Re: Corrupt Elites Plan Dispossession of American Citizens
wis...@yahoo.com
>
>Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>
>Commentary by Mitchell Brooks
>
>When someone, say myself, obsessively scans the news every single day
>they will probably develop an overwhelming fear of the current
>situation within the United States. This is especially true if one
>reads real news; the kind that is now found almost exclusively on the
>Internet. The contrast between mainstream news sources and Internet
>news sites is astounding, especially as it pertains to the topic of
>immigration.
>
>I am convinced that immigration, legal and illegal, is the most deadly
>threat to the United States. The facts are in and the facts are
>powerful and disturbing. These facts will rarely be presented by the
>mainstream press. The third-world immigrant invasion will be
>portrayed, if it is portrayed at all, as a wonderful development
>bringing lively, diverse and joyous gifts to the drab old U.S. of A.
>At the very least, immigrants will be portrayed as morally superior
>victims.
>
>If you think overpopulation, ignorance, crime, disease, dependence on
>government handouts, grist for the racist affirmative-action mill,
>depressed wages, and cultural balkanization are wonderful new
>developments then you are no doubt brimming with enthusiasm for the
>destruction of your own country. You might also be a member of the
>ACLU, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Democratic Party, the Bush
>wing of the Republican Party or some other organization. Or perhaps
>you are just a victim of politically-correct social engineering.
>Whatever the case, I predict many of you will be shocked when all the
>group hugs you have planned prove to resemble Maoist self-criticism
>sessions.
>
>But if you are looking for the facts and are prepared to act on them
>you might have to put out a little effort. Once that's done the bad
>news is that there is precious little good news.
>
>Every time citizens' groups manage to thwart legislation that would
>give amnesty to illegal aliens or increase legal immigration it is
>ultimately a meaningless victory. As long as our current leadership is
>in place they will continue to refuse to enforce the inadequate
>immigration laws we have and they will continue to plot with
>American's enemies, foreign and domestic, to increase the immigrant
>invasion.
>
>The only hope is for a massive defection from the two major parties
>that are plotting the dispossession of American citizens.
A fine evaluation of a problem that will be terminal for America
unless corrected.
ted
>
>
Twibil
>
> A fine evaluation of a problem that will be terminal for America
> unless corrected.
Er, but it's circa 8 1/3 years out of date.
Bush is no longer in office.
John McWilliams
f-u set
Omega
But then Obama is basically Bush III
Omega
third world country. Since 1910 each generation has been a bit worst
than the previous generation. We seem to have become too comfortable,
too wealthy, as people (total US population that is). But this may be
the natural cycle of things.
Twibil
On closer examination I think you'll find several thousand distinct
differences. Some of those may be improvements, and some probably
aren't; but "basically Bush III? Hardly.
(Unless, of course, you're comparing them both to either Christ or
Satan; in which case your need for intensive therapy outweighs any
other factor in the equation.)
John McWilliams
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Roy G
<wis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>
Trouble is it started with those puritans from England way back. If the
real Americans had managed or even tried to keep them out, the problem would
not have continued to multiply the way it has.
Perhaps you should start by getting rid of all the white settlers first,
since they started the problem.
Roy G
Allen
coming over here early in the 1600s, they just killed the ones who were
already here. Unfortunately, though, that doesn't always shut up the bigots.
Allen
Neil Harrington
I think to some considerable extent yes, it is in the natural cycle of
things.
Someone said long ago that all democracies eventually destroy themselves.
As for the U.S., I'm afraid we have seen our best days. We don't seem to
have the moral fiber or political vitality to resist cultural deterioration;
indeed we seem to welcome it in any form. Patriotism appears to be in steady
decline. We have a president who goes abroad, spends most of his time
apologizing for the U.S., glad-handing communist dictators and sitting mute
while they revile the U.S. in hour-long speeches, offers no defense of the
country in return, in fact adds his own criticisms of it -- and still has
high approval ratings here according to most polls. We have, evidently, the
first anti-American American president, and many foreigners fall over
themselves with admiration of him for being that -- as they tend to admire
any American who disparages his own country.
We have effectively stopped defending our own borders, and there seems to be
more outrage directed at private citizens who try to help defend our
southern border than there is against the millions who violate that border,
often with criminal intent.
Meanwhile the entire West seems to be in decline. World population continues
to grow, but not among western Europeans -- I read recently that no country
in Europe now has a birth rate sufficient to maintain its population, except
for Muslim Albania. Pat Buchanan has addressed this issue repeatedly in his
recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider problem.
Neil Harrington
> <wis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>
> It is a major problem in the USA.
>
> Trouble is it started with those puritans from England way back. If
> the real Americans had managed or even tried to keep them out, the
What "real Americans"?
> problem would not have continued to multiply the way it has.
>
> Perhaps you should start by getting rid of all the white settlers
> first, since they started the problem.
They'd love you in Venezuela (the ones who aren't in prison for political
dissent, anyway). Maybe Hugo would give you a medal.
Neil Harrington
The "ones who were already here" killed (or absorbed) the ones who were here
before them, and so on back for the last 12,000 years or so. It's the way it
works, bunky. Read a little ancient history and you'll get the idea.
> Unfortunately, though, that doesn't always shut up
> the bigots. Allen
By "bigots" you mean "people who do not share my own prejudices." Eh?
Roy G
"Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote in message
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> Omega wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 3:04 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>
>>>
>>>
> recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider problem.
>
evangelical bigot, who seems to have forgotten Christian Charity.
I do wish these racist bigots would stop including this group in their
offensive postings.
Roy G
Jürgen Exner
>On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>A fine evaluation of a problem that will be terminal for America
>unless corrected.
It seems SEMI-Brained found out how to change his ID.
jue
Bob Larter
It'd be nice, wouldn't it?
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Neil Harrington
"Roy G" <roy...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> "Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote in message
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>> Omega wrote:
>>> On Apr 23, 3:04 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> . Pat Buchanan has addressed this issue repeatedly in his
>> recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider problem.
>>
> Now we see where all this crap comes from, that well known self serving
> evangelical bigot, who seems to have forgotten Christian Charity.
Feel free to point out his errors of fact or logic, by all means.
>
> I do wish these racist bigots would stop including this group in their
> offensive postings.
Again: "racist bigots" appears to be nothing more than the term doctrinaire,
politically correct tunnel-vision types use to disparage anyone who doesn't
share their own narrow belief system and prejudices. Perhaps they believe
calling people "racist bigots" is a form of logical argument. One wonders
why.
Ray Fischer
>>>> On Apr 23, 3:04 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>>
>> . Pat Buchanan has addressed this issue repeatedly in his
>>> recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider problem.
>>>
>> Now we see where all this crap comes from, that well known self serving
>> evangelical bigot, who seems to have forgotten Christian Charity.
>
>Feel free to point out his errors of fact or logic, by all means.
His hatred of liberty, his disgust with America, and his rampant
xenophobia are all pretty much devoid of facts to refute
>> I do wish these racist bigots would stop including this group in their
>> offensive postings.
>
>Again: "racist bigots" appears to be nothing more than the term doctrinaire,
Yeah, yeah, bigots always justify themselves in their own minds.
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Neil Harrington
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Neil Harrington <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote:
>>"Roy G" <roy...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>> "Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote in message
>>>> Omega wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 23, 3:04 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>>>
>>> . Pat Buchanan has addressed this issue repeatedly in his
>>>> recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>> Now we see where all this crap comes from, that well known self serving
>>> evangelical bigot, who seems to have forgotten Christian Charity.
>>
>>Feel free to point out his errors of fact or logic, by all means.
>
> His hatred of liberty,
No, I didn't ask for examples of your paranoid fantasy -- just Buchanan's
errors of fact or logic.
> his disgust with America,
His disgust is with leftists and neocons, American or otherwise. That is not
"disgust with America."
> and his rampant
> xenophobia are all pretty much devoid of facts to refute
So you think anyone who believes our borders should actually mean something
suffers from "rampant xenophobia." Understood, but since most Americans
(especially those who live on or near our daily-violated borders) believe
exactly that, as do most nationals of any other country, your opinion counts
for approximately nothing.
Roy G
Don't tell me that you think Buchanan has any kind of broad minded approach
to any subject, other than to his own need to make large amounts of money.
To describe those, who take a different point of view to your minority
extreme opinions, as having tunnel vision is laughable.
The only people with a narrow viewpoint are you lot, and that narrow
viewpoint is not due to tunnel vision - it is due to you choosing to wear
blinkers and to only describing what you see in terms of your pre-existing
prejudices.
Go crawl back under your stone.
Roy G
Neil Harrington
He makes very large amounts of money because he is very successful at what
he does. His books sell enormously well and always have. Millions of people
buy them because they have enough sense to know that what he writes is
important. Eat your envious little heart out.
>
> To describe those, who take a different point of view to your minority
> extreme opinions, as having tunnel vision is laughable.
>
> The only people with a narrow viewpoint are you lot, and that narrow
> viewpoint is not due to tunnel vision - it is due to you choosing to wear
> blinkers and to only describing what you see in terms of your pre-existing
> prejudices.
There, you see: the best you can manage is an inferior copy of my own
remarks with the parties reversed. Have you ever had an original thought?
Probably not. What would you have it with?
>
> Go crawl back under your stone.
Good illustration of your debating level. You're a long way from being ready
to take on adults.
Plonk.
Chris H
wis...@yahoo.com writes
>On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>
>>Commentary by Mitchell Brooks
>>threat to the United States.
Immigration has had a major effect on the USA. Without it the US would
not have had several hi-tech industries . At the last Survey about 50%
of the Engineers at Boeing were foreigners,. That is professional
design people.
There are large numbers of foreign professionals in the US keeping it
afloat. If you remove ALL immigrants the US will sink faster than it is
now
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Chris H
<ch...@phaedsys.org> writes
>In message <eoe1v45dv7och02hm...@4ax.com>,
>wis...@yahoo.com writes
>>On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>
>>>Commentary by Mitchell Brooks
>>>I am convinced that immigration, legal and illegal, is the most deadly
>>>threat to the United States.
>
>Immigration has had a major effect on the USA. Without it the US would
>not have had several hi-tech industries . At the last Survey about 50%
>of the Engineers at Boeing were foreigners,. That is professional
>design people.
>
>There are large numbers of foreign professionals in the US keeping it
>afloat. If you remove ALL immigrants the US will sink faster than it is
>now
>
Actually ad to that most of the US space technology came from immigrants
as did most of he US Atomic program..... That is just in the last 80
years.
In fact without immigrants over the last 500 years where would the USA
be now? ( the southern 1/3 would be Mexican :-)
J. Clarke
> In message <eoe1v45dv7och02hm...@4ax.com>,
> wis...@yahoo.com writes
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>
>>> Commentary by Mitchell Brooks
>>> I am convinced that immigration, legal and illegal, is the most
>>> deadly threat to the United States.
>
> Immigration has had a major effect on the USA. Without it the US would
> not have had several hi-tech industries .
Which high tech industries are those?
> At the last Survey about 50%
> of the Engineers at Boeing were foreigners,. That is professional
> design people.
And meanwhile a bunch of American engineering graduates are waiting tables
or teaching school or working at Best Buy because Boeing didn't hire them.
For some reason people have the notion that foreigners get hired for
technical positions and that enrollments are declining in technical programs
because there is a shortfall of qualified American applicants. Foreigners
get hired because for an experienced foreigner US entry level is often a
significant pay increase, and Americans don't enroll in engineering programs
because there aren't any jobs waiting for them.
> There are large numbers of foreign professionals in the US keeping it
> afloat. If you remove ALL immigrants the US will sink faster than it
> is now.
Or not, as the case may be. You have no way of knowing that.
At the very least put a tax on new hires who are not US citizens equal to
the pay differential between wherever they came from and the US, with NO
exceptions. If the guy is some kind of super specialist of whom there are
three in the world then the employer shouldn't have any problem with paying
whatever it costs to get him, but it will end the practice of hiring some
guy from India to do a job that some guy from Peoria could do as well.
J. Clarke
> In message <xfj6hNHt...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, Chris H
> <ch...@phaedsys.org> writes
>> In message <eoe1v45dv7och02hm...@4ax.com>,
>> wis...@yahoo.com writes
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>
>>>> Commentary by Mitchell Brooks
>>>> I am convinced that immigration, legal and illegal, is the most
>>>> deadly threat to the United States.
>>
>> Immigration has had a major effect on the USA. Without it the US
>> would not have had several hi-tech industries . At the last Survey
>> about 50% of the Engineers at Boeing were foreigners,. That is
>> professional design people.
>>
>> There are large numbers of foreign professionals in the US keeping
>> it afloat. If you remove ALL immigrants the US will sink faster than
>> it is now
>>
>
> Actually ad to that most of the US space technology came from
> immigrants as did most of he US Atomic program..... That is just in
> the last 80 years.
I think that if you check you will find that while a few top-level
physicists were foreigners the rank and file who actually did all the grunt
work to make it happen were Americans.
As for the space program, they gave us a leg up but only because Goddard got
the same treatment that most other American technical visionaries
get--everybody laughed at him. And those Germans are long-since dead or
retired.
Chris H
<jclarke...@cox.net> writes
>Chris H wrote:
>> In message <eoe1v45dv7och02hm...@4ax.com>,
>> wis...@yahoo.com writes
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>
>>>> Commentary by Mitchell Brooks
>>>> I am convinced that immigration, legal and illegal, is the most
>>>> deadly threat to the United States.
>>
>> Immigration has had a major effect on the USA. Without it the US would
>> not have had several hi-tech industries .
>
>Which high tech industries are those?
Most.
>> At the last Survey about 50%
>> of the Engineers at Boeing were foreigners,. That is professional
>> design people.
>
>And meanwhile a bunch of American engineering graduates are waiting
>tables or teaching school or working at Best Buy because Boeing didn't
>hire them.
Yes.... Wrong sort of engineers. See Jack Gansels Paper on this at his
web site or www.embedded.com
>Foreigners get hired because for an experienced foreigner US entry
>level is often a significant pay increase,
Not true.
>> There are large numbers of foreign professionals in the US keeping it
>> afloat. If you remove ALL immigrants the US will sink faster than it
>> is now.
>
>Or not, as the case may be. You have no way of knowing that.
I am in the industry. I do know
>At the very least put a tax on new hires who are not US citizens equal
>to the pay differential between wherever they came from and the US,
>with NO exceptions.
That will sink the US completely the US need the rest of the world but
the rest of the world only needs the US as a consumer market.
Protectionism would sink the US completely.
> If the guy is some kind of super specialist of whom there are three in
>the world then the employer shouldn't have any problem with paying
>whatever it costs to get him,
Quite. However the US just does not always have the right numbers of the
right sort of people
> but it will end the practice of hiring some guy from India to do a job
>that some guy from Peoria could do as well.
That is a problem brought about by the American Dream of Free enterprise
to change it to what you are suggesting is called Socialism.
Neil Harrington
That makes no sense whatever. If the guy can do the job, and can come here
as a legal immigrant, he deserves to get paid what he's worth -- and without
any extra punitive taxation piled on.
> If the guy is some kind of super specialist
> of whom there are three in the world then the employer shouldn't have
> any problem with paying whatever it costs to get him, but it will end
> the practice of hiring some guy from India to do a job that some guy
> from Peoria could do as well.
I don't see any problem with LEGAL immigrants. They've been the people who
to a large extent over the last couple of centuries built the country into
what it is now. Many of them started businesses, made fortunes and became
big employers in their own right. All that has been good for us.
ILLEGAL immigrants are another story entirely, of course.
Ray Fischer
>
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>> Neil Harrington <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote:
>>>"Roy G" <roy...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>> "Neil Harrington" <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote in message
>>>>> Omega wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 3:04 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>>>>
>>>> . Pat Buchanan has addressed this issue repeatedly in his
>>>>> recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>> Now we see where all this crap comes from, that well known self serving
>>>> evangelical bigot, who seems to have forgotten Christian Charity.
>>>
>>>Feel free to point out his errors of fact or logic, by all means.
>>
>> His hatred of liberty,
>
>No, I didn't ask for examples of your paranoid fantasy -- just Buchanan's
>errors of fact or logic.
>
>> his disgust with America,
>
>His disgust is with leftists and neocons, American or otherwise.
Fascist hate liberals
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Ray Fischer
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 3:04 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:18:22 -0700, Felix <fe...@nada.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop Immigration, Start Deportation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> . Pat Buchanan has addressed this issue repeatedly in his
>>>>> recent books. So we in the U.S. may be only part of a much wider
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>> Now we see where all this crap comes from, that well known self serving
>>>> evangelical bigot, who seems to have forgotten Christian Charity.
>>>
>>> Feel free to point out his errors of fact or logic, by all means.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do wish these racist bigots would stop including this group in their
>>>> offensive postings.
>>>
>>> Again: "racist bigots" appears to be nothing more than the term
>>> doctrinaire, politically correct tunnel-vision types use to disparage
>>> anyone who doesn't share their own narrow belief system and prejudices.
>>> Perhaps they believe calling people "racist bigots" is a form of logical
>>> argument. One wonders why.
>>
>> Don't tell me that you think Buchanan has any kind of broad minded
>> approach to any subject, other than to his own need to make large amounts
>> of money.
>
>He makes very large amounts of money because he is very successful at what
>he does.
Lots of people in history have gotten rich selling hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
J. Clarke
Well, Buchanan seems to think that Hitler was an innocent victim who was
maneuvered into war by the evil Neville Chamberlain, having read that far I
know all I want to know about Pat Buchanan, and now if you'll excuse me I'm
going to go gargle a gallon of Listerine and snort a bottle of Chanel to get
the bad taste and smell out of my system.