Obama enamored with Lincoln but he is WRONG
HEMI - Powered
he freed the slaves. Except that this is WRONG. Lincoln did NOT
free ANY slaves by law. The Emancipation Proclamation had NO force
of law and was ENTIRELY designed to foment discord amongst the
slaves in the Confederate states into rebellion and running away.
In fact, it took the 13th Amendment to actually free all current
and future slaves. It wasn't ratified until December 6, 1865, AFTER
Lincoln had been assassinated. It had been passed by Congress
earlier that year, but of course, the Confederates didn't
acknowledge that. And, it took the ratification of the 14th and
15th Amendments to fully define the rights of former slaves, now
citizens.
But, what is REALLY wrong with the Obamanation's ideas about
Lincoln is that Lincoln had NO - repeat, NO - notion nor intention
to free ANY slaves. His ONLY intent was to preserve the union. It
is instructive to read what Lincoln actually said on this subject
in a letter to Horace Greeey on August 22, 1862, early in the Civil
War:
"I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the
Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored;
the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be
those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same
time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who
would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy
slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this
struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to
destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any
slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the
slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and
leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery,
and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the
Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it
would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall
believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more
whenever".
Hussein is NOT to be believed in ANYTHING he says. Let's start with
his upbringing, education, and writings that show he is a Marxist
and will govern as an old-fashioned tax-and-spend liberal, a Far
Left Loon, and a Green Nazi. He WILL usurp even more of YOUR rights
and freedoms in the name of what all Marxists really want - raw
power. He WILL institute marriage for the queers, pass legislation
to outlaw internal combustion automobiles, legislate/regulate coal-
fired electrical power plants out of existance, and go on the most
massive transfer of wealth since FDR's New Deal.
In other words, he WILL confiscate YOUR hard-earned money and give
it to the lazy and the stupid and he WILL destroy our economy, NOT
rescue it.
Don't believe me, then you'd best start learning what is REALLY in
Hussein's stimulus package which is nearing the $850 BILLION size.
His notion of "green jobs" is absurd, there is NO real need to do
so but more importantly, there is NO technology nor ANY
infrastructure to support that. Likewise, his idiotic notion of
using repairs to the nation's infrastructure is doomed to failure
just as FDR found out. Worse, his tax reduction is so SMALL when
looked at in a paycheck manner - LESS than $20/week - that there
will be NO stimulus effect whatsoever. Just a massive increase in
the national debt.
And, another of Hussein's misguided Lincoln-esque ideas was the
train ride from Philadelphia to Washington. I hope that all of
those citizens disadvantaged by the security aspects of this highly
political trip will be so pissed off at him that they will rise up
and defeat his many ninnyhammer ideas and defeat him by a landslide
in 2012.
I hope that all the Loons who're already standing in the icy cold
temperatures in the vain hope of hearing new hope at noon today get
exactly what they deserve - MORE rhetoric, MORE empty promises, and
MORE non-implementable ideas. What is tragic is that the 47% of the
people who did NOT vote for Hussein will also have to suffer under
his The One, The Messiah, the Marxist rule of a new king. Until
2010, that is, when the conservatives WILL retake Congress and when
the conservative courts WILL strike down his un-Constitutional
ideas just like they did to FDR.
Yes, Hussein is taking a page out of his hero's, Lincoln, playbook.
Just too bad he's so pathologically stupid and misguided as to NOT
even understand what Lincoln was all about.
--
HP, aka Jerry
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan
Cynicor
> Hussein
OK, who read past here?
HEMI - Powered
> HEMI - Powered wrote:
>> Hussein
>
> OK, who read past here?
>
Those who WANT to learn the truth. If you want to bury your head in
the sand, then stop, but be aware that YOU are the ignorant one I was
talking about, fool!
Floyd L. Davidson
>HEMI - Powered wrote:
Why read past here...
>> Hussein
>
>OK, who read past here?
--
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
Neil Harrington
I did, for one. He's right, though it is a little off topic.
Nobody
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> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
And what does this CRAP have to do with digital photography?
Nobody
"HEMI - Powered" <no...@none.supernews> wrote in message
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> HEMI - Powered wrote:
>>> Hussein
>>
>> OK, who read past here?
>>
> Those who WANT to learn the truth. If you want to bury your head in
> the sand, then stop, but be aware that YOU are the ignorant one I was
> talking about, fool!
>
a photo group. There are tonnes of politics forums to post to, perhaps you
should read the charters.
MORON!
HEMI - Powered
jour ...
>> OK, who read past here?
>
> I did, for one. He's right, though it is a little off topic.
>
Agreed, but many others have opined that MANY things are discussed
here other than pure photography. Everyone is free to express
themselves if protected by the First Amendment.
Have a nice day!
HEMI - Powered
> And what does this CRAP have to do with digital photography?
>
Two things: there are LOT of PHOTOGRAPHS of Lincoln and Obama and
there will be LOTS more, many of them presuming to say that this is
some sort of historic occasion which it is not. SOME of the
PHOTOGRAPHS that are making the rounds either on the Internet/Usenet
or on TV are patently either false or misleading, so my intent was to
put it all into some perspective.
Thanks for your comments and have a nice day!
bowzer
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>
>> HEMI - Powered wrote:
>>> Hussein
>>
>> OK, who read past here?
>>
> Those who WANT to learn the truth. If you want to bury your head in
> the sand, then stop, but be aware that YOU are the ignorant one I was
> talking about, fool!
Your truth. No citations to support anything?
BTW, I do agree with your sig. Big government is a huge problem, and nobody
increased that government more than the last guy. Glad to see him leave.
Very glad.
HEMI - Powered
>> Those who WANT to learn the truth. If you want to bury your
>> head in the sand, then stop, but be aware that YOU are the
>> ignorant one I was talking about, fool!
>
> Your truth. No citations to support anything?
NO, THE truth. Start with looking at Obama's OWN web site BEFORE he
redacted it after the election. Then, read the various books about
him PRIOR to the election. Finally, look to Sean Hannity's two-part
episodes of Hannity's America which show the unusual persons Obama
knew as a youth, teen, young adult, at Harvard Law and to this day.
Enough for you yet?
> BTW, I do agree with your sig. Big government is a huge problem,
> and nobody increased that government more than the last guy.
> Glad to see him leave. Very glad.
>
It's OK by me that many people don't like Bush. I don't think much
of him, either, just MORE than his two opponents. But, IF you can
think at all creatively and completely and can comprehend what
Obama promised during the campaign AND what he has said since the
election, you can't help but conclude that this will be BY FAR the
most Left, Liberal and Loon Administration since LBJ. And we know
what happened to him!
Deep Reset
"HEMI - Powered" <no...@none.supernews> wrote in message
> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
But is he a fan of Canon or Nikon?
HEMI - Powered
...
>> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably
because
>
> But is he a fan of Canon or Nikon?
>
I'd have to say he'd be a fan of an 8 x 10 view camera as used by
Matthew Brady in taking Civil War photographs, wouldn't you?
One might observe that even talking about the ever interesting
religious debate of which is better, Nikon or Canon, is itself off-
topic since it introduces both religious fervor and politics into
the discussion.
Have a nice day and be sure to render proper respect to President
Barack Obama. Note the change in the way I refer to him - I refer
to ALL our presidents both the ones I like and the ones I dislike
as either Mr. President or President Their-Name. It is a matter of
respect for the OFFICE, but NOT necessarily respect for the man
holding it.
Cheers!
SteveTBM®
> redacted it after the election. Then, read the various books about
> him PRIOR to the election. Finally, look to Sean Hannity's two-part
> episodes of Hannity's America which show the unusual persons Obama
> knew as a youth, teen, young adult, at Harvard Law and to this day.
>
> Enough for you yet?
>
>> BTW, I do agree with your sig. Big government is a huge problem,
>> and nobody increased that government more than the last guy.
>> Glad to see him leave. Very glad.
>>
> It's OK by me that many people don't like Bush. I don't think much
> of him, either, just MORE than his two opponents. But, IF you can
> think at all creatively and completely and can comprehend what
> Obama promised during the campaign AND what he has said since the
> election, you can't help but conclude that this will be BY FAR the
> most Left, Liberal and Loon Administration since LBJ. And we know
> what happened to him!
>
> --
> HP, aka Jerry
But seriously, will he be using a Nikon or a Canon?
Nobody
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> Neil Harrington added these comments in the current discussion du
> jour ...
>
>>> OK, who read past here?
>>
>> I did, for one. He's right, though it is a little off topic.
>>
> Agreed, but many others have opined that MANY things are discussed
> here other than pure photography. Everyone is free to express
> themselves if protected by the First Amendment.
>
> Have a nice day!
>
protected by your First Ammendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Congress is not telling you that you are off topic, users of the group are!
Michael Dobony
A dictator is not elected out of office. He is more akin to Hitler than
Lincoln.
Deep Reset
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> Deep Reset added these comments in the current discussion du jour
> ...
>
>>> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably
> because
>>
>> But is he a fan of Canon or Nikon?
>>
> I'd have to say he'd be a fan of an 8 x 10 view camera as used by
> Matthew Brady in taking Civil War photographs, wouldn't you?
I don't know - why don't you ask him?
I'm sure (almost) the entire ng readership is on the edges of their seats in
anticipation.
BTW, Brady didn't necessarily take many of the Civil War photos attributed
to him, usually sending assistants to the battlefields.
His eyesight was very poor by the 1860s.
>
> One might observe that even talking about the ever interesting
> religious debate of which is better, Nikon or Canon, is itself off-
> topic since it introduces both religious fervor and politics into
> the discussion.
>
> Have a nice day and be sure to render proper respect to President
> Barack Obama. Note the change in the way I refer to him - I refer
I'll render respect to the man or the office when he has earned it, not
simply got more votes than the other guy.
Now, get back on topic, please.
HEMI - Powered
> Typical asshole american, usenet is not public speech, and as
> such is not protected by your First Ammendment.
> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
> religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
> the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
> people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
> a redress of grievances."
>
> Congress is not telling you that you are off topic, users of the
> group are!
>
If you aren't an American, kindly Fuck Off. If you are, then you
don't understand the basic concept of freedom of expression. Past
that, I don't attempt to reason with fools so think whatever
pleases you.
HEMI - Powered
...
>> Have a nice day and be sure to render proper respect to
>> President Barack Obama. Note the change in the way I refer to
>> him - I refer
>
> I'll render respect to the man or the office when he has earned
> it, not simply got more votes than the other guy.
There are two kinds of respect: 1) that which can be DEMANDED by
virtue of their rank or position and 2) that which can be COMMANDED
by virtue of earning it. So, a president can DEMAND to be called
Mr. President but he cannot COMMAND anyone to respect him
personally or his actions.
> Now, get back on topic, please.
>
So, why did you make an OT post yourself?
But, to your post, let's get back to arguing about how much of the
work Mathew Brady took credit for was actually by one of his many
assistants.
Jim Keegan
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Question.........what brand of camera took the photos of his white mother,
his white grandmother who raised him......Oh question 2.....Now referred to
as black or african american, what happened to the other 50%??? Ok everybody
piss on me for my opinion...............
HEMI - Powered
...
> Question.........what brand of camera took the photos of his
> white mother, his white grandmother who raised him......Oh
> question 2.....Now referred to as black or african american,
> what happened to the other 50%??? Ok everybody piss on me for my
> opinion...............
>
Yes, I wonder what brand of CAMERAS were taking all the pictures
today in and around Washington? I had to chuckle that while
President Obama used his full name - Barack Hussein Obama - Chief
Justice John Roberts mangled the oath of office and incorrectly
called the about-to-be-inaugurated president "Senator", all is well
and I still STOP using pejorative statements against President
Obama.
I noticed, though, that for a guy who campaigned on "change we can
believe in" and in cleaning up partisan politics, he took so many
cheap shots at outgoing President Bush that I lost count.
As to President Obama's ethnicity, one could call him a Negro
except that isn't PC. One could call him a Mulatto except that
isn't PC. Or, one could call him an African-American which is NOT a
race or ethnic group at all, but simply a hyphenated word
consisting of one continent and one country. You know, they way
that Caucasions can say that their proper PC name should be
European-American. Funny how code words and double standards work.
But, let's talk more about what CAMERA our new president prefers.
We already know that his fav PDA is a Blackberry, but does he use a
P & S, a pejorative term around here, an EVF/ZLR, or is is smart
enough to use a high-quality DSLR?
Did you notice that he referred a couple of times to his ancestral
home of Kenya yet somehow neglected to say WHY he's NEVER liften a
finger to help his half-brother living in abject poverty over
there? I guess he's only black when it is political expedient to do
so.
God Bless our new President and God Bless the United States of
America.
Oh, almost forgot. President Obama also erred in saying that 44
different men have take the oath of office as presidents. Wrong.
There have been 44 PRESIDENTS counting him, but NOT 44 men, as a
number of presidents served more than one term including Teddy
Roosevelt who served on either side of another president. I guess
it is OK to make factual errors so long as the oratory is sublime.
Allen
You prove yet again the value of the killfile. Somehow you escaped from
mine, but back in it you go, bigot.
Deep Reset
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> ...
>
>>> Have a nice day and be sure to render proper respect to
>>> President Barack Obama. Note the change in the way I refer to
>>> him - I refer
>>
>> I'll render respect to the man or the office when he has earned
>> it, not simply got more votes than the other guy.
>
> There are two kinds of respect: 1) that which can be DEMANDED by
> virtue of their rank or position and 2) that which can be COMMANDED
> by virtue of earning it. So, a president can DEMAND to be called
No, as a British subject, he can DEMAND or COMMAND of me precisely
bugger-all.
He can stamp his foot, but he can demand not a sausage.
Don't be silly, and go back under your stone.
> Mr. President but he cannot COMMAND anyone to respect him
> personally or his actions.
>
>> Now, get back on topic, please.
>>
> So, why did you make an OT post yourself?
I didn't "post" anything. I responded to an OT posting, asking a question
about photography.
(actually, I asked about camera mfrs, but you get my drift)
tony cooper
<no...@none.supernews> wrote:
>Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
>he freed the slaves. Except that this is WRONG.
You have presumed that Obama says he's a big fan of Lincoln because he
freed the slaves, and said this is wrong.
You are correct. Your presumption is wrong.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
tony cooper
<no...@none.supernews> wrote:
>NO, THE truth. Start with looking at Obama's OWN web site BEFORE he
>redacted it after the election. Then, read the various books about
>him PRIOR to the election. Finally, look to Sean Hannity's two-part
>episodes of Hannity's America
Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for the
uninformed right?
ASAAR
> If you aren't an American, kindly Fuck Off.
As you've no doubt noticed the torch has passed to Obama, so
clinging to the Bush Doctrine is now more than ever an exercise in
futility. Bush, never the brightest bulb in the room is wise enough
to try to rehabilitate his image, something that's beyond you.
> Past that, I don't attempt to reason with fools so think whatever
> pleases you.
That's the best general strategy you can use, since you aren't an
intellectual match for even the dullest fool in the pool. Ya think?
No, it's clear that you can't and don't.
Cynicor
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> HEMI - Powered wrote:
>>> Hussein
>>
> the sand, then stop, but be aware that YOU are the ignorant one I was
> talking about, fool!
If this is "truth" instead of a wingnut polemic, why would you start it
out by referring to Barack Obama as simply "Hussein"? That seems sort of
odd, like you don't know his name or something.
ASAAR
wrote:
> Have a nice day and be sure to render proper respect to President
> Barack Obama.
It's only a tortured mind full of tortured twisty passages, all
alike, that would come up with "render" instead of "tender".
Cynicor
Strike 1: Calling President Obama just "Hussein."
Strike 2: Using Sean Hannity as a primary source.
Atheist Chaplain
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> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
> temperatures in the vain hope of hearing new hope at noon today get
> exactly what they deserve - MORE rhetoric, MORE empty promises, and
> MORE non-implementable ideas. What is tragic is that the 47% of the
> people who did NOT vote for Hussein will also have to suffer under
> his The One, The Messiah, the Marxist rule of a new king. Until
> 2010, that is, when the conservatives WILL retake Congress and when
> the conservative courts WILL strike down his un-Constitutional
> ideas just like they did to FDR.
>
> Yes, Hussein is taking a page out of his hero's, Lincoln, playbook.
> Just too bad he's so pathologically stupid and misguided as to NOT
> even understand what Lincoln was all about.
>
> --
> HP, aka Jerry
>
> "Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
> problem!" - Ronald Reagan
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Christ." Gandhi
Frank ess
Cynicor wrote:
> HEMI - Powered wrote:
>> Hussein
>
> OK, who read past here?
Those who enjoy jumping into the sty and wrestling with a pig; if they
have any self-awareness at all, they might come to realize they smell
like pig feces, and wonder how it happened.
I'll take my answer out of quotes in the inevitable puerile responses.
Cheers!
--
Frank " ... like a rose ... " ess
Dave Cohen
I can't be bothered to read all the posts so far, but if the election of
Obama gets bigots like you so bent out of shape my vote was both correct
and worthwhile. Remind me to ignore any future posting by you.
By the way, this is a digital newsgroup.
Dave Cohen
ASAAR
> they might come to realize they smell like pig feces, and wonder
> how it happened.
>
> I'll take my answer out of quotes in the inevitable puerile responses.
Neither you nor Hemi has changed for the better. He can't.
> Frank " ... like a rose ... " ess
Wrong! But speaking of puerile . . .
bowser
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> bowzer added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> Those who WANT to learn the truth. If you want to bury your
>>> head in the sand, then stop, but be aware that YOU are the
>>> ignorant one I was talking about, fool!
>>
>
> NO, THE truth. Start with looking at Obama's OWN web site BEFORE he
> redacted it after the election. Then, read the various books about
> him PRIOR to the election. Finally, look to Sean Hannity's two-part
> knew as a youth, teen, young adult, at Harvard Law and to this day.
>
> Enough for you yet?
>
>> BTW, I do agree with your sig. Big government is a huge problem,
>> and nobody increased that government more than the last guy.
>> Glad to see him leave. Very glad.
>>
> It's OK by me that many people don't like Bush. I don't think much
> of him, either, just MORE than his two opponents. But, IF you can
> think at all creatively and completely and can comprehend what
> Obama promised during the campaign AND what he has said since the
> election, you can't help but conclude that this will be BY FAR the
> most Left, Liberal and Loon Administration since LBJ. And we know
> what happened to him!
LBJ was the second worst president I've seen in my lifetime. Until Bush II,
he was #1. I see Obama governing from the center, not the left. Time will
tell, but Howdy Doody would have been an improvement over the imbecile that
just ducked back underground.
dwight
"HEMI - Powered" <no...@none.supernews> wrote in message
Oh, good. Eight more years of hate and divisiveness. I was afraid we were
beyond that.
dwight
Frank ess
On top of everything, Bushies are edging toward protected status as an
oppressed minority.
--
Frank ess
HEMI - Powered
>> Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for
>> the uninformed right?
>
> Strike 1: Calling President Obama just "Hussein."
> Strike 2: Using Sean Hannity as a primary source.
>
Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's inauguration,
and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those are the words of
The One, The Messiah.
As for Hannity, he is the ONLY person with enough integrity and
gumption to do the requisite research. You Far Left Liberal Loons
just can't accept that it is FAR, FAR, FAR more evil for 150+
jouranlists to descend on the little town of Wasila, Alaska looking
to dig up dirt on Gov. Sarah Palin yet seemingly NO ONE would do
even rudimentary investigative journalism on Obama who had SO MANY
perverted things in his past as to defy the imagination.
HEMI - Powered
discussion du jour ...
>> Chief
>> Justice John Roberts mangled the oath of office and incorrectly
>> called the about-to-be-inaugurated president "Senator"
>
> Yes on the first, no on the second. Someone who has held public
> office is addressed by the highest title he has held, even if he
> no longer holds it. In other words, the proper way to address
> Bill Clinton or George W. Bush is "Mr. President."
>
> Prior to taking the oath, BHO was not the president, and
> "president-elect" is not a proper title, therefore "Senator" was
> the appropriate way to address him.
>
You missed the entire point. There are were 43 prior presidents but
NOT 43 prior men. And, Obama was NO LONGER a Senator as he had
resigned his office by Constitutional edict that no one can hold
two Federal offices at the same time. Ordinarily, one gets to
maintain their titles in perpetuity but NOT for a president-elect
who is addressed as "president-elect" which is the HIGHER title.
What I really wonder about is whether Justice Roberts screwed all
of this up intentionally hoping to get Obama to fumble his words,
which he DID do, or whether it was just a slip. What Obama SHOULD
have done is recite the CORRECT words as that is what is required.
Ray Fischer
HEMI - Powered
du jour ...
>> There are two kinds of respect:
>
> FALSE.
>
>> 1) that which can be DEMANDED by virtue of their rank or
>> position
>
> That is not respect. That is the portrayal of respect, a
> protocol. If a person is forced to act in a respectful manner,
> that does not mean that there is any respect being offered.
No, that IS a form of respect and it is respect only that our
presidents call even their enemies by their titles, as in Mr.
Chairman, Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister, etc. To do otherwise
is not only DISrespectful but a serious breach of protocol and
etiquette. Best Google for the definitions of these big words,
friend, you have it all wrong.
>
>> and 2) that which can be COMMANDED by virtue of earning it.
>
> That is the only respect there is.
>
>> So, a president can DEMAND to be called
>> Mr. President but he cannot COMMAND anyone to respect him
>> personally or his actions.
>
> Do you realize how caught up you are in circular reasoning here?
> You are basically contradicting yourself.
>
Not cicular at all. ALL who address a President of the United
States MUST do one of the following: 1) Mr. President, 2) President
Obama, or 3) Sir ... To do ANYTHING else is so horridly
DISrespectful that NOBODY ever does it, not friends and certainly
NOT enemies.
Again, Google is your best friend, best brush up on what it means
to respect someone based on a) their position, title, or rank and
b) the extent to which they have earned it. You know, like Gen.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, a rank.
HEMI - Powered
...
> I can't be bothered to read all the posts so far, but if the
> election of Obama gets bigots like you so bent out of shape my
> vote was both correct and worthwhile. Remind me to ignore any
> future posting by you. By the way, this is a digital newsgroup.
> Dave Cohen
>
YOUR problem is that you can't stand the truth. Go back and re-read
what Lincoln said, and re-think what Obama THINKS he so admires
about the man. IF you can at all think clearly and logically, you
MUST conclude that if anything, the founder of the modern
Rebublican party is NOT the "great emancipator" as that was simply
a ploy to piss off the Confederates but HE, i.e. Lincoln by YOUR
perverted definition must have been a racist and a bigot.
HEMI - Powered
...
>> Oh, good. Eight more years of hate and divisiveness. I was
>> afraid we were beyond that.
>
> On top of everything, Bushies are edging toward protected status
> as an oppressed minority.
>
Hey, my beloved friend, Frank ASS, as I live and breathe. From under
what rock did you crawl, ASShole?
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>>Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably
>>because he freed the slaves. Except that this is WRONG.
>
> You have presumed that Obama says he's a big fan of Lincoln
> because he freed the slaves, and said this is wrong.
>
> You are correct. Your presumption is wrong.
>
No, Tony, I am 100% correct. President Obama talked about how and
why he came to be an admirer of Lincoln many times during the
campaign and during the recent transition. He specifically said
that what he admired most was the fact that Lincoln not only
preserved the Union but freed the slaves - which Lincoln most
clearly did NOT, nor did he intend ever to do so as his letter to
Horace Greeley clearly states. Now, had Lincoln lived, he probably
would have been a proponent of the 13th Amendment, but you'll never
know, will you?
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>>NO, THE truth. Start with looking at Obama's OWN web site BEFORE
>>he redacted it after the election. Then, read the various books
>>about him PRIOR to the election. Finally, look to Sean Hannity's
>>two-part episodes of Hannity's America
>
> Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for
> the uninformed right?
>
You have NO IDEA how WELL I am informed. You only think that to be
right of center is somehow to be uninformed. So, I ask you an
honest question, as I have of all those who so obviously voted the
Blue ticket: do you REALLY know this man, who his friends are, what
his thinking points to and what his agenda is OR are you a racist
for voting FOR him without being informed? I say the latter. But,
anytime you want to discuss the REAL issues that you Far Left Loons
conveniently left out of the election process, why bring it on.
Cheers!
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> No, as a British subject, he can DEMAND or COMMAND of me
> precisely bugger-all.
"Bugger-all"? Is that a sexual comment or a racist/bigoted comment
- OR BOTH?
>> Mr. President but he cannot COMMAND anyone to respect him
>> personally or his actions.
You clearly need a remedial class in English comprehension, my Good
Brit Friend. Re-read what I said which is, one can demand respect
based on their rank, title, or position but cannot command respect
until/unless they have earned it.
tony cooper
<no...@none.supernews> wrote:
>Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for
>>> the uninformed right?
>>
>> Strike 1: Calling President Obama just "Hussein."
>> Strike 2: Using Sean Hannity as a primary source.
>>
>Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's inauguration,
>and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those are the words of
>The One, The Messiah.
>
>As for Hannity, he is the ONLY person with enough integrity and
>gumption to do the requisite research. You Far Left Liberal Loons
>just can't accept that it is FAR, FAR, FAR more evil for 150+
>jouranlists to descend on the little town of Wasila, Alaska looking
>to dig up dirt on Gov. Sarah Palin
You are absolutely correct. One journalist should have been
sufficient. Even one would have been a waste of manpower or
womanpower. Had they known that Sarah would so accommodating in
presenting herself as a totally uninformed and unqualified candidate
for any office, they could have all stayed home.
Did she ever give the clothes back? Or is she watching the Russians
from her back porch in Nieman Marcus outfits?
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Jürgen Exner
Oh, Lincoln had a digital camera? I wasn't aware of that.
jue
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>>Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
>
> Oh, Lincoln had a digital camera? I wasn't aware of that.
>
He did, indeed, Jurgen. It was operated with one of his digitals, a
finger I think. <grin>
--
HP, aka Jerry
"... If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do
it ..." - Abraham Lincoln in letter to Horace Greeley, 1862
Jürgen Exner
"Says"??? Is this a new conspiracy theory? Do you really believe the
Iraqi puppets did such a bad job 2 years ago that he survived?
As much as the CIA is known for botched jobs they would have never
allowed that to happen.
jue
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> "Says"??? Is this a new conspiracy theory? Do you really believe
> the Iraqi puppets did such a bad job 2 years ago that he
> survived? As much as the CIA is known for botched jobs they
> would have never allowed that to happen.
>
If you had an opportunity to watch the inauguration today at Noon
or you were familiar with the debate about Obama's name during the
campaign, his full name is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. His father was
the same, and was a native of Kenya while his mother was European-
American and was born in Kansas. President Obama chose to include
his middle name when he repeated the oath of office.
No, Obama is NOT a Muslim and NO, he is in NO WAY related to
Saddam, but at least six times during the campaign in the summer of
2008, he attempted to introduce the race card into the campaign by
deliberately pointing out that his middle name is Hussein. But, for
the record, as a child up until about age 8 or 9, he did attend a
Muslim school in Indonesia where his mother and her new husband, an
Indonesian by nationality, had moved.
Ray Fischer
>
>>> Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for
>>> the uninformed right?
>>
>> Strike 1: Calling President Obama just "Hussein."
>> Strike 2: Using Sean Hannity as a primary source.
>>
>Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's inauguration,
>and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those are the words of
>The One, The Messiah.
1) No they're not
2) You didn't write just "Hussein" like a racist bigot.
>As for Hannity, he is the ONLY person with enough integrity and
LOL!
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>...
>
>>>NO, THE truth. Start with looking at Obama's OWN web site BEFORE
>>>he redacted it after the election. Then, read the various books
>>>about him PRIOR to the election. Finally, look to Sean Hannity's
>>>two-part episodes of Hannity's America
>>
>> Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for
>> the uninformed right?
>>
>You have NO IDEA how WELL I am informed. You only think that to be
>right of center is somehow to be uninformed. So, I ask you an
>honest question, as I have of all those who so obviously voted the
>Blue ticket: do you REALLY know this man, who his friends are, what
>his thinking points to and what his agenda is OR are you a racist
>for voting FOR him without being informed? I say the latter.
I say that you're a racist bigot for voting against him for the same
reasons.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>...
>
>> I can't be bothered to read all the posts so far, but if the
>> election of Obama gets bigots like you so bent out of shape my
>> vote was both correct and worthwhile. Remind me to ignore any
>> future posting by you. By the way, this is a digital newsgroup.
>> Dave Cohen
>>
>YOUR problem is that you can't stand the truth. Go back and re-read
>what Lincoln said, and re-think what Obama THINKS he so admires
How do you know what Obama thinks?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Mark Thomas
(offtopic stuff deleted)
My thoughts? (language warning..):
Chris H
<no...@none.supernews> writes
>Gaston Ryan Coake added these comments in the current discussion
>du jour ...
>
>>> There are two kinds of respect:
>>
>> FALSE.
>>
>>> 1) that which can be DEMANDED by virtue of their rank or
>>> position
>>
>> That is not respect. That is the portrayal of respect, a
>> protocol. If a person is forced to act in a respectful manner,
>> that does not mean that there is any respect being offered.
>
>No, that IS a form of respect and it is respect only that our
>presidents call even their enemies by their titles, as in Mr.
>Chairman, Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister, etc. To do otherwise
>is not only DISrespectful but a serious breach of protocol and
>etiquette.
You have hit the nail on the head. " a serious breach or protocol and
etiquette" but nothing more.
>>> and 2) that which can be COMMANDED by virtue of earning it.
>> That is the only respect there is.
>>
>>> So, a president can DEMAND to be called
>>> Mr. President but he cannot COMMAND anyone to respect him
>>> personally or his actions.
>>
>> Do you realize how caught up you are in circular reasoning here?
>> You are basically contradicting yourself.
>>
>Not cicular at all. ALL who address a President of the United
>States MUST do one of the following:
Not "must" about it. It is protocol and etiquette. That is all.
> 1) Mr. President, 2) President
>Obama, or 3) Sir ... To do ANYTHING else is so horridly
>DISrespectful that NOBODY ever does it, not friends and certainly
>NOT enemies.
Actually LOTS of people to it on line and in other media as the have no
respect for him. Particularly the moron GWB. The only thing is face to
face most people observe etiquette and protocol. Not respect. Bush was
generally seen as a joke and a moron around most of the world. Obama has
more respect.
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Cynicor
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> Great God! Who gives any credence to that hysterical shill for
>>> the uninformed right?
>> Strike 1: Calling President Obama just "Hussein."
>> Strike 2: Using Sean Hannity as a primary source.
>>
> Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's inauguration,
> and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those are the words of
> The One, The Messiah.
OK, and you called President Bush "Walker"?
Cynicor
> Frank ess added these comments in the current discussion du jour
> ...
>
>>> Oh, good. Eight more years of hate and divisiveness. I was
>>> afraid we were beyond that.
>> On top of everything, Bushies are edging toward protected status
>> as an oppressed minority.
>>
> Hey, my beloved friend, Frank ASS, as I live and breathe. From under
> what rock did you crawl, ASShole?
I don't think that Frank is the root of your problems here. You seem to
be extremely angry today, to the point of distraction. This is causing
you to lash out at others. Instead of being whipped into anger by the
likes of Sean Hannity, perhaps you should take some time to breathe. Go
out and take some pictures of trees and crap. Go rent a puppy for a
couple of days.
Is there anything we can do to help you emerge from this deep funk that
you're in? And no, we can't make the election go the way you wanted.
Nobody
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> Nobody added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> Typical asshole american, usenet is not public speech, and as
>> such is not protected by your First Ammendment.
>
>> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
>> religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
>> the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
>> people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
>> a redress of grievances."
>>
>> Congress is not telling you that you are off topic, users of the
>> group are!
>>
> If you aren't an American, kindly Fuck Off. If you are, then you
> don't understand the basic concept of freedom of expression. Past
> that, I don't attempt to reason with fools so think whatever
> pleases you.
>
Usenet is a Global media, so the rest of the World doesn't really care about
off topic arseholes like you! There is a charter for this group, that you
are violating. Ab...@supernews.com has been notified, as charter violations
are considered similar to spam. Actually in Canada we have freedom of
expression, but we use the correct forums. A Worldwide digital photo one is
not the one for US Politics.
Try; alt.usa.my.candidate.lost, or alt.crybaby
HEMI - Powered
>> Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's
>> inauguration, and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those
>> are the words of The One, The Messiah.
>
> OK, and you called President Bush "Walker"?
>
I didn't, but then, "Walker" isn't a suspect name like "Hussein"
is, former President Bush never palled around with unrepentent
terrorists, PLO members, known drug dealers, anti-black/anti-
Semites, convicted slum lords and the like nor did President Bush
or ANY Rebublican EVER play the race card.
Contrast this to President Obama who, during the campaign last
summer, said at least SIX times "Did he tell you he's got this
funny name, Hussein, and did he mention that he doesn't look like
the other guys on the dollar bills, and oh, by the way, did he
mention that he's black?" Well, friend, where I come, THAT is a
racist speaking and one who tried time and time again to foment
racial discord within the white community and even falsely accused
both Hillary and former President Bill Clinton for playing the race
card, which they never did.
This is the guy YOU admire so much?!
HEMI - Powered
> I don't think that Frank is the root of your problems here. You
> seem to be extremely angry today, to the point of distraction.
Frank is a separate problem and one which you should NOT meddle in.
> This is causing you to lash out at others. Instead of being
> whipped into anger by the likes of Sean Hannity,
Fox News is the ONLY cable news channel that provided any sort of
balanced reporting. CNN was left of center and both NBC and MSNBC
were so far into Far Left Loon range that imbeciles like Keith
Oberman had a DISrespectful segment every night called "Bushed" and
his side-kick Rachel Maddow ran a countdown every night until
President Bush was gone.
perhaps you
> should take some time to breathe. Go out and take some pictures
> of trees and crap. Go rent a puppy for a couple of days.
>
> Is there anything we can do to help you emerge from this deep
> funk that you're in? And no, we can't make the election go the
> way you wanted.
>
Yeah, YOU could get your head out of YOUR ass and smell the rank
coffee of the Obamanation. If you're like all the other Far Left
Loons and Green Nazis, then you have ZERO understanding of the
issues and are a reverse racist. Now, kindly go away, you bore me,
boy.
Chris H
<no...@none.supernews> writes
>Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> I don't think that Frank is the root of your problems here. You
>> seem to be extremely angry today, to the point of distraction.
>
>Frank is a separate problem and one which you should NOT meddle in.
>
>> This is causing you to lash out at others. Instead of being
>> whipped into anger by the likes of Sean Hannity,
>
>Fox News is the ONLY cable news channel that provided any sort of
>balanced reporting.
Fox is internationally regarded (including by the US military officer in
charge of the Com-Sen for the 2003 invasion) as Right wing propaganda.
>CNN was left of center and both NBC and MSNBC
>were so far into Far Left Loon range that imbeciles like Keith
>Oberman had a DISrespectful segment every night called "Bushed" and
>his side-kick Rachel Maddow ran a countdown every night until
>President Bush was gone.
So did most other news channels around the world. George W Bush and Dan
Quale are seen as very similar. But Quale is the more intelligent of the
two.
Chris H
<no...@none.supernews> writes
>Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's
>>> inauguration, and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those
>>> are the words of The One, The Messiah.
>>
>> OK, and you called President Bush "Walker"?
>>
>I didn't, but then, "Walker" isn't a suspect name like "Hussein"
Hussein is not a suspect name. What makes it one?
>is, former President Bush never palled around with unrepentent
>terrorists,
You mean the Bin Laden Family who are very good friends of his family ?
>PLO members,
Did Obama? Which one
> known drug dealers, anti-black/anti-
>Semites, convicted slum lords and the like nor did President Bush
>or ANY Rebublican EVER play the race card.
Yes they did. The UK News did a round up of the campaign and it is
amazing how many clips they had of republicans calling him "Osama" Or
Hussein Obama or similar. They tried like mad to link him with al
sorts of propaganda.
BTW the "terrorist" he was supposed to have been linked to AFAILK was
on a committee that also had Republicans on.......
>Contrast this to President Obama who, during the campaign last
>summer, said at least SIX times "Did he tell you he's got this
>funny name, Hussein,
Just as you made a spear on it above. The Republicans were making great
issues about this. Or did they filter the news broadcasts in the US
I am told from a friend in the US that the US coverage of the Israeli
War Crimes in Gaza is very different (sanitised and heavily biassed are
the words he used) compared to the rest of the world.
Dave Cohen
> Dave Cohen added these comments in the current discussion du jour
> ...
>
>> election of Obama gets bigots like you so bent out of shape my
>> vote was both correct and worthwhile. Remind me to ignore any
>> future posting by you. By the way, this is a digital newsgroup.
>> Dave Cohen
>>
> YOUR problem is that you can't stand the truth. Go back and re-read
> what Lincoln said, and re-think what Obama THINKS he so admires
> MUST conclude that if anything, the founder of the modern
> Rebublican party is NOT the "great emancipator" as that was simply
> a ploy to piss off the Confederates but HE, i.e. Lincoln by YOUR
> perverted definition must have been a racist and a bigot.
>
Since I've never stated what I believe or don't believe about Lincoln
you are in no position to comment. What I can tell you is I'm very wary
of being governed by those who mistake the Flintstones for news
commentary on early human history.
Dave Cohen
Chris Malcolm
> Nobody added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>> Typical asshole american, usenet is not public speech, and as
>> such is not protected by your First Ammendment.
>
>> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
>> religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
>> the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the
>> people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
>> a redress of grievances."
>>
>> Congress is not telling you that you are off topic, users of the
>> group are!
> If you aren't an American, kindly Fuck Off. If you are, then you
> don't understand the basic concept of freedom of expression.
Amazing how many assholes think that freedom of expression means that
people who've got fed up with their ranting are forbidden by the
Constitution of the United States of America from telling them to shut
up and go away.
--
Chris Malcolm
Ockham's Razor
Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> Amazing how many assholes think that freedom of expression means that
> people who've got fed up with their ranting are forbidden by the
> Constitution of the United States of America from telling them to shut
> up and go away.
Freedom of speech does not include the right to an audience.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own set of facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously.
Hubert Humphrey
"People hardly ever make use of the freedom which
they have, for example, freedom of thought; instead
they demand freedom of speech as a compensation".
Soren Kierkegaard
--
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
Stephen F. Roberts
Cynicor
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> I don't think that Frank is the root of your problems here. You
>> seem to be extremely angry today, to the point of distraction.
>
> Frank is a separate problem and one which you should NOT meddle in.
>
>> This is causing you to lash out at others. Instead of being
>> whipped into anger by the likes of Sean Hannity,
>
> Fox News is the ONLY cable news channel that provided any sort of
> balanced reporting.
Yes. They were the only network willing to tell the truth: The Obamas
engaged in a terrorist fist bump after he won the nomination.
> CNN was left of center and both NBC and MSNBC
> were so far into Far Left Loon range that imbeciles like Keith
> Oberman had a DISrespectful segment every night called "Bushed" and
> his side-kick Rachel Maddow ran a countdown every night until
> President Bush was gone.
And MSNBC balances those TWO hours of programming with FOUR hours of a
Republican former Congressman every day.
>> perhaps you
>> should take some time to breathe. Go out and take some pictures
>> of trees and crap. Go rent a puppy for a couple of days.
>>
>> Is there anything we can do to help you emerge from this deep
>> funk that you're in? And no, we can't make the election go the
>> way you wanted.
>>
> Yeah, YOU could get your head out of YOUR ass and smell the rank
> coffee of the Obamanation.
We're sorry. As I said, we can't make the election go the way you wante.d
> If you're like all the other Far Left
> Loons and Green Nazis, then you have ZERO understanding of the
> issues and are a reverse racist. Now, kindly go away, you bore me,
> boy.
I'm just wondering why you have so much anger here, but you've chosen to
funnel it into off-charter newsgroup posts into something more constructive.
Cynicor
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's
>>> inauguration, and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those
>>> are the words of The One, The Messiah.
>> OK, and you called President Bush "Walker"?
>>
> I didn't, but then, "Walker" isn't a suspect name like "Hussein"
It must really eat you up to know that someone with a "suspect name" has
approval ratings in the high 70s nationwide. Why do you think it is that
the vast majority of the country doesn't think the name is "suspect?"
Could it be that they're not crazy racists who condemn someone based on
a birth name shared by millions of people across all political stripes?
I gotta tell you - I don't know you personally, so it's certainly not my
place to make judgments here, but some of the things you say sound like
unhinged rantings. Perhaps this is not the right place to share these
views. There are plenty of places where you can engage in discussion
that assumes a baseline of "anyone named Hussein is bad" and "Fox News
is the only place with the guts to tell it like it is. Seriously, in
your case, Michelle Malkin's site would be a great place to go for more
lively discussion than everyone just laughing at you.
Cynicor
> HEMI - Powered <no...@none.supernews> writes
>> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>>
>>>> Perhaps YOU should take another look at this noon's
>>>> inauguration, and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those
>>>> are the words of The One, The Messiah.
>>>
>>> OK, and you called President Bush "Walker"?
>>>
>> I didn't, but then, "Walker" isn't a suspect name like "Hussein"
>
> Hussein is not a suspect name. What makes it one?
You know, because, uh, the same reason no one with the first or middle
name Harold should ever be a doctor again because Harold Shipman killed
over 236 people.
It's just that sad.
HEMI - Powered
>> CNN was left of center and both NBC and MSNBC
>> were so far into Far Left Loon range that imbeciles like Keith
>> Oberman had a DISrespectful segment every night called "Bushed"
>> and his side-kick Rachel Maddow ran a countdown every night
>> until President Bush was gone.
>
> And MSNBC balances those TWO hours of programming with FOUR
> hours of a Republican former Congressman every day.
Joe Scarborough rarely engages in anything political,unlike many
others later in the day. I find no problem with him. What's going
to be interesting is how long it will take for Oberman and Maddow
to become disenchanted with President Obama and they start to whack
on him for NOT going far enough to the Left. In modern times,
Liberals always campaign to the Far Left but govern more as
centrists. Clearly, this was so for JFK and even Bill Clinton. LBJ
was a strange mix of hawk and dove, liberal and centrist, and
accomplished a great deal domestically when he wasn't distracted by
the war in Viet Nam HE created or the ludicrous Great Society.
It is my firm belief that we NEED some degree of liberalism to get
any real social change such as FDR's FDIC, Social Security, and SEC
reform or LBJ's Civil Rights Act and Voter Rights Act. Likewise we
NEED small government fiscal conservatives to right the ship of
state when Big Government goes to far. The real mistake that
President Bush made was in abandoning his core beliefs and values
and adopting the policies of those who advocate profligate deficit
spending and what amounted to Socialistic bail outs and even
nationalization of big financial institutions.
>
>> If you're like all the other Far Left
>> Loons and Green Nazis, then you have ZERO understanding of the
>> issues and are a reverse racist. Now, kindly go away, you bore
>> me, boy.
>
> I'm just wondering why you have so much anger here, but you've
> chosen to funnel it into off-charter newsgroup posts into
> something more constructive.
>
I have NO anger whatsoever EXCEPT that of stupid people drinking
poison Kool-Aid. It is tragic that American voters are SO
uninformed as to vote emotionally and NOT intelligently. But, to
answer your question, I started this thread because I think it is
so disingenuous and so pecksnifian that President Obama would pick
Abraham Lincoln as his idol when Lincoln's policies were NOT for
the good of the slaves but entirely motivated by the politics of
winning the Civil War. And, need I remind you that Obama himself is
NOT of a slavery heritage and is just a glib talker trying to get
others to vote in a reverse racist way?
HEMI - Powered
> It must really eat you up to know that someone with a "suspect
> name" has approval ratings in the high 70s nationwide.
Nope, not at all. I don't expect people drinking poison Kool-Aid to
recognize it. But, since you seem anxious to talk about his messiah
complex, remember that President George Herbert Walker Bush had a
91% approval rating after Desert Storm yet was defeated in his re-
election bid barely a year later. Or that President George Walker
Bush had an approval rating of 90% after his adroit handling of
9/11 but quickly went downhill with the War in Iraq and especially
after his bungling of Katrina. So, approval ratings are a false
measure of a president's success or failure. Personally, I judge
people NOT on what they say but what they DO and the jury hasn't
even been formed yet on Obama.
Why do
> you think it is that the vast majority of the country doesn't
> think the name is "suspect?" Could it be that they're not crazy
> racists who condemn someone based on a birth name shared by
> millions of people across all political stripes?
I doubt that the majority of Americans even know about it, or if
they do, that they care at all. But, YOU should investigate to see
the real roots of his FATHER's middle name, which President Obama
inherited. And, YOU should investigate his father's politics in
Kenya and Obama's secret support of not one, but TWO true Marxists
running for president of Kenya, both of whom were defeated.
Obama is a consumate politician and the best public speaker I have
known in my lifetime, but glib talk and rhetoric only goes so far,
I'm afraid. Now that he's actually in power, he MUST deliver on all
those promises. You see, he can only blame Bush for maybe 4-6
months. After that, anything good OR bad is on HIS watch.
> I gotta tell you - I don't know you personally, so it's
> certainly not my place to make judgments here, but some of the
> things you say sound like unhinged rantings.
Why don't you try talking about the specifics of what is going on
now and what has gone on in the past, if you really want to be a
balanced reporter? Take an easy one first: WHO was representing the
people of Illinois for the last over TWO YEARS while he was running
for president? Or, exactly HOW did he manage to so completely block
any FOIA requests for his college and law school transcripts and
papers?
Perhaps this is not
> the right place to share these views. There are plenty of places
> where you can engage in discussion that assumes a baseline of
> "anyone named Hussein is bad" and "Fox News is the only place
> with the guts to tell it like it is. Seriously, in your case,
> Michelle Malkin's site would be a great place to go for more
> lively discussion than everyone just laughing at you.
>
You have to understand that I started my OP off this way
intentionally to get people's attention. I don't give a rat's ass
WHAT his name is any more than ANY elected official. Likewise, I
don't give a hoot what ANY politician's race/ethnicity is, their
religion, or anything else like that as it's all crap and has no-
thing to do with their fitness for office - or lack thereof. What I
DO care about is the people they hang around with especially when
they are young as that is when their basic beliefs and values are
formed.
Doesn't it bother you even a LITTLE that nothing is really known
about the man? For example, why did he release NOTHING about his
medical condition(s). You don't suppose, do you, that his dozen or
more years of using recreational drugs and a couple of brushes with
the law for co-dealing while at Columbia MIGHT have made voters
suspicious and NOT his name?
The trouble with ideologues is that they are berift of facts but
long on sound bytes and talking points. There is just NO WAY that
President Obama can possibly be prepared for the office he just
entered, he literally hasn't been around public life long enough to
have learned anything himself and surrounding his office with old
Clintonistas is hardly the way to show that he is breaking the mold
of old line Washington politics.
So, come back with some FACTS if you like, I can support all that
I've said. But, also take a look at the source of Lincoln's
comments in that letter to Horace Greeley and do some independent
research on what Lincoln's opinions were prior to being elected
president, what they were at the start of the Civil War, how they
changed by the time he wrote the NON-binding Emancipation
Proclamation and how he MIGHT have treated the former Confederates
after the war had he lived. It takes far MORE than using the
Lincoln Bible to admire the man, and MORE than the LITTLE real data
that investigative reporters learned about Obama.
Again, doesn't it bother you in the least that 150+ reporters went
up to Alaska to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin but NOBODY went to
Chicago to find out about the Chicago Machine or Obama's ties to
Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko? How can that possibly be that so many
people just winked at his unsavory past? I'll leave with this
question for you: how did an Illinois state senator afford a house
and partial vacant lot next door that cost nearly half a MILLION
dollars without some HELP?
Bill
LOL! Seconded!
RepliesForSimpletons
Someone is really out of touch with reality.
Had everyone voted the other way the economy of the world would be diving
headlong into the toilet even faster than it is. Can you say, "World Market
Collapse"? You better learn how to say it. There is no "World Reserve Bank" to
prevent it from happening. The amount of money that would have to be taken out
of circulation to prevent it, to create that safety-net, would be the very thing
that would cause it. There's nothing that can be done to prevent it now. It's
not a matter of "IF", but "WHEN".
Every repugnican on earth should be held for treason and shot for undermining
the economy of the USA, and now the economy of the world, with their greed and
divisiveness.
You can thank the Reagan/Bush Klan and all their supporters for the state of the
world today. Someone should hang them, hang every last one of them.
Too bad that all repugnicans weren't required to be tattooed, then it would be
easier to hunt them all down and make them pay for what they caused.
Start reading survival books, you're going to need them. If you live in a city
then I hope you'll learn to like the taste of human flesh, it's all you'll have
available.
Rich
news:Xns9B996A46B60...@216.168.3.30:
> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
> he freed the slaves. Except that this is WRONG. Lincoln did NOT
> free ANY slaves by law. The Emancipation Proclamation had NO force
> of law and was ENTIRELY designed to foment discord amongst the
I don't care about what Obama believes, he's no Reagan and it isn't
"morning in America" again. It is night in America and will stay that way
for at least five years.
ASAAR
>> If you're like all the other Far Left
>> Loons and Green Nazis, then you have ZERO understanding of the
>> issues and are a reverse racist. Now, kindly go away, you bore me,
>> boy.
>
> I'm just wondering why you have so much anger here, but you've chosen to
> funnel it into off-charter newsgroup posts into something more constructive.
The anger isn't reserved for politics; Jer's an equal opportunity
fumer. His many posts describing how he gets off from stomping the
pedal of his gas guzzling Hemi-powered Detroit Iron shows that he
needs this type of vehicle to express his road rage. He also joined
this ng seeking help for exposure problems he had with his
DSLR/flash, and showed not only anger, he also threatened many that
tried to help him, but made the mistake of trying to be truly
helpful instead of humoring him.
This ng has quite a number of folk that share his less extreme
right-wing views, but he should realize that they're not supporting
him because he repeatedly crosses the line and ventures far into
loony-land. If he got some air time in a studio with the likes of
Sean Hannity, G. Gordon Liddy or Rushbo and repeated some of the
things he's said here, even they'd back away in horror. Compared to
Hemi (aka ATM), Alan Keyes and Anne Coulter almost appear sane.
dwight
"HEMI - Powered" <no...@none.supernews> wrote in message
news:Xns9B99F3EF71E...@216.168.3.30...
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> the uninformed right?
>>
>> Strike 1: Calling President Obama just "Hussein."
>> Strike 2: Using Sean Hannity as a primary source.
>>
> and I quote "I, Barack HUSSEIN Obama ..." Those are the words of
> The One, The Messiah.
>
> gumption to do the requisite research. You Far Left Liberal Loons
> just can't accept that it is FAR, FAR, FAR more evil for 150+
> jouranlists to descend on the little town of Wasila, Alaska looking
> to dig up dirt on Gov. Sarah Palin yet seemingly NO ONE would do
> even rudimentary investigative journalism on Obama who had SO MANY
> perverted things in his past as to defy the imagination.
>
> --
> HP, aka Jerry
>
> "Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
> problem!" - Ronald Reagan
I think that you're saying that the Liberal Media did its job, but the
Conservative Media didn't.
Interesting.
dwight
Ray Fischer
>Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> It must really eat you up to know that someone with a "suspect
>> name" has approval ratings in the high 70s nationwide.
>
>Nope, not at all. I don't expect people drinking poison Kool-Aid to
>recognize it. But, since you seem anxious to talk about his messiah
>complex, remember that President George Herbert Walker Bush had a
>91% approval rating after Desert Storm yet was defeated in his re-
Bush 41's highest ever approval rating was 89%
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
HEMI - Powered
> I think that you're saying that the Liberal Media did its job,
> but the Conservative Media didn't.
>
> Interesting.
>
Not quite. In the US today, there is almost NO "conservitive" media
whatsoever. I have to say that this election cycle spelled the END
of balanced reporting. There was the vast majority that was giving
the Democratic slate even back to the primaries all the coverage
and NONE of the criticism and when Obama became the presumptive
nominee it wass like a love-in. I pay ZERO attention to so-called
conservative talk radio because I think that Rush Limbaugh and his
ilk are Far Right Loons and do NOT represent the right-of-center
stance of many Americans.
So, the BEST I could do is to watch as many cable news shows as
possible and do my own investigation based on a colaboration of
what I heard, with the principle belief that MUCH of it was biased
to the left.
If you're interested in what this is about, take a look at the
difference between what the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press say
about the same thing or the difference between the Wall Street
Journal, the Washington Post and the NY Times. In each of those two
regional examples, the first is most conservative and the last most
liberal. It is nothing less than astounding how differently these
papers view the exact same thing and the bias is so obvious as to
be outrageous.
In short, for people who WANT to know the truth about BOTH
candidates in a typical high level race, it can be frustratingly
difficult to cut through the bias.
HEMI - Powered
discussion du jour ...
> Every repugnican on earth should be held for treason and shot
> for undermining the economy of the USA, and now the economy of
> the world, with their greed and divisiveness.
>
> You can thank the Reagan/Bush Klan and all their supporters for
> the state of the world today. Someone should hang them, hang
> every last one of them.
This is nothing less that nonsense. I challenge you to provide ANY
proof of wrong-doing whatsoever. But, if YOU are not an American,
bugger off, your own country is more than enough Fucked up that you
have no place cricizing mine.
> Too bad that all repugnicans weren't required to be tattooed,
> then it would be easier to hunt them all down and make them pay
> for what they caused.
>
Yeah, we should make the Jews wear a yellow Star of David, too,
right?
HEMI - Powered
...
>>Nope, not at all. I don't expect people drinking poison Kool-Aid
>>to recognize it. But, since you seem anxious to talk about his
>>messiah complex, remember that President George Herbert Walker
>>Bush had a 91% approval rating after Desert Storm yet was
>>defeated in his re-
>
> Bush 41's highest ever approval rating was 89%
>
That was really profound, arguing 2 percent. But, as usual, Ray, you
are WRONG, learn to live with it.
C J Campbell
> Hussein says he's a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, presumably because
> he freed the slaves. Except that this is WRONG. Lincoln did NOT
> free ANY slaves by law.
tl;ot;dr
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor