Red Drool
Evad Remlu
See:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/13/more-red-scarlet-and-epic-pics-sure-to-induce-drool/
I love to see an American company trash the camera status quo.
Enjoy!
ER
Evad Remlu
http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/13/reds-digital-still-and-motion-camera-system-now-official/
WOW!
ER
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Me Here
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either Nikon or Canon mount. Note that does NOT include the EVF, it's just
the sensor module. But add the EVF ($3K) the battery ($450), the CF Module
($500) to the recorder and the I/O module (no price found)
So for about USD $20K you have a big bulky 24x36mm 24 megapixel with no
lens. The unti is around the size of a Mamiya RZ67, and looks cumbersome to
use.
AND IT IS NOT A dSLR!
RichA
> "Evad Remlu" <mrmsatell...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:gfh6s0$bvh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...> Red cameras?
>
> > See:
>
> > I love to see an American company trash the camera status quo.
>
> > Enjoy!
>
> > ER
>
> Hmmmm, a year until delivery, USD $12,000 for a 24 mp non-dSLR body in
> either Nikon or Canon mount. Note that does NOT include the EVF, it's just
> the sensor module. But add the EVF ($3K) the battery ($450), the CF Module
> ($500) to the recorder and the I/O module (no price found)
>
> So for about USD $20K you have a big bulky 24x36mm 24 megapixel with no
> lens. The unti is around the size of a Mamiya RZ67, and looks cumbersome to
> use.
>
> AND IT IS NOT A dSLR!
Oh dear! Not a DSLR! How will they ever manage to use it? I love
the way new designs scare the F--- out of the shambling old SLR
brigade.
"I remember, I think it was 1962, I got my first Nikon, cough, cough,
we used 200 ASA Tri-X and were GLAD to have it!" Hack, cough.
Me Here
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designed for ease of use. Canon 5D mk.II and the Sony A900 pretty well beat
it in ergonomics. The Leica S2 has it beat in resolution, and in glass. The
Leica, Canon and Sony are self-contained cameras...
Rich
> "RichA" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Most of that is personal opinion, I'd like to see a test on Red glass
though.
Me Here
"Rich" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Red makes this item with Nikon or Canon mount, they have a small number of
cine lenses listed on their website. What part of big, bulky is personal
opinion? Look at the specs, look at the camera.
Rich
> "Rich" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You might have a point, it looks like some pros may be reconsidering
the need for sheer mass with the advent of smaller, "near pro" cameras
like the Nikon D700.
Alan Browne
> news:gfh6s0$bvh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Red cameras?
>>
>> See:
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/13/more-red-scarlet-and-epic-pics-sure-to-induce-drool/
>>
>> I love to see an American company trash the camera status quo.
Heavier. More expensive. Cumbersome looking.
Yeah, that poor status quo must be trembling. Maybe RED's designers
come from GM?
Me Here added:
> Hmmmm, a year until delivery, USD $12,000 for a 24 mp non-dSLR body in
> either Nikon or Canon mount. Note that does NOT include the EVF, it's just
> the sensor module. But add the EVF ($3K) the battery ($450), the CF Module
> ($500) to the recorder and the I/O module (no price found)
>
> So for about USD $20K you have a big bulky 24x36mm 24 megapixel with no
> lens. The unti is around the size of a Mamiya RZ67, and looks cumbersome to
> use.
>
> AND IT IS NOT A dSLR!
How do you know? It may use a prism to form the viewfinder image
(common in cine), so that would make it a dSLR. (eg: like a Canon EOS
1n pelicule).
OTOH, it looks like somebody at design school slept through the entire
"Less is more" semester.
By the time this thing is on the market, Canon will likely have jumped
to 28, 30 ... whatever.
And Nikon may indeed be up where the a900 is at by then too, or beyond.
And both will be considerably cheaper, lighter and more practical.
What RED is doing is _good_ for all of us who espouse FF cameras. There
was one. Then two. Now three and next year a fourth FF player.
Competition breeds innovation.
Congrats RED. Go fer it!!!
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Evad Remlu
their competition Panavision.
It costs around $15,000 per month to rent a Panavision film camera. You
apparently can't buy them. The cost and workflow with film processing is
also quite expensive.
Most movies are still shot in Panavision but Red is on the way!
ER
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David J. Littleboy
"Alan Browne" <alan....@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> What RED is doing is _good_ for all of us who espouse FF cameras. There
> was one. Then two. Now three and next year a fourth FF player.
I don't get the interest in Red in dSLR/dcam circles. It makes the heaviest
and most awkward of the MF + back combinations seem svelte, and probably
affordable by the time you've actually put a system together.
The weight, bulk, and price of the Red systems make them irrelevant for
still photography. It's a movie camera that happens to take stills, and as
such, will only be used by movie camera types.
The 5DII, as a still camera that happens to take movies, will be more of a
threat to Red than Red is to even MF digital, since the 5DII coughs up as
good video quality as can be used outside a theater and is lighter and a lot
cheaper than Red.
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bugbear
> "Alan Browne" <alan....@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> What RED is doing is _good_ for all of us who espouse FF cameras. There
>> was one. Then two. Now three and next year a fourth FF player.
>
> I don't get the interest in Red in dSLR/dcam circles. It makes the heaviest
> and most awkward of the MF + back combinations seem svelte, and probably
> affordable by the time you've actually put a system together.
Yeah - modular is only a benefit if at least
some of the combinations are either unavailable
otherwise, or more expensive otherwise.
Modularity (having to design and manufacture
all those joints and connectors, both
optical, mechanical and electrical)
always increases costs.
BugBear
Alan Browne
Yes. See my other reply (to "Me") in this regards.
Annika1980
> lens.
You forgot one little feature ..... 100 fps.
Paul Furman
> ...It's a movie camera that happens to take stills, and as
> such, will only be used by movie camera types.
>
> The 5DII, as a still camera that happens to take movies, will be more of a
> threat to Red than Red is to even MF digital, since the 5DII coughs up as
> good video quality as can be used outside a theater and is lighter and a lot
> cheaper than Red.
It might be popular with pro sport photogs for the high frame rate.
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