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Troy Piggins

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Oct 28, 2010, 11:40:30 PM10/28/10
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Glasshouse Mountains in the background there are remnants of a
volcano, with the volcanic plug in the middle. Shame the scene
was a little spoiled by the smoke from a burnoff there.

Any constructive critique appreciated.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5125148504_d8101b2170_o.jpg

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Paul Furman

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Oct 29, 2010, 1:09:33 AM10/29/10
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I like it!

Owen

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Oct 29, 2010, 1:20:28 AM10/29/10
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Love it, especially the foreground tree.

Something not quiet right, the clouds, I think, don't compose well

I placed in my editor, it was 1024x683

Cut the top 245 pixels from the height so it was 1024x438. Kinda wide
screen effect, looked better to me, though I agree beauty lies in the
eye of the beholder

Owen

Troy Piggins

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Oct 29, 2010, 3:34:59 AM10/29/10
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* Paul Furman wrote :

:) Thanks mate.

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Troy Piggins

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Oct 29, 2010, 3:36:43 AM10/29/10
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* Owen wrote :

> On Oct 29, 2:40 pm, Troy Piggins <usenet-1...@piggo.com> wrote:
>> Glasshouse Mountains in the background there are remnants of a
>> volcano, with the volcanic plug in the middle.  Shame the scene
>> was a little spoiled by the smoke from a burnoff there.
>>
>> Any constructive critique appreciated.
>>
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5125148504_d8101b2170_o.jpg
>
> Love it, especially the foreground tree.
>
> Something not quiet right, the clouds, I think, don't compose well
>
> I placed in my editor, it was 1024x683
>
> Cut the top 245 pixels from the height so it was 1024x438. Kinda wide
> screen effect, looked better to me, though I agree beauty lies in the
> eye of the beholder

Thanks mate. I'll have a look at that crop you mentioned. I've
had comments that the top left sky needs more cloud. That's
possibly true, but not a lot I can do about it. I'm not cloning
one in there. :)

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Elliott Roper

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Oct 29, 2010, 6:37:47 AM10/29/10
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In article <2010102...@usenet.piggo.com>, Troy Piggins
<usene...@piggo.com> wrote:

> Glasshouse Mountains in the background there are remnants of a
> volcano, with the volcanic plug in the middle. Shame the scene
> was a little spoiled by the smoke from a burnoff there.
>
> Any constructive critique appreciated.

I think the burnoff adds a bit of post apocalypse mystery. I agree that
losing the top few pixels makes it look more cinematic, but really the
only thing I didn't like about that picture is that you are making me
homesick.

I'm a few km outside Manchester. It is a miserable drizzly day and you
are no help at all!

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John McWilliams

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Oct 29, 2010, 12:04:24 PM10/29/10
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Nice shot as is! You could also try loping a tad off the foreground,
de-centering the horizon a bit more. And I bet it looks fine in color-
colour, too!- does it?

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Troy Piggins

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Oct 29, 2010, 8:13:42 PM10/29/10
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* John McWilliams wrote :

> On 10/29/10 PDT 12:36 AM, Troy Piggins wrote:
> [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 19 lines snipped |=---]

>>
>> Thanks mate. I'll have a look at that crop you mentioned. I've
>> had comments that the top left sky needs more cloud. That's
>> possibly true, but not a lot I can do about it. I'm not cloning
>> one in there. :)
>
> Nice shot as is! You could also try loping a tad off the foreground,
> de-centering the horizon a bit more. And I bet it looks fine in color-
> colour, too!- does it?

I didn't like the colour version, else I would've posted it. :)

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Noons

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Oct 29, 2010, 9:14:23 PM10/29/10
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Owen wrote,on my timestamp of 29/10/2010 4:20 PM:

> Something not quiet right, the clouds, I think, don't compose well
>
> I placed in my editor, it was 1024x683
>
> Cut the top 245 pixels from the height so it was 1024x438. Kinda wide
> screen effect, looked better to me, though I agree beauty lies in the
> eye of the beholder
>

Yeah, agreed: that definitely does it.

Noons

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Oct 29, 2010, 9:15:49 PM10/29/10
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That's North of Brissie, isn't it?
Dang, I'm gonna be up thee next month for a few days but no time to go imaging...
Nice shot, BTW. Clouds really work well in that sort of scenery.

Troy Piggins

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Oct 30, 2010, 6:27:11 PM10/30/10
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* Noons wrote :

> Troy Piggins wrote,on my timestamp of 29/10/2010 2:40 PM:
>> Glasshouse Mountains in the background there are remnants of a
>> volcano, with the volcanic plug in the middle. Shame the scene
>> was a little spoiled by the smoke from a burnoff there.
>>
>> Any constructive critique appreciated.
>>
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5125148504_d8101b2170_o.jpg
>
> That's North of Brissie, isn't it?
> Dang, I'm gonna be up thee next month for a few days but no
> time to go imaging...

Yes, Maleny is probably the closest town. In the hinterland of
the Sunshine Coast north of Brisbane.

> Nice shot, BTW. Clouds really work well in that sort of scenery.

Thanks mate. I was actually quite surprised how well the 5DII
handled the dynamic range of the shot. The clouds aren't blown,
no filters were used, it's a single hand-held shot. I was sure
the darks would be more of a problem.

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Noons

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Oct 30, 2010, 8:52:29 PM10/30/10
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Troy Piggins wrote,on my timestamp of 31/10/2010 9:27 AM:

> Thanks mate. I was actually quite surprised how well the 5DII
> handled the dynamic range of the shot. The clouds aren't blown,
> no filters were used, it's a single hand-held shot. I was sure
> the darks would be more of a problem.

Very cool! Did you meter on matrix (or whatever Canon calls it) or CW/spot?

Troy Piggins

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Oct 31, 2010, 5:26:21 AM10/31/10
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* Noons wrote :

Partial metering, but I metered pointing the to sky to make sure
that was less than 2 stops over, and foreground to make sure that
was less than 2 stops under.

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Rob

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Oct 31, 2010, 7:51:44 AM10/31/10
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you could still get more kick out of it using HDR in PS5

Rob

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Oct 31, 2010, 7:54:03 AM10/31/10
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and clean the sensor.

Troy Piggins

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Oct 31, 2010, 3:20:22 PM10/31/10
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* Rob wrote :

> On 31/10/2010 8:26 PM, Troy Piggins wrote:
> [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 9 lines snipped |=---]

>>
>> Partial metering, but I metered pointing the to sky to make sure
>> that was less than 2 stops over, and foreground to make sure that
>> was less than 2 stops under.
>
> you could still get more kick out of it using HDR in PS5

For fun, note the green line:
http://miguel.martinsalmeida.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/b2fef.png

Seriously, it's not a high dynamic range shot, so I'm not even
going to entertain the thought of using HDR. HDR gets
overused/misused/abused enough, I'm not going to add to that
steaming pile.

If I want to shoot a scene that has more dynamic range than my
sensor can handle, and it can't be solved with flash, I might
consider it then if I have a tripod etc with me. ;)

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Rob

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Oct 31, 2010, 10:34:17 PM10/31/10
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No not that way it was with a single image shot. To me heaps of B&W lack
contrast and are just grey. We used to use either a red or yellow filter
with B&W to increase the contract so there was a full black to white
image. I through the clouds could do with more punch and better
resolution through out the scene.

Did you get the message to clean the spots off the sensor?

Noons

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Oct 31, 2010, 11:21:41 PM10/31/10
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Troy Piggins wrote,on my timestamp of 1/11/2010 6:20 AM:

>> you could still get more kick out of it using HDR in PS5
>
> For fun, note the green line:
> http://miguel.martinsalmeida.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/b2fef.png

LOL! So true!

> Seriously, it's not a high dynamic range shot, so I'm not even
> going to entertain the thought of using HDR. HDR gets
> overused/misused/abused enough, I'm not going to add to that
> steaming pile.

Yay! Piggo for prezz!
:)

Savageduck

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Oct 31, 2010, 11:27:51 PM10/31/10
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For the Hell of it, I downloaded the 15 day trial of NIK Silver Efex
Pro plugin, and I have been pleasantly surprised at the degree of
control you have over the entire image by using the control points you
can apply for adjustment to the smallest area of the image. I think it
is a tool Adams would have used if he processed digital B&W. Try it
out, you might be surprised.
< http://www.niksoftware.com/silverefexpro/usa/entry.php >

I have been playing with it with some of my images to get something
different to the results I got from using the various CS5 B&W
conversion methods.
Here are two I converted using Silver Efex;
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Barn-6112BWw.jpg >
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Carrizo-1005tmBWw.jpg >


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Troy Piggins

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Oct 31, 2010, 11:47:23 PM10/31/10
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* Rob wrote :

> On 1/11/2010 6:20 AM, Troy Piggins wrote:
> [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 17 lines snipped |=---]

>>
>> If I want to shoot a scene that has more dynamic range than my
>> sensor can handle, and it can't be solved with flash, I might
>> consider it then if I have a tripod etc with me. ;)
>
> No not that way it was with a single image shot. To me heaps of B&W lack
> contrast and are just grey. We used to use either a red or yellow filter
> with B&W to increase the contract so there was a full black to white
> image. I through the clouds could do with more punch and better
> resolution through out the scene.

I see what you're saying, although don't see the link with HDR.
I'll have a bit more of a play with it to see if I can achieve
what you're describing.

> Did you get the message to clean the spots off the sensor?

Yes. Thanks.

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Troy Piggins

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Oct 31, 2010, 11:51:49 PM10/31/10
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* Savageduck wrote :

> On 2010-10-31 19:34:17 -0700, Rob <mesa...@gmail.com> said:
>
> [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 26 lines snipped |=---]

>> filter with B&W to increase the contract so there was a full black to
>> white image. I through the clouds could do with more punch and better
>> resolution through out the scene.
>>
>> Did you get the message to clean the spots off the sensor?
>
> For the Hell of it, I downloaded the 15 day trial of NIK Silver Efex
> Pro plugin, and I have been pleasantly surprised at the degree of
> control you have over the entire image by using the control points you
> can apply for adjustment to the smallest area of the image. I think it
> is a tool Adams would have used if he processed digital B&W. Try it
> out, you might be surprised.
> < http://www.niksoftware.com/silverefexpro/usa/entry.php >
>
> I have been playing with it with some of my images to get something
> different to the results I got from using the various CS5 B&W
> conversion methods.
> Here are two I converted using Silver Efex;
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Barn-6112BWw.jpg >

That looks effective. Shame about the clouds, but the textures
on the shed look great.

> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Carrizo-1005tmBWw.jpg >

Not so much of a fan of this one. The sky looks like armageddon
has arrived.

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Savageduck

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Nov 1, 2010, 12:30:55 AM11/1/10
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On 2010-10-31 20:51:49 -0700, Troy Piggins <usene...@piggo.com> said:

> * Savageduck wrote :
>> On 2010-10-31 19:34:17 -0700, Rob <mesa...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>> [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 26 lines snipped |=---]
>>> filter with B&W to increase the contract so there was a full black to
>>> white image. I through the clouds could do with more punch and better
>>> resolution through out the scene.
>>>
>>> Did you get the message to clean the spots off the sensor?
>>
>> For the Hell of it, I downloaded the 15 day trial of NIK Silver Efex
>> Pro plugin, and I have been pleasantly surprised at the degree of
>> control you have over the entire image by using the control points you
>> can apply for adjustment to the smallest area of the image. I think it
>> is a tool Adams would have used if he processed digital B&W. Try it
>> out, you might be surprised.
>> < http://www.niksoftware.com/silverefexpro/usa/entry.php >
>>
>> I have been playing with it with some of my images to get something
>> different to the results I got from using the various CS5 B&W
>> conversion methods.
>> Here are two I converted using Silver Efex;
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Barn-6112BWw.jpg >
>
> That looks effective. Shame about the clouds, but the textures
> on the shed look great.

Yup! Those clouds were tough. Also finding a level was tough. I did a
second version, leveling on the barn door.


>
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Carrizo-1005tmBWw.jpg >
>
> Not so much of a fan of this one. The sky looks like armageddon
> has arrived.

A few minutes later it felt like armageddon had arrived. That was the
proverbial "threatening" sky, and the place is just as desolate. That
is the Carrizo Plain which is bisected by the San Andreas Fault, with
the Temblor Range in the background. They are waiting for the "Big One"
there.

BTW: here is a screen shot of Silver Efex in action on the leveled
version of the barn.
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Silver-Efex-02w.jpg >

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Troy Piggins

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Nov 1, 2010, 12:29:29 AM11/1/10
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* Rob wrote :

> On 1/11/2010 6:20 AM, Troy Piggins wrote:
> [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 17 lines snipped |=---]

>>
>> If I want to shoot a scene that has more dynamic range than my
>> sensor can handle, and it can't be solved with flash, I might
>> consider it then if I have a tripod etc with me. ;)
>
> No not that way it was with a single image shot. To me heaps of B&W lack
> contrast and are just grey. We used to use either a red or yellow filter
> with B&W to increase the contract so there was a full black to white
> image. I through the clouds could do with more punch and better
> resolution through out the scene.

Just emulated a yellow filter, then had a little tweak. Think
this is more contrasty like you suggested? What do you think of
this edit? It did cause some funkiness on the branches of that
tree, but not that noticable at this scale unless you're really
looking for it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/5134275321_8c153020b9_o.jpg

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Rob

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Nov 1, 2010, 4:10:20 AM11/1/10
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That's looking better. Your email good?

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Alan Browne

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Nov 1, 2010, 5:18:08 PM11/1/10
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I would have cropped off the upper 20% or so of the sky
(dead/uninteresting).

Nice, otherwise.

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Troy Piggins

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Nov 1, 2010, 6:02:48 PM11/1/10
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* Alan Browne wrote :

> On 10-10-28 23:40 , Troy Piggins wrote:
>> Glasshouse Mountains in the background there are remnants of a
>> volcano, with the volcanic plug in the middle. Shame the scene
>> was a little spoiled by the smoke from a burnoff there.
>>
>> Any constructive critique appreciated.
>>
>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5125148504_d8101b2170_o.jpg
>
> I would have cropped off the upper 20% or so of the sky
> (dead/uninteresting).
>
> Nice, otherwise.

Thanks mate. I've been playing with it since, based on some
feedback I've had, and have come up with this as my pick of the
edits. Puts more focus on the subject matter IMO.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/5134964065_011536d489_o.jpg

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Alan Browne

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Nov 1, 2010, 6:14:45 PM11/1/10
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Much nicer, but I would have left more of the original FG ...

Paul Furman

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Troy Piggins wrote:
>
> For fun, note the green line:
> http://miguel.martinsalmeida.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/b2fef.png

LOL!
Thanks.

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