ASMP and ACLU gathering data on police harassment of photographers
C J Campbell
Concerns over security can sometimes make law enforcement officers,
security guards, and even private citizens get carried away. A number
of government agencies have been encouraging citizens to report
“suspicious behaviors,” and one of the specific activities often listed
as suspicious is photography. By way of specific example, the LAPD has
issued an Order listing 65 suspicious behaviors that LAPD officers are
required to report, and one of them is taking pictures or video footage
“with no apparent esthetic value.”
ASMP is working with the ACLU to try to combine security with some
basic common sense and fairness. To do that, we need to provide as many
concrete examples as possible of photographers being stopped,
questioned, harrassed or even detained for just taking photographs. If
this has happened to you some time over the past three years or so,
please send an email to me at per...@asmp.org or just reply to this
message. Please put “SAR” in the subject line (the police acronym for
“Suspicious Activity Reporting”) and let me have a description of what
you were doing, what happened, where it took place, the approximate
date of the incident, and its outcome. I will then pass the information
along to the ACLU. If you wish to have your anecdote remain anonymous,
please let me know that in the email.
Many thanks for your assistance, and thank you all for your being
members of ASMP,
Vic
Victor S. Perlman General Counsel & Managing Director
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LOL!
<christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>issued an Order listing 65 suspicious behaviors that LAPD officers are
>required to report, and one of them is taking pictures or video footage
>****�with no apparent esthetic value.�***
LOL! Well, there's 99.999% of all people toting any kind of camera no
matter where they are, right there! Just look at all their crapshots as
proof!
Might as well make all camera's illegal then. Then only the true pros will
be outlaws. Hell, I wouldn't even bother walking in to sign for a permit to
carry one either. I don't do that with my gun, why my camera?
LOL!
[Criminals who carry a gun without a permit are more Constitutionally
correct and are more truthfully supporting the meaning of freedom than
"law-abiding" citizens who are manipulated through threats and fear to get
a concealed-weapon's permit. Believe it, or not.]
tony cooper
<christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>email I got from ASMP today:
Why do you assume that we know who/what "ASMP" is? OK, I looked it
up: American Society of Media Photographers.
>Concerns over security can sometimes make law enforcement officers,
>security guards, and even private citizens get carried away. A number
>of government agencies have been encouraging citizens to report
>�ｿｽsuspicious behaviors,�ｿｽ and one of the specific activities often listed
>as suspicious is photography. By way of specific example, the LAPD has
>issued an Order listing 65 suspicious behaviors that LAPD officers are
>required to report, and one of them is taking pictures or video footage
>�ｿｽwith no apparent esthetic value.�ｿｽ
>ASMP is working with the ACLU to try to combine security with some
>basic common sense and fairness. To do that, we need to provide as many
>concrete examples as possible of photographers being stopped,
>questioned, harrassed or even detained for just taking photographs. If
>this has happened to you some time over the past three years or so,
>please send an email to me at per...@asmp.org or just reply to this
>message. Please put �ｿｽSAR�ｿｽ in the subject line (the police acronym for
>�ｿｽSuspicious Activity Reporting�ｿｽ) and let me have a description of what
>you were doing, what happened, where it took place, the approximate
>date of the incident, and its outcome. I will then pass the information
>along to the ACLU. If you wish to have your anecdote remain anonymous,
>please let me know that in the email.
>Many thanks for your assistance, and thank you all for your being
>members of ASMP,
>Vic
>Victor S. Perlman General Counsel & Managing Director
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Paul Heslop
>
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:35:18 -0800, C J Campbell
> <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >email I got from ASMP today:
>
> Why do you assume that we know who/what "ASMP" is? OK, I looked it
> up: American Society of Media Photographers.
>
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John A.
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:35:18 -0800, C J Campbell
><christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>email I got from ASMP today:
>
>Why do you assume that we know who/what "ASMP" is? OK, I looked it
>up: American Society of Media Photographers.
Yes. We must take into consideration that some countries block access
to Google.
Bristolian
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:35:18 -0800, C J Campbell
> <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> email I got from ASMP today:
>
> Why do you assume that we know who/what "ASMP" is? OK, I looked it
> up: American Society of Media Photographers.
>
>
Did you look up ACLU as well, or just assume we'd all know what that is?
Sorry Tony, couldn't resist it. No harm intended, mate :-)
--
Regards
Bristolian
tony cooper
wrote:
Good point, but I did assume that "ACLU" has more global recognition
than "ASMP". The American Civil Liberties Union often takes on
unpopular cases that become high-profile because the general public,
in these cases, doesn't want the ACLU's client to win.
For example, they might represent a convicted child molester who has
been denied rights not taken away by his/her conviction on that
charge. The ACLU take on cases that other attorneys shun because they
don't want to be associated with the plaintiff. The ACLU also takes
on cases where the public would be in support of the plaintiff, but
these don't tend to make the news.
I'm not sure, but I think the Liberty group, or the National Council
for Civil Liberties, in the UK is a similar organization.
That's kind of strange to this American because the word "Liberty" in
association with a group of attorneys in the US means the "Liberty
Counsel": a group that represents the religious right and the
self-apppointed guardians of our morals and behavior. They are the
arch-enemies of the ACLU because the two groups are constantly
battling over prayers in school and religious groups sponsored somehow
by schools.
RichA
<christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> email I got from ASMP today:
>
> Concerns over security can sometimes make law enforcement officers,
> security guards, and even private citizens get carried away. A number
> of government agencies have been encouraging citizens to report
> “suspicious behaviors,” and one of the specific activities often listed
> as suspicious is photography. By way of specific example, the LAPD has
> issued an Order listing 65 suspicious behaviors that LAPD officers are
> required to report, and one of them is taking pictures or video footage
> “with no apparent esthetic value.”
Oh my God! Think of the poor P&S and cellphone shooters!! I suppose
this means DSLR users are off the hook? Naw, didn't think so. Cops
as art critics.
whisky-dave
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It can get confusing I've an american friend that thinks a SLR is Self
Loading Rifle
In my world TTL has always been Transistor-Transistor Logic, when I brought
my
2nd SLR it had TTL metering (Praktica VLC2)
Peter
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>
> Good point, but I did assume that "ACLU" has more global recognition
> than "ASMP". The American Civil Liberties Union often takes on
> unpopular cases that become high-profile because the general public,
> in these cases, doesn't want the ACLU's client to win.
>
> For example, they might represent a convicted child molester who has
> been denied rights not taken away by his/her conviction on that
> charge. The ACLU take on cases that other attorneys shun because they
> don't want to be associated with the plaintiff. The ACLU also takes
> on cases where the public would be in support of the plaintiff, but
> these don't tend to make the news.
>
> I'm not sure, but I think the Liberty group, or the National Council
> for Civil Liberties, in the UK is a similar organization.
>
> That's kind of strange to this American because the word "Liberty" in
> association with a group of attorneys in the US means the "Liberty
> Counsel": a group that represents the religious right and the
> self-apppointed guardians of our morals and behavior. They are the
> arch-enemies of the ACLU because the two groups are constantly
> battling over prayers in school and religious groups sponsored somehow
> by schools.
Usually when the ACLU takes such a case it is not really defending the
accused. It is defending the people against the potential tyranny of the
state.
--
Peter
tony cooper
I understand that. In the child molester example, the child molester
is the plaintiff, not the defendant. He was the defendant in the
child molestation case, but the plaintiff in the current case. He may
be, for example, fighting some local law about where he can reside.
A city may have a law that a convicted child molester cannot live
within X distance of a school. If X is prohibitively large, that may
prevent the person from living anywhere in the city. The ACLU may
represent the person to apply for a variance that allows the person to
find accommodation.
No one wants to see a child molester benefit from a lawsuit, so the
ACLU is viewed as doing something detrimental to society. In fact,
the ACLU is providing the basic right of legal representation to all.
J. Clarke
Which particular ACLU action do you have in mind?
Savageduck
That is the situation in California, it is not just the "child
molester" per se. Conditions of parole for those having to register for
PC290 offenses, will have residential restrictions on proximity to
schools, regardless of the age of the victim.
California requires the offender to be paroled to the County he/she was
convicted in. On parole the parole agent and region HQ can approve
reassigning the parolee to a town in another region where he would find
it easier to comply with the residential restrictions.
This results in some rural towns and others with poor services and work
prospects ending up with clusters of registered sex offender parolees.
This was the issue with Phillip Garrido, who was able to hide in plain
sight with his victim Jaycee Dugard for 18 years. His El Dorado County
home near Antioch was in an area with a high density of parolees
compelled to live in an area where monitoring was low. All to keep them
1000 ft from a school, and the usual, and understandable NIMBY attitude.
Now we have the ACLU case fighting arguing against those residential
restrictions.
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Regards,
Savageduck
tony cooper
I have no idea what you are questioning.
Do you not ken what an "example" is?
Wolfgang Weisselberg
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