nikon DSLR has less high ISO noise?
james
DSLR in high ISO photos.
Why isn't canon doing something about this? This has been going on for more
than a year.
John McWilliams
Because Canon has been working for the last year on a new noise-free
sensor that can take a smooth picture of a room full of 50 people
illuminated by a single candle. ISO equivalent to 480,000.
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Alfred Molon
> Why isn't canon doing something about this? This has been going on for more
> than a year.
Why should Canon do anything about this? And what should they do - bomb
the Nikon factories, sue Nikon out of the market?
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Ray Fischer
>Many recent reviews say nikon DSLR has better noise reduction than canon
>DSLR in high ISO photos.
They also say that the difference is quite small.
>Why isn't canon doing something about this?
What makes you think that they're not?
> This has been going on for more
>than a year.
Oooo! A whole year! And how long do you think that the development
cycle is on a new camera? I'd guess that its about two years. But
most people care more about the number of pixels than about a slight
difference in noise for low-light photography.
Too many people think that one particular feature of a camera is the
most important thing in the world and ignore all the other hundreds of
features. Camera makers sell to more than just one person in order to
stay in business.
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semoi
Rather than low noise at high ISOs or ever increasing megapixels
manufacturers should try to improve the dynamic range of sensors, which has
not budged much compared to other factors.
Current sensors still have very little latitude for over-exposure.
Improving latitude at normal ISOs would benefit all photographers far more
than reducing noise at rarely used ultra high ISOs.
nospam
<fac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> How often do most users actually shoot at these high ISOs?
depends on the user. someone shooting indoor candids, theatre or
sports might use high iso a lot. someone shooting landscapes probably
won't.
> Rather than low noise at high ISOs or ever increasing megapixels
> manufacturers should try to improve the dynamic range of sensors, which has
> not budged much compared to other factors.
actually, they have. recent dslrs have 14 bit a/d converters.
> Current sensors still have very little latitude for over-exposure.
> Improving latitude at normal ISOs would benefit all photographers far more
> than reducing noise at rarely used ultra high ISOs.
if you blow the highlights, they're gone. if you underexpose by a stop
you'll have more highlight headroom.
Pete D
"james" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:gqo5cn$5su$1...@aioe.org...
For the last year Canon has been assembling
a crack team of Ninjas so that when the time
is right they will use this team of crack Ninjas
to distribute a new camera with improved
ISO performance.
Cheers.
Pete
ma...@potd.com.au
It's simply a different approach from each company as to how noise is
handled. IMO the "recent" Nikons have a slight advantage in the noise
department, but this comes from more aggressive NR processing and at
the cost of fine detail.
In real terms the noise difference is 1 stop at best, but I can always
post process noise, so I would rather have the detail thanks.
Cheers
Rusty
Me
> On Mar 30, 1:51 am, "james" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Many recent reviews say nikon DSLR has better noise reduction than canon
>> DSLR in high ISO photos.
>>
>> Why isn't canon doing something about this? This has been going on for more
>> than a year.
>
> It's simply a different approach from each company as to how noise is
> handled. IMO the "recent" Nikons have a slight advantage in the noise
> department, but this comes from more aggressive NR processing and at
> the cost of fine detail.
>
High ISO NR level for in-camera jpeg can also be changed. Though I'd
agree that the default setting high ISO NR level is too high, if that's
what you mean.
John McWilliams
> Shoot raw and everyone has the same control, no?
No. Sensors and processors have improved markedly over the last ten
years. Even RAW formats have to be converted to numbers in camera so
some RAW images are more equal than others.
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John McWilliams
Timmo
> Many recent reviews say nikon DSLR has better noise reduction than canon
I think that Canon had taken the DSLR market by storm and left everyone in
their wake for years, predominantly because of their sensor technology.
Nikon realised that they were a bit in the crap if they let this carry on
any longer (remember, it's not just about bodies, they make massive profits
on lenses and accessories). So, they planned their strategy on how to get
back market share, and got it pretty much spot on with their body line-up
(D3, D700, D300). They obviously done their homework and found out exactly
what photographers wanted out of their bodies (and not just high ISO
performance, but other important features as well).
So, now all Canon has to do is find out what photographers actually want
from their bodies, not what they think they want, bring those products to
market and they will be back in the game (afterall, I don't think that
anyone doubts Canon's technical/engineering capabilities, just their Yes Men
Sales/Marketing Departments who have their heads buried in the sand (or up
the CEO's arse)). If I was the CEO, I would make Chuck Westfall Head of
Product Planning.
Mind you, sometimes I wonder if Canon and Nikon deliberately take turns
though.
I also bet if you went back 10 years and looked at newsgroup posts/forum
posts/reviews, you'll find plenty of Canon EOS 3 'v' Nikon F100, Canon EOS
1V 'v' Nikon F5, Canon EOS 1N/RS 'v Nikon F5, etc. If the internet was
around in the 70's and 80's, well probably the same then too.
Still, Nikon are body leaders at the moment, Canon are lens leaders at the
moment.
Eric Stevens
wrote:
Using a D300, I find I am losing my dislike of shooting at higher ISO.
I only think once before shooting at 1600. I find the benefits outway
the problems of larger lens apertures and slower shutter speeds. I
have been known to shoot at even higher ISO :-)
Eric Stevens
Alfred Molon
says...
> Using a D300, I find I am losing my dislike of shooting at higher ISO.
> I only think once before shooting at 1600. I find the benefits outway
outweigh
Nicko
> In article <agc2t4dsb3o4ee0qcd3o8l70k0mkmgl...@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
> says...
>
> > Using a D300, I find I am losing my dislike of shooting at higher ISO.
> > I only think once before shooting at 1600. I find the benefits outway
>
> outweigh
Far out!
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Ray Fischer
>So, now all Canon has to do is find out what photographers actually want
>from their bodies, not what they think they want, bring those products to
>market and they will be back in the game (afterall, I don't think that
>anyone doubts Canon's technical/engineering capabilities, just their Yes Men
>Sales/Marketing Departments who have their heads buried in the sand (or up
>the CEO's arse)). If I was the CEO, I would make Chuck Westfall Head of
>Product Planning.
A few years ago it occurred ot mne that comanies like Canon and Nikon
could make money by selling firmware updates that added significant
new features to existing cameras. The firmware hack for the Digital
Rebel is an example of what they could have done.
Of course, the executives who run the camera divisions for these
companies are outdated morons who still haven't yet clued in on the
computer era and have not chosen to embrace this possibility.
>Mind you, sometimes I wonder if Canon and Nikon deliberately take turns
>though.
As one falls behind the other they get motivated.
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John McWilliams
> A few years ago it occurred ot mne that comanies like Canon and Nikon
> could make money by selling firmware updates that added significant
> new features to existing cameras. The firmware hack for the Digital
> Rebel is an example of what they could have done.
Oh, the humanity!!!!!
> Of course, the executives who run the camera divisions for these
> companies are outdated morons who still haven't yet clued in on the
> computer era and have not chosen to embrace this possibility.
Amazing how they've been able to muddle through without your advice.
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ASAAR
>> Using a D300, I find I am losing my dislike of shooting at higher ISO.
>> I only think once before shooting at 1600. I find the benefits outway
>
> outweigh
Wayan Cool, bro.
Eric Stevens
>In article <agc2t4dsb3o4ee0qc...@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>says...
>
>> Using a D300, I find I am losing my dislike of shooting at higher ISO.
>> I only think once before shooting at 1600. I find the benefits outway
>
>outweigh
Yep.
Blame my fingers. :-)
>
>> the problems of larger lens apertures and slower shutter speeds. I
>> have been known to shoot at even higher ISO :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Stevens
>>
Eric Stevens
Eric Stevens
I was able to download an update for my Nikon D70 which brought it up
to the spec of the D70s.
So, what's new?
Eric Stevens
Pete D
"Eric Stevens" <eric.s...@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
news:61o3t4p6or1ic9iq0...@4ax.com...
Huge upgrade that, lets see you use the infra red remote from the back of
the camera though or well a tethered remote for that matter.
Allen
"Alfred Molon" <alfred...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.243b70b59...@news.supernews.com...
> In article <agc2t4dsb3o4ee0qc...@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
> says...
>
>> Using a D300, I find I am losing my dislike of shooting at higher ISO.
>> I only think once before shooting at 1600. I find the benefits outway
>
> outweigh
way out? weigh out? whey out? Oh well!
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Alfred Molon
Interesting that a meaningless one-word post attracts so many responses.
ASAAR
>>> outweigh
>>
>> Wayan Cool, bro.
>
> Interesting that a meaningless one-word post attracts so many responses.
My English professor told me that it's a mechanism for coping with
the existential despair engendered by a forum that functions less as
a community that fosters the sharing of photographic knowledge and
growing of friendships than as a place to spend an inordinate amount
of time jousting with trolls, play the fanboy, nitpick and push
agendas. So when the opportunity comes to play with puns or share
some meaningless fun, it's a time-out, our version of last century's
Christmas Truce, where all are welcome to join in - even mortal,
virtual enemies that have FX, DX or 4/3 chips, be they Bayer or
Foveon, on our shoulders.
Eric Stevens
Lets see you do that kind of thing with a firmware upgrade on ANY
camera.
Eric Stevens
Bob Larter
Aargh! Please don't use the F-word here!
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