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RichA

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Dec 8, 2009, 11:08:17 PM12/8/09
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I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
image, particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang
it on a wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"

http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg

Dave's Not Here

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Dec 8, 2009, 11:11:17 PM12/8/09
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"RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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At least that photographer actually used his equipment, rather than bitch on
usenet about what it was made from...

Paul Heslop

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Dec 9, 2009, 1:26:01 AM12/9/09
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it has a strange, slightly surreal look about it that I find charming.

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Bob Williams

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Dec 9, 2009, 3:15:20 AM12/9/09
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Not my taste, but I can appreciate the difficulty of producing that
image. It is certainly not boring like so many pics I see in this NG.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I, personally, would not hang a Picasso Print in my home.
But I know lots of people who would love to do so.
Bob Williams

Bruce

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Dec 9, 2009, 4:15:00 AM12/9/09
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:08:17 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
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For me , the most distracting thing about it is the uncorrected
diverging verticals. Some correction of that (perhaps not total)
would have been welcome.

But overall, I agree. Too much effort has gone into manipulation of
an image that was perhaps not such a good choice of starting point.

But who do we blame for that? Those who develop image editing
software who sell it on the basis that it can turn mediocre images
into masterpieces?

bugbear

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Dec 9, 2009, 4:36:51 AM12/9/09
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RichA wrote:
> I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
> image, particularly a manipulated one

You must hate paintings and drawings, which are
completely manipulated, with no "original"
data at all.

BugBear

G Paleologopoulos

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Dec 9, 2009, 6:46:26 AM12/9/09
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"RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote
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Love it.
Would look great at some kind of bar, club, etc.

tcroyer

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:15:40 AM12/9/09
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"Bruce" <docne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:08:17 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
>>image, particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang
>>it on a wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"
>>
>>http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
>
>
> For me , the most distracting thing about it is the uncorrected
> diverging verticals. Some correction of that (perhaps not total)
> would have been welcome.

And that's where we disagree. I find the diverging verticals contribute a
lot to the general surreal feeling of the photo. The more I look at it, the
more I like it.


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MC

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:28:51 AM12/9/09
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RichA wrote:

Show it to someone who did not know any better and they would say it
was not a photograph but an image pulled straight from a computer game.

Well over-processed but mysteriously engaging.

On the fence.

MC

Allen

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Dec 9, 2009, 10:58:36 AM12/9/09
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I love it. If it were mine, it would be framed and hanging on the wall.
It would fit in very well as an illustration for any of the 19th Century
UK stories, e. g. Jack the Ripper, Jekyll/Hyde, even some of the Dickens
stories. May I ask where it was taken?
Allen

Robert Spanjaard

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Dec 9, 2009, 12:16:23 PM12/9/09
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I love the light and processing, and technically it's very well done.
But in the end it's just an empty staircase. There's no real subject.
It's like a movieset without the actors.

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Robert Coe

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Dec 9, 2009, 2:29:16 PM12/9/09
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:15:40 -0500, "tcroyer" <t...@solidus-ts.com> wrote:
: "Bruce" <docne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:6dquh5t3oa8dg2cgc...@4ax.com...
: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:08:17 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
: > wrote:
: >>I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
: >>image, particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang
: >>it on a wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"
: >>
: >>http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
: >
: >
: > For me , the most distracting thing about it is the uncorrected
: > diverging verticals. Some correction of that (perhaps not total)
: > would have been welcome.
:
: And that's where we disagree. I find the diverging verticals contribute a
: lot to the general surreal feeling of the photo. The more I look at it, the
: more I like it.

In a wide-angle shot like that, the verticals are going to diverge. If you
"correct" them, something else has to give. (For example, the upper stairway
might start to curve.) I might quibble over which line was positioned as the
true vertical. (Usually you want it to be the one to which your eve is most
immediately drawn.) But I think it would be a mistake to attempt any
perspective correction of this image.

Bob

RichA

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:19:58 PM12/9/09
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I tend to agree. Though at first I thought it was another HDR
monstrosity, it isn't, just an interesting interpretation of the
subject.

> Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com

Charles

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Dec 9, 2009, 7:48:46 PM12/9/09
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Steven King's next book could use this as a cover shot.

Spooky!


Paul Furman

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:15:40 PM12/9/09
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Very Blade-Runner-eque, I like it too.

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Paul Furman

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:19:05 PM12/9/09
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It could be corrected but the perspective adds to the feeling in a
powerful way. We are used to looking up in photos & seeing it taper
toward the top, this angle is very disturbing.

Matt Clara

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Dec 10, 2009, 4:31:53 PM12/10/09
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"RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Robert Spanjaard wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:08:17 -0800, RichA wrote:
>>
>> > I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
>> > image,
>> > particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang it on a
>> > wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"
>> >
>> > http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
>>
>> I love the light and processing, and technically it's very well done.
>> But in the end it's just an empty staircase. There's no real subject.
>> It's like a movieset without the actors.

That's like saying no message can be imparted, no story told, no symbollism
posited, without a human in an image. That's just silly.

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Matt Clara

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Dec 10, 2009, 4:32:09 PM12/10/09
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"RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It kicks ass.

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Robert Spanjaard

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Dec 10, 2009, 4:38:46 PM12/10/09
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:31:53 -0500, Matt Clara wrote:

>>> > I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
>>> > image,
>>> > particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang it on
>>> > a wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"
>>> >
>>> > http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
>>>
>>> I love the light and processing, and technically it's very well done.
>>> But in the end it's just an empty staircase. There's no real subject.
>>> It's like a movieset without the actors.
>
> That's like saying no message can be imparted, no story told, no
> symbollism posited, without a human in an image. That's just silly.

It would be if that was what I said. But I didn't.

Alan Browne

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Dec 10, 2009, 5:14:39 PM12/10/09
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On 09-12-09 12:16 , Robert Spanjaard wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:08:17 -0800, RichA wrote:
>
>> I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an image,
>> particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang it on a
>> wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"
>>
>> http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg

It's beyond photography even if (a) photo(s) was(were) used as a
baseline for the image. It would be interesting to see the original
photos used.

In terms of colour and tone it's more like an oil painting.

Nothing I'd hang on my wall however.

Alan Browne

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Dec 10, 2009, 5:18:28 PM12/10/09
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On 09-12-09 12:16 , Robert Spanjaard wrote:

What Matt said. And more.

tcroyer

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Dec 10, 2009, 5:54:48 PM12/10/09
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"Robert Spanjaard" <spam...@arumes.com> wrote in message
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This reminds me of the movie critic who panned a film because "...they go
on a journey, things happen, and it ends." Depending upon your definition
of journey, doesn't that describe just about every film ever made.

In a similar way, your criticism of this photo boils down to "there are no
people."
That pretty much describes Ansel Adams' landscapes and a lot of landscape
paintings.

It may not be to your taste, but there a lot of plusses to this image and
I, for one, like it a lot

Robert Spanjaard

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Dec 10, 2009, 6:34:36 PM12/10/09
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:54:48 -0500, tcroyer wrote:

>>> http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
>>
>> I love the light and processing, and technically it's very well done.
>> But in the end it's just an empty staircase. There's no real subject.
>> It's like a movieset without the actors.
>
> This reminds me of the movie critic who panned a film because "...they
> go on a journey, things happen, and it ends." Depending upon your
> definition of journey, doesn't that describe just about every film ever
> made.
>
> In a similar way, your criticism of this photo boils down to "there are
> no people."

No it doesn't.

> That pretty much describes Ansel Adams' landscapes and a lot of
> landscape paintings.

Matt, Alan and you are the ones generalizing my comment.
I didn't do that myself.

> It may not be to your taste, but there a lot of plusses to this image

I didn't say there are no plusses to this image. I even complimented on a
couple of them myself.


If anyone else cares to reply to my comment, I'd suggest you READ my
comment first.

Allen

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Dec 10, 2009, 8:56:19 PM12/10/09
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I suggest that _you_ should re-read your comment.
Allen

John A.

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:54:28 AM12/11/09
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:56:19 -0600, Allen <all...@austin.rr.com>
wrote:

And maybe rewrite it. When I read it I get the impression he would
hate the work (or subject matter, at least) of decay photographers
like Rob Dobi. (I mention him in particular because he's been a bit of
an inspiration to me in my photography, showing how much you can find
beauty and interest in things that would ordinarily fall beneath
notice. He's not the only one, but I like him.)

Robert Spanjaard

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Dec 11, 2009, 10:30:55 AM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:54:28 -0500, John A. wrote:

>>> If anyone else cares to reply to my comment, I'd suggest you READ my
>>> comment first.
>>>
>>I suggest that _you_ should re-read your comment.
>
> And maybe rewrite it. When I read it I get the impression he would hate
> the work (or subject matter, at least) of decay photographers like Rob
> Dobi.

That's because when YOU read it, somehow your twisted mind extends my
comment - which was aimed at a SINGLE image - to ALL decay photography.

I'm not going to rewrite my comments to be idiot proof.

MikeWhy

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:33:40 AM12/16/09
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"RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I saw it on Dpreview, one of their challenges. Whenever I see an
> image, particularly a manipulated one, I asked myself, "Would I hang
> it on a wall where I'd be looking at it every day?"
>
> http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg

The uniformly sharp depth of field and lack of random dust and dirt makes it
difficult to dispell the initial impression that the image is entirely CGI.
If you're into digital texturing and mood lighting, this might be a picture
for your wall. I much prefer the endless irregularities and nonlinearities
that together make up real life. The composition and viewpoint sends a
powerful message, but overall I see very little else that sparks of creative
originality or technical brilliance.


berk

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Dec 16, 2009, 4:46:30 AM12/16/09
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On Dec 9, 9:16 am, Robert Spanjaard <spamt...@arumes.com> wrote:

> >http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
>
> I love the light and processing, and technically it's very well done.
> But in the end it's just an empty staircase. There's no real subject.
> It's like a movieset without the actors.
>
> --
> Regards, Robert                                      http://www.arumes.com

I think differently; more than anything else there is a lot of Human
in the picture, from the wear of the stair and the banister to the
graffiti and the bike parked on the upper level.

My describing it brings to mind the phrase "if these walls could
talk..." we've all heard of.


berk

Peter Chant

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Dec 16, 2009, 8:03:38 AM12/16/09
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MikeWhy wrote:


>> http://c.img-dpreview.com/0152635-01.jpg
>
> The uniformly sharp depth of field and lack of random dust and dirt makes
> it difficult to dispell the initial impression that the image is entirely
> CGI. If you're into digital texturing and mood lighting, this might be a
> picture for your wall. I much prefer the endless irregularities and
> nonlinearities that together make up real life. The composition and
> viewpoint sends a powerful message, but overall I see very little else
> that sparks of creative originality or technical brilliance.

I quite like it. However, to my tastes the HDR needs toning down a lot.

The great shame is that no-one is looking after the building, a lick of
fresh paint would work wonders.

Pete

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tony cooper

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:24:33 AM12/16/09
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I'm a foe of fresh paint on old buildings. I like the old, the rusty,
the shopworn, and the derelict look. They make good photographic
subjects.


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Allen

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:14:17 PM12/16/09
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But IMO would destroy the mood.
Allen

Peter Chant

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:46:50 PM12/16/09
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tony cooper wrote:

> I'm a foe of fresh paint on old buildings. I like the old, the rusty,
> the shopworn, and the derelict look. They make good photographic
> subjects.
>
>

When did you last paint your house...

It looks like a waste of a good building.

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Bob Larter

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:53:49 AM12/17/09
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But would make for a boring photo.

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