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RichA

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:18:03 PM11/22/09
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Ray Fischer

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:37:16 PM11/22/09
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RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33770272

At least the bullets aren't made out of plastic, right?

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Ray Fischer
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Rich

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:49:31 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 8:37 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

> RichA  <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33770272
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> At least the bullets aren't made out of plastic, right?
>
> --

They only use plastic bullets on malcontents like you at G20 meetings.

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C J Campbell

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:57:39 PM11/22/09
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On 2009-11-22 17:37:16 -0800, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said:

> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33770272
>
> At least the bullets aren't made out of plastic, right?

Gee. A company that makes hunting scopes sponsors <gasp> hunting! Of
course, we all know that the photographs on the original
anti-hunting/anti-Nikon web site are real, depict that actual event,
and are unretouched, right?

And now, for the lighter side of predator hunting, I bring you this
actual NTSB report, just in case you think the hunters always win:

SEA02LA058
On March 25, 2002, about 0720 mountain standard time, a Piper
PA-18-150, N22EV, sustained substantial damage after colliding with
terrain near Fort Peck, Montana. The airplane is owned by the pilot,
and was being operated as a visual flight rules (VFR) flight under the
provisions of Title 14, CFR Part 91. The commercial pilot-in-command
and passenger sustained serious injuries. Visual meteorological
conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed.

The pilot was
conducting a predator (coyote) control flight over private rangeland
near Fort Peck. During the flight, at a reported altitude of
approximately 40 feet above ground level (AGL), the passenger
inadvertently discharged a semiautomatic 12-gauge shotgun. The pilot,
who was seated in the forward seat, reported that the gun fired 3-4
times, striking the right wing, fuel tank and aileron assembly. He
reported that the damage resulted in a loss of aileron and elevator
control. The airplane entered a descending turn to the right and
subsequently impacted terrain in a nose-low attitude. The pilot
reported the aircraft was on fire upon touchdown and continued to burn
after the impact. 

The pilot reported that there were no preexisting
mechanical malfunctions or failures that contributed to the accident. 


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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Ray Fischer

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:46:06 AM11/23/09
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C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2009-11-22 17:37:16 -0800, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said:
>
>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33770272
>>
>> At least the bullets aren't made out of plastic, right?
>
>Gee. A company that makes hunting scopes sponsors <gasp> hunting!

You're missing the point.

> Of
>course, we all know that the photographs on the original

It's the fact that Nikon is SPONSORING the event that is the issue.

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Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

C J Campbell

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:13:39 PM11/23/09
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I guess I am just not shocked at the idea that a company that
manufactures hunting supplies might sponsor hunting contests.

But then, I was born in Idaho...

I loved the one comment on the thread -- the assertion that children
exposed to such twisted violence must grow up to be psychopaths. I
guess that explains why all third world countries and practically
everyone who was born before 1960 or who ever lived on a farm, or
anyone else who does not buy their meat in neat little plastic wrapped
packages, is a psychopath, eh? Better watch out! I am a dangerous
psychopath! But you probably knew that all along.

Matt Ion

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Nov 23, 2009, 4:26:03 PM11/23/09
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Guess that includes me too, then... and everyone else I went to school
with. I suppose the fact that hunter education was part of the Grade 8
curriculum means we're state-created psychopaths.

Private

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Nov 24, 2009, 1:55:45 AM11/24/09
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"C J Campbell" <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2009112219573916807-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom...

> On 2009-11-22 17:37:16 -0800, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said:
>
>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=33770272
>>
>> At least the bullets aren't made out of plastic, right?
>
> Gee. A company that makes hunting scopes sponsors <gasp> hunting! Of
> course, we all know that the photographs on the original
> anti-hunting/anti-Nikon web site are real, depict that actual event, and
> are unretouched, right?
>
> And now, for the lighter side of predator hunting, I bring you this actual
> NTSB report, just in case you think the hunters always win:
>
> SEA02LA058
> On March 25, 2002, about 0720 mountain standard time, a Piper PA-18-150,
> N22EV, sustained substantial damage after colliding with terrain near Fort
> Peck, Montana. The airplane is owned by the pilot, and was being operated
> as a visual flight rules (VFR) flight under the provisions of Title 14,
> CFR Part 91. The commercial pilot-in-command and passenger sustained
> serious injuries. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight
> plan was filed.??The pilot was conducting a predator (coyote) control
> flight over private rangeland near Fort Peck. During the flight, at a
> reported altitude of approximately 40 feet above ground level (AGL), the
> passenger inadvertently discharged a semiautomatic 12-gauge shotgun. The
> pilot, who was seated in the forward seat, reported that the gun fired 3-4
> times, striking the right wing, fuel tank and aileron assembly. He
> reported that the damage resulted in a loss of aileron and elevator
> control. The airplane entered a descending turn to the right and
> subsequently impacted terrain in a nose-low attitude. The pilot reported
> the aircraft was on fire upon touchdown and continued to burn after the
> impact. ??The pilot reported that there were no preexisting mechanical
> malfunctions or failures that contributed to the accident. ?

>
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor


The NTSB database contains many similar crash reports involving low level
shooting activities in&from Cubs and similar aircraft. Most are stall-spin
and CFIT but IIRC a surprising number are also directly gunshot related.
IMHO, The activities cost outcomes seem to be greater than any marginal and
temporary benefit.

Happy landings,


C J Campbell

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Nov 27, 2009, 12:22:19 PM11/27/09
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Probably a good thing the pilot broke his legs on landing. Otherwise he
might have killed his passenger. :D

I have this image of Sean Connery in the plane with Indiana Jones.
"They got us, Son."

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