rec.photo.digital decline....
Ian B
I have 'lurked' around this newsgroup for a couple of years now, time was
when it was really enjoyable looking at the photos of pro's, semi-pros and
ameuters alike. Names like Annika, Rita Berkowitz etc posted great photos
to enjoy.
I only have a P&S, never dared to post anything as mine are nowhere near the
quality of most on this site.....
Sadly, all I ever see now is arguments and back biting - all the fun has
gone....as am I.
Bye....
clarke fenton
If you think those are photos that are worth viewing ...
As they say ...
Don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out!
Now maybe this newsgroup might get some people with which photography might be
worth discussing. Those who know good photography from CRAP.
Fred
news:49116c61$1...@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
make the fatal mistake of admitting that you own a P&S camera, or link to
any photos from same, the likelihood is that you'll get shot down in flames
by some of the self-righteous DSLR types on here, who think they have a God
given right to pour scorn from their ivory towers on anyone who dare to have
the temerity to suggest that P&S cameras may have any merits at all.
It does get rather wearisome in here listening to the constant droning from
these bores who are still stuck in the 20th century.
Any thread that dares to compare P&S and DSLRs is immediately pounced upon
by a few of these holier than thou types, who insist on inflating their
flacid egos by having a dig at non-DSLR users.
I sometimes wonder whether these sad people actually take any photographs at
all, or merely post on here to inflate their grandiose opinion of
themselves, by sniping at people who are out there every day actually using
their cameras, rather than having to leave them at home because it's just
too much trouble lugging that heavy camera bag around everywhere.
Ian B
"clarke fenton" <ctfe...@privatemail.net> wrote in message
news:a8s2h4h3surtqugd5...@4ax.com...
Thats the trouble, you don't discuss anything, you just bitch about it,
can't say I've seen anything worth rembering from you.....
>
Fred
>
> As they say ...
>
> Don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out!
>
> Now maybe this newsgroup might get some people with which photography
> might be
> worth discussing. Those who know good photography from CRAP.
>
>
>
summed up!
old....@cmaaccess.com
wrote:
>It does get rather wearisome in here listening to the constant droning from
>these bores who are still stuck in the 20th century.
Then use a kill filter on them, and there posts of
worthlessness will never show up again.
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Alfred Molon
> I have 'lurked' around this newsgroup for a couple of years now, time was
> when it was really enjoyable looking at the photos of pro's, semi-pros and
> ameuters alike. Names like Annika, Rita Berkowitz etc posted great photos
> to enjoy.
This NG is not primarily about sharing photos...
> I only have a P&S, never dared to post anything as mine are nowhere near the
> quality of most on this site.....
>
> Sadly, all I ever see now is arguments and back biting - all the fun has
> gone....as am I.
That has always been the case, even in the past. But now there is a
different problem: low traffic/participation. This used to be a 400
messages/day NG, now we are down to perhaps 100 messages/day.
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B?wser
>
> I have 'lurked' around this newsgroup for a couple of years now, time was
> when it was really enjoyable looking at the photos of pro's, semi-pros and
> ameuters alike. Names like Annika, Rita Berkowitz etc posted great photos
> to enjoy.
Well, maybe. Rita's stuff is usually pretty bad, but the trick is to just
ignore it.
>
> I only have a P&S, never dared to post anything as mine are nowhere near
> the quality of most on this site.....
Nobody cares what you use. Post the pics! If you get the results you want
using a pinhole camera, great!
>
> Sadly, all I ever see now is arguments and back biting - all the fun has
> gone....as am I.
OK, but you should have posted the pics first. Why not?
Don Stauffer
eight years or so. There are times when group got really bad and I
would take a sabbatical for a few months. I don't think it is as bad now
as at its really low points when I'd check out for awhile. There was
some really childish stuff going on.
The spam attacks this summer were really bad, but even those are less now.
Don Stauffer
.
>>
> Yes this group should really be called rec.photo.digitalslr, because if you
> make the fatal mistake of admitting that you own a P&S camera, or link to
> any photos from same, the likelihood is that you'll get shot down in flames
> by some of the self-righteous DSLR types on here, who think they have a God
> given right to pour scorn from their ivory towers on anyone who dare to have
> the temerity to suggest that P&S cameras may have any merits at all.
>
Well, we have two DSLRs and a digital P & S. We see the need for both.
Just like in film days, most people I knew had more than one camera.
And the debate between SLRs and rangefinders went on for many years.
Or, the arguments between 35mm and 2 and a quarter format.
There, of course is even the scorn of those who have a $5,000 DSLR for
those who only have a $500 DSLR :-) See, look at me, I'm rich- I can
afford all that expensive stuff. You're poor- a peon. Oh, and a tripod
costing less than $400 bucks is worthless, etc.
Sheila
What's really interesting about this group is the loyalty that user's
have to either Nikon or Canon. It happens off the net too. My husband
and I were in Best Buy looking at different cameras and I made a comment
about the Canon 40D, I said it gets good ratings and the photos that
people have posted on another newsgroup from the camera were really
nice. Another guy commented that he had a 40D and really liked it. When
I commented that we hadn't used any Canons but had Nikons, he said that
'he couldn't talk to us'. Personally, I think both Nikon and Canon are
good.
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John Navas
wrote in <49116c61$1...@glkas0286.greenlnk.net>:
Was there some point to your message?
Do you expect applause?
Do you expect anyone to care?
If you don't like it, just leave.
Posting a goodbye like this is, well, childish.
(No offense intended.)
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tony cooper
wrote:
>What's really interesting about this group is the loyalty that user's
>have to either Nikon or Canon. It happens off the net too. My husband
>and I were in Best Buy looking at different cameras and I made a comment
>about the Canon 40D, I said it gets good ratings and the photos that
>people have posted on another newsgroup from the camera were really
>nice. Another guy commented that he had a 40D and really liked it. When
>I commented that we hadn't used any Canons but had Nikons, he said that
>'he couldn't talk to us'. Personally, I think both Nikon and Canon are
>good.
I was shooting yesterday at a county fair and some guy noticed my
camera and said approvingly "Good to see another Nikon user".
I was tempted to look at his shoes and say "Good to see another Nike
wearer", or his pants and say "Good to see another Wrangler wearer".
I wasn't tempted to see if we both wore Hanes underwear, though.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Sheila
tony cooper
Alan Browne
I was in the Wash DC Museum of Natural History (a great museum) this
August and I had my Maxxum 7D with me. A lady nudges up beside me with
her Sony a700. She complemented my lens (adding with a wink "I only use
B+W filters too.") We chatted about our trials and tribulations as
Minolta system users and I learned that she was a professional
photographer and like me looking forward to the Sony a900. I showed her
my CZ 135 f/1.8 and she was very pleased to try it out (on my camera) as
she hadn't decided to buy as yet...
At a parade in Montreal this summer, my SO had my Maxxum 9 while I shot
with the Maxxum 7D. Another pro stopped to say hello to her (he had a
Maxxum 9, a Maxxum 7D and two Sony a700's with him). He tried my 135
f/1.8 as well and was impressed and he was surprised to learn that it
was a FF lens (He had assumed otherwise as at the CZ zooms to date for
the A-mount are cropped).
OTOH I ran into a "xxxon" man in Silverton, CO a couple years ago who
sneered at my Minolta gear. As I maneuvered for position around the old
steam trains working on shots w/o crowds, and to fit the scene and
taking odd angles and chatting with the engineer, shooting about 50
frames, all he managed to do was a couple standing P&S shots of his wife
and grandkids grinning and standing by the train with other tourists
with the sunlight glaring at his lens and no fill flash.
Later that day (back in Washington now) after visiting the Lincoln
Memorial I spotted a "xxxon" user on the lower steps having difficulty
with a backlit on-body fill-flash shot. I casually watched as he took a
couple shots and looked at the result in the monitor, puzzled.
Obviously a serious shooter, he had a good tripod and his bag of
equipment near by. His subject, a young woman, was patiently waiting
for him to get his shot right.
As I sauntered by I bent down, touched his petal lens shade and said,
"better remove this". He said, "Oh yeah!" (realizing the cause),
removed the lens shade and proceeded with his shot. Nailed it and
turned to grin at me with thanks. (the petal lens shade was blocking
some of the flash light from getting at the subject).
Anyway, all that to say that while brand loyalty can be carried too far
it also makes for a degree of sharing, fellowship and learning too. And
contrarywise, someone who believes their gear makes them as good as the
best pros using the same label is very deluded (as you allude to).
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tony cooper
<alan....@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>Obviously a serious shooter, he had a good tripod and his bag of
>equipment near by. His subject, a young woman, was patiently waiting
>for him to get his shot right.
>As I sauntered by I bent down, touched his petal lens shade and said,
>"better remove this". He said, "Oh yeah!" (realizing the cause),
>removed the lens shade and proceeded with his shot. Nailed it and
>turned to grin at me with thanks. (the petal lens shade was blocking
>some of the flash light from getting at the subject).
>
One of my other hobbies is scuba diving. Since my wife doesn't dive,
I have to buddy-up with strangers on dive trips. I long ago learned
*not* to buddy-up with the guy with the "serious" equipment. I look
for the guy who has old, well-worn, good quality gear.
Paul Bartram
"Sheila" <swda...@bellsouth.net> wrote
> What's really interesting about this group is the loyalty that user's have
> to either Nikon or Canon. It happens off the net too.
Very reminiscent of the rivalry between Ford and Holden drivers here in
Australia. Each thinks the other's ironmongery is rubbish and fist-fights
have broken out at car fairs! Silly really, both make cars that do the job
asked of them, and have been making and selling heaps of them since the
1950s (if not earlier - I wouldn't know, I drive a Toyota!)
I must confess I've stuck with Nikon through the years, mainly because of
lens compatibility between models. But I don't sneer at Canon users, that is
their choice.
Paul
savvo
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:08:48 -0000, "Ian B" <ian....@baesystems.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have 'lurked' around this newsgroup for a couple of years now, time was
>>when it was really enjoyable looking at the photos of pro's, semi-pros and
>>ameuters alike. Names like Annika, Rita Berkowitz etc posted great photos
>>to enjoy.
>
For once, Vern, your stopped clock is telling the right time.
--
savvo orig. invib. man
Alan Browne
That summarizes it quite aptly.
Ralph Samuelson, III
"Paul Bartram" <p.bartram AT OR NEAR mysoul.com.au> wrote in message
news:4912b532$0$81326$c30e...@pit-reader.telstra.net...
SMS
> So why do SOME of you sneer at Olympus users?
Not at Olympus users, at Olympus D-SLRs. I have an Olympus camera that I
use, so I'd never swear at Olympus users.
Pointing out the various pros and cons of different equipment is
certainly on-topic for this group.
Darrel Stevens
Good, then you should have no problems with this on-topic information. Many
points outlined below completely disprove your usual resident-troll nonsense.
You can either read it and educate yourself, or don't read it and continue to
appear to be nothing but a virtual-photographer troll and a fool.
1. P&S cameras can have more seamless zoom range than any DSLR glass in
existence. (E.g. 9mm f2.7 - 1248mm f/3.5.) There are now some excellent
wide-angle and telephoto (tel-extender) add-on lenses for many makes and models
of P&S cameras. Add either or both of these small additions to your photography
gear and, with some of the new super-zoom P&S cameras, you can far surpass any
range of focal-lengths and apertures that are available or will ever be made for
larger format cameras.
2. P&S cameras can have much wider apertures at longer focal lengths than any
DSLR glass in existence. (E.g. 549mm f/2.4 and 1248mm f/3.5) when used with
high-quality tel-extenders, which by the way, do not reduce the lens' original
aperture one bit. Only DSLRs suffer from that problem due to the manner in which
their tele-converters work. They can also have higher quality full-frame
180-degree circular fisheye and intermediate super-wide-angle views than any
DSLR and its glass in existence. Some excellent fish-eye adapters can be added
to your P&S camera which do not impart any chromatic-aberration nor
edge-softness. When used with a super-zoom P&S camera this allows you to
seamlessly go from as wide as a 9mm (or even wider) 35mm equivalent focal-length
up to the wide-angle setting of the camera's own lens.
3. P&S smaller sensor cameras can and do have wider dynamic range than larger
sensor cameras E.g. a 1/2.5" sized sensor can have a 10.3EV Dynamic Range vs. an
APS-C's typical 7.0-8.0EV Dynamic Range. One quick example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2861257547_9a7ceaf3a1_o.jpg
4. P&S cameras are cost efficient. Due to the smaller (but excellent) sensors
used in many of them today, the lenses for these cameras are much smaller.
Smaller lenses are easier to manufacture to exacting curvatures and are more
easily corrected for aberrations than larger glass used for DSLRs. This also
allows them to perform better at all apertures rather than DSLR glass which is
only good for one aperture setting per lens. Side by side tests prove that P&S
glass can out-resolve even the best DSLR glass ever made. After all is said and
done, you will spend 1/4th to 1/50th the price that you would have to in order
to get comparable performance in a DSLR camera. When you buy a DSLR you are
investing in a body that will require expensive lenses, hand-grips, external
flash units, heavy tripods, more expensive larger filters, etc. etc. The
outrageous costs of owning a DSLR add up fast after that initial DSLR body
purchase. Camera companies count on this, all the way to their banks.
5. P&S cameras are lightweight and convenient. With just one P&S camera plus one
small wide-angle adapter and one small telephoto adapter weighing just a couple
pounds, you have the same amount of zoom range as would require over 10 to 20
pounds of DSLR body and lenses. You can carry the whole P&S kit in one roomy
pocket of a wind-breaker or jacket. The DSLR kit would require a sturdy
backpack. You also don't require a massive tripod. Large tripods are required to
stabilize the heavy and unbalanced mass of the larger DSLR and its massive
lenses. A P&S camera, being so light, can be used on some of the most
inexpensive, compact, and lightweight tripods with excellent results.
6. P&S cameras are silent. For the more common snap-shooter/photographer, you
will not be barred from using your camera at public events, stage-performances,
and ceremonies. Or when trying to capture candid shots, you won't so easily
alert all those within a block around, from the obnoxious noise that your DSLR
is making, that you are capturing anyone's images. For the more dedicated
wildlife photographer a P&S camera will not endanger your life when
photographing potentially dangerous animals by alerting them to your presence.
7. Some P&S cameras can run the revolutionary CHDK software on them, which
allows for lightning-fast motion detection (literally, lightning fast 45ms
response time, able to capture lightning strikes automatically) so that you may
capture more elusive and shy animals (in still-frame and video) where any
evidence of your presence at all might prevent their appearance. Without the
need of carrying a tethered laptop along or any other hardware into remote
areas--which only limits your range, distance, and time allotted for bringing
back that one-of-a-kind image. It also allows for unattended time-lapse
photography for days and weeks at a time, so that you may capture those unusual
or intriguing subject-studies in nature. E.g. a rare slime-mold's propagation,
that you happened to find in a mountain-ravine, 10-days hike from the nearest
laptop or other time-lapse hardware. (The wealth of astounding new features that
CHDK brings to the creative-table of photography are too extensive to begin to
list them all here. See http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK )
8. P&S cameras can have shutter speeds up to 1/40,000th of a second. See:
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CameraFeatures Allowing you to capture fast subject
motion in nature (e.g. insect and hummingbird wings) WITHOUT the need of
artificial and image destroying flash, using available light alone. Nor will
their wing shapes be unnaturally distorted from the focal-plane shutter
distortions imparted in any fast moving objects, as when photographed with all
DSLRs. (See focal-plane-shutter-distortions example-image link in #10.)
9. P&S cameras can have full-frame flash-sync up to and including shutter-speeds
of 1/40,000th of a second. E.g.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Samples:_High-Speed_Shutter_%26_Flash-Sync without
the use of any expensive and specialized focal-plane shutter flash-units that
must strobe for the full duration of the shutter's curtain to pass over the
frame. The other downside to those kinds of flash units, is that the
light-output is greatly reduced the faster the shutter speed. Any shutter speed
used that is faster than your camera's X-Sync speed is cutting off some of the
flash output. Not so when using a leaf-shutter. The full intensity of the flash
is recorded no matter the shutter speed used. Unless, as in the case of CHDK
capable cameras where the camera's shutter speed can even be faster than the
lightning-fast single burst from a flash unit. E.g. If the flash's duration is
1/10,000 of a second, and your CHDK camera's shutter is set to 1/20,000 of a
second, then it will only record half of that flash output. P&S cameras also
don't require any expensive and dedicated external flash unit. Any of them may
be used with any flash unit made by using an inexpensive slave-trigger that can
compensate for any automated pre-flash conditions. Example:
http://www.adorama.com/SZ23504.html
10. P&S cameras do not suffer from focal-plane shutter drawbacks and
limitations. Causing camera shake, moving-subject image distortions
(focal-plane-shutter distortions, e.g.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/chdk/images//4/46/Focalplane_shutter_distortions.jpg
do note the distorted tail-rotor too and its shadow on the ground, 90-degrees
from one another), last-century-slow flash-sync, obnoxiously loud slapping
mirrors and shutter curtains, shorter mechanical life, easily damaged, expensive
repair costs, etc.
11. When doing wildlife photography in remote and rugged areas and harsh
environments, or even when the amateur snap-shooter is trying to take their
vacation photos on a beach or dusty intersection on some city street, you're not
worrying about trying to change lenses in time to get that shot (fewer missed
shots), dropping one in the mud, lake, surf, or on concrete while you do, and
not worrying about ruining all the rest of your photos that day from having
gotten dust & crud on the sensor. For the adventurous photographer you're no
longer weighed down by many many extra pounds of unneeded glass, allowing you to
carry more of the important supplies, like food and water, allowing you to trek
much further than you've ever been able to travel before with your old D/SLR
bricks.
12. Smaller sensors and the larger apertures available allow for the deep DOF
required for excellent macro-photography, WITHOUT the need of any image
destroying, subject irritating, natural-look destroying flash. No DSLR on the
planet can compare in the quality of available-light macro photography that can
be accomplished with nearly any smaller-sensor P&S camera.
13. P&S cameras include video, and some even provide for CD-quality stereo audio
recordings, so that you might capture those rare events in nature where a
still-frame alone could never prove all those "scientists" wrong. E.g. recording
the paw-drumming communication patterns of eusocial-living field-mice. With your
P&S video-capable camera in your pocket you won't miss that once-in-a-lifetime
chance to record some unexpected event, like the passage of a bright meteor in
the sky in daytime, a mid-air explosion, or any other newsworthy event. Imagine
the gaping hole in our history of the Hindenberg if there were no film cameras
there at the time. The mystery of how it exploded would have never been solved.
Or the amateur 8mm film of the shooting of President Kennedy. Your video-ready
P&S camera being with you all the time might capture something that will be a
valuable part of human history one day.
14. P&S cameras have 100% viewfinder coverage that exactly matches your final
image. No important bits lost, and no chance of ruining your composition by
trying to "guess" what will show up in the final image. With the ability to
overlay live RGB-histograms, and under/over-exposure area alerts (and dozens of
other important shooting data) directly on your electronic viewfinder display
you are also not going to guess if your exposure might be right this time. Nor
do you have to remove your eye from the view of your subject to check some
external LCD histogram display, ruining your chances of getting that perfect
shot when it happens.
15. P&S cameras can and do focus in lower-light (which is common in natural
settings) than any DSLRs in existence, due to electronic viewfinders and sensors
that can be increased in gain for framing and focusing purposes as light-levels
drop. Some P&S cameras can even take images (AND videos) in total darkness by
using IR illumination alone. (See: Sony) No other multi-purpose cameras are
capable of taking still-frame and videos of nocturnal wildlife as easily nor as
well. Shooting videos and still-frames of nocturnal animals in the total-dark,
without disturbing their natural behavior by the use of flash, from 90 ft. away
with a 549mm f/2.4 lens is not only possible, it's been done, many times, by
myself. (An interesting and true story: one wildlife photographer was nearly
stomped to death by an irate moose that attacked where it saw his camera's flash
come from.)
16. Without the need to use flash in all situations, and a P&S's nearly 100%
silent operation, you are not disturbing your wildlife, neither scaring it away
nor changing their natural behavior with your existence. Nor, as previously
mentioned, drawing its defensive behavior in your direction. You are recording
nature as it is, and should be, not some artificial human-changed distortion of
reality and nature.
17. Nature photography requires that the image be captured with the greatest
degree of accuracy possible. NO focal-plane shutter in existence, with its
inherent focal-plane-shutter distortions imparted on any moving subject will
EVER capture any moving subject in nature 100% accurately. A leaf-shutter or
electronic shutter, as is found in ALL P&S cameras, will capture your moving
subject in nature with 100% accuracy. Your P&S photography will no longer lead a
biologist nor other scientist down another DSLR-distorted path of non-reality.
18. Some P&S cameras have shutter-lag times that are even shorter than all the
popular DSLRs, due to the fact that they don't have to move those agonizingly
slow and loud mirrors and shutter curtains in time before the shot is recorded.
In the hands of an experienced photographer that will always rely on prefocusing
their camera, there is no hit & miss auto-focusing that happens on all
auto-focus systems, DSLRs included. This allows you to take advantage of the
faster shutter response times of P&S cameras. Any pro worth his salt knows that
if you really want to get every shot, you don't depend on automatic anything in
any camera.
19. An electronic viewfinder, as exists in all P&S cameras, can accurately relay
the camera's shutter-speed in real-time. Giving you a 100% accurate preview of
what your final subject is going to look like when shot at 3 seconds or
1/20,000th of a second. Your soft waterfall effects, or the crisp sharp outlines
of your stopped-motion hummingbird wings will be 100% accurately depicted in
your viewfinder before you even record the shot. What you see in a P&S camera is
truly what you get. You won't have to guess in advance at what shutter speed to
use to obtain those artistic effects or those scientifically accurate nature
studies that you require or that your client requires. When testing CHDK P&S
cameras that could have shutter speeds as fast as 1/40,000th of a second, I was
amazed that I could half-depress the shutter and watch in the viewfinder as a
Dremel-Drill's 30,000 rpm rotating disk was stopped in crisp detail in real
time, without ever having taken an example shot yet. Similarly true when
lowering shutter speeds for milky-water effects when shooting rapids and falls,
instantly seeing the effect in your viewfinder. Poor DSLR-trolls will never
realize what they are missing with their anciently slow focal-plane shutters and
wholly inaccurate optical viewfinders.
20. P&S cameras can obtain the very same bokeh (out of focus foreground and
background) as any DSLR by just increasing your focal length, through use of its
own built-in super-zoom lens or attaching a high-quality telextender on the
front. Just back up from your subject more than you usually would with a DSLR.
Framing and the included background is relative to the subject at the time and
has nothing at all to do with the kind of camera and lens in use. Your f/ratio
(which determines your depth-of-field), is a computation of focal-length divided
by aperture diameter. Increase the focal-length and you make your DOF shallower.
No different than opening up the aperture to accomplish the same. The two
methods are identically related where DOF is concerned.
21. P&S cameras will have perfectly fine noise-free images at lower ISOs with
just as much resolution as any DSLR camera. Experienced Pros grew up on ISO25
and ISO64 film all their lives. They won't even care if their P&S camera can't
go above ISO400 without noise. An added bonus is that the P&S camera can have
larger apertures at longer focal-lengths than any DSLR in existence. The time
when you really need a fast lens to prevent camera-shake that gets amplified at
those focal-lengths. Even at low ISOs you can take perfectly fine hand-held
images at super-zoom settings. Whereas the DSLR, with its very small apertures
at long focal lengths require ISOs above 3200 to obtain the same results. They
need high ISOs, you don't. If you really require low-noise high ISOs, there are
some excellent models of Fuji P&S cameras that do have noise-free images up to
ISO1600 and more.
22. Don't for one minute think that the price of your camera will in any way
determine the quality of your photography. Any of the newer cameras of around
$100 or more are plenty good for nearly any talented photographer today. IF they
have talent to begin with. A REAL pro can take an award winning photograph with
a cardboard Brownie Box camera made a century ago. If you can't take excellent
photos on a P&S camera then you won't be able to get good photos on a DSLR
either. Never blame your inability to obtain a good photograph on the kind of
camera that you own. Those who claim they NEED a DSLR are only fooling
themselves and all others. These are the same people that buy a new camera every
year, each time thinking, "Oh, if I only had the right camera, a better camera,
better lenses, faster lenses, then I will be a great photographer!" Camera
company's love these people. They'll never be able to get a camera that will
make their photography better, because they never were a good photographer to
begin with. The irony is that by them thinking that they only need to throw
money at the problem, they'll never look in the mirror to see what the real
problem is. They'll NEVER become good photographers. Perhaps this is why these
self-proclaimed "pros" hate P&S cameras so much. P&S cameras instantly reveal to
them their piss-poor photography skills.
23. Have you ever had the fun of showing some of your exceptional P&S
photography to some self-proclaimed "Pro" who uses $30,000 worth of camera gear.
They are so impressed that they must know how you did it. You smile and tell
them, "Oh, I just use a $150 P&S camera." Don't you just love the look on their
face? A half-life of self-doubt, the realization of all that lost money, and a
sadness just courses through every fiber of their being. Wondering why they
can't get photographs as good after they spent all that time and money. Get good
on your P&S camera and you too can enjoy this fun experience.
24. Did we mention portability yet? I think we did, but it is worth mentioning
the importance of this a few times. A camera in your pocket that is instantly
ready to get any shot during any part of the day will get more award-winning
photographs than that DSLR gear that's sitting back at home, collecting dust,
and waiting to be loaded up into that expensive back-pack or camera bag, hoping
that you'll lug it around again some day.
25. A good P&S camera is a good theft deterrent. When traveling you are not
advertising to the world that you are carrying $20,000 around with you. That's
like having a sign on your back saying, "PLEASE MUG ME! I'M THIS STUPID AND I
DESERVE IT!" Keep a small P&S camera in your pocket and only take it out when
needed. You'll have a better chance of returning home with all your photos. And
should you accidentally lose your P&S camera you're not out $20,000. They are
inexpensive to replace.
There are many more reasons to add to this list but this should be more than
enough for even the most unaware person to realize that P&S cameras are just
better, all around. No doubt about it.
The phenomenon of everyone yelling "You NEED a DSLR!" can be summed up in just
one short phrase:
"If even 5 billion people are saying and doing a foolish thing, it remains a
foolish thing."
Alan Browne
> So why do SOME of you sneer at Olympus users?
Sneer? No. More like compassion for those stuck to the 4/3 system.
Very good (expensive) optics. Noise constrained growth due to the
sensor size.
I have not seen many 4/3 cameras around...
John Navas
<rk...@samuelson.com> wrote in
<KbMQk.57459$kh2....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
>So why do SOME of you sneer at Olympus users?
Because they are insecure with what they have, what they paid, and/or
their abilities. Those secure in all those things don't sneer.
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>
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"When the superior scholar hears of Tao, he diligently practises it.
When the average scholar hears of Tao, he sometimes retains it,
sometimes loses it. When the inferior scholar hears of Tao, he loudly
laughs at it. Were it not thus ridiculed, it would not be worthy of the
name of Tao." [Lao-Tzu]
SMS
> What's really interesting about this group is the loyalty that user's
> have to either Nikon or Canon.
"Blind devotion" is more accurate than "loyalty."
Some people take it as a personal affront when anyone points out a flaw
in something that they have purchased.
I could tell you five bad things about my Canon camera, and five bad
things about your Nikon camera, without getting emotional about the
design flaws in either.
I could tell you things I like and dislike about Canon as a corporation,
and things I like and dislike about Nikon as a corporation, though I
have to admit that some of the policies of Nikon U.S.A. would make it
highly unlikely that I'd ever purchase a Nikon product.