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Pat

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Mar 19, 2009, 11:33:22 AM3/19/09
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Hey, are you really a Mormon? If so, I have a question for you.

I like drinking Postum on occasion. Seems like they've discontinued
it for a while and you can't buy it any more except for outlandish
prices on Ebay.

Some of the articles said that it was a blow to the Mormon community
because it was the main replacement drink for coffee. Okay, that's a
non-Mormon-centric view to call it a "replacement" but I could explain
it otherwise so I'll apologize in advance.

Anyway, IIRC you're somewhere outside of Rochester.

Do you know of any decent substitutes that can be obtained "locally".
I'm way down in the Southern Tier so we don't have a lot of options
for an on-the-ground store. The Wegman's in Hornell had something but
they were out (according to the guy who works in the department, the
are perpetually out). I haven't been to Tops lately but I think they
are unlikely to have anything. Are they are other good options that
you know of?

Of course my other option is to mail order a few different drinks and
try them.

Just wondering what your thoughts were.

Pat.

Stormin Mormon

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Hey, are you really a Mormon? If so, I have a question for
you.

CY: Yes, joined the church about twenty years ago.

I like drinking Postum on occasion. Seems like they've
discontinued
it for a while and you can't buy it any more except for
outlandish
prices on Ebay.

CY: I heard someone else say that, a distant friend of mine.
I was able to find Postum on a Froogle search.

Some of the articles said that it was a blow to the Mormon
community
because it was the main replacement drink for coffee. Okay,
that's a
non-Mormon-centric view to call it a "replacement" but I
could explain
it otherwise so I'll apologize in advance.

CY: Yep, Postum, hot chocolate, and some of the herbal teas
are supposed to be OK. I'm not sure which herbal teas, I
havn't really asked about that.

Anyway, IIRC you're somewhere outside of Rochester.

CY: Yes, I'm in a suburb of Rochester. Fortunate to be able
to visit the historic sites now and again. And the Palmyra
Temple.

Do you know of any decent substitutes that can be obtained
"locally".
I'm way down in the Southern Tier so we don't have a lot of
options
for an on-the-ground store. The Wegman's in Hornell had
something but
they were out (according to the guy who works in the
department, the
are perpetually out). I haven't been to Tops lately but I
think they
are unlikely to have anything. Are they are other good
options that
you know of?

CY: I've been to the Weggies in Hornell. Just down the road
from Walmart. Farther into Hornell, there is a Rite Aid, if
I remember. I don't know if there is a Walgreens around.
Just east of the Wegmans, there is Aldis. They should have
hot chocolate, not sure about Postum. I doubt Postum, but
maybe some house brand of drink.

Of course my other option is to mail order a few different
drinks and
try them.

Just wondering what your thoughts were.

CY: When it's killer cold and I'm wanting a warm drink, hot
chocolate works for me. With sugar, and a bit of powdered
creamer (Wegmans brand).

Pat.


Pat

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On Mar 20, 9:05 am, "Stormin Mormon"

thanks

C J Campbell

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Mar 20, 2009, 2:17:51 PM3/20/09
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On 2009-03-19 08:33:22 -0700, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> said:

> Hey, are you really a Mormon? If so, I have a question for you.
>
> I like drinking Postum on occasion. Seems like they've discontinued
> it for a while and you can't buy it any more except for outlandish
> prices on Ebay.

Postum will probably not come back. Few, even among us 'Mormons' (we
prefer the term Latter-day Saints, or Saints) ever drank it. Seventh
Day Adventists also drank it. Hot chocolate and herbal 'teas' were
always more popular and still are. Personally, I hate the stuff.

You can make your own Postum. A recipe from Mother Earth News calls for
you to combine six cups of cracked wheat with a cup of milk, a half cup
of molasses, and a teaspoon of salt. Spread it thinly on a cookie sheet
and bake until brown in a 300º oven. Be careful not to let it burn.
Turn the heat off and leave it in the oven to dry to a crisp. Grind it
up in a coffee mill, store in sealed jars, and perk or drip like
regular coffee.

You can get cracked wheat from health food stores. Or you can use a
mixture of whole wheat flour and bran.

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Frank ess

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Mar 20, 2009, 3:53:54 PM3/20/09
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That's a nice piece of information for Postum users.

Everyone in my extended (is that a necessary modifier?) LDS family
drank Postum and Dr Pepper in the middle-late 1940s, Layton, Utah and
thereabouts. What I remember learning is that they were the drinks
that had no caffeine in them. Now I have to wonder if there was some
detheobrominated hot chocolate. Seems to me chocolate (Spanish, from
Nahuatl xocolatl : xococ, bitter + atl, water.) has a significant
caffeine-like effect due to its theobromine component. Each is a
stimulant; is one more bannable than another?

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Stormin Mormon

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Mar 20, 2009, 7:54:29 PM3/20/09
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Just for fun, I tried a Froogle search. No postum (modern
manufacture) to be found. Lots of antiques.

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Pat

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Mar 21, 2009, 2:15:09 PM3/21/09
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Ahh. The fundamental difference between LDS and Catholics. You don't
like caffeine while we serve wine halfway through Mass so the Irish
will come.

I guess I'm one of the few people who actually liked the taste of
Postum. It was a pleasant diversion from tea and coffee. I probably
have a half-dozen types of coffee in the house and maybe a dozen
different teas but sometimes Postum just hits the stop. I guess I'm
going to have to try one of the substitutes.

I wouldn't mind making my own but I don't want to add the brewing stop
every time. I'm wondering about brewing it in bulk and freeze drying/
dehydrating it. Then it would be "instant" like Postum but it would
also probably need some sort of anti-caking agent. I wonder how hard
that would be?

Allen

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Mar 21, 2009, 4:43:18 PM3/21/09
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Back in the 1930s there were many ads for a coffee substitute featuring
a character with a satanic look about him called "Mr. Coffee Nerves". I
am having trouble remembering if this was for Postum (my strongest
recollection) or some other product. Does anyone recall, or am I the
only one here who is old enough to go back that far?
Allen

Frank ess

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I'm sure I remember there being a "Mr Coffee Nerves", but I'm afraid
the visual image is blended with that of "Peter Pain" (Absorbine Jr?).

Stormin Mormon

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Mar 21, 2009, 4:53:28 PM3/21/09
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"Mormons" is so ninenteen seventies. Remember the ads, with
the narrator at the end? Brought to you by the Church......
the Mormons.

I've not tried Postum, so I don't know one way or the other.
I love hot chocolate, so that's not as much an issue.

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Stormin Mormon

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Mar 21, 2009, 4:56:47 PM3/21/09
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I don't know about back then, but Dr. Pepper now days has a
good stiff dose of caffeine. I found that out by accident
one hot summer night. I bought a two liter on the way home
from a hot day of work. Poured some over ice. I'd forgot how
much I loved the stuff. So, fill er up a couple more times.
I had a lot of trouble sleeping, that night.

From what I've been told, caffeine isn't the issue. Since
colas are personal choice. Something about tea and coffee,
but it hasn't really been explained to us yet.

The church has also recently spoken against the "energy
drinks" that are high in caffeine. The church magazine had
an article about energy drinks a couple months ago.

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Stormin Mormon

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Mar 21, 2009, 4:58:46 PM3/21/09
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I enjoy a polite religious joke now and again. Most of the
LDS jokes are a bit cultural specific, so others might not
get them.

Q: How many home teachers does it take to change a light
bulb?
A: Two, but it has to be late in the month.

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Stormin Mormon

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Mar 21, 2009, 5:00:10 PM3/21/09
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I wasn't alive for these ads, but I read in old magazines
that Chesterfields cure throat scratch. Lucky me, I'm
allergic to tobacco smoke. One less thing I had to give up,
to join the church.

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Pat

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Mar 21, 2009, 7:29:24 PM3/21/09
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On Mar 21, 4:56 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know about back then, but Dr. Pepper now days has a
> good stiff dose of caffeine. I found that out by accident
> one hot summer night. I bought a two liter on the way home
> from a hot day of work. Poured some over ice. I'd forgot how
> much I loved the stuff. So, fill er up a couple more times.
> I had a lot of trouble sleeping, that night.

I have ADD so caffeine has such a different effect on me that it isn't
funny. One evening I had a friend over and happened to make
espresso. He wanted some. The next day he called to complain that he
went home, cleaned the house, paid bills, etc. and stayed up 'till
4:00 AM and had to get up at 7:00 for work. He was wiped out. As for
me, I went to bed. Caffeine slows me down, not winds me up.

It is strange, but I have never thought that the LDS traditions (that
I know of) as being in any way weird. Who cares if you drink coffee.
I just think of it as "different strokes for different folks". It is
no stranger than what us Catholics do ... no meat on Fridays during
Lent, etc. or what Jews do. I've always been respectful of them
because I've always thought that if it's part of your religion, it
keeps your community together, and doesn't bother anyone else; then
it's not for me do decide what's strange or normal.

I had a friend over who was Jewish. He brought his kids. We had BBQ
chicken. He had never had it. Within his family tradition, it was
just something that they never ate. He didn't keep Kosher but if he
did, it was still possible to eat. He just didn't eat it. I guess we
all have our traditions and cultures.

BTW, do you remember the old Bob Newhart routine about Sir Walter
Raleigh telephoning his bosses back in England. We was trying to
explain how you took this plant, lit it on fire, stuck the burning
leaves near your face and breathed in the smoke. Then he ended, IIRC,
with saying that you don't even want to know about the bean that you
grind up, pour hot water over, and drink the broth.

Stormin Mormon

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I have ADD so caffeine has such a different effect on me
that it isn't
funny. One evening I had a friend over and happened to make
espresso. He wanted some. The next day he called to
complain that he
went home, cleaned the house, paid bills, etc. and stayed up
'till
4:00 AM and had to get up at 7:00 for work. He was wiped
out. As for
me, I went to bed. Caffeine slows me down, not winds me up.

CY: My cousin has an adopted boy who has ADD. Same thing.
Coffee perks up cousin, and calms down the boy (who is about
16 now).

It is strange, but I have never thought that the LDS
traditions (that
I know of) as being in any way weird. Who cares if you
drink coffee.
I just think of it as "different strokes for different
folks".

CY: I guess each group of people has a set of rules.

It is
no stranger than what us Catholics do ... no meat on Fridays
during
Lent, etc. or what Jews do. I've always been respectful of
them
because I've always thought that if it's part of your
religion, it
keeps your community together, and doesn't bother anyone
else; then
it's not for me do decide what's strange or normal.

CY: That's a good way to look at it. The different churches
and groups have different customs.

I had a friend over who was Jewish. He brought his kids.
We had BBQ
chicken. He had never had it. Within his family tradition,
it was
just something that they never ate. He didn't keep Kosher
but if he
did, it was still possible to eat. He just didn't eat it.
I guess we
all have our traditions and cultures.

CY: Hmm. I guess chicken would be kosher if not eaten with
milk? One family in my congregation are vegetarians. I
remember asking why, but they weren't very clear with their
answer.

BTW, do you remember the old Bob Newhart routine about Sir
Walter
Raleigh telephoning his bosses back in England. We was
trying to
explain how you took this plant, lit it on fire, stuck the
burning
leaves near your face and breathed in the smoke. Then he
ended, IIRC,
with saying that you don't even want to know about the bean
that you
grind up, pour hot water over, and drink the broth.

CY: No, but it sounds a bit like the humor Mark Twain used,
in his "Letter from the Earth". I bought a copy of that many
years ago, and really got a good laugh. I can easily imagine
someone thinking LDS folks are quite strange.

Stormin Mormon

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Mar 21, 2009, 7:46:01 PM3/21/09
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I presume you have heard the joke I heard so many years ago.
Still give me the giggles. About the very nervous new
priest. The older priest suggested martinis in his water
tumbler. After the sermon, the older priest corrected a list
of things.

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Stormin Mormon

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http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=mr+coffee+nerves+&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

And, Google to the rescue.

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Stormin Mormon

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During the salmonella crisis, I called that "Pooper pan". I
know, I'm not supposed to make potty jokes.

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=peter+pain+&btnG=Search+Images

I doubt we got the proper image, on Google.

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ASAAR

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On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:53:12 -0700, Frank ess wrote:

> I'm sure I remember there being a "Mr Coffee Nerves", but I'm afraid
> the visual image is blended with that of "Peter Pain" (Absorbine Jr?).

I used to see Ben-Gay's "Peter Pain" ads each week in the local
newspaper's Sunday comic section, and several years later listened
to Jean Shepherd's radio program where he'd spin tales of Peter Pain
(said to look like a pickle) and his arch nemesis, Mr. Ben-Gay. The
following tale is also on one of his old 33 1/3 LPs :

> Shep to me wasn't an unseen presence in a movie or an ink-on-paper
> author, but the late-night voice that came riding in to the
> accompaniment of Strauss' rollicking "Bahn Frei Polka," which
> both announced his arrival on WOR radio in New York and often
> provided the recurring bass line for the story of the evening, which
> generally was a childhood reminiscence, a gripe about Army life, or
> a Shepherd riff on some pet peeve or news report that he managed
> to tie in to some childhood memory from the 1930s or 1940s.
>
> One centered on the downfall of ancient advertising icon "Peter Pain,"
> a character now lost in the mists of time, whose perverse enjoyment
> of arthritis aches and discomfort could be seen in the Sunday comics
> sections of yore. Mr. Pain, a cartoon sadist, used his pitchfork to really
> make that shoulder and back hurt like the devil itself.
>
> As Shepherd told it, Mr. Pain's life was no bed of roses, either. He was
> the arch enemy of another cartoon figure, liniment product hero
> "Ben Gay," the swaggering personification of a large tube of ointment.
> Mr. Gay always delivered a timely comeuppance to the villainous
> Mr. Pain, who was sort of a scruffy, vaguely European, green,
> stubble-faced, derby wearing pickle. Now, THAT was advertising!
>
> One night, quite possibly bored out of his skull, Shepherd pondered
> aloud on Mr. Pain's continuous string of misfortunes at the hands of
> Mr. Gay. Harking back to a familiar theme in his monologues, that
> some unknowable force was out there, which was beyond our power
> to control and which was working in immutable, mysterious ways to
> make our lives miserable, was also perhaps even to blame for taking
> the bread out of the hands of so lowly a thing as an arthritis-loving pickle.
>
> "That's right, he's out of work now. He can't earn a nickel,"
> Shepherd mused after recalling yet another Sunday morning humiliation
> heaped on Peter Pain from the comic strips of his youth. "Every night,
> at 2 o'clock in the morning, you see old Pete out on Times Square,
> cadging pastrami sandwiches from those old, out-of-work, broken-down
> comics and strippers, dreaming about those great, old days in show biz.
>
> "You can talk about your discrimination. Was this because he was
> ... green? Oh, no. Because he was shaped like a pickle? Oh, no. It goes
> far deeper than that. We can't take it. We can't -- none of us can take it.
> You want to know where the real Pete Pain went and why he's out of
> work? Why he can't earn a nickel anymore?
>
> "They got this motivational research firm on the job and they went from
> coast to coast and they were trying to find out what was really happening,
> and they found out all right. They found out old Pete wasn't selling
> Ben Gay at all. No," said Shepherd.
>
> "He was selling pitchforks, and they were moving! They were really moving!"


http://www.mlive.com/opinion/muskegon/index.ssf/2008/12/a_christmas_story_about_a_chri.html


Some old newspaper Ben-Gay ads (small jpg files) :
http://i17.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/f5/84/4e92_1.JPG [1943 ad]
http://i24.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/f5/fa/d8a6_1.JPG [1944 ad]
http://i23.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/0e/a6/b3e2_1.JPG [1955 ad]

Pat

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On Mar 21, 7:44 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

I didn't find Bob Newhart doing it but I found some else who does an
acceptable job of it. You just have to image Bob Newhart's voice and
deadpan delivery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVaeKVSddHA

Stormin Mormon

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I'll admit, I don't see the connection between that video,
and Twain's letters. Perhaps I lack some historical
knowledge.

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