legislation came in to effect in 1953 ant
Mcain was born in 30's or 40's did the law apply to him or just to
people born after 1953.
I would assume that it applied to anyone born in the canal zone after
1903 to at least one US citizen.
Chris H
<rphu...@charter.net> writes
You would have thought that if any US presidential candidate had any
problems in this area the other side would have uncovered it before the
end of the primaries. They would not have waited until after the vote.
Ron Hunter
> In message <Xns9B60AEE1C5D...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
> <no...@none.sn> writes
>> Ron Hunter added these comments in the current discussion du
>> jour ...
>>
>>>> The Panama Canal Zone is an area in the country of Panama.
>>>> From 1903 to 1979 it was a U.S. Territory. In 1953,
>>>> legislation was passed that granted U.S. citizenship to
>>>> anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone of at least one parent
>>>> who is a U.S. citizen. Under Title 8 of the U.S. Code,
>>>> McCain qualifies as a citizen and would be eligible to serve
>>>> as President.
>>>>
>>> Strange. I was born in 1942, and McCain is older than me, so
>>> he MUST have been born before 1953, so maybe HE isn't a
>>> natural born US citizen! Inquiring minds want to know.
>>>
>> Gee, are you confused by facts, or what?
>
> I can see the point. If the legislation came in to effect in 1953 ant
> Mcain was born in 30's or 40's did the law apply to him or just to
> people born after 1953.
>
> I would assume that it applied to anyone born in the canal zone after
> 1903 to at least one US citizen.
>
>
consistent with the term 'natural born citizen'. So, it seems that
McCain's birth/citizenship is more in doubt than Obama's.
Ron Hunter
seem to agree. So I guess he is, like he said, "Just a mutt." But then
aren't most Americans?
Chris H
<rphu...@charter.net> writes
Given that he fought in the US military and been a Senator for years etc
I think he has earned the right.
ASAAR
> Well, many whites seem to think he isn't 'black enough', and many blacks
> seem to agree. So I guess he is, like he said, "Just a mutt." But then
> aren't most Americans?
Good point. We're not black enough. Just ask James Whitmore.
BÔwser
> Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
> ...
>
>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>
> Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
> legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
> purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
> exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
> Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
Uh, Hawaii? A territory? Not in 1961 when he was born since it became a
state in 1959.
BÔwser
"That80sGuy" <cl...@griswold.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B6083D8B3...@198.186.190.61...
> In message news:Xns9B60753474B...@216.168.3.30, "HEMI-Powered"
> <no...@none.sn> done wrote:
>
>> That80sGuy added these comments in the current discussion du
>> jour ...
>>
>>>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>>>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious
>>>> criteria to hold Federal office?
>>>
>>> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A
>>> YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to see
>>> her? Puh-leeze.
Yes, and the fact that she died just before the election kind of proves that
he was visiting her since she was in poor health.
But, conspiracy lovers can have their say, even if it is stupid.
>>>
>>> http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawaii-
>>> lawsuit- r868547.htm
>>>
>> He is neither going to see his white mother or his white
>> grandmother until he meets his Maker, they're both dead.
>
> Apparently you don't understand simple English grammar. His grandmother
> was ALIVE when the lawsuit was filed in Hawaii. He visited Hawaii to
> respond to the suit. Grandmama was just a diversionary photo-op.
>
BÔwser
"Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:qMWM1MPk...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...>>Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>...
>>
>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>
>>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>>exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>>John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>
McCain was born on a US base, which is considered US soil wherever it is.
His citizenship is without question.
tony cooper
wrote:
>In message <Xns9B60AEE1C5D...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
><no...@none.sn> writes
>>Ron Hunter added these comments in the current discussion du
>>jour ...
>>
>>>> The Panama Canal Zone is an area in the country of Panama.
>>>> From 1903 to 1979 it was a U.S. Territory. In 1953,
>>>> legislation was passed that granted U.S. citizenship to
>>>> anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone of at least one parent
>>>> who is a U.S. citizen. Under Title 8 of the U.S. Code,
>>>> McCain qualifies as a citizen and would be eligible to serve
>>>> as President.
>>>>
>>> Strange. I was born in 1942, and McCain is older than me, so
>>> he MUST have been born before 1953, so maybe HE isn't a
>>> natural born US citizen! Inquiring minds want to know.
>>>
>>Gee, are you confused by facts, or what?
>
>I can see the point. If the legislation came in to effect in 1953 ant
>Mcain was born in 30's or 40's did the law apply to him or just to
>people born after 1953.
>
>I would assume that it applied to anyone born in the canal zone after
>1903 to at least one US citizen.
Laws, set by legislation, are sometimes passed to clarify - not change
- previous laws. We see this often when there is a constitutional law
case, and interpretation of the Constitution is made in court, and a
law is passed later that spells out the law to eliminate future court
cases.
In this case, the First Congress of the United States, on March 26,
1790, approved an act that declared, "The children of citizens of the
United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of
the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the
United States." McCain's parents were both citizens.
The only thing that was done in 1953 was to specify that the Panama
Canal Zone and other Territories were to be considered covered by the
1790 act. The original act did not specify Territories like the PCZ
since they did not exist in 1790. The courts, in 1953, ruled that the
intent was there.
Chris H
<b0w...@h0me.c0m> writes
>
>"HEMI-Powered" <no...@none.sn> wrote in message
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>> Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>> ...
>>
>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>
>> Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>> legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>> purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>> exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>> Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>> John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>
>Uh, Hawaii? A territory? Not in 1961 when he was born since it became a
>state in 1959.
Actually is that not irrelevant as a parent was a US citizen thereby
making the child a US citizen no matter where he was born?
Chris H
<b0w...@h0me.c0m> writes
Quite. I assume that born on a US base would make him a US citizen
regardless of parentage?
Chris H
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> writes
In which case McCain is a US Citizen no matter where he was born.
Would Obama be a US Citizen (no matter where he was born) if one of his
parents was a Us Citizen? Or does it require both to the US Citizens.
tony cooper
wrote:
That's one of the things the 1953 legislation covered. The 1790 act
said "citizens", but the 1953 legislation interpreted that to mean
that having one parent of US citizenship met the qualification and
"citizens" was used to mean "all Americans" or "any Americans" in the
phrase "the children of citizens". Much of law in this country, and
in yours, is the interpretation of the intent of earlier laws.
tony cooper
wrote:
>In message <492be9bf$0$28625$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com>, BÔwser
><b0w...@h0me.c0m> writes
>>
>>"Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>news:qMWM1MPk...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message <Xns9B605DEDFC3...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
>>><no...@none.sn> writes
>>>>Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>>>
>>>>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>>>>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>>>>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>>>>exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>>>>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>>>>John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>>>
>>> Panama ain't the USA? It's Panama
>>
>>McCain was born on a US base, which is considered US soil wherever it
>>is. His citizenship is without question.
>
>Quite. I assume that born on a US base would make him a US citizen
>regardless of parentage?
No. It's not the place of birth; it's the parentage. Many US bases
have foreign nationals who live and work on the base. Their children
do not gain citizenship by having been born on the base. The children
born of American citizens on that base are not excluded from
citizenship, though.
Chris H
So as long as Obama had one parent who was a US Citizen he is American
no matter where he was born.
As it happens he was born in US territory which would qualify him
anyway.
SO what is all the fuss about?
tony cooper
>In message news:492be946$0$28640$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com, BÔwser
><b0w...@h0me.c0m> done wrote:
>
>>
>> "That80sGuy" <cl...@griswold.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B6083D8B3...@198.186.190.61...
>>> In message news:Xns9B60753474B...@216.168.3.30,
>>> "HEMI-Powered" <no...@none.sn> done wrote:
>>>
>>>> That80sGuy added these comments in the current discussion du
>>>> jour ...
>>>>
>>>>>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>>>>>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious
>>>>>> criteria to hold Federal office?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL
>>>>> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A
>>>>> YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to see
>>>>> her? Puh-leeze.
>>
>> Yes, and the fact that she died just before the election kind of proves
>> that he was visiting her since she was in poor health.
>
>She had corneal transplant surgery. BHO didn't visit.
>She had hip replacement surgery. BHO didn't visit.
>She described herself as "in poor health" in March 2008.
>She lived in the same apartment where she raised BHO. He didn't visit.
>
>Until he was served with a lawsuit.
I can't find an online reference, but I don't think Obama was served
in the Hawaii lawsuit. That lawsuit was against the State of Hawaii
and the Hawaii Department of Health with Gov Linda Lingle as the
official respondent.
Since you have positively stated that Obama was served, then I assume
you can produce some cite about this. I'm waiting.
tony cooper
>In message news:5ohIMRU78$KJF...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>
>> In message <492be9bf$0$28625$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com>, BÔwser
>><b0w...@h0me.c0m> writes
>>>
>>>"Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>>news:qMWM1MPk...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In message <Xns9B605DEDFC3...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
>>>><no...@none.sn> writes
>>>>>Evad Remlu added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>>>>...
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
>>>>>
>>>>>Totally assinine! A territory of the United States or anything
>>>>>legally like one ARE considered to be "American soil" for the
>>>>>purposes of deciding on natural born citizenship. While I am not
>>>>>exctly happy with the president-elect, he DOES meet the
>>>>>Constitutional test for both native born American and age. So did
>>>>>John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
>>>>
>>>> Panama ain't the USA? It's Panama
>>>
>>>McCain was born on a US base, which is considered US soil wherever it
>>>is. His citizenship is without question.
>>
>> Quite. I assume that born on a US base would make him a US citizen
>> regardless of parentage?
>
>No. US base + military father = US "natural born" citizen.
No. "Parent", not "father" and "US citizen" not "military". If the
mother is a US citizen, and the father is not, the child is still a US
citizen. The parent need not be in the military. Military bases
employ civilian workers.
Do you ever get anything right?
Chris H
<cl...@griswold.com> writes
>In message news:po5oi4pjbojjjqbvf...@4ax.com, tony cooper
>to do your work for you.
You have made the statement now back it up. It's your work to support
your claim.
Chris H
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> writes
So I think we can conclusively say that both candidates ARE US Citizens.
Though several people have been wittering that Obama has law suite
against him on this but have not been able to back this up with any
evidence.
tony cooper
wrote:
>So as long as Obama had one parent who was a US Citizen he is American
>no matter where he was born.
>
>As it happens he was born in US territory which would qualify him
>anyway.
>
>SO what is all the fuss about?
The "fuss" was created by the tinfoil hat brigade who claimed that
Obama was not born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii saw no reason to
publicly release an official copy of his birth certificate showing
that he was. They evidently did confirm, to the proper authorities,
that the certificate was on file but declined to release it publicly.
There is no valid reason for a state to release private information
publicly. Especially in a case where only the loonies have an
interest.
I seriously doubt if UK politics are immune from similar
controversies. If some doolalley eejit claims that Gordon Brown is
the illegitimate son of space aliens, and not qualified to be PM, some
UK tabloid will make a fuss over it and some Brits will believe it.
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
> Sounds like an unconstitutional 'ex post facto' law to me, and
> NOT consistent with the term 'natural born citizen'. So, it
> seems that McCain's birth/citizenship is more in doubt than
> Obama's.
>
Nothing unconstitutional at all, and nothing inconsistent at all.
You first need to read the Constitution and then bone up on the
many laws to implement what it says wrt citizenship. But, if McCain
isn't a citizen under your definition, then neither is Obama, is
he? So, how do you Far Left Loons resolve that problem?!
--
HP, aka Jerry
"Congress seems to think just because they drive cars, they somehow
know something about the automobile industry" - Detroit News Op-Ed
Author
Chris H
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> writes
>On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:57:45 +0000, Chris H <ch...@phaedsys.org>
>wrote:
>
>>So as long as Obama had one parent who was a US Citizen he is American
>>no matter where he was born.
>>
>>As it happens he was born in US territory which would qualify him
>>anyway.
>>
>>SO what is all the fuss about?
>
>The "fuss" was created by the tinfoil hat brigade who claimed that
>Obama was not born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii saw no reason to
>publicly release an official copy of his birth certificate showing
>that he was. They evidently did confirm, to the proper authorities,
>that the certificate was on file but declined to release it publicly.
Sounds reasonable to me.
>There is no valid reason for a state to release private information
>publicly. Especially in a case where only the loonies have an
>interest.
I agree. Besides letting loose an image of the (potential) presidents
birth certificate is not a good idea given the dirty tricks in Us
political companies...
>I seriously doubt if UK politics are immune from similar
>controversies.
Not usually at this level bet we do get them
> If some doolalley eejit claims that Gordon Brown is
>the illegitimate son of space aliens, and not qualified to be PM, some
>UK tabloid will make a fuss over it
Only the Sunday Sport or News of the World the others would not.
> and some Brits will believe it.
The usual loonies. :-)
Chris H
<cl...@griswold.com> writes
>In message news:Al2W$0bg8B...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>
>>
>> So I think we can conclusively say that both candidates ARE US Citizens.
>
>Schwarzenegger is a US citizen but cannot be president
What is the qualification then?
>> Though several people have been wittering that Obama has law suite
>> against him on this but have not been able to back this up with any
>> evidence.
>
>As I said, there are no fewer than 17 lawsuits. If you can't google "obama
>birth lawsuit" you're worthless to me.
You made the claim which is false.
HEMI-Powered
...
>>Sounds like an unconstitutional 'ex post facto' law to me, and
>>NOT consistent with the term 'natural born citizen'. So, it
>>seems that McCain's birth/citizenship is more in doubt than
>>Obama's.
>
> Given that he fought in the US military and been a Senator for
> years etc I think he has earned the right.
>
Definitely. But the issue is whether where both McCain AND Obama
were born meets the Constitutional test for "natural born", and
they both do.
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
> Laws, set by legislation, are sometimes passed to clarify -
> not change - previous laws. We see this often when there is a
> constitutional law case, and interpretation of the
> Constitution is made in court, and a law is passed later that
> spells out the law to eliminate future court cases.
Exactly. Among other things, Congress can and has passed bills that
presidents have signed into law to not only clarify issues in
general, Constitutional issues in particular, AND to implement
same.
> In this case, the First Congress of the United States, on
> March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, "The children
> of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea,
> or outside the limits of the United States, shall be
> considered as natural-born citizens of the United States."
> McCain's parents were both citizens.
Original "citizens" were grandfathered in for the obvious reason
that there was no USA for anyone to be a citizen of. And, of
course, slaves did not become citizens until the 14th Amendment,
ratified on July 9, 1868.
> The only thing that was done in 1953 was to specify that the
> Panama Canal Zone and other Territories were to be considered
> covered by the 1790 act. The original act did not specify
> Territories like the PCZ since they did not exist in 1790.
> The courts, in 1953, ruled that the intent was there.
>
Again, exactly. But, this is all both academic and moot since one
side or the other in this election would have challenged both Obama
and McCain if there were ANY doubt as to their basic qualification
to hold the office of President of the United States. Hillary would
have loved to have knocked Obama completely out of the primaries as
would Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and Rudi Guiliani loved to have
eliminated their chief primary opponent.
HEMI-Powered
...
>>Laws, set by legislation, are sometimes passed to clarify -
>>not change - previous laws. We see this often when there is a
>>constitutional law case, and interpretation of the
>>Constitution is made in court, and a law is passed later that
>>spells out the law to eliminate future court cases. In this
>>case, the First Congress of the United States, on March 26,
>>1790, approved an act that declared, "The children of citizens
>>of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside
>>the limits of the United States, shall be considered as
>>natural-born citizens of the United States." McCain's parents
>>were both citizens.
>
> In which case McCain is a US Citizen no matter where he was
> born.
>
> Would Obama be a US Citizen (no matter where he was born) if
> one of his parents was a Us Citizen? Or does it require both
> to the US Citizens.
>
Yes, and depending exactly where a child born of citizens is born,
they may be able to claim dual citizenship although under US law
and custom, it's citizenship is superior to any other.
HEMI-Powered
...
>>>Would Obama be a US Citizen (no matter where he was born) if
>>>one of his parents was a Us Citizen? Or does it require both
>>>to the US Citizens.
>>
>>That's one of the things the 1953 legislation covered. The
>>1790 act said "citizens", but the 1953 legislation interpreted
>>that to mean that having one parent of US citizenship met the
>>qualification and "citizens" was used to mean "all Americans"
>>or "any Americans" in the phrase "the children of citizens".
>>Much of law in this country, and in yours, is the
>>interpretation of the intent of earlier laws.
>
> So as long as Obama had one parent who was a US Citizen he is
> American no matter where he was born.
>
> As it happens he was born in US territory which would qualify
> him anyway.
>
> SO what is all the fuss about?
>
The fuss is all about racism. Whether one like(d)(s) Obama or not
has nothing to do with his basic qualification for office. If one
wants to challenge other qualifications such as judgment, there's
plenty of discussion that is relevant but NOT his citizenship. And,
for the blind haters of those on the Right politically, the fuss is
they also hate McCain as well as Bush.
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:57:45 +0000, Chris H
> <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>
>>So as long as Obama had one parent who was a US Citizen he is
>>American no matter where he was born.
>>
>>As it happens he was born in US territory which would qualify
>>him anyway.
>>
>>SO what is all the fuss about?
>
> The "fuss" was created by the tinfoil hat brigade who claimed
> that Obama was not born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii saw no
> reason to publicly release an official copy of his birth
> certificate showing that he was. They evidently did confirm,
> to the proper authorities, that the certificate was on file
> but declined to release it publicly.
Had there been a true legal challenge, then the candidate would
have to submit proof of citizenship. I would remind you, however,
that Hawaii was NOT a state when Obama was born.
>
> There is no valid reason for a state to release private
> information publicly. Especially in a case where only the
> loonies have an interest.
No, but the candidate WOULD have to release any relevent
information in order to clear their name both to the law and to the
voters, but none was or is required here of EITHER former
candidate.
> I seriously doubt if UK politics are immune from similar
> controversies. If some doolalley eejit claims that Gordon
> Brown is the illegitimate son of space aliens, and not
> qualified to be PM, some UK tabloid will make a fuss over it
> and some Brits will believe it.
>
>
--
HEMI-Powered
du jour ...
> yep desperation in believing that Obama is just paying off
> favours, when the truth may be that he is hiring people who
> actually know how the hill works so he can get his mandate to
> change off the ground, instead of it being a lame duck because
> he hires newbie's who would get eaten alive trying to waltz
> around congress and get things done. that's OK, just keep
> believing that, the Semi regional Republican party may just
> get totally blind sided, hell its not like anyone in it is
> actually watching what's happening, rather they are all trying
> to blame everything but the bleeding obvious for their loss.
> :-)
>
Take a hike. Nobody that spells "favors" with a "u" in it has a
damn thing to say here.
Allen
the the 1980s. However, I think we now have conclusive evidence to show
that it is a reference to his IQ. And Chevy Chase should sue.
Allen
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
> You have an excellent track record, Jerry. You've never been
> right.
I won't debate with fools like you, but if you really think that,
then Fuck Head, prove it. Otherwise, just take a long dip in the
lake of Shut the Fuck Up.
Ray Fischer
> "HEMI-Powered"
>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if there was
>> even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious criteria to
>> hold Federal office?
>
>Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL reason he went
>to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A YEAR AND A HALF. Do you
>really think he went to Hawaii to see her? Puh-leeze.
You must be an illiterate asshole. This lawsuit doesn't even involve
Obama. Why would he fly to Hawaii for a case that isn't even his
business?
>http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawaii-lawsuit-
>r868547.htm
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
>>Quite. I assume that born on a US base would make him a US
>>citizen regardless of parentage?
>
> No. It's not the place of birth; it's the parentage. Many US
> bases have foreign nationals who live and work on the base.
> Their children do not gain citizenship by having been born on
> the base. The children born of American citizens on that base
> are not excluded from citizenship, though.
>
IF the military base is on United States soil, then YES, ANY
foreign national's children ARE natural born American citizens.
They may well also claim citizenship in their parents country, but
the way our law works, if you're born here, you ARE a citizen. An
easy example is children born of wetback illegals are citizens and
that fact is being used to force benefits to the child's parents
and to prevent deportation. Personally for this, I'd put the child
up for adoption and kick the wetbacks all the way back to Mexico.
Ray Fischer
>In message news:492be946$0$28640$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com, BÔwser
><b0w...@h0me.c0m> done wrote:
>
>>
>> "That80sGuy" <cl...@griswold.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B6083D8B3...@198.186.190.61...
>>> In message news:Xns9B60753474B...@216.168.3.30,
>>> "HEMI-Powered" <no...@none.sn> done wrote:
>>>
>>>> jour ...
>>>>
>>>>>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>>>>>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious
>>>>>> criteria to hold Federal office?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL
>>>>> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A
>>>>> YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to see
>>>>> her? Puh-leeze.
>>
>> that he was visiting her since she was in poor health.
>
>She had corneal transplant surgery. BHO didn't visit.
>She had hip replacement surgery. BHO didn't visit.
>She described herself as "in poor health" in March 2008.
>She lived in the same apartment where she raised BHO. He didn't visit.
>
>Until he was served with a lawsuit.
He wasn't served with a lawsuit, moron, according to your own cite.
>> But, conspiracy lovers can have their say, even if it is stupid.
>
>The lawsuits are not a conspiracy.
They're "fiction".
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
HEMI-Powered
> Never mind where he was born, has no-one noticed that he is
> black.
>
Oh, but they do. And, he isn't "black" or "Negro", he is a half-
breed Mulatto born of one citizen of Kenya and one white citizen of
the United States. In many countries of the world, there is no
ambiguity for race or ethnicity but in our Fucked up PC country,
everybody wants to be a dash-American.
HEMI-Powered
jour ...
>> Never mind where he was born, has no-one noticed that he is
>> black.
>>
> Well, many whites seem to think he isn't 'black enough', and
> many blacks seem to agree. So I guess he is, like he said,
> "Just a mutt." But then aren't most Americans?
>
What does it matter? The election is over and assuming that the
Electoral College follows the vote of the people in "the several
states", they will confirm Obama as the 44th President of the
United States.
--
Ray Fischer
>tony cooper added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>> that Obama was not born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii saw no
>> reason to publicly release an official copy of his birth
>> certificate showing that he was. They evidently did confirm,
>> to the proper authorities, that the certificate was on file
>> but declined to release it publicly.
>
>Had there been a true legal challenge, then the candidate would
>have to submit proof of citizenship. I would remind you, however,
>that Hawaii was NOT a state when Obama was born.
And neither was Panama.
>> There is no valid reason for a state to release private
>> information publicly. Especially in a case where only the
>> loonies have an interest.
>
>No, but the candidate WOULD have to release any relevent
>information in order to clear their name both to the law and to the
>voters,
Obviously not.
> but none was or is required here of EITHER former
>candidate.
Then you must be wrong.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
Ray Fischer
>In message news:492c2c61$0$2810$742e...@news.sonic.net,
I especially liked the way you insisted that Obama flew to Hawaii to
deal with a lawsuit that didn't even involve him.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
tony cooper
wrote:
>In message <Xns9B6171FB7F...@198.186.190.61>, That80sGuy
><cl...@griswold.com> writes
>>In message news:Al2W$0bg8B...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
>><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So I think we can conclusively say that both candidates ARE US Citizens.
>>
>>Being a US citizen does not qualify one to be president. Arnold
>>Schwarzenegger is a US citizen but cannot be president
>
>What is the qualification then?
Natural born citizen*, not just citizen. Arnold is a naturalized
citizen of the US (1983). There is no requirement for being a natural
born citizen for governorship of California.
*Including being born in a US territory or any location deemed "US
soil".
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
tony cooper
>In message news:po5oi4pjbojjjqbvf...@4ax.com, tony cooper
><tony_co...@earthlink.net> done wrote:
>
>> On 25 Nov 2008 14:28:48 GMT, That80sGuy <cl...@griswold.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In message news:492be946$0$28640$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com, BÔwser
>>><b0w...@h0me.c0m> done wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "That80sGuy" <cl...@griswold.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9B6083D8B3...@198.186.190.61...
>>>>> In message news:Xns9B60753474B...@216.168.3.30,
>>>>> "HEMI-Powered" <no...@none.sn> done wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That80sGuy added these comments in the current discussion du
>>>>>> jour ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think no one might've challenged either candidacy if
>>>>>>>> there was even a hint of lack of citizenship or other obvious
>>>>>>>> criteria to hold Federal office?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ummm... Obama's citizenship WAS challenged. It's the REAL
>>>>>>> reason he went to Hawaii. He'd not seen his grandmother in A
>>>>>>> YEAR AND A HALF. Do you really think he went to Hawaii to see
>>>>>>> her? Puh-leeze.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and the fact that she died just before the election kind of proves
>>>> that he was visiting her since she was in poor health.
>>>
>>>She had corneal transplant surgery. BHO didn't visit.
>>>She had hip replacement surgery. BHO didn't visit.
>>>She described herself as "in poor health" in March 2008.
>>>She lived in the same apartment where she raised BHO. He didn't visit.
>>>
>>>Until he was served with a lawsuit.
>>
>> I can't find an online reference, but I don't think Obama was served
>> in the Hawaii lawsuit. That lawsuit was against the State of Hawaii
>> and the Hawaii Department of Health with Gov Linda Lingle as the
>> official respondent.
>>
>> Since you have positively stated that Obama was served, then I assume
>> you can produce some cite about this. I'm waiting.
>
>There are no fewer than 17 Obama proof-of-birth lawsuits. I have no desire
>to do your work for you.
In other words, you cannot cite one in which Obama was served. Nor
can you even get close to a cite of a suit filed in Hawaii in which
Obama was served which caused him to travel to Hawaii.
The sure sign of someone who is absolutely wrong about something is
when they tell you to look it up because they won't do your work for
you.
tony cooper
wrote:
>tony cooper added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>> You have an excellent track record, Jerry. You've never been
>> right.
>
>I won't debate with fools like you,
Good plan. Never enter a debate that you can't win and where you
don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
tony cooper
wrote:
>> SO what is all the fuss about?
>>
>The fuss is all about racism.
Not this particular fuss. Many non-racists opposed Obama because of
his views on issues. The McCain/Palin ticket was supported by the
religious right, the gun lobby, the anti-federal-regulation group,
flying wolf hunters, and many others. I don't think it's fair to
categorize the people opposed to Obama as all racists.
Chris H
<cl...@griswold.com> writes
>In message news:AX72jndX...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>
>> In message <Xns9B6171FB7F...@198.186.190.61>, That80sGuy
>><cl...@griswold.com> writes
>>>In message news:Al2W$0bg8B...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
>>><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I think we can conclusively say that both candidates ARE US
>>>> Citizens.
>>>
>>>Being a US citizen does not qualify one to be president. Arnold
>>>Schwarzenegger is a US citizen but cannot be president
>>
>> What is the qualification then?
>
>krauts.
That is plain wrong (and don't start another fight you can't win)
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Chris H
<no...@none.sn> writes
>Ron Hunter added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>>> Never mind where he was born, has no-one noticed that he is
>>> black.
>>>
>> Well, many whites seem to think he isn't 'black enough', and
>> many blacks seem to agree. So I guess he is, like he said,
>> "Just a mutt." But then aren't most Americans?
>>
>What does it matter? The election is over and assuming that the
>Electoral College follows the vote of the people in "the several
>states", they will confirm Obama as the 44th President of the
>United States.
You mean they haven't?
It is theoretically possible Obama might not be president?
Chris H
tony cooper
wrote:
>In message <Xns9B6176CA4A0...@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
><no...@none.sn> writes
>>Ron Hunter added these comments in the current discussion du
>>jour ...
>>
>>>> Never mind where he was born, has no-one noticed that he is
>>>> black.
>>>>
>>> Well, many whites seem to think he isn't 'black enough', and
>>> many blacks seem to agree. So I guess he is, like he said,
>>> "Just a mutt." But then aren't most Americans?
>>>
>>What does it matter? The election is over and assuming that the
>>Electoral College follows the vote of the people in "the several
>>states", they will confirm Obama as the 44th President of the
>>United States.
>
>You mean they haven't?
No. They meet on the second Wednesday of December (December 15th,
this year) after each Presidential election. This is because when the
system was originally set-up in 1787 (but formalized in 1845), it took
quite some time for all of the votes to be counted and the results
forwarded. The Electoral College does not meet as a body; the
Electors remain in their own state and mail in their vote to the
sitting President of the Senate (the Vice President).
>It is theoretically possible Obama might not be president?
Yes. Only theoretically, though.
George Kerby
On 11/25/08 3:14 PM, in article veqoi4thtk9f8ueth...@4ax.com,
"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:
And don't forget people like me who doesn't want to return to almost 40% tax
on capital gains, or a Socialist that wants "to put coal-fired energy
providers out of business".
Atheist Chaplain
news:Xns9B6175975AB...@216.168.3.30...
awww does it hurt poor diddums feelings when the rest of the world tells you
a few home truths, get over it :-)
I notice a distinct lack of substance in your reply, must be a Republican,
all fear and hate, but no meat and potatoes.
--
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg
rwalker
>In message news:AX72jndX...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>
>> In message <Xns9B6171FB7F...@198.186.190.61>, That80sGuy
>><cl...@griswold.com> writes
>>>In message news:Al2W$0bg8B...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk, Chris H
>>><ch...@phaedsys.org> done wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I think we can conclusively say that both candidates ARE US
>>>> Citizens.
>>>
>>>Being a US citizen does not qualify one to be president. Arnold
>>>Schwarzenegger is a US citizen but cannot be president
>>
>> What is the qualification then?
>
>Look fuckwad, we fucking saved your faggot ass two times against the
>krauts. And you STILL won't do any fucking work? Fuck off. Die. Not in
>that order.
>
>PLONK motherfucker
And a happy plonk to you, you dimwitted, mouth-breathing,
tin-foil-hat-wearing imbecile.
Chris H
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> writes
Thanks for explaining.
Ron Hunter
Ron Hunter
and his religious background. I was concerned about McCain because of
his mental and physical abuse during his POW years, and the effect that
might have on his handling of emergencies. In the end, I chose the
lesser of two potential evils. I hope, before I am too old to get out
to vote, I actually have to choose between two candidates I believe
would both do a great job, but I don't expect to see that.