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Sandi

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Apr 15, 2009, 6:29:28 AM4/15/09
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Do you have any ideas about how to support a camera on a person so
it can see what activities the wearer is doing? It would be a
small compact digital camera and would have to run in movie mode.

The objective is to show how the "wearer" goes from task to task
with no one else present.

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I was considering some sort of wire holder which went round the
back of the neck, like this harmonica holder:
http://melodymusiconline.com/images/PH-001.jpg

A real harmonica holder would probably have to be worn upside down
to permit the camera to rest ontop of the harmonica support bar.
But then not too sure mounting the camera: using a camera bush
might involve metal brazing which I don't have equipment for. It
would be better to have an upper support rail but I can't see where
on the camera it might attach because these compact digicams seem
to have buttons almost everywhere.

Help! Is there any other equipment or shaped bits of metal that you
have used for a similar purpose?

Note that the person wearing this is weights about 16 stone (230
pounds) with a round belly. Otherwise attaching the camera to some
sort of belt around the waist or lower abdomen might have worked.

This isn't a professional project and cost would need to be as low
as possible.

J. Clarke

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Apr 15, 2009, 7:45:33 AM4/15/09
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The way this sort of thing is usually done is with a "lipstick" or "bullet"
video camera on a headband or helmet. There are or have been in the past
some that could work standalone but most are connected to the video input on
a VCR or camcorder that is carried on a waist belt or backpack.


DT

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Apr 15, 2009, 12:30:13 PM4/15/09
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The way it's usually done in the sports world is with a "helmet cam"
broadcasting wireless to a recording device.

http://www.helmetcamera.com/

http://www.helmetcamreview.com/

Assuming you'd rather not re-invent that particular wheel...

DT

whisky-dave

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Apr 16, 2009, 7:38:58 AM4/16/09
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"DT" <na...@not.com> wrote in message news:gs522...@news4.newsguy.com...

A smaller helmetcam might be worth re-inventing as a porn-cam ;-)


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whisky-dave

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Apr 17, 2009, 6:20:01 AM4/17/09
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"Sandi" <inv...@email.com> wrote in message
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> C'mon guys. I need some ideas!!!! I'm struggling to see this
> one. :-)
>
> The helmetcams look great but sadly they are way beyond my
> budget! They also seem to need another camera as I can't easily
> see how I would mount a compact camera on such a helmet unless
> there was some additional special bracket.
>
> However, the idea of a helmetcam has made me think of attaching
> the compact digicam (it weighs about 140g or 5 ounces) to the
> forehead using an elasticated headband. I can imagine that it
> might point upwards too much but can't see how I might adjust
> that angle of elevation. Maybe someone knows of some sort of re-
> tightenable flap-like hinge (like a door hinge) that could be
> attached by a headband and the camera be mounted on.
>
> I also muse around the idea that there might an arrangement
> which uses a belt or garment worn around the chest or shoulders
> and which can support the camera at the front IYSWIM. The camera
> might then be about 6 inches below the neck. But I can't quite
> see how this might work without the camera bouncing a lot and
> I'd hoped someone here had tried some solution to this.
>
> Any ideas?

Why not just try it yourself, as this sort of thing also depends on how the
person
walks, some bounce more whem walking others glide. Depending on what you'll
be expecting most camera video and still have image stabilisation maybe
that'll work.
I'd like to strap a camera to someone that's drunk and see what happens :)

ASAAR

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Apr 17, 2009, 7:04:14 AM4/17/09
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:00:54 +0100, Sandi wrote:

> C'mon guys. I need some ideas!!!! I'm struggling to see this
> one. :-)
>
> The helmetcams look great but sadly they are way beyond my
> budget! They also seem to need another camera as I can't easily
> see how I would mount a compact camera on such a helmet unless
> there was some additional special bracket.

Sandi, B&H has quite a number of stabilizing gadgets, some of
which could be what you're looking for, but as you fear, many tend
to be quite expensive. At least you can sort by price, and if you
search starting from the low price end you may never reach the
Glidecam stabilizer that goes for $22,899.95. :) There's a $29.95
Stedi-Stock shoulder brace that resembles a rifle stock, but it
doesn't seem to be designed for someone walking about. At $44.95
Video Innovators S-800 Standard Shoulder Support might help, but I
have no experience with these things. Some of them, such as various
Steadicam models just mount the camera in the center of a large
contraption so that it's balanced, and I suppose helps to stabilize
the camera similar to the way tightrope walkers use their long
horizontal bars, and also because now much of the mass is now at the
periphery, not at the center where the small camera lives,
increasing its "moment arm" which helps by requiring more torque to
produce a given amount of twisting or rotation. These gadgets can
add quite a bit of weight, and all of that extra mass also helps to
reduce the camera's jiggling.

Glidecam also has a much more modest stabilizer designed for small
cameras, more than $22,500 cheaper than the model mentioned above.
At $349.95 it may still be out of your price range, but take a look
at its picture - it may give you some ideas.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/579906-REG/Glidecam_HD_1000_HD1000_Stabilizer_System.html#features

I'd also suggest taking a look at B&H's Pro Video Tripods & Support
page, which has links to their "Hand Held & Shoulder Stabilizers"
and "Stabilizer Systems" sections.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/category/8311/Carrying_Support_Pro_Video_Tripods_Support.html


> I also muse around the idea that there might an arrangement
> which uses a belt or garment worn around the chest or shoulders
> and which can support the camera at the front IYSWIM. The camera
> might then be about 6 inches below the neck. But I can't quite
> see how this might work without the camera bouncing a lot and
> I'd hoped someone here had tried some solution to this.

You'll find products like that at B&H's website, some having wide
padded belts that go around the waist and shoulders, supporting the
stabilizer systems, taking the lifting burden away from the hands,
allowing them to guide the camera. All of these are shown and
described in detail in B&H's Professional Video SourceBook, Volume
1, and you should be able to order it at no charge from the website.

And if you have an extra free moment or two . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque

Bob Larter

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Apr 17, 2009, 7:09:36 AM4/17/09
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They'll get puke all over your expensive camera?


PS: And a big "Hello" to Lynne Lyons, AKA "Goofy",
who's watching this from Google ALerts!

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DT

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Apr 17, 2009, 1:23:17 PM4/17/09
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Sandi wrote:
> On 15 Apr 17:30, DT wrote:
>
> C'mon guys. I need some ideas!!!! I'm struggling to see this
> one. :-)
>
> The helmetcams look great but sadly they are way beyond my
> budget! They also seem to need another camera as I can't easily
> see how I would mount a compact camera on such a helmet unless
> there was some additional special bracket.
>
> However, the idea of a helmetcam has made me think of attaching
> the compact digicam (it weighs about 140g or 5 ounces) to the
> forehead using an elasticated headband. I can imagine that it
> might point upwards too much but can't see how I might adjust
> that angle of elevation. Maybe someone knows of some sort of re-
> tightenable flap-like hinge (like a door hinge) that could be
> attached by a headband and the camera be mounted on.
>
> I also muse around the idea that there might an arrangement
> which uses a belt or garment worn around the chest or shoulders
> and which can support the camera at the front IYSWIM. The camera
> might then be about 6 inches below the neck. But I can't quite
> see how this might work without the camera bouncing a lot and
> I'd hoped someone here had tried some solution to this.
>
> Any ideas?

Ah, I see! You're like me, then: cheap! ;-)

So, you already have a specific camera you want to use? It's all gonna
depend on what attachment points the camera already has. Something like
this: http://www.goshotcamera.com/product/OPT5301422?meta=FRG might be
useful, but I don't see how you could maintain aim.

DT

Paul Furman

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May 7, 2009, 2:21:26 AM5/7/09
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There's got to be a free way to implement this. Just mount the camera to
a tightrope walker's pole if nothing else.

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ASAAR

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May 7, 2009, 6:16:38 AM5/7/09
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 23:21:26 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
>
> There's got to be a free way to implement this. Just mount the camera to
> a tightrope walker's pole if nothing else.

Even if you could get a tightrope walker's pole for nothing, it
would be hell on taking indoor portraits. And then there are all of
those shots papparazzis would miss trying to chase their prey down
alleys!

:)

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