Re: Palestinians Under Attack
Stephen Bishop
>Dave <da...@durbs.koza> wrote:
>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>>Such as when YOU cal people anti-Semites and nazis for daring to criticize
>>>Israel, or when YOU call people terrorists for trying to defend
>>>themselves
>>
>>defending themselves (!) by killing innocent woman and children in
>>shopping centers?
>
>Yes, that is exactly what Israel has done. Hundreds of innocent
>people dead, killed by Israel "Defense" Forces.
Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
the other side.
To use the same phrase you use toward others, you are just a murderous
bigot who wants to see people die.
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Dave <da...@durbs.koza> wrote:
>>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>>Such as when YOU cal people anti-Semites and nazis for daring to criticize
>>>>Israel, or when YOU call people terrorists for trying to defend
>>>>themselves
>>>
>>>defending themselves (!) by killing innocent woman and children in
>>>shopping centers?
>>
>>Yes, that is exactly what Israel has done. Hundreds of innocent
>>people dead, killed by Israel "Defense" Forces.
>
>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>the other side.
Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Stephen Bishop
Define "few people."
Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
them in civilian areas.
Your "few people" are quite evil and don't help the Palestinians one
iota in their quest for statehood.
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>>>the other side.
>>
>>Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
>>You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
>>that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
>
>Define "few people."
Notice that everything that follows is YOU "pointing fingers at
the other side" in order to justify the "evil actions" of Israel.
>Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
>They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
>rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
Or they're some extremist faction that is taking advantage of
Israeli-imposed anarchy in order to vent at their oppressors.
>Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
>purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
And you know their purpose because you've been a member of their
organizations?
>Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
>smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
>them in civilian areas.
All of Gaza is "civilian areas".
>Your "few people" are quite evil
As opposed to the murderous thugs who deliberatly kill innocent people
by the hundreds and punish a million people because of the actions of
a few fanatics?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Stephen Bishop
>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>>>>the other side.
>>>
>>>Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
>>>You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
>>>that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
>>
>>Define "few people."
>
>Notice that everything that follows is YOU "pointing fingers at
>the other side" in order to justify the "evil actions" of Israel.
Notice that you refuse to respond to a simple request but instead
point fingers back in a lame attempt to dodge the issue.
>
>>Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
>>They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
>>rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
>
>Or they're some extremist faction that is taking advantage of
>Israeli-imposed anarchy in order to vent at their oppressors.
Hamas controls those rockets. Hamas is the elected government in
charge of Gaza.
But notice how you again point fingers at the other side to try to
justify the evil actions of some, by what you think others are doing.
>
>>Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
>>purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
>
>And you know their purpose because you've been a member of their
>organizations?
Obviously for you to ask such a question, you must think you already
have the answer. Tell me, Ray, why are they firing those rockets at
civilian areas if not only for the purpose of killing and terrorizing
civilians?
OBTW, it was just reported on the news this morning that your militant
friends have yet again broken the cease-fire by launching a
longer-range rocket into Israel.
>>Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
>>smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
>>them in civilian areas.
>
>All of Gaza is "civilian areas".
Then all of those civilian areas which are used for military purposes
are legitimate military targets.
>
>>Your "few people" are quite evil
>
>As opposed to the murderous thugs
As opposed to themselves. What you might think of others is a
different issue.
>who deliberatly kill innocent people
>by the hundreds and punish a million people because of the actions of
>a few fanatics?
That's your value judgement, not a fact.
You still haven't defined "few," Ray. What percentage of the
Palestinian population recognizes Israel's right to exist and truly
desires to live at peace with them? Surely you must know.
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>>>>>the other side.
>>>>
>>>>Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
>>>>You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
>>>>that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
>>>
>>>Define "few people."
>>
>>Notice that everything that follows is YOU "pointing fingers at
>>the other side" in order to justify the "evil actions" of Israel.
>
>Notice that you refuse to respond to a simple request but instead
And again you're pointing the fnger at me for highlighting your
hypocrisy.
>point fingers back in a lame attempt to dodge the issue.
If you don't know what "few people" means then you're truly stupid.
>>>Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
>>>They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
>>>rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
>>
>>Or they're some extremist faction that is taking advantage of
>>Israeli-imposed anarchy in order to vent at their oppressors.
>
>Hamas controls those rockets.
According to you, but you're a bigoted liar.
>>>Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
>>>purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
>>
>>And you know their purpose because you've been a member of their
>>organizations?
>
>Obviously for you to ask such a question, you must think you already
Why are you dodging the question?
>OBTW, it was just reported on the news this morning that your militant
>friends have yet again broken the cease-fire by launching a
>longer-range rocket into Israel.
What "cease fire", you lying asshole? Israel hasn't stopping killing
people.
>>>Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
>>>smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
>>>them in civilian areas.
>>
>>All of Gaza is "civilian areas".
>
>Then all of those civilian areas which are used for military purposes
>are legitimate military targets.
The neonazi justifies killing hundreds of inncoent people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Stephen Bishop
>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>>>>>>the other side.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
>>>>>You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
>>>>>that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
>>>>
>>>>Define "few people."
>>>
>>>Notice that everything that follows is YOU "pointing fingers at
>>>the other side" in order to justify the "evil actions" of Israel.
>>
>>Notice that you refuse to respond to a simple request but instead
>
>And again you're pointing the fnger at me for highlighting your
>hypocrisy.
What a stupid and bigoted statement, Ray.
>
>>point fingers back in a lame attempt to dodge the issue.
>
>If you don't know what "few people" means then you're truly stupid.
I know what I would mean by that, but I want you to tell me what *you*
mean.
>
>>>>Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
>>>>They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
>>>>rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
>>>
>>>Or they're some extremist faction that is taking advantage of
>>>Israeli-imposed anarchy in order to vent at their oppressors.
>>
>>Hamas controls those rockets.
>
>According to you, but you're a bigoted liar.
Says the bigoted liar.
So are you saying that Hamas does not control those rockets? Yes or
no.
>>>>Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
>>>>purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
>>>
>>>And you know their purpose because you've been a member of their
>>>organizations?
>>
>>Obviously for you to ask such a question, you must think you already
>
>Why are you dodging the question?
Quite a bold question to come from a question dodger like yourself.
Of course I'm not a member of that organization, it's a stupid
question.
Now, instead of being the lying sleazeball you are, Ray, why are you
dodging the question that I asked you? You know, the one you
clipped away like a childish brat. Here it is again: Tell me, Ray,
why are they firing those rockets at civilian areas if not only for
the purpose of killing and terrorizing civilians?
>
>>OBTW, it was just reported on the news this morning that your militant
>>friends have yet again broken the cease-fire by launching a
>>longer-range rocket into Israel.
>
>What "cease fire", you lying asshole? Israel hasn't stopping killing
>people.
You are truly ignorant in addition to being a rectally-obsessed bigot.
Read the news if you don't know.
>
>>>>Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
>>>>smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
>>>>them in civilian areas.
>>>
>>>All of Gaza is "civilian areas".
>>
>>Then all of those civilian areas which are used for military purposes
>>are legitimate military targets.
>
>The neonazi justifies killing hundreds of inncoent people.
Just as the self-righteous bigoted Ray does exactly the same. You
just chose which people you justify killing while you wildly accuse
others.
What you don't acknowledge is that by knowingly placing targets in
densly-populated civilian areas that they know will invite attack,
they deliberately justify the killing of their own people.
Even rival Palestinian terrorist group Fatah condemns Hamas for their
use of civilians:
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Ramallah – Ma’an – A senior leader within Fatah slammed what he called
“Hamas crimes against patriotic people” in the Gaza Strip Monday.
The comments come after a string of reports of human rights violations
committed by Palestinians against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip
during the Israeli war on Gaza.
The Undersecretary of the caretaker government’s Ministry of Prisoners
Affairs Ziyad Abu Ein spoke out against the rights violations and
accused Hamas of “terrorism,” and said they were preventing media
outlets in Gaza report on their crimes.
“Our people badly need a free press capable of protecting the truth,”
he said, noting that the truth was all that could counter the
“terrorist procedures against patriotic Palestinians.”
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Ray Fischer
>On 03 Feb 2009 19:12:16 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>>>>>>>the other side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
>>>>>>You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
>>>>>>that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
>>>>>
>>>>>Define "few people."
>>>>
>>>>Notice that everything that follows is YOU "pointing fingers at
>>>>the other side" in order to justify the "evil actions" of Israel.
>>>
>>>Notice that you refuse to respond to a simple request but instead
>>
>>And again you're pointing the fnger at me for highlighting your
>>hypocrisy.
>
>What a stupid and bigoted statement, Ray.
LOL! What a pathetic little troll you are.
>>>>>Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
>>>>>They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
>>>>>rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
>>>>
>>>>Or they're some extremist faction that is taking advantage of
>>>>Israeli-imposed anarchy in order to vent at their oppressors.
>>>
>>>Hamas controls those rockets.
>>
>>According to you, but you're a bigoted liar.
>
>Says the bigoted liar.
Oooo! The usual 4th-grade retort!
>>>>>Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
>>>>>purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
>>>>
>>>>And you know their purpose because you've been a member of their
>>>>organizations?
>>>
>>>Obviously for you to ask such a question, you must think you already
>>
>>Why are you dodging the question?
>
>Quite a bold question to come from a question dodger like yourself.
"I know you are but what am I?"
>Of course I'm not a member of that organization, it's a stupid
>question.
Then your claim is complete garbage. The usual hate and bigotry.
>>>OBTW, it was just reported on the news this morning that your militant
>>>friends have yet again broken the cease-fire by launching a
>>>longer-range rocket into Israel.
>>
>>What "cease fire", you lying asshole? Israel hasn't stopping killing
>>people.
>
>You are truly ignorant in addition to being a rectally-obsessed bigot.
I see that you don't even try to prove me wrong.
>>>>>Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
>>>>>smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
>>>>>them in civilian areas.
>>>>
>>>>All of Gaza is "civilian areas".
>>>
>>>Then all of those civilian areas which are used for military purposes
>>>are legitimate military targets.
>>
>>The neonazi justifies killing hundreds of inncoent people.
>
>Just as the self-righteous bigoted Ray does exactly the same.
Which is a stupid lie for a number of reasons, not ther least of which
is the fact that there haven't been hundreds of Israelis killed.
Only Israel has killed people by the hundreds and thousands.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Stephen Bishop
>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>On 03 Feb 2009 19:12:16 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospam...@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>>Again you justify the evil actions of one side by pointing fingers at
>>>>>>>>the other side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which is exactly what you have done again and again and again.
>>>>>>>You justifying killing hundreds of innocent people by claiming
>>>>>>>that Israel was justified because a few people fired rockets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Define "few people."
>>>>>
>>>>>Notice that everything that follows is YOU "pointing fingers at
>>>>>the other side" in order to justify the "evil actions" of Israel.
>>>>
>>>>Notice that you refuse to respond to a simple request but instead
>>>
>>>And again you're pointing the fnger at me for highlighting your
>>>hypocrisy.
>>
>>What a stupid and bigoted statement, Ray.
>
>LOL! What a pathetic little troll you are.
Says the pathetic little troll who constantly dodges and evades
questions.
>
>>>>>>Those "few people" aren't just some crackpots setting off fireworks.
>>>>>>They are working for the elected government of Gaza and firing those
>>>>>>rockets under their direction, dunderhead.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or they're some extremist faction that is taking advantage of
>>>>>Israeli-imposed anarchy in order to vent at their oppressors.
>>>>
>>>>Hamas controls those rockets.
>>>
>>>According to you, but you're a bigoted liar.
>>
>>Says the bigoted liar.
>
>Oooo! The usual 4th-grade retort!
Which is several steps up from your usual kindergarten level retorts
and potty language.
>
>>>>>>Those "few people" have fired thousands of rockets for the sole
>>>>>>purpose of killing and maiming Israeli civilians.
>>>>>
>>>>>And you know their purpose because you've been a member of their
>>>>>organizations?
>>>>
>>>>Obviously for you to ask such a question, you must think you already
>>>
>>>Why are you dodging the question?
>>
>>Quite a bold question to come from a question dodger like yourself.
>
> "I know you are but what am I?"
You're still dodging questions, bigot.
>
>>Of course I'm not a member of that organization, it's a stupid
>>question.
>
>Then your claim is complete garbage. The usual hate and bigotry.
And in your usual hate and bigotry, you ignore questions and make
false accusations that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians. How
would you know? Are you a member of the IDF?
What a transparent and sleazy liar you are.
>>>>OBTW, it was just reported on the news this morning that your militant
>>>>friends have yet again broken the cease-fire by launching a
>>>>longer-range rocket into Israel.
>>>
>>>What "cease fire", you lying asshole? Israel hasn't stopping killing
>>>people.
>>
>>You are truly ignorant in addition to being a rectally-obsessed bigot.
>
>I see that you don't even try to prove me wrong.
Interesting words from a sleazy lying bigot who constantly clips away
text and then claims it doesn't exist.
Here, again:
Even rival Palestinian terrorist group Fatah condemns Hamas for their
use of civilians:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ramallah – Ma’an – A senior leader within Fatah slammed what he called
“Hamas crimes against patriotic people” in the Gaza Strip Monday.
The comments come after a string of reports of human rights violations
committed by Palestinians against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip
during the Israeli war on Gaza.
The Undersecretary of the caretaker government’s Ministry of Prisoners
Affairs Ziyad Abu Ein spoke out against the rights violations and
accused Hamas of “terrorism,” and said they were preventing media
outlets in Gaza report on their crimes.
“Our people badly need a free press capable of protecting the truth,”
he said, noting that the truth was all that could counter the
“terrorist procedures against patriotic Palestinians.”
--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>>>>>Those "few people" are supported by a well-organized supply line that
>>>>>>smuggles weapons and supplies through underground tunnels and stores
>>>>>>them in civilian areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>All of Gaza is "civilian areas".
>>>>
>>>>Then all of those civilian areas which are used for military purposes
>>>>are legitimate military targets.
>>>
>>>The neonazi justifies killing hundreds of inncoent people.
>>
>>Just as the self-righteous bigoted Ray does exactly the same.
>
>Which is a stupid lie for a number of reasons, not ther least of which
>is the fact that there haven't been hundreds of Israelis killed.
>Only Israel has killed people by the hundreds and thousands.
You think that numbers justify your open hatred and bigotry.
But in fact, 1,117 people have been killed by Palestinian terrorist
attacks since 2000, both in Israel and abroad. The number of
wounded is 8,341. Many of these have been IDF personnel, but the
majority has been civilians.
Where is your outrage at all these deaths, Ray? Here is a list of
names:
But to you those people deserved to die because they were targets of
your terrorist friends who are mererly "fighting back against Israeli
oppression."
Patiently awaiting your reply where you either dismiss the evidence as
"lies" or again clip it away so you don't have to deal with it.