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Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:18:01 AM12/11/09
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Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
being stolen.

I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
fall back on.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

George Kerby

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:26:07 AM12/11/09
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On 12/11/09 10:18 AM, in article
2009121108180164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

Sorry for your loss.

David J Taylor

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:29:13 AM12/11/09
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I'm really sorry to hear that - but perhaps it will be an excuse to return
another time? Hope you had insurance and that you reported it to the
police.

Chin up!

David

me

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:29:38 AM12/11/09
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A real downer. Try to enjoy the rest of the trip.

Alan Browne

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:43:40 AM12/11/09
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Crap! Sorry to hear that. Real bummer.

Will insurance cover any of that? Mine will cover most, not all.

J. Clarke

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:34:15 AM12/11/09
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Hope it was all insured and that you had backups of the CF.

John McWilliams

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Dec 11, 2009, 12:24:07 PM12/11/09
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Damn!

Sorry to hear of this. Hope the rest goes well.

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Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:07:10 PM12/11/09
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Fortunately I have compete backups, minus the 8 or so shots taken today.


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Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:09:07 PM12/11/09
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Thanks, it is just that it is tough to be philosphical about this sort
of thing. Now I feel like being violent.


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Regards,

Savageduck

celcius

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:29:18 PM12/11/09
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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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I feel bad for you. I hope the rest of the trip goes MUCH better.
By the way, did you see the police about it and did they give you some sort
of document attestting that these aricles were stolen?
Something like that happened to me in Spain. The police document helped
considerably with the insurance company here.
Take care,
Marcel

Peter

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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>


Sorry it happened. All can be replaced with $$, less if it was insured. At
least nobody was hurt. Hope the rest of your trip is enjoyable.


--
Peter

Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:34:39 PM12/11/09
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Police report made. I have backups of my shoots up to today, so not all
is lost. The G11 will do until I get a replacement.

Thanks.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Dudley Hanks

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Dec 11, 2009, 2:48:07 PM12/11/09
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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>

That's enough to piss off the Pope...

Hope the rest of your trip goes well...

Take Care,
Dudley


Annika1980

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Dec 11, 2009, 2:48:40 PM12/11/09
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On Dec 11, 11:18 am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
wrote:

> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
> being stolen.

Great news. Now you can switch to Canon like you've wanted to do for
so long.

LOL!

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Dec 11, 2009, 3:08:52 PM12/11/09
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, TOO FUCKIN' FUNNY!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

>
>
>25. A good P&S camera is a good theft deterrent. When traveling you are not
>advertising to the world that you are carrying $20,000 around with you.
>That's like having a sign on your back saying, "PLEASE MUG ME! I'M THIS
>STUPID AND I DESERVE IT!" Keep a small P&S camera in your pocket and only
>take it out when needed. You'll have a better chance of returning home with
>all your photos. And should you accidentally lose your P&S camera you're
>not out $20,000. They are inexpensive to replace.
>
>

Troy Piggins

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Dec 11, 2009, 3:18:50 PM12/11/09
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* Savageduck wrote :

Aah, bummer! What a downer for your trip. Glad to hear it was
all backed up and you have another camera I suppose, but still
leaves a bad taste in your mouth, hey. You posted to the right
crowd, though. We feel your pain, even if it was Nikon gear. :)

--
Troy Piggins

Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 3:40:17 PM12/11/09
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Aah! but the only lens I lost was the 18-200 VRII.


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Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 3:52:03 PM12/11/09
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Alfred Molon

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:15:11 PM12/11/09
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In article <2009121108180164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...

>
> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
> being stolen.

Sorry to hear that. How was it stolen - at gunpoint? Is South Africa a
dangerous place to travel?
--

Alfred Molon
------------------------------
Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

Tim Conway

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:18:10 PM12/11/09
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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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Bummer. At least it can be replaced and you're still healthy. The G11
should get you thru somewhat.

LOL!

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:25:05 PM12/11/09
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LOL!!

I feel sorry for whoever stole that crap of yours. With those photos being
so underexposed in available-light daylight conditions, you should be
grateful!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, NO camera will help with your gawd-awful composition problems.
You'd need a camera with a talent-button or talent-mode to fix that when
using your typical point and shoot methods.

LOL!!

See if you can find another DSLR camera one day where you might get the
WHOLE insect in focus. Holy shit is that one ever bad, from focus to
composition. That's a deletion for trash-can snapshot for certain! And you
don't even have an eye and a brain good enough to realize it would make you
into a snapshooter's laughing-stock?

LOL!!!!

Thanks for the free laughs today! It's all you'll ever be good for.

ROFLMAO!

Ahhh fuck, TOO funny!

LOL!

Tim Conway

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:26:41 PM12/11/09
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"LOL!" <l...@lol.org> wrote in message
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Why don't you crawl back under your rock?

LOL!

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:28:23 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:15:11 +0100, Alfred Molon <alfred...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <2009121108180164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...
>>
>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>> being stolen.
>
>Sorry to hear that. How was it stolen - at gunpoint? Is South Africa a
>dangerous place to travel?

Any place is dangerous to travel, if you're a total moron and idiot.

LOL!

LOL!

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:31:36 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:26:41 -0500, "Tim Conway" <tconw...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Boy, you sure told me!

LOL!

ROFLMAO!

Richard

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:41:04 PM12/11/09
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"LOL!" <l...@lol.org> wrote in message
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Voice of experience speaking there.

John McWilliams

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:41:58 PM12/11/09
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Tim Conway wrote:

>> LOL!
> Why don't you crawl back under your rock?

Tim-

Many of us in the photog groups feel the only way to deal with the
coward pest is to not reply to anything he poasts. (or to those who
reply to him habitually)

He'll still stick around for a bit, baiting and gnashing. But that's fun
to watch.

--
john mcwilliams

LOL!

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Dec 11, 2009, 4:53:53 PM12/11/09
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The voice of experience from one who has traveled the world in some of the
most dangerous places on earth. One who has watched morons like SavageCluck
get their cameras stolen or their brains bashed out. While I merrily went
on my way watching Darwinism take full effect on them and cheering it on.
Hoping that, perhaps, with luck, there will be enough damage done to their
bodies so idiots like SavageCluck would never breed and darken the
gene-pool more than it already is. I, instead, was invited to those
"dangerous" people's homes for a nice dinner and interesting stories told
by them, about all the idiots they have to deal with all their lives, every
day. If you don't know how to fit in you don't belong there in the first
place, you fucking fools.

LOL!

Richard

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Dec 11, 2009, 5:01:16 PM12/11/09
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"LOL!" <l...@lol.org> wrote in message
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Oh dear. Seems like you missed your enema,.You're still so full of shit.

Peter

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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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Make you a deal. I'll replace what you lost for the chance to take those
shots.

Seriously, nice shots.

--
Peter

Bill Graham

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Dec 11, 2009, 5:32:27 PM12/11/09
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"Tim Conway" <tconw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "LOL!" <l...@lol.org> wrote in message
> news:agd5i551c06j678bl...@4ax.com...

>> LOL!


> Why don't you crawl back under your rock?
>

I think this one flies.....I hear a weird buzzing when he is
around.......Not to worry.....that's what my, "blocked senders list" is
for.......

John McWilliams

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Dec 11, 2009, 5:57:57 PM12/11/09
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Richard wrote:

>
> Oh dear. Seems like you missed your enema,.You're still so full of shit.

Richard-

Telling him off, reasoning, arguing, ad hominems all serve to feed the
coward's twisted ego.

Please stop.

--
lsmft

celcius

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Dec 11, 2009, 6:20:29 PM12/11/09
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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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Hey Savageduck!
Great shots!
I bet you do as good with your other camera because a camera is no substitue
for a good photographer.
Take care,
Marcel

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Bill Graham

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Dec 11, 2009, 7:08:04 PM12/11/09
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"Larry Thong" <larry...@shitstring.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today. It started with a
>> flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200 VRII, Black Rapid
>> strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards being stolen.
>>
>> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
>> fall back on.
>
> Savages, fucken' savages! I hope the bastards choke on hot elephant
> dung. Anyway, sorry to hear about this. Enjoy the rest of your vacation.

Hummmm.....I wonder if the police there get DMV info from the pawnbrokers as
they do here in most cities.....Strikes me that the stuff could be
recoverable.....

Bowser

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:22:22 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:08:52 -0600, LOL! <l...@lol.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck
><savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>>It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>>VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>>being stolen.
>>
>>I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
>>fall back on.
>
>LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And from what we've all seen, the blind man who frequents this group
still produces better shots than you. See if you can get the elephant
dick out of your mouth long enough to post something. Anything.

But do it quietly. Remember your parents are right upstairs.

RichA

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:53:38 PM12/11/09
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Savageduck wrote:
> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
> being stolen.
>
> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
> fall back on.
>

> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck

That country has gone to hell in the last 15 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa

Robert Coe

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:43:01 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:09:07 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
: On 2009-12-11 09:24:07 -0800, John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> said:
:
: > Savageduck wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
: >> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
: >> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
: >> being stolen.
: >>
: >> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
: >> fall back on.
: >>
: >
: > Damn!
: >
: > Sorry to hear of this. Hope the rest goes well.
:
: Thanks, it is just that it is tough to be philosphical about this sort
: of thing. Now I feel like being violent.

With GREAT justification. But to be philosophical...

1) You lost almost none of your pictures. And presumably they are why you took
the trip. There isn't a person in these newsgroups who wouldn't rather lose
his cameras than his pictures.

2) Even if insurance doesn't cover much of your loss, it's a relative pittance
compared to what this trip is probably costing you.

3) In this wired age of overnight air, you can call your favorite camera
equipment vendor, and replacement gear will be waiting for you in Johannesburg
or Nairobi or Cairo - wherever you'll be in three days. And at least you had
the foresight to carry a spare camera.

4) It could have been far worse. You could be languishing in a hospital
recovering from food poisoning, emergency heart surgery, a serious automobile
accident, etc. My wife recently got sick and apent three weeks in the hospital
with a blood infection. She recovered; but if we had been on vacation, the
whole trip would have gone up in smoke.

So as John says, put this behind you and enjoy the rest of your trip! And be
ready to tell us the whole story when you get back.

(No charge for the attempted rationalizations.)

Bob

Robert Coe

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:47:33 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:48:40 -0800 (PST), Annika1980 <annik...@aol.com>
wrote:
: On Dec 11, 11:18�am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>

Jeez, Bret, you sure know how to kick a guy when he's down! ;^)

Bob (Canon owner)

Robert Coe

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:52:05 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:08:52 -0600, LOL! <l...@lol.org> wrote:
: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck

: <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
:
: >Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
: >It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
: >VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
: >being stolen.
: >
: >I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
: >fall back on.
:
: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:
: Oh, TOO FUCKIN' FUNNY!
:
: ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Why, you whiny little twerp! Don't you get it? Even the thief couldn't be
bothered with the P&S!

Bob

Bob Larter

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:59:39 PM12/11/09
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On 12/12/2009 8:53 AM, LOL! wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:41:04 -0000, "Richard"
> <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> "LOL!"<l...@lol.org> wrote in message
>> news:1ae5i5pd0arlia78m...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:15:11 +0100, Alfred Molon<alfred...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<2009121108180164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>>> savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>>>>> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>>>>> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>>>>> being stolen.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear that. How was it stolen - at gunpoint? Is South Africa a
>>>> dangerous place to travel?
>>>
>>> Any place is dangerous to travel, if you're a total moron and idiot.
>>
>> Voice of experience speaking there.
>>
>>
>
> The voice of experience from one who has traveled the world in some of the
> most dangerous places on earth.

Yeah, sure you have, kiddo.


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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Robert Coe

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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:26:41 -0500, "Tim Conway" <tconw...@comcast.net>
wrote:
:
: "LOL!" <l...@lol.org> wrote in message

He can't find it. His GPS device was stolen from his car.

Bob

Atheist Chaplain

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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200 VRII,
> Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards being
> stolen.
>
> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
> fall back on.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>

the trips not over yet ;-)

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Charles E Hardwidge

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:00:19 PM12/11/09
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Don't cross-post like that. It only leads to trouble.

FU trimmed to alt.photgraphy.

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Charles E Hardwidge

Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:39:37 PM12/11/09
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On 2009-12-11 13:15:11 -0800, Alfred Molon <alfred...@yahoo.com> said:

> In article <2009121108180164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...
>>
>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>> being stolen.
>
> Sorry to hear that. How was it stolen - at gunpoint? Is South Africa a
> dangerous place to travel?

Truth be told i was careless & complacent.

South Africa is less dangerous than most African countries and for the
most part safe for travel, but the caveat is there that your valuables
are always vulnerable.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:50:26 PM12/11/09
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Thanks Bob.

I am doing pretty much as you suggested. Police report filed, and I
will Use my G11 for the rest of the trip and deal with insurance once I
get home on the 22nd.

I am more steamed at myself for my lapse in vigilance. I guess that is
what happens when you get too complacent.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Bob Larter is Lionel Lauer - Look it up.

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Dec 12, 2009, 4:58:20 AM12/12/09
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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:59:39 +1100, Bob Larter <bobby...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 12/12/2009 8:53 AM, LOL! wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:41:04 -0000, "Richard"
>> <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "LOL!"<l...@lol.org> wrote in message
>>> news:1ae5i5pd0arlia78m...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:15:11 +0100, Alfred Molon<alfred...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article<2009121108180164440-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>>>> savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>>>>>> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>>>>>> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>>>>>> being stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to hear that. How was it stolen - at gunpoint? Is South Africa a
>>>>> dangerous place to travel?
>>>>
>>>> Any place is dangerous to travel, if you're a total moron and idiot.
>>>
>>> Voice of experience speaking there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The voice of experience from one who has traveled the world in some of the
>> most dangerous places on earth.
>
>Yeah, sure you have, kiddo.


Bob Larter's legal name: Lionel Lauer
Home news-group, an actual group in the "troll-tracker" hierarchy:
alt.kook.lionel-lauer (established on, or before, 2004)
Registered Description: "the 'owner of several troll domains' needs a group where he'll stay on topic."

<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&num=10&as_ugroup=alt.kook.lionel-lauer>

"Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 for group:alt.kook.lionel-lauer."

LOL!

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:15:09 AM12/12/09
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A thief isn't interested in which is the better camera. (And in this
instance I suspect that the better camera, the P&S, was safe within
someone's pocket or other non-DSLR location at the time, otherwise it would
have been stolen along with the DSLR.) A thief is only interested in what
fools are willing to pay the highest price for. The exact same reason that
camera stores just love to push DSLR gear on the unsuspecting beginner
photographer. (As we've all seen direct evidence of, by SavageCluck's
recently posted beginner's snapshot examples--again.) The camera shop-owner
thief will gleefully grin every time the new DSLR owner has to come in
again and again to find a better lens to make that original DSLR-body
scam-purchase seem worth it.

DSLR's are the currency of thieves, in or out of stores.

Don't YOU get it? You whiney little twerp.

LOL!

Ray Fischer

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Dec 12, 2009, 7:50:57 AM12/12/09
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LOL! <l...@lol.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:52:05 -0500, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:08:52 -0600, LOL! <l...@lol.org> wrote:
>>: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck
>>: <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>:
>>: >Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>>: >It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>>: >VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>>: >being stolen.
>>: >
>>: >I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
>>: >fall back on.
>>:
>>: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>:
>>: Oh, TOO FUCKIN' FUNNY!
>>:
>>: ROFLMAO!!!!!!
>>
>>Why, you whiny little twerp! Don't you get it? Even the thief couldn't be
>>bothered with the P&S!
>>
>>Bob
>
>A thief isn't interested in which is the better camera. (And in this
>instance I suspect that the better camera, the P&S, was safe within

Go away, asshole troll.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

Savageduck

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On 2009-12-11 16:01:11 -0800, Larry Thong <larry...@shitstring.com> said:

> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today. It started with a
>> flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200 VRII, Black Rapid
>> strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards being stolen.
>>
>> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
>> fall back on.
>

> Savages, fucken' savages! I hope the bastards choke on hot elephant
> dung. Anyway, sorry to hear about this. Enjoy the rest of your vacation.

These were savages of the urban type, typical of any major city World
wide. They would have found it difficult to find any hot elephant dung
to choke on nearby.

...and Cape Town at the foot of Table Mountain is undeniably one of the
World's incredible & beautiful cities.
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_3353w.jpg

Now I am trying to rationalize.
I have had the D300 for about a year, and using your 18 month theory I
was due for a change anyway, so the question is, D300s? D700(x)? or
D3(x)? given that I really don't need FF it will probably be the D300s,
a minor update to my D300. (Sorry Canonistas, I still have too much
Nikkor glass.)

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 8:30:29 AM12/12/09
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Working on it Bill, working on it. There has been a little professional
courtesy given to me by the local PD.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 8:48:57 AM12/12/09
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Thanks Peter, and I would still encourage you to take that trip some
day, it is well worth the experience, my loss not withstanding.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 8:55:13 AM12/12/09
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Thanks Marcel.

There are worse things that can happen, so I guess I have been
fortunate to be able to salvage most of this trip.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 9:01:59 AM12/12/09
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On 2009-12-11 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

>
>
> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
> being stolen.
>
> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
> fall back on.

Thanks to all who have tolerated me sharing my loss, now on with the
rest of the trip.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 9:07:00 AM12/12/09
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My case number for the police report at one of many police stations in
the city was 223xxxx, indicating mine was the 223rd crime reported at
that station that day.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Peter

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Just a word of caution with your G11. At ISO over 400, the images may start
to look cartoonish. You do not see that in your camera. I have three friends
who returned it for that reason.


--
Peter

Peter

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Actually, our next planned trip will probably be to the Panama Canal.
Possibly by then I will have a D400.


--
Peter

Robert Coe

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:16:16 AM12/12/09
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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:27:36 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

We wouldn't want you to switch. If a large percentage of Nikon users were to
switch to Canon, Canon would become complacent and lose its competitive
spirit. As would Nikon if the tables were turned. The two companies tend to
keep each other sharp.

Sticking with the latest version of your stolen camera makes perfect sense,
but will you make any adjustments in your lens inventory? Since lenses get
accumulated over time, most of us inevitably end up with inconsistencies and
duplication. Or were all the lenses you brought along favorites that will have
to be replaced?

Sorry to take such a clinical view of your misfortune, but enquiring minds
have to probe these issues. ;^)

Bob

Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:27:18 AM12/12/09
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The only lens I lost was the 18-200 VRII. I had it attached as a
walkaround lens of choice for that day.
I have found it useful and I would probably replace it, and go with a D300s.

I had left the other lenses I had brought on the trip where I was
staying. They were the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8, Nikkor 70-300mm VRII and
35mm f1.8.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Tim Conway

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I bet you wish you had a spare Nikon body along. You'd really be back in
business.

Annika1980

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:50:57 AM12/12/09
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On Dec 11, 9:47 pm, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
> :

> : Great news.  Now you can switch to Canon like you've wanted to do for
> : so long.
>
> Jeez, Bret, you sure know how to kick a guy when he's down!  ;^)
>
> Bob (Canon owner)

You know me. Always looking for that silver lining in that dark
cloud.

Savageduck

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The "life-boat" D70 is at home.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

Robert Coe

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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:27:18 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
: The only lens I lost was the 18-200 VRII. I had it attached as a
: walkaround lens of choice for that day. I have found it useful and
: I would probably replace it, and go with a D300s.
:
: I had left the other lenses I had brought on the trip where I was
: staying. They were the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8, Nikkor 70-300mm VRII
: and 35mm f1.8.

You're lucky you didn't lose the Tokina! It might have taken you months (at
least) to replace it.

Bob

Giovanni Lanzani

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Dec 12, 2009, 12:00:49 PM12/12/09
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Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes:

>
> Now I am trying to rationalize.
> I have had the D300 for about a year, and using your 18
> month theory I was due for a change anyway, so the question
> is, D300s? D700(x)? or D3(x)? given that I really don't need
> FF it will probably be the D300s, a minor update to my
> D300. (Sorry Canonistas, I still have too much Nikkor
> glass.)

Well, since your lenses are mostly for DX (except the 70-300 VR, which
hasn't, however, a great quality), I would say buy the D300 again, and
keep the money for another trip, or get the D700 and with the 18-200 VR
II money buy a 24-70 used :)

Peter

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IMHO the 18-200 is an OK walk around lens, but a little soft for my taste.
Because it is soft, it works as a portrait lens.
Also, I did a test and at a stated 200mm it is significantly wider than my
70-200. I suspect it is a dx 200 without the crop factor.


--
Peter

Alan Browne

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Dec 12, 2009, 2:00:40 PM12/12/09
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As usual, lifeboats left on shore can't save anyone.

Sorry, somebody had to write it!!

Pete D

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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200 VRII,
> Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards being
> stolen.
>
> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
> fall back on.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>

Bad luck about all the gear though, I had a heap of gear stolen in a
burglary, takes a bit to get over.

Cheers.

Pete


Pete D

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Dec 12, 2009, 3:29:27 PM12/12/09
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"John McWilliams" <jp...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh dear. Seems like you missed your enema,.You're still so full of shit.
>
> Richard-
>
> Telling him off, reasoning, arguing, ad hominems all serve to feed the
> coward's twisted ego.
>
> Please stop.
>
> --
> lsmft

Yes you will get no sense from Mr Palmer, otherwise known as the BullShit
Troll.


philo

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Dec 12, 2009, 3:49:01 PM12/12/09
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I had wondered if the flat tire and the theft were related...


Last time I had a flat...I was on the freeway...and the flat was on the
traffic side of the car...almost no clearance and besides that it was
raining like hell.

I decided my life was more valuable than a tire so I just drove (slowly)
to a tire shop quite a few miles away.

The tire needed to be replaced...it was not repairable...
I assume driving on it flat did the most damage...but it might have been
a goner anyway.

NameHere

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Dec 12, 2009, 3:55:42 PM12/12/09
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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:27:22 -0500, "Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net>
wrote:

Then maybe he'll start to learn to use a camera like any professional
photographer, who rarely needs more than ISO200.

Sorry about your friends, that are nothing but pathetic snapshooters. Birds
of a feather!

Tim Conway

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Dec 12, 2009, 4:06:58 PM12/12/09
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"philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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You most likely made the wise choice. Back when I was a teenager, a friend
of a friend was killed while changing a tire along the highway - total
bummer.

philo

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Dec 12, 2009, 4:11:37 PM12/12/09
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Very sorry to hear that...
I've heard the same about joggers running along side the roadway.

Not a good idea

C J Campbell

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Dec 12, 2009, 4:17:02 PM12/12/09
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On 2009-12-11 12:52:03 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

> On 2009-12-11 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
>> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
>> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
>> being stolen.
>>
>> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
>> fall back on.
>

Oddly enough, I like the caterpillar the best.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell

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Dec 12, 2009, 4:20:03 PM12/12/09
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On 2009-12-11 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

>
>
> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today.
> It started with a flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200
> VRII, Black Rapid strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards
> being stolen.
>
> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
> fall back on.

Growing problem in Cape Town, with organized gangs stealing just about
anything that is not nailed down.

Good luck on the rest of your trip. And watch your back.

Peter

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"philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>
>


> I had wondered if the flat tire and the theft were related...

Wouldn't surprise me. But life goes on.


>
>
> Last time I had a flat...I was on the freeway...and the flat was on the
> traffic side of the car...almost no clearance and besides that it was
> raining like hell.
>
> I decided my life was more valuable than a tire so I just drove (slowly)
> to a tire shop quite a few miles away.
>
> The tire needed to be replaced...it was not repairable...
> I assume driving on it flat did the most damage...but it might have been a
> goner anyway.

Smart choice. Many years ago my uncle was killed while helping someone
change a tire, under similar circumstances.

--
Peter

philo

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:05:46 PM12/12/09
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Very sorry to hear that

Bill Graham

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"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-12-11 16:01:11 -0800, Larry Thong <larry...@shitstring.com>
> said:

>
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:18:01 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> Well I had a bad day in Cape Town, South Africa today. It started with a
>>> flat tire, and ended with my D300 + MB-D10, 18-200 VRII, Black Rapid
>>> strap, Promote GPS, 2 x 8GB, and one 16GB CF cards being stolen.
>>>
>>> I have until December 21 on this trip. At least I still have my G11 to
>>> fall back on.
>>
>> Savages, fucken' savages! I hope the bastards choke on hot elephant
>> dung. Anyway, sorry to hear about this. Enjoy the rest of your
>> vacation.
>
> These were savages of the urban type, typical of any major city World
> wide. They would have found it difficult to find any hot elephant dung to
> choke on nearby.
>
> ...and Cape Town at the foot of Table Mountain is undeniably one of the
> World's incredible & beautiful cities.
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_3353w.jpg
>
> Now I am trying to rationalize.
> I have had the D300 for about a year, and using your 18 month theory I was
> due for a change anyway, so the question is, D300s? D700(x)? or D3(x)?
> given that I really don't need FF it will probably be the D300s, a minor
> update to my D300. (Sorry Canonistas, I still have too much Nikkor glass.)
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
I have been trying to decide whether to buy a D300, or the 300s
model.....Exactly what is the advantage of the 300s?

Bill Graham

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:33:43 PM12/12/09
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Wow! 223 per day! - Sounds like New York City statistics........When I was
10 years old (1945) I could leave my bicycle leaning against the side of the
movie theatre in downtown Lynbrook for 2 hours while I was inside watching a
movie, and it would still be there waiting for me when I got out. Today, it
would be gone before I finished buying my ticket.....

Bill Graham

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:43:18 PM12/12/09
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"philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Speaking of tires.....Has anyone seen these new tires that don't have any
air in them? They are mostly not even there.....You can see through them,
because they are a road-contacting surface at the end of a series of springs
arranged radially around an axis.......

Bill Graham

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Belonging to AAA is a wise choice.....It's only $25 a year, and it buys you
a lot of peace of mind.

Bill Graham

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:50:35 PM12/12/09
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"philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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This is why I stopped riding a bicycle (when I was about 50 years old) A car
sideswiped me and didn't even stop.......He was angry at me for "hogging"
about three feet of his road space, and not riding in the ditch......

philo

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:50:51 PM12/12/09
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Yes and I am sure a set of them costs more than the combined cost
of the first four cars I've owned!

philo

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I'm 60 and only quit riding my bike a few years ago...
when I was younger it was my main form of transportation.

Now when I see people with bikes in traffic I am amazed at how dangerous
it is

The worst are those people who tote their kids around in a carrier
behind the bike. That would be the first thing hit.

Those things should be strictly for the bike trails or low traffic areas

Bill Graham

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Dec 12, 2009, 5:59:45 PM12/12/09
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This is probably true, but the cost will (should) come down with time, and
it will probably be possible to just change out the road contacting surface,
and keep the rest for re-use, so over time, their high cost might be
justified. I have often thought that there must be some substance that you
could fill a regular tire with that would hold it up without air pressure,
but no one seems to have found it yet.....

Bill Graham

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Dec 12, 2009, 6:03:29 PM12/12/09
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Yes.....Well, when the gasoline runs out, bikes will become a lot more
popular, and more government energy will be used in accommodating them....I
live near Portland, Oregon which is supposed to be one of the most bicycle
friendly cities in the US, but it is still too dangerous to ride even
there.....

Peter

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Dec 12, 2009, 8:42:49 PM12/12/09
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"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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The 300 has been discontinued. The 300s has video and will accept both sd
and CF cards. the 300 will only accept CF cards. You can check the specs at
B&H photo. If I was looking I would try for a new 300. Since I have no use
for the video feature, I would save the money, if a 300 is still available.
I own a 200 and a 300, but will not upgrade at present. If the 400 has
features that I think are worthwhile, I will upgrade at that time.

--
Peter

Peter

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In 1972 my daughter's tricycle was stolen from right in front of our house,
while she was watching. She was five at the time and came in screaming
hysterically about it.

BTW Do you still live on Long Island.

--
Peter

Peter

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The Cooper has run flat tires. If you get a flat you can drive on it for
about 90 miles. the cost of replacement as several hundred dollars, per
tire.

--
Peter

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Savageduck

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:56:32 PM12/12/09
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This was the number at one of 20 or so police stations, or precinct
houses in greater metropolitan Cape Town, with a population of some 4
million +, and that was the number of "reported" crimes at that station.
In the outlying townships the statistics are even worse. Those
townships and shanty towns are crammed with poor and refugees from all
over Africa, few of them have the means to commute into the city proper
and keep the crime and violence hidden from tourists. Those who are
able to get into the city and suburbs add to the crime in the city.

...and crime in Cape Town is not the worst in South Africa. The area
around Johannesburg, and the Kwazulu/Natal area is far worse. I find
Johannesburg to be something of a decaying East L.A. decorated with
fortress mansions, a Mogodishu with bling.

Cape Town is really a beautiful and livable city somewhat like Rio, but
there is a background tension and it is easy to become complacent and a
victim as I did.
I fear South Africa is going to have a tourism PR nightmare after the
2010 World Cup when all those fans have been added to the crime
statistic mix.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:13:10 AM12/13/09
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On 2009-12-12 14:03:32 -0800, "Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> said:

> "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:fPidnfjD4PhenLnW...@ntd.net...
>
>>>
>>
>> I had wondered if the flat tire and the theft were related...
>
> Wouldn't surprise me. But life goes on.

The hole in the sidewall of the tire was made with a screwdriver. Just
above that hole was another attempt which did not penetrate. Probably a
double stab action. Typical squared edges at the ends of the puncture,
tire ruined.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Rol_Lei Nut

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:56:44 AM12/13/09
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Bill Graham wrote:

I live near Portland, Oregon which is supposed to be one of the
> most bicycle friendly cities in the US, but it is still too dangerous to
> ride even there.....


Actually, not at all supported by statistics.

A well-known study in the UK a few years ago (where riding a bicycle is
far more dangerous than in most of Northern Europe) showed a health
advantage of 7:1.
That is, for every year of life lost through accidents, 7 would be
gained through improved health.

So, don't let your subjective interpretation colour your view of reality
(yo *do* tend to do that)....

Bill Graham

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:23:58 PM12/13/09
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"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Thanks. That tells me what I wanted to know.....I have no use for the video
feature either. I will look for a new 300, or a used one in good condition.

Bill Graham

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:31:10 PM12/13/09
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"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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No. I left Lynbrook in 1950, and moved to Bayside for 2 years, and then to
Northern California for 44 years, and retired to Salem, Oregon in 1996. I
hated the hot and humid Summers on the Atlantic coast, but if my mother
hadn't needed to come to California to help her sister take care of their
mother, I would probably still be living back East somewhere.....(Florida?)
So I wish I could say that I am smarter than the average Easterner, but it
isn't the case.....I am just luckier..

Bill Graham

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:39:58 PM12/13/09
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"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Well, I always liked small lightweight automobiles, but living in the US, I
mostly owned roadable versions of the Queen Mary.......I did own three
Volkswagon bugs, however. (and a beautiful MG-"A") In my experience, the
greatest advancement in automotive engineering in my lifetime has been the
radial ply tire. People have gone from a flat tire or two every year, to one
on the order of every 10 years.....And getting 60 K miles on a set instead
of 20 K. This is hard to beat.....They really outperform the old tires on
wet curves too.....

Peter

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:55:33 PM12/13/09
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You must be a slow driver. The only car I came close to that was my 91
Continental. I have Pirellis on my Mercury. At 34,000 the tires needed
replacement.

--
Peter

Peter

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"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Last summer, on the way to Alaska, we went to Seattle for a few days. On the
trip from Mt. St. Helens to Seattle The traffic was the worst I have ever
seen. (I have seen some horrific traffic jams, but this made them all look
like a race track.) Folks there told me that was usual.

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Peter

Pete D

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Dec 14, 2009, 12:52:45 AM12/14/09
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"Rol_Lei Nut" <Speleo_Ka...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So if you lost yyour life in the first year it could only get better after
that??? ;-)


Bill Graham

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:16:17 AM12/14/09
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"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Yes. I have heard that Seattle traffic is bad.....So is the traffic in Los
Angeles. I lived in the San Francisco Bay area, and I realized early on that
commuting was going to be a bummer, so I got a job in the suburbs, (Stanford
University) and bought a house 6 miles from the main gate. I commuted by
bicycle for about 10 years, and by Honda Trail 90 for another 10, and then
bought a house only 1 mile from the main gate, so I could actually walk to
work, (although I usually drove.) I really hate commuting. It doesn't seem
too bad around here right now. (The Salem Oregon area) although I am
retired, so I don't really know.....I try to plan my outings so they don't
take place during the, "rush hour".

Bill Graham

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:23:16 AM12/14/09
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"Peter" <pete...@nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Yeah.....I am pretty slow now. But a lot depends on the road
conditions.....Freeways are pretty straight and smooth around here.....If
you do a lot of traveling on curved roads, then your tires tend to wear out
faster. This would happen had I lived nearer to the coast, and traveled lot
on highway 1, but highway 280, 5, and 101 are straight as arrows for several
miles at a time, and you would have a hell of a time wearing out your tires
on those baby's. Also, there is virtually no ice or snow on the roads down
in the Bay Area, so they don't salt the roads like they do back East.

Bill Graham

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:36:02 AM12/14/09
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"Pete D" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
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You may be right, but I am only repeating what I hear from the
television....They are always talking about how bicycle friendly Portland
is, and I can improve my health in many ways besides bicycling.....When I
was bicycling, I came pretty close to buying the farm on several occasions,
so I am speaking from my own personal experience. Personally, I love to
swim, and can stay in shape by spending a couple of hours a week doing laps
in our local pool.....They don't allow speedboats in our pool....:^) I
wouldn't use statistics to make those kinds of personal decisions in any
case. I have my own lifestyle, and I have to do what is best for
myself.....At 74, my bones aren't as flexible as they were when I was 40,
and a fall from a bicycle might easily be devastating for me, and tie me up
for a long time.....Swimming is a much better option, and the breathing
exercise that I get from it also improves my ability to play my horn which
is my primary hobby.

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