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the donny

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Feb 20, 2009, 7:30:56 PM2/20/09
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Hi. I just purchased a Canon A2000IS. I really like it except for
one thing. In sunlight, it is very hard to see the screen on the
back. There is no viewfinder. I framed a shot today, and had
difficulty seeing, and the shot came out on an angle. Is there a
simple solution to the glare? Sunglasses?

Nicko

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Feb 20, 2009, 7:51:19 PM2/20/09
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Put a linear polarizing filter over the screen, and wear sunglasses
that are polarized ninety degrees offset from this polarizer. This
should do the trick.

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YOP...

WW

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Feb 20, 2009, 10:16:03 PM2/20/09
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"the donny" <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Google for delkin.com. They have a flip up cover to go over screen. I have
4 digi cameras and have this installed on all of them. Inexpensive. WW


Jürgen Exner

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Feb 21, 2009, 2:10:23 AM2/21/09
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the donny <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi. I just purchased a Canon A2000IS. I really like it except for
>one thing. In sunlight, it is very hard to see the screen on the
>back. There is no viewfinder. I framed a shot today, and had
>difficulty seeing, and the shot came out on an angle.

Welcome to the world of modern P&S.

>Is there a
>simple solution to the glare? Sunglasses?

Simple? Yes. Cheap? No.
Get a camera with an optical viewfinder. Yes, they are harder and harder
to find.

jue

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 2:35:46 AM2/21/09
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.. although all DSLRs have an optical viewfinder. <G>

Seriously, this is one reason to try the camera in the shop (and just
outside) /before/ you buy. Some cameras are much better than others in
sunlight. Take the camera back to the shop, and try different models.

David

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 2:49:45 AM2/21/09
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Another solution would be a camera with an electronic viewfinder (EVF),
which allows you to bring your camera to the eye rather than looking at a
screen on the back of the camera. However, these tend to be the more
complex, heavy and expensive models.

David

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 3:52:45 AM2/21/09
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A bit late to correct that problem now, but make a list of things you
don't like on this camera, and keep it for when you shop for another, as
you probably will, so you can remember to pick one with an optical
viewfinder next time, if any of them still have that feature in a few
years. sigh.
As for holding the camera level... some people just can't, and others
have no trouble doing this.

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 3:53:57 AM2/21/09
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Trying a camera before you buy it, outside the shop, may be interpreted
as shoplifting!

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 3:54:42 AM2/21/09
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And most of them have really lousy resolution in the viewfinder.

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 7:00:12 AM2/21/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
[]

>> Seriously, this is one reason to try the camera in the shop (and just
>> outside) /before/ you buy. Some cameras are much better than others
>> in sunlight. Take the camera back to the shop, and try different
>> models. David
>>
> Trying a camera before you buy it, outside the shop, may be
> interpreted as shoplifting!

I assume a basic level of common-sense, and actually /asking/ the shop
assistant for permission before trying the camera outside! <G> I've
never had such a request refused.

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 7:01:38 AM2/21/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
[]

> As for holding the camera level... some people just can't, and others
> have no trouble doing this.

I find it useful to turn on the gridlines in the viewfinder, both to help
level the camera and to help in composition.

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 7:10:02 AM2/21/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
[]
>> Another solution would be a camera with an electronic viewfinder
>> (EVF), which allows you to bring your camera to the eye rather than
>> looking at a screen on the back of the camera. However, these tend
>> to be the more complex, heavy and expensive models.
>>
>> David
>>
> And most of them have really lousy resolution in the viewfinder.

Yes, that's a real problem. The best I've ver used was the VGA 640 x 480
resolution finder ("over 900,000 pixels" - actually 307,200 RGB pixels!)
of the Minolta A2, and at least one camera now has a 1.4MP display
(approximately 1385 x 1039 pixels)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg1/

which could be really quite good to use, although I've never had the
chance to look through one.

Cheers,
David

Bent Attorney Esq.

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Feb 21, 2009, 3:01:05 PM2/21/09
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On Feb 21, 7:01 am, "David J Taylor" <david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-

That's a good simple idea. I'll try it. I don't want to return this
camera as I like all of its other features.
If turning on the gridlines doesn't work(although I think it will help
quite a bit), I'll try a shade etc.

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 4:29:58 PM2/21/09
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Bent Attorney Esq. wrote:
[]

> That's a good simple idea. I'll try it. I don't want to return this
> camera as I like all of its other features.
> If turning on the gridlines doesn't work(although I think it will help
> quite a bit), I'll try a shade etc.

I'm only suggesting the gridlines to help level the image, not to make it
more visible. I hope that was obvious.

Cheers,
David

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 4:50:44 PM2/21/09
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You must deal with more trusting people than I do, or maybe I just look
dishonest...
Grin.

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 4:52:09 PM2/21/09
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Given how tiny the screens in a EVF are, that should be pretty sharp and
clear. But how much does the camera cost?

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 6:39:27 PM2/21/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> David J Taylor wrote:
[]
>> Yes, that's a real problem. The best I've ver used was the VGA 640
>> x 480 resolution finder ("over 900,000 pixels" - actually 307,200
>> RGB pixels!) of the Minolta A2, and at least one camera now has a
>> 1.4MP display (approximately 1385 x 1039 pixels)
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg1/
>>
>> which could be really quite good to use, although I've never had the
>> chance to look through one.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
> Given how tiny the screens in a EVF are, that should be pretty sharp
> and clear. But how much does the camera cost?

About US $600-$700 according to DP Review, Ron. The camera is an
interchangeable-lens DSLR-like model.

Cheers,
David

David J Taylor

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Feb 21, 2009, 6:42:11 PM2/21/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
[]

>>> Trying a camera before you buy it, outside the shop, may be
>>> interpreted as shoplifting!
>>
>> I assume a basic level of common-sense, and actually /asking/ the
>> shop assistant for permission before trying the camera outside! <G>
>> I've never had such a request refused.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
> You must deal with more trusting people than I do, or maybe I just
> look dishonest...
> Grin.

Maybe this is because I'm dealing with a fairly small but specialised
photo dealer, although one of a chain. Not some huge sells everything
electronic and photographic emporium. I may have to leave my wife inside
the shop as security! <G>

Cheers,
David

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 8:53:45 PM2/21/09
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Hummm. Sort of a hybrid of DSLR and Super-Zoom, I guess, but a bit on
the high end of the price range for Super-Zooms.

Ron Hunter

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Feb 21, 2009, 8:54:42 PM2/21/09
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Some people might not consider that adequate guarantee.... Grin.

David J Taylor

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Feb 22, 2009, 2:25:37 AM2/22/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
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>>>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg1/
[]

> Hummm. Sort of a hybrid of DSLR and Super-Zoom, I guess, but a bit on
> the high end of the price range for Super-Zooms.

Yes, Ron, it will be interesting to see whether the "Micro four-thirds"
system works out well or whether, like the Sony R1, it turns out to be a
one-camera wonder. I like the bigger sensor (for high ISO), and I like
the compact size of the kit (something many crop-sensor DSLRs haven't
really achieved). Haven't had the chance to look through the viewfinder
yet, though.

Cheers,
David

Ron Hunter

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Feb 22, 2009, 3:44:11 AM2/22/09
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The few EVF cameras I have seen just didn't 'cut it' for me. I
recognize that there are some nice features, but things like delay, loss
of color in low light, and generally low resolution, really put me off
on them.

David J Taylor

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Feb 22, 2009, 4:45:22 AM2/22/09
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Ron Hunter wrote:
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> The few EVF cameras I have seen just didn't 'cut it' for me. I
> recognize that there are some nice features, but things like delay,
> loss of color in low light, and generally low resolution, really put
> me off on them.

I found them only just tolerable - but they were devices with about 100 -
200 thousand "pixels" in the viewfinder. The Panasonic G1 (if measured on
the same basis) has over 4 millions "pixels", so should be very
significantly better.

Cheers,
David

Ron Hunter

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Feb 23, 2009, 4:00:34 AM2/23/09
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I am concerned about the delay. When I tried an EVF camera, panning
made me a bit dizzy as the image didn't keep up with the pan. That, and
switching to gray-scale in low light (way before my eyes lost color),
coupled with low resolution caused me to shelve any plans to buy such a
camera. Maybe I will look again when/if I need another digital camera.
With the current trend away from viewfinders, in general, I am not
hopeful that I will be able to find a camera in my price range with ANY
kind of viewfinder.

Chris Malcolm

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Feb 23, 2009, 2:30:05 PM2/23/09
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Cheap: wear a black shirt. If not enough use a hat to shade the camera
screen. If not enough throw a black cloth over both camera and
head. That always works.

--
Chris Malcolm

Paul Furman

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Feb 23, 2009, 5:34:24 PM2/23/09
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A black Zorro cape would be perfect for this <g>.

Seriously though, yes shirt color makes a huge difference.

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Ron Hunter

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Feb 24, 2009, 3:59:44 AM2/24/09
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I think I have seen that somewhere.... Brings back the old 'view
cameras' of a century or two ago. The more things change, the more they
stay the same. Grin.

WW

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Feb 24, 2009, 10:39:13 AM2/24/09
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Just leave your driver license with them. WW


Jürgen Exner

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Feb 24, 2009, 10:57:16 AM2/24/09
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Unless you are wearing polarized sunglasses to reduce glare. Then
there's no hope of viewing an LCD screen.

jue

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