Canon 1Ds Mk II
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Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
David J. Littleboy
"[BnH]" <b18[at]ii[dot]net> wrote in message
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> Yep .. the party is over for Nikon camp.
> Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>
> http://www.eos-d-slr.net/1ds_mark2.html
That site is clearly flaky (they say that that they can't respond to any
questions and the information may disappear in a couple of days). But the
spec sheet doesn't look obviously faked, to my naive eye, anyway.
16.7 MP
Release in late November, 4 fps for 32 JPEG/11 RAW, no eye-control AF
selector, built-in AF assist strobe, RGB histograms, both CF and SD, support
for big drives, etc. etc. etc.
Other than the 16.7MP, I didn't see anything that surprised.
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Des Perado
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> Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>
> http://www.eos-d-slr.net/1ds_mark2.html
>
>
Bill Hilton
>> Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>>
>> http://www.eos-d-slr.net/1ds_mark2.html
>From: "Des Perado" d...@per.ado
>
>I find this most unlikely, given the recent release of the 20D.
As I posted about two weeks ago, while I was in Alaska recently one of the
Canon contract professionals told me a 1Ds replacement with 16 Mpix would be
announced later this September. Unless he was misinformed by Canon or pulling
my leg this would seem to agree with the site above.
Bart van der Wolf
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SNIP
> Other than the 16.7MP, I didn't see anything that surprised.
What's that part about 140,000 Yen (USD1,275)? Is it a new wireless
flash transmitter?
Bart
use...@imagenoir.com
If that brochure is a fake, it's a very good fake. The spec's sound
about right too, considering that Canon like to keep the models balanced
out against each other, while being a notch above the competition.
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David J. Littleboy
"Bart van der Wolf" <bvd...@no.spam> wrote:
> "David J. Littleboy" <dav...@gol.com> wrote:
> SNIP
> > Other than the 16.7MP, I didn't see anything that surprised.
>
> What's that part about 140,000 Yen (USD1,275)? Is it a new wireless
> flash transmitter?
Close! Wireless file transmitter.
The camera itself is "open price" which means "closed price", i.e.
there's no official list price in the Japanese market.
Howard McCollister
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> > Yep .. the party is over for Nikon camp.
> > Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
> >
Why would the $8000 full frame 16 mp 1Ds Mk II be any more of a threat to
Nikon than the $8000 full frame 12 mp 1Ds has been (which is zero)...?
HMc
Ryadia
mistake for me to have shifted camps. Hold on Nikon... I'll return!
Ryadia
BD
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http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Sep04/digiphoto.tml
"We know that Canon plans to unveil the next version of the 1Ds at
Photokina, but at the time of this writing we were not privy to any details
on its specs. But, unless another manufacturer pulls a surprise, the new
version of the 1Ds will probably be the star of the show."
Eric Gill
$45be...@newscene.com:
> "[BnH]" <b18[at]ii[dot]net> wrote in message
>> news:414ecc2e$0$24396$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> > Yep .. the party is over for Nikon camp.
>> > Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>> >
>
> Why would the $8000 full frame 16 mp 1Ds Mk II
You have a price for a camera that hasn't been announced yet?
Cool.
> be any more of a threat to
> Nikon than the $8000 full frame 12 mp 1Ds has been (which is zero)...?
That would explain why Nikon finally released a competitor, yep.
Howard McCollister
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You think the D2X is supposed to be a competitor to the full frame 1Ds?
I'm sure Nikon would be flattered, but we're talking quite a bit farther
down the price scale, here.
HMc
Darrell Larose
"[BnH]" <b18[at]ii[dot]net> wrote in message
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> Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>
> http://www.eos-d-slr.net/1ds_mark2.html
>
different size sensors, 3 differnet FOV factors. Typical of Canon! They
orphaned all the FD lens users when they decided they already had their
money from that user base, so screw them!
Darrell Larose
said the model number hadn't been finalized, but the rep was told it could
be the 2D, as they (Canon) have too many cameras designated 1D (1D, 1Ds, 1D
mk.II). There is also a persistant rumour of a 3D
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Darrell Larose
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>
> You think the D2X is supposed to be a competitor to the full frame 1Ds?
>
different formats of dSLRs
Darrell Larose
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>
> http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Sep04/digiphoto.tml
> "We know that Canon plans to unveil the next version of the 1Ds at
> Photokina, but at the time of this writing we were not privy to any
details
> on its specs. But, unless another manufacturer pulls a surprise, the new
> version of the 1Ds will probably be the star of the show."
>
on this camera since they claimed to have shelved it in 2002. Pentax will
rebadge it as their new flagship of the *ist D family. This trio will have
the current *ist D with upgraded firmware, the recently announced USD $900 *
ist DS, and the pro flagship the P *ist D
;)
Bart van der Wolf
"Darrell Larose" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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SNIP
> It seems Canon can't decide on what size CMOS they should use.
Why must they decide on a single sensor size???
> Three different size sensors, 3 differnet FOV factors. Typical of
Canon!
Yes, for each intended audience there is a product that is most
suitable.
> They orphaned all the FD lens users when they decided they already
had their
> money from that user base, so screw them!
They understood that the old (!) mount would be too much of a
restriction to make good progress. Seems like a sensible decision to
me (and I also have an F1 + some lenses I couldn't sell for a
reasonable price, the camera still works fine).
Bart
Cameron
> Yep .. the party is over for Nikon camp.
> Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>
> http://www.eos-d-slr.net/1ds_mark2.html
>
BnH, I thought you would have known better than to cross post? Why not post
the same thing to aus.photo and rec.photo.digital seperately???
Cameron
>
> "BD" <B...@BD.BD> wrote in message
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>>
> > http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Sep04/digiphoto.tml
>> "We know that Canon plans to unveil the next version of the 1Ds at
>> Photokina, but at the time of this writing we were not privy to any
> details
>> on its specs. But, unless another manufacturer pulls a surprise, the new
>> version of the 1Ds will probably be the star of the show."
>>
> Pentax will steal the show, when they re-unveil the MR-52.
Hmmmmm, wacky...
Mark B.
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>
Why? The 1DsII would be aimed at a totally different market.
Mark
AU Digital POTD
"Cameron" <ialre...@300spamaday.com> wrote in message
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...and do you have to be P*ist to buy it? lol !!
FuTAnT
> "Darrell Larose" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> SNIP
>> It seems Canon can't decide on what size CMOS they should use.
>
> Why must they decide on a single sensor size???
A consistent sensor size means stablity for users that are wanting to pool
their lenses but change bodies when the need arises. At the moment you've
got three different sensor sizes, so each lens will work differently on the
three Cameras. I've got a film EOS30, which I bought with the idea in mind
that I could upgrade (or more to the point, get a digital body as well)
while still retaining my lenses. Yes, I can retain my lenses, but depending
on what camera I get, they will all work differently.
Personally, I reckon stuff all this small sensor size shit, keep it full
size for the Digital SLR series. Canon can do it, they just choose not to.
If they insist on having a different size sensor for the lower end DSLRs
then they should atleast decide on 1 size so people can have consistency.
>
>> Three different size sensors, 3 differnet FOV factors. Typical of Canon!
>
> Yes, for each intended audience there is a product that is most
> suitable.
>
>> They orphaned all the FD lens users when they decided they already had
>> their
>> money from that user base, so screw them!
>
> They understood that the old (!) mount would be too much of a
> restriction to make good progress. Seems like a sensible decision to
> me (and I also have an F1 + some lenses I couldn't sell for a
> reasonable price, the camera still works fine).
>
> Bart
Cam
k
Pentax will steal the show, when they re-unveil the MR-52. They have worked
on this camera since they claimed to have shelved it in 2002. Pentax will
rebadge it as their new flagship of the *ist D family. This trio will have
the current *ist D with upgraded firmware, the recently announced USD $900 *
ist DS, and the pro flagship the P *ist D
Darrell you can't be serious! It's all about the name don't forget, and
Pentax have no Name Cred here in Oz..
tsk tsk!
no go away and let the good folk talk about how good their future
Nikon/Canon will be ;-)
k
Mark M
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>
All indications point to this being quite legitimate.
16MP is PERFECT in my opinion.
I just wish I could afford one.
BTW--The 20D and 1 line of DSLRs have NO relation to each other in terms of
primary intended markets.
Mark M
"Ryadia" <dont_spa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It would be helpful if you would explain what made you arrive at your
disappointment. I would like to hear what bothers you (and Canon should
hear it too).
Mark M
Sure.
They also happen to be the only manufacturer that has managed to allow folks
to perfectly utilize their existing wide angle professional lenses with a
full frame sensor.
I'm sure there are plenty of Nikon wide-shooters who would appreciate the
same from Nikon.
Mark M
There are applications where diferent sensor size becomes useful.
This is most clearly attested to by Nikon's recent announcement that their
new 12MP SLR will allow the user to switch sensor "sizes" (by basically
"cropping" the sensor's outer pixels, which creates effectively a smaller
sensor for high frame rate shooting).
They have recognized that the different sensor sizes allow different
strengths to be utilized. By using the smaller sensor, they give tele users
effective views of longer tele and high speed fps, without bogging down into
unnecessarily huge files.
Nikon has a great idea.
Canon has offered the same for some time now, but we've had to use a
different body for each. I hope Canon will move in that direction, but with
the full-frame remaining as the larger file, and a 1.3x sensor crop as the
high-speed.
This would be like owning both the 1Ds and the 1D Mark II within a single
body.
AU Digital POTD
"Mark M" <mjmo...@goaway.cox.unless.no.crap.net> wrote in message
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I think Canon's plan would simply be to provide more megapixels along with
high speed output and allow the photographer to crop out the portion of the
image required. I would rather that, than try and work within viewfinder
crops.
Sure this means that we would be shooting greater file sizes, but
realistically how long will file size be a problem? Processing grunt and
storage size/cost is getting better at a rather rapid rate, and before not
too long I suspect, worring about that will simply be a thing of the past.
Mark M
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I agree with you.
But there are pros who will gladly pay for the choice now...rather than when
technology catches up. One thing that WILL remain constant is that whatever
the latest high resolution sensors are, they will still be slower fps than a
similarly powered smaller sensor, or more accurately, a sensor of lower res.
I think Canon figures that most pros that need one or the other tend to need
it fairly exclusively (sports vs. still-life/landscape, etc.). For the most
part I think that's pretty true. And...they can also figure that pros who
truly need both won't see having to buy two bodies as so bad a thing.
Georgette Preddy
> Howard McCollister wrote:
> > Nikon than the $8000 full frame 12 mp 1Ds has been (which is zero)...?
Well, the 1Ds is a real dog from a noise perspective, but it is really
old with its heinously outdated 0.5u CMOS fabrication. See...
http://www.pbase.com/dslr_noise/image/32014486/original
Operationally, the 1Ds is the laughing stock of DSLRs as well, you
can't even zoom in on an image without a firmware hack that needs to
be turned on every time before you shoot. And it only allows an in
sufficient 100% view. The only DSLR worse is the 1D, which doesn't
even have a hack to fix the same problem.
> I'm a Canon owner (10D) and I'll put my money on Nikon. Absolutely a
> mistake for me to have shifted camps. Hold on Nikon... I'll return!
There are much better Canon bodies than the 10D. You may have bought
a dog, but not all Canon bodies are as bad. The 1D Mk2 is a really
good Canon DSLR body, overall. It's dynamic range is still relatively
poor, though much improved over previous Canon DSLRs which all blow
highlights badly, but that is one of its few big flaws. Other than
pretty low MP count and wild overpricing.
Skip M
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>
1n. That horse was put in the barn a long time ago.
True, I was a little disappointed that the sensor in the 20D wasn't a little
larger, dimensionally, but, for some reason, the multiplicity of sensor
sizes seems to sit better with me than two different sensor sizes in one
camera. Hmmm, a $4000 camera that, in order to get the same frame rate as
the 8mp, 1.3x crop Canon 1D mkII, you have to go to 6.8mp and a 2x crop?? A
sensor with slightly more res than an Oly E-1? A 12mp, 1.5x crop, 3fps
camera as a competitor for which, the 8mp, 1.3x crop, 8fps camera, or the
11mp, 3fps, 1.0x crop camera? (Albeit a cheaper one than the latter...)
Give it up, Darrell, I'm not even sure you've convinced yourself. It's a
great camera for those with Nikon gear, it really doesn't offer enough to
entice many, if any, Canon users to switch.
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paul
Thanks for the link
Paul
Scott Coutts
> "Darrell Larose" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
>>"Howard McCollister" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>>You think the D2X is supposed to be a competitor to the full frame 1Ds?
>>>
>>
>>Canon can't figure out what format they should use, as they now have 3
>>different formats of dSLRs
>
>
> Sure.
>
> They also happen to be the only manufacturer that has managed to allow folks
> to perfectly utilize their existing wide angle professional lenses with a
> full frame sensor.
>
Except for the ye olde Contax full-frame dSLR (: (Anyone using that?
Anyone?)
Scott Coutts
> Bart van der Wolf wrote:
>
>>"Darrell Larose" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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>>SNIP
>>
>>>It seems Canon can't decide on what size CMOS they should use.
>>
>>Why must they decide on a single sensor size???
>
>
> A consistent sensor size means stablity for users that are wanting to pool
> their lenses but change bodies when the need arises. At the moment you've
> got three different sensor sizes, so each lens will work differently on the
> three Cameras. I've got a film EOS30, which I bought with the idea in mind
> that I could upgrade (or more to the point, get a digital body as well)
> while still retaining my lenses. Yes, I can retain my lenses, but depending
> on what camera I get, they will all work differently.
>
> Personally, I reckon stuff all this small sensor size shit, keep it full
> size for the Digital SLR series. Canon can do it, they just choose not to.
> If they insist on having a different size sensor for the lower end DSLRs
> then they should atleast decide on 1 size so people can have consistency.
>
I never had a problem... you pick the lens you need for the job, same as
any time you need to take a picture. The only time it would become
annoying is if you were taking the same picture, at the same focal
length, with different cameras. And I dont really know why you'd do that
unless they were both film bodies.
Otherwise... who cares about sensor size? You pick the lens that suits
the task at the time, same as always.
Scott.
AU Digital POTD
Agreed, but that asumes that the mp count will continue to increase.
I think we are nearing the point of enough is enough in a 35 mm frame, so
once we get 16-22mp with 8fps I dont think any manufacturer would bother
going any higher... I know I would not bother buying one. If I truly needed
more mp I would simply by a medium format style camera for those jobs.... a
bit like the old days really, a 35mm for some jobs & a 2 1/4 for others. :-)
Stew Hunt
than the 1.1 it has though).
"Despite the significant jump in resolution from the EOS-1Ds (11 mp) to the
EOS-1Ds Mark II (16.7 mp) the camera maintains an impressive four frames per
second shooting rate and a buffer large enough for 32 JPEG or 11 RAW images.
The EOS-1Ds Mark II's internal bus throughput of approximately 67
megapixel/sec is virtually identical to the eight megapixel EOS-1D Mark II."
Drool.
Stew.
Stew Hunt
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos1dsmkii/
http://www.steves-digicams.com/pdf/canon_1ds_markii.pdf
Stew
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Des Perado
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> There are much better Canon bodies than the 10D. You may have bought
> a dog, but not all Canon bodies are as bad. The 1D Mk2 is a really
> good Canon DSLR body, overall. It's dynamic range is still relatively
> poor, though much improved over previous Canon DSLRs which all blow
> highlights badly, but that is one of its few big flaws. Other than
> pretty low MP count and wild overpricing.
Finally given up on the Sigma shite then George? Given up trying to get it
to work properly have you? Canon man now?
Bart van der Wolf
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SNIP
> Personally, I reckon stuff all this small sensor size shit,
> keep it full size for the Digital SLR series.
Are you willing to pay the price of a 'full size' sensor?
> Canon can do it, they just choose not to.
For a few reasons, yes.
> If they insist on having a different size sensor for the lower
> end DSLRs then they should atleast decide on 1 size so
> people can have consistency.
Why make a concession on quality by settling for a small affordable
sensor? I don't see the logic in that, but I do see the logic (and
business sense) in the choices Canon makes.
Bart
John Phillips
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, at 22:59:34 [GMT GMT] (08:59:34 Tuesday, 21 September
2004 where I live) "Darrell Larose" wrote:
> Pentax will steal the show, when they re-unveil the MR-52. They have worked
> on this camera since they claimed to have shelved it in 2002. Pentax will
> rebadge it as their new flagship of the *ist D family. This trio will have
> the current *ist D with upgraded firmware, the recently announced USD $900 *
> ist DS, and the pro flagship the P *ist D
No good unless it has the Foveon chip! :-)
--
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just cleaned the whole house.
Cameron
He is back on aus.photo now....
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Annika1980
>Nikon has a great idea.
>
>Canon has offered the same for some time now, but we've had to use a
>different body for each. I hope Canon will move in that direction, but with
>the full-frame remaining as the larger file, and a 1.3x sensor crop as the
>high-speed.
>
>This would be like owning both the 1Ds and the 1D Mark II within a single
>body.
Maybe Canon likes the idea of selling two cameras to pros instead of one?
I think 5-10 years now we'll be laughing if we re-read these posts. Right now,
8 MP is big and 16MP seems like the holy grail.
As technology advances and memory capacities increase, we'll see cameras with
specs like 32MP and 10 fps, all in glorious 64-bit color.
ISO? What's that? It'll just be called "Sensitivity" and you'll be able to
crank it up for sports or way down for long exposures like waterfalls and
astro-photography.
Yes, folks, thanks to leaders like Canon, the future is bright.
S.
> "[BnH]" <b18[at]ii[dot]net> wrote in message
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>> Yep .. the party is over for Nikon camp.
>> Canon will release a 16mpx system very soon =)
>>
>> http://www.eos-d-slr.net/1ds_mark2.html
>>
>
> post the same thing to aus.photo and rec.photo.digital seperately???
>
Actually it's separately not seperately.
S.
BD
>
> "BD" <B...@BD.BD> wrote in message
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>>
> > http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Sep04/digiphoto.tml
>> "We know that Canon plans to unveil the next version of the 1Ds at
>> Photokina, but at the time of this writing we were not privy to any
> details
>> on its specs. But, unless another manufacturer pulls a surprise, the new
>> version of the 1Ds will probably be the star of the show."
> Pentax will steal the show, when they re-unveil the MR-52. They have
> worked
> on this camera since they claimed to have shelved it in 2002.
Was originally going to be the MR-1 but 51 prototypes later since 2002 when
it should have been shelved, they have produced something that buffooned the
board of directors to cough up some marketing $$$.
They'd have to gate crash the entry, as somebody forgot to invite Pentax
>Pentax will
> rebadge it as their new flagship of the *ist D family.
after 52 attempts you'd want to rename it. Also had complaints from Equal
opportunity office as they also wanted a Ms-52 and an older cranky MRS-52,
that locks up everytime you press her buttons.
>This trio will have
> the current *ist D with upgraded firmware, the recently announced USD $900
> *
> ist DS, and the pro flagship the P *ist D
Pistd was a double misspelling and poor translation.
Originally badged as TRIAL, the dislexic admin typed it as TRAIL on the R&D
memorandum, then the French lab translated it as PISTE, but with fat thumbs
typed in PISTD, and from there it stuck
> ;)
Mark M
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PLONK to you, and all other mindless nit-pickers.
Annika1980
>good Canon DSLR body, overall.
Look everybody, Preddy's drooling!
Darrell Larose
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> > The 1D Mk2 is a really
> >good Canon DSLR body, overall.
>
> Look everybody, Preddy's drooling!
>
;)