"B" shutter setting?

[Jennifer Murphy]

I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:

What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?

The answer is "Bulb".

Is this still used?

Does it mean "flash"?

What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?

[MG]

"Jennifer Murphy" <JenM...@jm.invalid> wrote in message
news:af08j7dc8ca4cmsvl...@4ax.com...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulb_%28photography%29

http://yanikphotoschool.com/tutorials/what-is-the-bulb-setting-and-when-to-use-it/

--
MG

[nospam]

In article <af08j7dc8ca4cmsvl...@4ax.com>, Jennifer

Murphy <JenM...@jm.invalid> wrote:

> I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
>
> What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
>
> The answer is "Bulb".
>
> Is this still used?

yes. many cameras have a 'b' or bulb setting.

> Does it mean "flash"?

no.

> What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?

bulb is for exposures longer than the slowest built-in shutter speed,
generally ranging from a few seconds to a few hours.

you press the shutter release button to open the shutter, hold it down
to keep it open and when you let go, it closes. it gets its name from
air bulbs, similar to the one your doctor uses when taking blood
pressure. these days, you can lock it open so you don't have to stand
there holding it.

there used to also be a setting called 't' for time, which was press
once to open and press again to close. since cameras now have a way to
lock bulb open, t isn't needed anymore.

[Darrell Larose]

It's a term left over from the late 1800 to mid 1900 when a remote
release was an air release, in which you squeezed a rubber air bulb to
fire the shutter. The term is as old as the PC falsh terminal, that was
how a flash connected on a Prontor or Compur shutter (Pronto-Compur
shortened to PC)

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[David Dyer-Bennet]

Darrell Larose <Darrell...@gmail.com> writes:

> Jennifer Murphy wrote:
>> I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
>>
>> What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
>>
>> The answer is "Bulb".
>>
>> Is this still used?
>>
>> Does it mean "flash"?
>>
>> What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
>>
> It's a term left over from the late 1800 to mid 1900 when a remote
> release was an air release, in which you squeezed a rubber air bulb to
> fire the shutter. The term is as old as the PC falsh terminal, that
> was how a flash connected on a Prontor or Compur shutter
> (Pronto-Compur shortened to PC)

I've still got a working air release. I bought it new in the 1980s, I
believe.
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[Frank S]

"David Dyer-Bennet" <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote in message
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> Darrell Larose <Darrell...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Jennifer Murphy wrote:
>>> I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
>>>
>>> What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
>>>
>>> The answer is "Bulb".
>>>
>>> Is this still used?
>>>
>>> Does it mean "flash"?
>>>
>>> What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
>>>
>> It's a term left over from the late 1800 to mid 1900 when a remote
>> release was an air release, in which you squeezed a rubber air bulb to
>> fire the shutter. The term is as old as the PC falsh terminal, that
>> was how a flash connected on a Prontor or Compur shutter
>> (Pronto-Compur shortened to PC)
>
> I've still got a working air release. I bought it new in the 1980s, I
> believe.
>

I just saw mine a few days ago during a cleaning frenzy. Here it is in
action, April, 1984, during a private test session for the IMSA race at
Riverside International Raceway:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~fsheff/pictures/frkrir8s.jpg and here is one of
the products of a slightly different arrangement:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6793549749_5c8c5e5209_o.jpg

--
Frank ess

[J. Clarke]

In article <ylfkfwej...@dd-b.net>, dd...@dd-b.net says...

>
> Darrell Larose <Darrell...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Jennifer Murphy wrote:
> >> I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
> >>
> >> What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
> >>
> >> The answer is "Bulb".
> >>
> >> Is this still used?
> >>
> >> Does it mean "flash"?
> >>
> >> What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
> >>
> > It's a term left over from the late 1800 to mid 1900 when a remote
> > release was an air release, in which you squeezed a rubber air bulb to
> > fire the shutter. The term is as old as the PC falsh terminal, that
> > was how a flash connected on a Prontor or Compur shutter
> > (Pronto-Compur shortened to PC)
>
> I've still got a working air release. I bought it new in the 1980s, I
> believe.

When I got my first DSLR I had trouble getting my head around the lack
of a fitting for a bulb.

[Whisky-dave]

I found mine a few years ago a 20ft air release with a bulb to
squeeze,
the rubber had perished and sort of moulded its self together.
Brought around 1984 IIRC.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

I think my first one may have had a convention cable release socket; but
I don't have any that take those any more.

[Frank S]

"David Dyer-Bennet" <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote in message

news:ylfkobt1...@dd-b.net...

> "J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> writes:
>
>> In article <ylfkfwej...@dd-b.net>, dd...@dd-b.net says...
>>>
>>> Darrell Larose <Darrell...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > Jennifer Murphy wrote:
>>> >> I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
>>> >>
>>> >> What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
>>> >>
>>> >> The answer is "Bulb".
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this still used?
>>> >>
>>> >> Does it mean "flash"?
>>> >>
>>> >> What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
>>> >>
>>> > It's a term left over from the late 1800 to mid 1900 when a remote
>>> > release was an air release, in which you squeezed a rubber air bulb to
>>> > fire the shutter. The term is as old as the PC falsh terminal, that
>>> > was how a flash connected on a Prontor or Compur shutter
>>> > (Pronto-Compur shortened to PC)
>>>
>>> I've still got a working air release. I bought it new in the 1980s, I
>>> believe.
>>
>> When I got my first DSLR I had trouble getting my head around the lack
>> of a fitting for a bulb.
>
> I think my first one may have had a convention cable release socket; but
> I don't have any that take those any more.
>

I may have missed it, but I don't recall seeing in this thread any mention
of the "B" setting's most salient characteristic: it keeps the shutter open
as long as the bulb is squeezed (shutter release depressed). On non-B
settings an air release or cable just remote-izes the necessary pressure to
cause the click.

--
Frank ess

[David Dyer-Bennet]

For long time exposures the "T" setting is more useful anyway. The bulb
is useful largely because it can be rather far from the camera (long
tube) and still work reliably.

[Robert Coe]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:50:25 -0500, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
: In article <af08j7dc8ca4cmsvl...@4ax.com>, Jennifer

: Murphy <JenM...@jm.invalid> wrote:
:
: > I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
: >
: > What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
: >
: > The answer is "Bulb".
: >
: > Is this still used?
:
: yes. many cameras have a 'b' or bulb setting.
:
: > Does it mean "flash"?
:
: no.
:
: > What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
:
: bulb is for exposures longer than the slowest built-in shutter speed,
: generally ranging from a few seconds to a few hours.
:
: you press the shutter release button to open the shutter, hold it down
: to keep it open and when you let go, it closes. it gets its name from
: air bulbs, similar to the one your doctor uses when taking blood
: pressure.

Does anyone else question that etymology? Since I first picked up a camera,
I've understood the "bulb" referred to by the "B" setting to be a flashbulb.
Early flashbulbs had a variety of speeds at which they reached full
brightness, and some flash units were independent of the camera and had to be
set off by hand. (My dad had one of those.) I was told that the "B" setting
was to accommodate the variety of different equipment in use.

I consider the air-release bulb explanation to be suspect anyway, because I
doubt that an air release could be counted on to hold pressure well enough to
guarantee that the shutter would stay open. I've seen air releases used a fair
number of times, but never to control a long exposure. For that you would have
used a cable release with a ratchet or screw lock. An air release was for when
you were too far from the camera to use a cable release.

I realize that I'm at odds with Wikipedia. But it wouldn't be the first time
they've been wrong.

Bob

[nospam]

In article <ehhtj75se86kc6mis...@4ax.com>, Robert Coe

<b...@1776.COM> wrote:

> : > What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
> :
> : bulb is for exposures longer than the slowest built-in shutter speed,
> : generally ranging from a few seconds to a few hours.
> :
> : you press the shutter release button to open the shutter, hold it down
> : to keep it open and when you let go, it closes. it gets its name from
> : air bulbs, similar to the one your doctor uses when taking blood
> : pressure.
>
> Does anyone else question that etymology?

i don't. i remember air bulb shutter releases, and it wasn't all that
long ago either. cable releases work well for short distances, but for
longer runs they tend to bind. using air is a lot more reliable.

> Since I first picked up a camera,
> I've understood the "bulb" referred to by the "B" setting to be a flashbulb.
> Early flashbulbs had a variety of speeds at which they reached full
> brightness, and some flash units were independent of the camera and had to be
> set off by hand. (My dad had one of those.) I was told that the "B" setting
> was to accommodate the variety of different equipment in use.

some cameras had multiple flash sync terminals to match flash bulb
timings versus electronic flash.

> I consider the air-release bulb explanation to be suspect anyway, because I
> doubt that an air release could be counted on to hold pressure well enough to
> guarantee that the shutter would stay open. I've seen air releases used a fair
> number of times, but never to control a long exposure. For that you would have
> used a cable release with a ratchet or screw lock. An air release was for when
> you were too far from the camera to use a cable release.

ever have your blood pressure taken? that seems to hold pretty well,
does it not?

> I realize that I'm at odds with Wikipedia. But it wouldn't be the first time
> they've been wrong.

true, but this isn't one of them.

[Peter Irwin]

Robert Coe <b...@1776.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone else question that etymology? Since I first picked up a camera,
> I've understood the "bulb" referred to by the "B" setting to be a flashbulb.

It can't be. "B" appears on shutters made well before the advent
of flashbulbs. You can see "B" on late 19th century shutters,
while flashbulbs were developed in the late 1920s and were rare
before the 1930s.

The "B" setting is useful for open flash with bulbs or flashpowder,
but the "bulb" of the name is the pneumatic release.

>
> I consider the air-release bulb explanation to be suspect anyway, because I
> doubt that an air release could be counted on to hold pressure well enough to
> guarantee that the shutter would stay open. I've seen air releases used a fair
> number of times, but never to control a long exposure.

That's because you haven't met good ones. Good quality rubber
bulbs, valves and hoses can hold pressure all day. They used
to be common in the era of pneumatic shutters 100 years ago.

> An air release was for when
> you were too far from the camera to use a cable release.

The cable release started taking over from the air release about
100 years ago. It happened about the same time that clockwork
shutters started taking over from pneumatic ones. (You can use
a cable release with many pneumatic shutters, the standard screw
fitting is actually originally intended to fit the Compound pneumatic
shutters, but by and large you can't hook up a hose directly to
a clockwork shutter.)

Peter.
--
pir...@ktb.net

[David Dyer-Bennet]

I've used air releases, for the sort of time that would be needed to
trigger a bulb, I've never had one leak down enough to close the
shutter. (This doesn't mean I can in any way confirm that etymology;
but my experience is that an air release *could* be used as described,
at least.)

For real time exposures, you use the "T" shutter setting of course,
which doesn't have those problems.

(Another advantage of bulb releases is that the tubing was less stiff,
so it was harder to move the camera accidentally while manipulating it.)

> I realize that I'm at odds with Wikipedia. But it wouldn't be the first time
> they've been wrong.

Indeed not.

What citations do they give to support the current article?

[Eric Stevens]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:44:29 -0500, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:50:25 -0500, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>: In article <af08j7dc8ca4cmsvl...@4ax.com>, Jennifer
>: Murphy <JenM...@jm.invalid> wrote:
>:
>: > I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
>: >
>: > What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
>: >
>: > The answer is "Bulb".
>: >
>: > Is this still used?
>:
>: yes. many cameras have a 'b' or bulb setting.
>:
>: > Does it mean "flash"?
>:
>: no.
>:
>: > What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
>:
>: bulb is for exposures longer than the slowest built-in shutter speed,
>: generally ranging from a few seconds to a few hours.
>:
>: you press the shutter release button to open the shutter, hold it down
>: to keep it open and when you let go, it closes. it gets its name from
>: air bulbs, similar to the one your doctor uses when taking blood
>: pressure.
>
>Does anyone else question that etymology? Since I first picked up a camera,
>I've understood the "bulb" referred to by the "B" setting to be a flashbulb.
>Early flashbulbs had a variety of speeds at which they reached full
>brightness, and some flash units were independent of the camera and had to be
>set off by hand. (My dad had one of those.) I was told that the "B" setting
>was to accommodate the variety of different equipment in use.

In the early days of photography exposures could range from 1/20sec to
20sec. So-called 'instantaneous' shutters could cope with the shorter
exposures but the longer exposures had to be conducted by the
photographer. In the very early days the conventional way for the
photographer to do this was by removing the lens cap and then putting
it back again. Manufacturers of instantaneous shutters began to offer
the ability for the photographer to hold the shutter open for the
desired length of time and then to release it.

In these early days pneumatic systems utilising rubber bulbs were the
predominate type of remote control for shutters. As well as the
various instantaneous speed settings, shutters would offer the
photographer the opportunity to directly control the exposure via the
bulb rather than leaving it to the timer in the shutter. So that's all
the 'B' means, that the shutter is under the control of the Bulb.

>I consider the air-release bulb explanation to be suspect anyway, because I
>doubt that an air release could be counted on to hold pressure well enough to
>guarantee that the shutter would stay open. I've seen air releases used a fair
>number of times, but never to control a long exposure. For that you would have
>used a cable release with a ratchet or screw lock. An air release was for when
>you were too far from the camera to use a cable release.

Depending on their condition, air releases are good for several
minutes, or longer. It all depends upon how they are designed and
built.

>
>I realize that I'm at odds with Wikipedia. But it wouldn't be the first time
>they've been wrong.
>
>Bob

Regards,

Eric Stevens

[Eric Stevens]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Peter Irwin <pir...@ktb.net>
wrote:

>Robert Coe <b...@1776.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone else question that etymology? Since I first picked up a camera,
>> I've understood the "bulb" referred to by the "B" setting to be a flashbulb.
>
>It can't be. "B" appears on shutters made well before the advent
>of flashbulbs. You can see "B" on late 19th century shutters,
>while flashbulbs were developed in the late 1920s and were rare
>before the 1930s.

First flashes were in 1899. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash-lamp

>
>The "B" setting is useful for open flash with bulbs or flashpowder,
>but the "bulb" of the name is the pneumatic release.
>>
>> I consider the air-release bulb explanation to be suspect anyway, because I
>> doubt that an air release could be counted on to hold pressure well enough to
>> guarantee that the shutter would stay open. I've seen air releases used a fair
>> number of times, but never to control a long exposure.
>
>That's because you haven't met good ones. Good quality rubber
>bulbs, valves and hoses can hold pressure all day. They used
>to be common in the era of pneumatic shutters 100 years ago.
>
>> An air release was for when
>> you were too far from the camera to use a cable release.
>
>The cable release started taking over from the air release about
>100 years ago. It happened about the same time that clockwork
>shutters started taking over from pneumatic ones. (You can use
>a cable release with many pneumatic shutters, the standard screw
>fitting is actually originally intended to fit the Compound pneumatic
>shutters, but by and large you can't hook up a hose directly to
>a clockwork shutter.)
>
>Peter.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

[Peter Irwin]

Eric Stevens <eric.s...@sum.co.nz> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Peter Irwin <pir...@ktb.net>
> wrote:
>>It can't be. "B" appears on shutters made well before the advent
>>of flashbulbs. You can see "B" on late 19th century shutters,
>>while flashbulbs were developed in the late 1920s and were rare
>>before the 1930s.
>
> First flashes were in 1899. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash-lamp

That "Flash lamp" is a device for setting off flash powder,
not a flashbulb.

Peter.
--
pir...@ktb.net

[Neil Ellwood]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:44:29 -0500, Robert Coe wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:50:25 -0500, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
> : In article <af08j7dc8ca4cmsvl...@4ax.com>, Jennifer :
> Murphy <JenM...@jm.invalid> wrote:
> :
> : > I happened to see this question on an old Trivial Pursuit card:
> : >
> : > What does the camera shutter speed B stand for?
> : >
> : > The answer is "Bulb".
> : >
> : > Is this still used?
> :
> : yes. many cameras have a 'b' or bulb setting.
> :
> : > Does it mean "flash"?
> :
> : no.
> :
> : > What, exactly, does it do (or did it do)?
> :
> : bulb is for exposures longer than the slowest built-in shutter speed,
> : generally ranging from a few seconds to a few hours.
> :
> : you press the shutter release button to open the shutter, hold it down
> : to keep it open and when you let go, it closes. it gets its name from
> : air bulbs, similar to the one your doctor uses when taking blood :
> pressure.
>
> Does anyone else question that etymology?

I don't.
In the early 60's I acquired an old plate camera (with a lot of other
stuff) from a church jumble sale. The camera had a name plate that
included a date of 1898. The shutter was marked with 1/50 1/25 1/4 sec
and B, T.

Since I first picked up a
> camera, I've understood the "bulb" referred to by the "B" setting to be
> a flashbulb. Early flashbulbs had a variety of speeds at which they
> reached full brightness, and some flash units were independent of the
> camera and had to be set off by hand. (My dad had one of those.) I was
> told that the "B" setting was to accommodate the variety of different
> equipment in use.

This was before the introduction of Flash bulbs.

>
> I consider the air-release bulb explanation to be suspect anyway,
> because I doubt that an air release could be counted on to hold pressure
> well enough to guarantee that the shutter would stay open. I've seen air
> releases used a fair number of times, but never to control a long
> exposure. For that you would have used a cable release with a ratchet or
> screw lock. An air release was for when you were too far from the camera
> to use a cable release.
>
> I realize that I'm at odds with Wikipedia. But it wouldn't be the first
> time they've been wrong.
>
> Bob

I never rely on wikipedia.



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[Alan Browne]

On 2012-02-18 12:28 , Neil Ellwood wrote:
> I never rely on wikipedia.

Nor should you rely on any single source.


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