Job Possibility at Film Rescue
Greg Miller
interested in about the coolest job you will ever have please respond
to to our E-mail account. This job would give the right person full
access to our state of the art darkroom to do there own personal work
in down time and a unique darkroom education. This job is likely most
suitable to a younger person who desires to completely submerse
themselves in conventional darkroom work. There may also be the
oppertunity for that person to run sidelines out of our business to
make extra cash. This may actually be perferred as work that we don't
wish to handle but feel should be offered can be taken care of. This
is not a run of the mill job and if we can find the right person it
would likely be a fantastic oppertunity. So if you or somone you know
may be interested have them contact us. We want someone that is
completely enamoured with working in a conventional darkroom.
Greg Miller
william mitchell
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Francis A. Miniter
Francis A. Miniter
Ron Todd wrote:
> If it is a job you enjoy, it isn't slavery.
>
> william mitchell wrote:
> >
> > I thought that Canada had outlawed Slavery.
> > "Greg Miller" <filmr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > If you can work in Canada and don't need a lot of money but are
> > > interested in about the coolest job you will ever have please respond
> > > to to our E-mail account. <snip>
bsa...@ix.netcom.com
Bert
Mike
"who is naive", and I know there are a number of old fools out
there... - I can see the reflection of one in my computer monitor.
Mike
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:06:28 -0600, brou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg Miller) wrote:
>
>>This job is likely most
>>suitable to a younger person
>
>...who is still young and naive?
>
>That's the second time you've posted a want ad recently. If you're not
>getting droves of responses, maybe you should consider paying a decent wage.
>If you can't afford to pay a decent wage, maybe you don't need to hire
>somebody.
Richard Knoppow
>Perhaps it is indentured servitude.
>
>Bert
>
Only if you have false teeth.
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Los Angeles, CA, USA.
dick...@ix.netcom.com
John
<rlt...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>If it is a job you enjoy, it isn't slavery.
If it's something you enjoy, don't do it as a job.
Regards,
John S. Douglas Photographer & Webmaster
Website ------------------- http://www.darkroom-pro.com
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Brian Ellis
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Greg Miller
smarmy ill informed people with to much time on their hands.
Greg Miller
Greg Miller
> Canada just like the US has age discrimination laws. You should say
> "who is naive", and I know there are a number of old fools out
> there... - I can see the reflection of one in my computer monitor.
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:06:28 -0600, brou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg Miller) wrote:
> >
> >>This job is likely most
> >>suitable to a younger person
> >
> >...who is still young and naive?
at every day.
> >
> >That's the second time you've posted a want ad recently. If you're not
> >getting droves of responses, maybe you should consider paying a decent wage.
> >If you can't afford to pay a decent wage, maybe you don't need to hire
> >somebody.
Apparently you have kwow idea about running a small business. The job
certainly pays well above minimum wage but it sure doesn't pay like
Microsoft (maybe they aren't paying so well either). How much do you
know about this job being offered. Somehow you seem to know an awful
lot. Your sure a smart guy and I'll bet your good looking to boot.
If you can't make a worthwhile post, maybe you don't need to make one
at all.
Greg Miller
Ron Todd
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Greg Miller
> So exactly what is the job, and exactly what is the pay?
>
film. Most of the film being processed is between 30 and 80 years old
and requires special attention. Most of the film comes from families
who find film while cleaning out estates after someone dies. You will
be processing film for the dead so to speak. We need someone how will
work on there own without supervision. I'm not into being a "boss".
Starting wage is 8.00 Cdn for a training period of 4 months then it
goes up a couple of bucks until we see what we can afford. It would
depend on the person.
Greg Miller
Dominic Roberts
I am going to side with my distant colleague Greg on this one. I can
assure everybody out there (without needing to get so nasty) that the
job would be a dream for any like-minded young individual to Greg (or
myself). The area is such a highly specialized technical niche of
photographic science that I seriously doubt if any of the other
posters could even comprehend the position.
(Why do you think only 3 labs in the world offer such comprehensive
services?)
This is with the sole exception of Francis Miniter, who from previous
posts here clearly knows his subject.
If people have snide comments to make about the simple process of a
job offer from a reputable and higly capable entrepreneur in the
Photographic industry, I suggest they find an alt group to do it in.
Certainly by UK standards the salary is not high, but the position is
a junior one, and one with future prospects, not a CEO or anything
likewise.
When these disgruntled posters can tell me the exact constituents to
the gram of C-41 and E-3 chemistry without consulting endless
websites, newsgroups, papers, and manuals, then I might be willing to
lend a more sympathetic ear.
Have a nice day in the ol' US of A,
Dominic Roberts, 'Process C-22'
http://www.processc22.co.uk
'Process C-22' - Recovering Your Memories
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> > >>This job is likely most
> > >>suitable to a younger person
> > >
> > >...who is still young and naive?
> > >That's the second time you've posted a want ad recently. If you're not
> > >getting droves of responses, maybe you should consider paying a decent wage.
> > >If you can't afford to pay a decent wage, maybe you don't need to hire
> > >somebody.
> The first was sent with a E-mail address that I can not access.
> Apparently you have no idea about running a small business. The job
Greg Miller
Greg Miller
John
Miller) wrote:
>> (Why do you think only 3 labs in the world offer such comprehensive
>> services?)
Because there is a very, very, very small market.
Dominic Roberts
industry, and misguided as usual.
OK, so John runs a very good and highly informative website, and has
even got some of his own developers on there. However my area of
experience is so different that it often cannot be comprehended.
This reply is not solely aimed at poor old John, but as an
informative, hopefully helpful addition to my previous posting.
The name of our game is breaking all the rules, be it correcting
colour shift in thirty-year old E-4 film by altering the chemistry
mid-process, or boosting gamma by upto 500% in C-22 film developers.
I formulate ALL my own chemistry, and not just developers. We use
unique bleaches, hardening baths, backing removers, dye stabilisers,
and post processing treatments. Control strips are nigh on useless in
this twilight world, we utilise temperature change for its beneficial
effect, not as a method of control.
Until very recently I had never corrected an image in Photoshop. Can
anybody else predict dye levels when developing colour neg films by
inspection? Thought not. How about predicting colour shift after
Colour Slide First developer? Try receiving a blank cassette and
working out the age and process from the colour of emulsion, spool,
label etc. Any error could destroy somebody's memories.
I usually work 15 hour days, and I know Greg has mentioned a 9am to
5am shift. Steve Dock is famously busy. We all have a long backlog
of work.
My point is that there are lots of old films out there, just only
three people with the skill and research background to act upon it.
Perhaps we may be mad, but somebody has to do it, and (I think) we
enjoy it. We all work long hours with relatively low profit margins,
and dream of honourary photographic fellowships.
Having an 80 year-old lady thanking you for recovering images of her
long-passed husband is far better than putting up with pompous
professional photographers who cannot be pleased no matter how many
E-6 5x4's you "push/hold/pull/hold/can't you dev it any quicker?" for
them.
The Customer is paramount - as in a standard lab we cannot make
mistakes, but these images really CANNOT be taken again and our
service reflects that level of care.
My point (again) is that I personally look forward to every phone
call, every envelope, every morning, every time I hang that film up to
dry. How many disillusioned posters muttering "can't have a job you
enjoy" can comprehend this?
Until the next time my friends and colleagues in rec...
Dominic Roberts, 'Process C-22'
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Greg Miller
> On 11 Jan 2002 07:39:16 -0800, filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg
> Miller) wrote:
>
> >> (Why do you think only 3 labs in the world offer such comprehensive
> >> services?)
>
> Because there is a very, very, very small market.
>
What is with people who feel a need to comment on stuff they know
absolutely nothing about. John what do you know about my market? You
don't say maybe it's a small market. No, in fact you seem quite sure
like you read it in a book or perhaps heard it one the evening news.
The next time I have to figure out the inverse square of the quantum
logic co- efficient I'll be sure to contact you. I'm sure you will
have the answer. Why do we need to hire more people? Maybe because we
have a lot of work to do. Maybe from that you may be able to connect
point a to point b and determine that perhaps the market may not be
very, very, very small. Perhaps it is only your lack of comprehension
of my market that is very, very, very small. Shape up friutcake.
P.S. We process between 200 to 600 rolls each month each requiring
special handling and we are the small guys on the block. Rocky
Mountain does 8 to 10 times that volume.
Thor Lancelot Simon
Greg Miller <filmr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>John <jo...@darkroom-pro.com> wrote in message news:<e19u3u4d1hpc5jdn7...@4ax.com>...
>> On 11 Jan 2002 07:39:16 -0800, filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg
>> Miller) wrote:
>>
>> >> (Why do you think only 3 labs in the world offer such comprehensive
>> >> services?)
>>
>> Because there is a very, very, very small market.
>>
>
>What is with people who feel a need to comment on stuff they know
>absolutely nothing about. John what do you know about my market? You
>don't say maybe it's a small market. No, in fact you seem quite sure
>like you read it in a book or perhaps heard it one the evening news.
Well, given the fundamentals of microeconomics and the information
you've already given us in this thread, it's a pretty reasonable
assumption. You make a small profit margin and you can't afford to pay
even what's paid to a color printer in a good custom lab; yet the supply
of your service is quite small. It sure *sounds* like the demand for
your service is small; and if it is not, then you ought to be charging
more money.
Now, maybe there's more going on here than I grasp, but the basic
assumption doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
--
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But as he knew no bad language, he had called him all the names of common
objects that he could think of, and had screamed: "You lamp! You towel! You
plate!" and so on. --Sigmund Freud
Paul Repacholi
> When these disgruntled posters can tell me the exact constituents to
> the gram of C-41 and E-3 chemistry without consulting endless
> websites, newsgroups, papers, and manuals, then I might be willing
> to lend a more sympathetic ear.
Even if the manuals are on your shelf?
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+61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
West Australia 6076
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Greg Miller
> In article <55bfe96e.02011...@posting.google.com>,
> Greg Miller <filmr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >John <jo...@darkroom-pro.com> wrote in message news:<e19u3u4d1hpc5jdn7...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 11 Jan 2002 07:39:16 -0800, filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg
> >> Miller) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> (Why do you think only 3 labs in the world offer such comprehensive
> >> >> services?)
> >>
> >> Because there is a very, very, very small market.
> >>
> >
> >What is with people who feel a need to comment on stuff they know
> >absolutely nothing about. John what do you know about my market? You
> >don't say maybe it's a small market. No, in fact you seem quite sure
> >like you read it in a book or perhaps heard it one the evening news.
>
> Well, given the fundamentals of microeconomics and the information
> you've already given us in this thread, it's a pretty reasonable
> assumption. You make a small profit margin and you can't afford to pay
> even what's paid to a color printer in a good custom lab; yet the supply
> of your service is quite small. It sure *sounds* like the demand for
> your service is small; and if it is not, then you ought to be charging
> more money.
>
> Now, maybe there's more going on here than I grasp, but the basic
> assumption doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Assumption have been a real big problem with this post. People assume
that I am out to find a nieve young thing to exploit. If I could just
go out and hire a good color printer and pay him/her a good wage that
would be great but a good color printer does me little good. What I
require does not exist. They must be extensively trained. It is
during this period where I will have to be spending a lot of time with
them that I will not be giving an outstanding wage. That will be
about four to six months. It is not uncommon for a person wanting a
highly desirable job to work for a year or two with no salary at all.
It's called an internship and this is a highly desirable job; of that
I am confident. Not a single person has made reference that in
exchange for this sacrifice the person will be making, they will be
given run of the darkroom and may also if they like exploit it for
profit in down time. Is there not some kind of value to that. Let's
not forget there is a wage at this job and that wage is well above
minimum wage for our region, and also don't forget that we are not
asking for a person with any kind of experience. Another thing to
keep in mind is that you can by a house in this area starting at about
15 000 dollars U.S.. That is to say the wage provided will not leave
the person living in any kind of poverty. The only requirement is
that they must really enjoy the work and this is easy work to enjoy if
you like working in a darkroom. It is not production work and it is
not at all mindless. You open time capsules for a living. How boring
is that. If all that constitutes a good job is the salary you should
go work for a collection agency. It gets very furustrating when I
honestly feel that I am pressenting a outstanding oppertunity for
someone with a passion for darkroom work and all that happens is that
I get beat down. Have I gone to hell or something. This makes no
sense. When did offering a good job to a group of people that have an
interest in that type of work become such a terrible thing.
Greg Miller
Film Rescue International
John
Miller) wrote:
So ? I did that much in a week when I ran a lab in
Atlantic City, New Jersey during the Miss America pageant.
And that's small potatoes.
Don't get me wrong, I give you guys credit for doing
something you must love to do. Frankly I hope one of you
writes a book about the techniques so that I can purchase
it. But be honest. It's a niche market that is only going to
get smaller as the amount of old films (pre C-41) disappear.
John
On 11 Jan 2002 22:11:32 -0800, filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg
Miller) wrote:
Greg,
I think you are taking this all the wrong way. I'm
sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way but frankly here
in Tennessee (NOT the highest paying area in the U.S. ) the
average hamburger flipper makes $8US/hour. But then the
average home sells for around $100,K and the average car for
around $16,K. So if you're making less than $20,K/year, your
below the poverty line. And that had better be including
benefits as the cost of medical here in the states can
easily run over $350/month per person for good coverage.
BTW, what are taxes like in Canada ? Here in the
States you can kiss 16-25% of your pay goodbye and still
have to pay 8.25% sales tax on the food you eat.
Unfortunately the laws of economics dictate to us all.
While your investment in your prospective employee will be
considerable, your employee is also investing the one
commodity that s/he has only so much of. Time.
I wish you the best and hope that you find someone
worthy of working with your company.
Greg Miller
> On 11 Jan 2002 16:52:55 -0800, filmr...@hotmail.com (Greg
> Miller) wrote:
>
> >P.S. We process between 200 to 600 rolls each month each requiring
> >special handling and we are the small guys on the block. Rocky
> >Mountain does 8 to 10 times that volume.
>
> So ? I did that much in a week when I ran a lab in
> Atlantic City, New Jersey during the Miss America pageant.
> And that's small potatoes.
Yes I know that comparitive to the conventional market the volume is
small potatoes but of those roll that you processed how many needed to
be clip tested, how many had to be loaded onto developing reels under
water, how many did you have to set up new analyzer channels to get a
decent print, how many did you have to attempt printing onto a myriad
of different papers to get a decent print, how many did you have to
manufacture a new carrier to fit into your enlarger, how many hundreds
of control strips did you have to run just to get one process running
the way you wanted, so forth and so on. In a given city there may be
a thousand places changing oil and only one place building custom
engine parts. Your Atlantic City job was changing oil.
\
> Don't get me wrong, I give you guys credit for doing
> something you must love to do. Frankly I hope one of you
> writes a book about the techniques so that I can purchase
> it. But be honest. It's a niche market that is only going to
> get smaller as the amount of old films (pre C-41) disappear.
This is an endless market. Not only do we get as many films from the
forties as the seventies but old formats are dropped and eventually
everyone stops processing them. For example 126, disc and Kodachrome
roll film. Not to mention what may become of c-41 a ways down the
road. Even if c-41 continues on for an eternity I am way more likely
to get something out of a decade or two old c-41 film then most anyone
else. The same goes for old B&W. I am better at this then your
average technician because I have the experience of thousands of rolls
of old film processing and I have a desire to constantly be trying to
improve the process. This you can't learn in a book. We are already
getting a lot of this work.
Sorry for the name calling in the last post. I'm just getting a
little frustrated. We're just looking for someone we want to work
with. It is all very innocent.
All the best
Thor Lancelot Simon
I don't assume anything about your intentions. I *do* think you're way,
way out of line offering a very low wage for skilled work, without any
kind of explanation, and then yelling at anyone who points out that the
wage you're offering is pretty low.
With the explanation you provide afterwards, it makes more sense; hell,
when I was an art-school undergrad the offer might actually have appealed
to me -- though the fact that you're paying significantly less than
McDonald's would still have given me pause. And if $8CDN/hr really is all
you can afford to pay, but it's true, as you say, that there is a virtually
limitless market for your services, then I'd have to stand by my original
conclusion: you are charging significantly too little for your work.
Do, however, please keep in mind that all of this explanation you provided
was provided *after* the fact, and that *before* you provided it you yelled
at all and sundry who questioned the low wage you were offering. I don't
really think the rest of us are out of line, here; any more than I think
you provide conventional photoprocessing services I could obtain from
Kodalux.
Dominic Roberts
have done, always will.
We have to know exactly what result we need to achieve from any given
roll at any given time. Conventional developers and processes are
fine for new material, but it's a whole new ball game for outdated
film.
The only reason I use the formulae is as comparison to my own
chemistry. It is handy as a rule-of-thumb to predict gamma and colour
shift.
My point (and you all know it really) was that people in glass houses
should not throw stones.
I only peruse those 1970's manuals for the nice tobacco-grad shots...
=)
Dominic Roberts, 'Process C-22'
http://www.processc22.co.uk
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