GodDamnStupidF------ Olympus!
RichA
about "developing" EVFs. We KNOW Olympus isn't going to spend $500M
on the technology to do that, so you are going to be buying them from
someone, likely, Panasonic. Well Panasonic ALREADY has a good EVF in
the G1, so what the F---- are you waiting for? PUT IT IN A MICRO
4/3rds body and STOP pretending using an LCD is a good experience for
ANYONE. I've got a D300, with an LCD better than anything that
Olympus uses and it SUCKS and is USELESS in the sun, hence, the need
for an OPTICAL or EVF viewfinder. DO you GET IT????!
HERE is the camera you SHOULD have built!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=32167142
Bruce
Olympus has made it clear that the E-P1 is just the first of a range of
Micro Four Thirds cameras. You will probably get your wish in one of
the subsequent models.
I am surprised you aren't praising Olympus for their decision to make
the E-P1 with a metal body. ;-)
Rich
But it ISN'T!!!!! It's an $800 PLASTIC nightmare clad in a thin sheet
of aluminum!!!!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=32170186
Chris H
s.com>, Rich <rande...@gmail.com> writes
>On Jun 18, 4:35�am, Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >HERE is the camera you SHOULD have built!
>>
>> Olympus has made it clear that the E-P1 is just the first of a range of
>> Micro Four Thirds cameras. �You will probably get your wish in one of
>> the subsequent models.
>>
>> I am surprised you aren't praising Olympus for their decision to make
>> the E-P1 with a metal body. ;-)
>
>But it ISN'T!!!!! It's an $800 PLASTIC nightmare clad in a thin sheet
>of aluminum!!!!
So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
generic term.
I remember some toys in my childhood that were a metal alloy that was
very cheap and appalling quality of mouldings. The plastic ones were far
superior.
Large parts of Nikon and Cannon cameras are plastic too... All you are
doing is showing your prejudice rather than any sensible point
--
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John Navas
in <6RQYSxIt...@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>:
>In message <9b011af2-8097-4351...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroup
>s.com>, Rich <rande...@gmail.com> writes
>>On Jun 18, 4:35�am, Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> I am surprised you aren't praising Olympus for their decision to make
>>> the E-P1 with a metal body. ;-)
>>
>>But it ISN'T!!!!! It's an $800 PLASTIC nightmare clad in a thin sheet
>>of aluminum!!!!
>
>So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
>luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
>generic term.
Large parts of modern aircraft and of racing sailboats are likewise
plastic composites, more advanced, stronger and lighter than metal.
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."
-Abraham Maslow
Savageduck
> In message <9b011af2-8097-4351...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroup
> s.com>, Rich <rande...@gmail.com> writes
>> On Jun 18, 4:35�am, Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HERE is the camera you SHOULD have built!
>>>
>>> Olympus has made it clear that the E-P1 is just the first of a range of
>>> Micro Four Thirds cameras. �You will probably get your wish in one of
>>> the subsequent models.
>>>
>>> I am surprised you aren't praising Olympus for their decision to make
>>> the E-P1 with a metal body. ;-)
>>
>> But it ISN'T!!!!! It's an $800 PLASTIC nightmare clad in a thin sheet
>> of aluminum!!!!
>
> So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
> luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
> generic term.
In some cases polycarbonates are far more durable than many metals. As
with alloys, plastic strength & durability depends on the formulation,
chemistry and gauge of the final product.
>
> I remember some toys in my childhood that were a metal alloy that was
> very cheap and appalling quality of mouldings. The plastic ones were far
> superior.
The Lionel trains, Dinkey and Corgi cars were always some of the finest
castings. There was a lot of crap cast from antinomy/tin alloy. The
thing I find amusing today is the knee jerk reaction to lead paint in
toys, I can remember when the entire toy was a lead casting! Those cast
lead soldiers are a valuable commodity today.
>
> Large parts of Nikon and Cannon cameras are plastic too... All you are
> doing is showing your prejudice rather than any sensible point
--
Regards,
Savageduck
John Navas
<savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
<2009061807455942612-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom>:
>On 2009-06-18 03:58:53 -0700, Chris H <ch...@phaedsys.org> said:
>> So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
>> luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
>> generic term.
>
>In some cases polycarbonates are far more durable than many metals. As
>with alloys, plastic strength & durability depends on the formulation,
>chemistry and gauge of the final product.
The better plastics are actually fiber-reinforced composites, with much
of the strength derived from the fiber (e.g., glass, carbon, Kevlar).
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ28 (and several others)
Savageduck
Agreed.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
J�rgen Exner
>On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:45:59 -0700, Savageduck
><savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
><2009061807455942612-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom>:
>
>>On 2009-06-18 03:58:53 -0700, Chris H <ch...@phaedsys.org> said:
>
>>> So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
>>> luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
>>> generic term.
Not to mention the Boing 787.
>The better plastics are actually fiber-reinforced composites, with much
>of the strength derived from the fiber (e.g., glass, carbon, Kevlar).
Interestingly enough Kevlar itself is a plastic, too.
jue
Neil Harrington
"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2009061807455942612-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>
> In some cases polycarbonates are far more durable than many metals.
Yup. They don't dent as easily (if at all) for one thing. I have a couple of
lightly dinged metal cameras but have never owned or even seen a dented
polycarbonate body.
Eric Stevens
I remember the sales pitch when the agents were trying to sell
polycarbonate for school windows. They challenged any sceptic to try
and break the window with a sledge hammer. Nobody succeeded.
Porsche use polycarbonate for windscreens in some cars.
Most cars now use polycarbonate headlamp lenses. It's years since I've
seen a headlamp lens damaged by a flying stone.
Eric Stevens
Rich
Sure. They crack or shatter instead, making them unusable.
Rich
It cost me $500 to replace an entire fan system, replace coolant when
a stone punched through the plastic rad fan, and seized the fan,
causing the engine to overheat.
J. Clarke
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:55:34 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
> <sec...@illumnati.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>> news:2009061807455942612-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In some cases polycarbonates are far more durable than many metals.
>>
>> Yup. They don't dent as easily (if at all) for one thing. I have a
>> couple of lightly dinged metal cameras but have never owned or even
>> seen a dented polycarbonate body.
>>
> I remember the sales pitch when the agents were trying to sell
> polycarbonate for school windows. They challenged any sceptic to try
> and break the window with a sledge hammer. Nobody succeeded.
>
> Porsche use polycarbonate for windscreens in some cars.
Some race cars perhaps. While it's light and shatter resistant, on a road
car the windshield wipers would scratch the Hell out of it in no time. On a
race car it only has to last one race.
Neil Harrington
I've never seen it, and I suspect any impact that would "crack or shatter" a
polycarbonate body would likely make a metal one unusable also.
John Navas
wrote in <h1erf...@news2.newsguy.com>:
>Eric Stevens wrote:
>> Porsche use polycarbonate for windscreens in some cars.
>
>Some race cars perhaps. While it's light and shatter resistant, on a road
>car the windshield wipers would scratch the Hell out of it in no time.
Hard coatings are applied to polycarbonate to resist scratching and
weathering in applications like autos, eyeglasses, etc.
>On a
>race car it only has to last one race.
More like one season.
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
John Navas
wrote in
<398711ad-b954-4f62...@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com>:
What are used are composites, which are extremely resistant to impact
damage. <http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/FiberForge/>
Below the fold is another video of Amory from Discovery Times
Channel's Addicted to Oil. The video includes a visit by New York
Times' Thomas Friedman to FiberForge. He tries to break a carbon
fiber car part with a hammer and lifts a carbon fiber car door with
just one hand.
Rich
news:M8qdncXhPoovb6fX...@giganews.com:
Be interesting to test this theory.
Bowser
"J�rgen Exner" <jurg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gstk35910vrbq3opi...@4ax.com...
Anyone else here old enough to remember Goodyear's commercials showing a
railroad care being lifted by a kevlar "rope?"
John Turco
>
> In message <9b011af2-8097-4351...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroup
> s.com>, Rich <rande...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Jun 18, 4:35 am, Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >> RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >HERE is the camera you SHOULD have built!
> >>
> >> Olympus has made it clear that the E-P1 is just the first of a range of
> >> Micro Four Thirds cameras. You will probably get your wish in one of
> >> the subsequent models.
> >>
> >> I am surprised you aren't praising Olympus for their decision to make
> >> the E-P1 with a metal body. ;-)
> >
> >But it ISN'T!!!!! It's an $800 PLASTIC nightmare clad in a thin sheet
> >of aluminum!!!!
>
> So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
> luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
> generic term.
>
> I remember some toys in my childhood that were a metal alloy that was
> very cheap and appalling quality of mouldings. The plastic ones were far
> superior.
Hello, Chris:
During the 1960's, I recall taking apart some of my metal, Japanese-made
toy cars, and discovering that their bodies were crafted from soup cans
(e.g., "Campbell's")! The painted-on labelling was still intact, on the
undersides.
> Large parts of Nikon and Cannon cameras are plastic too... All you are
> doing is showing your prejudice rather than any sensible point
Now, don't let Rich Anderson's incessant trolling provoke you. He's just
a poor, functionally-illiterate garbage man/ditch digger, residing in
the frigid Canadian wilderness...I suspect that his abnormally small (and
highly defective) brain, was further and irreversibly damaged by frostbite,
decades ago. <G>
Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>
John Turco
<heavily edited for brevity>
> The Lionel trains, Dinkey and Corgi cars were always some of the finest
> castings. There was a lot of crap cast from antinomy/tin alloy. The
> thing I find amusing today is the knee jerk reaction to lead paint in
> toys, I can remember when the entire toy was a lead casting! Those cast
> lead soldiers are a valuable commodity today.
<edited>
Hello, Savageduck:
Away back when, I only owned one Lionel and "American Flyer" electric
train set, apiece. They weren't the really large-scale versions, either,
and had plastic-bodied locomotives and cars; fun to use, regardless.
As for die cast vehicles, please don't forget these hallowed names:
Burago
Ertl
Hot Wheels
Johnny Lightning
Matchbox
TootsieToy
Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>
John Turco
Hello, Rich:
You're almost correct, for once. The Kodak DC4800 (introduced during 2000)
gained a bit of notoriety, among a small percentage of its owners, due to a
certain design flaw: Its plastic body would develop cracks (and sometimes,
even, severe ones).
Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>
Eric Stevens
wrote:
>Chris H wrote:
>>
>> In message <9b011af2-8097-4351...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroup
>> s.com>, Rich <rande...@gmail.com> writes
>> >On Jun 18, 4:35 am, Bruce <n...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> >> RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >HERE is the camera you SHOULD have built!
>> >>
>> >> Olympus has made it clear that the E-P1 is just the first of a range of
>> >> Micro Four Thirds cameras. You will probably get your wish in one of
>> >> the subsequent models.
>> >>
>> >> I am surprised you aren't praising Olympus for their decision to make
>> >> the E-P1 with a metal body. ;-)
>> >
>> >But it ISN'T!!!!! It's an $800 PLASTIC nightmare clad in a thin sheet
>> >of aluminum!!!!
>>
>> So what? The Space Shuttle is made of plastic in many areas as are most
>> luxury cars. Saying it is "plastic" is like saying it's "metal" a
>> generic term.
>>
>> I remember some toys in my childhood that were a metal alloy that was
>> very cheap and appalling quality of mouldings. The plastic ones were far
>> superior.
>
>Hello, Chris:
>
>During the 1960's, I recall taking apart some of my metal, Japanese-made
>toy cars, and discovering that their bodies were crafted from soup cans
>(e.g., "Campbell's")! The painted-on labelling was still intact, on the
>undersides.
The sheet metal to make steel cans is preprinted before forming. It is
probable that your toy was made of unused but pre-printed sheet left
over at the end of a production run.
This is not the case for modern one-piece beer cans which are printed
after forming.
>
>> Large parts of Nikon and Cannon cameras are plastic too... All you are
>> doing is showing your prejudice rather than any sensible point
>
>Now, don't let Rich Anderson's incessant trolling provoke you. He's just
>a poor, functionally-illiterate garbage man/ditch digger, residing in
>the frigid Canadian wilderness...I suspect that his abnormally small (and
>highly defective) brain, was further and irreversibly damaged by frostbite,
>decades ago. <G>
>
>
>Cordially,
> John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>
Eric Stevens
John Turco
>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:19:33 -0500, John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>
> wrote:
<edited for brevity>
> >During the 1960's, I recall taking apart some of my metal, Japanese-made
> >toy cars, and discovering that their bodies were crafted from soup cans
> >(e.g., "Campbell's")! The painted-on labelling was still intact, on the
> >undersides.
>
> The sheet metal to make steel cans is preprinted before forming. It is
> probable that your toy was made of unused but pre-printed sheet left
> over at the end of a production run.
>
> This is not the case for modern one-piece beer cans which are printed
> after forming.
<edited>
Hello, Eric:
You may be right! I'm in the U.S.A., and back then, Japanese manufacturers
were still struggling for respect. Some Americans (myself included) merely
assumed that Japan was recycling actual U.S. trash, such as empty food cans.
Cordially,
John Turco <jt...@concentric.net>