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Gary G

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Apr 10, 2005, 7:21:45 PM4/10/05
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Just a note...Although it was all caused by 2 socks and a hand towel which
passed the other day Irv passed(shall we say)another one...We continue to
look for methods of aversion but obviously we fail...Thanks for being
there...(Nut jobs need not respond...You waste your time)...GG

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Janet B

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Apr 10, 2005, 8:18:09 PM4/10/05
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:21:45 -0700, "Gary G"
<mrhig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Just a note...Although it was all caused by 2 socks and a hand towel which
>passed the other day Irv passed(shall we say)another one...We continue to
>look for methods of aversion but obviously we fail...Thanks for being
>there...(Nut jobs need not respond...You waste your time)...GG

Dedicated cloth eaters (PICA) don't seem to be affected long term by
aversives unfortunately. Avoidance is your best bet, but also, if you
even SUSPECT that he's ingested something - don't wait. Keep Peroxide
in the house. Pour it into him (outside!) and wait a minute.
Supervise to avoid re-ingestion, but the cloth item will present
itself pretty quickly. It can stay in there for ~12 days otherwise,
causing worry and increasing odds of blockage. Good luck with this
one - it's scary and bizarre.


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Spot

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Apr 10, 2005, 8:56:57 PM4/10/05
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Just a note a turkey baster works wonders for getting peroxide into a dog
who's eaten something they shouldn't. Also if you don't have perixode a
table spoon of salt thrown into the back of the mouth will start their gag
reflex and they'll bring the stuff up shortly.

Celeste

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Rocky

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Apr 10, 2005, 9:21:34 PM4/10/05
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Gary G said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> Just a note...Although it was all caused by 2 socks and a
> hand towel which passed the other day Irv passed(shall we
> say)another one...We continue to look for methods of
> aversion but obviously we fail...Thanks for being there...

Thank you for the update.

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buglady

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Apr 11, 2005, 6:25:03 AM4/11/05
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"Gary G" <mrhig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Just a note...Although it was all caused by 2 socks and a hand towel which
> passed the other day Irv passed(shall we say)another one...We continue to
> look for methods of aversion but obviously we fail...Thanks for being
> there

.........geez, do you think he has a belly ache and that's why he wants to
eat stuff like this? The only time I've had a dog try to eat anything and
everything within reach was just before she threw up a roundworm. She
started on the corner of the rug (not trying to chew it but swallow it) and
then when we went outside she started scarfing pebbles. I had another dog
which horked up roundworms after a couple of fecals which were negative.

buglady
take out the dog before replying


Janet B

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Apr 11, 2005, 7:56:47 AM4/11/05
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:25:03 GMT, "buglady" <bugl...@bigfootdog.com>
wrote:

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>.........geez, do you think he has a belly ache and that's why he wants to
>eat stuff like this? The only time I've had a dog try to eat anything and
>everything within reach was just before she threw up a roundworm.


It's not eating anything and everything. It's CLOTH. I have lost
count of how many dogs I know who do this. MANY of the breed mine is.
There's definitely a genetic component. No illness, no feeling bad,
no worms. PICA. Wish there was something that made me feel convinced
that it could be CURED, but I'll never feel that way.......

Janet B

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Apr 11, 2005, 9:30:11 AM4/11/05
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:10:40 GMT, David Sherman
<possi...@possible20.org> wrote:

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>Celeste,
>
>Do you mean Hydrogen Peroxide? The same stuff I put on my own cuts and
>scrapes?
>
>Just want to make sure I understand in case of emergency.


Same stuff. Keep a bottle in your car if you travel with this dog,
and keep it handy at home. Saves a lot of worry.

David Sherman

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Apr 11, 2005, 9:10:40 AM4/11/05
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Spot wrote on 4/10/05 8:56 PM:

> Just a note a turkey baster works wonders for getting peroxide into a dog
> who's eaten something they shouldn't. Also if you don't have perixode a
> table spoon of salt thrown into the back of the mouth will start their gag
> reflex and they'll bring the stuff up shortly.
>
> Celeste

Celeste,

Do you mean Hydrogen Peroxide? The same stuff I put on my own cuts and
scrapes?

Just want to make sure I understand in case of emergency.

Thanks.

Gary G

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Apr 11, 2005, 9:28:10 AM4/11/05
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Thanks to all who responded... We have checked for worms and in every other
way he is normal...In fact he really doesn't care much about food...He's a
light eater (of food)and chews and plays with toys all the time...But any
piece of cloth and down it goes...Whole,...not even chewed...I realize this
is a tragedy waiting to happen...We remain on laundry lockdown and continue
to search for answers...GG

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Janet B

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Apr 11, 2005, 9:50:09 AM4/11/05
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:28:10 -0700, "Gary G"
<mrhig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>.Whole,...not even chewed...I realize this
>is a tragedy waiting to happen...We remain on laundry lockdown and continue
>to search for answers...GG


heh - we call it the same around here - Laundry Lockdown. I've
queried more people than you can imagine. There's no real answer
except that it's a PICA behavior. No nutritional deficiencies, no
behavioral inadequacies (i.e. no lack of training, things to do, etc).

Snake-like behavior this swallowing whole - very scary and always
there. I know of dogs who've never stopped this behavior, even into
their senior years, so vigilance and good maintenance is the only real
answer.

Marshall Dermer

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Apr 11, 2005, 3:34:07 PM4/11/05
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In article <guvk515kd3n6dcepb...@4ax.com> Janet B <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> writes:
>there. I know of dogs who've never stopped this behavior, even into
>their senior years, so vigilance and good maintenance is the only real
>answer.

What about a muzzle that permits drinking but not eating?

Janet B

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Apr 11, 2005, 3:39:14 PM4/11/05
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On 11 Apr 2005 19:34:07 GMT, der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) wrote:

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>What about a muzzle that permits drinking but not eating?


That would fall under maintenance IMO. I would rather have laundry
lockdown and continue to try to find training opportunities (that
said, I don't have any - Franklin doesn't even blink when I toss a
load of clean or dirty laundry on top of him, but given the "right"
circumstance, he's swallow a sock whole when I wasn't around, in a
heartbeat), than have a dog wear a muzzle (and I would never feel safe
leaving a muzzle on an unattended dog).

buglady

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Apr 12, 2005, 7:52:13 AM4/12/05
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"Janet B" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
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It's CLOTH. I have lost
> count of how many dogs I know who do this. MANY of the breed mine is.
> There's definitely a genetic component. No illness, no feeling bad,
> no worms. PICA. Wish there was something that made me feel convinced
> that it could be CURED, but I'll never feel that way.......

.........just out of curiosity, ever tried digestive enzymes?

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Janet B

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Apr 12, 2005, 8:12:03 AM4/12/05
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:52:13 GMT, "buglady" <bugl...@bigfootdog.com>
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>
>.........just out of curiosity, ever tried digestive enzymes?


I have, but early on. Maybe I'll give that another shot - can't hurt
I guess.

He eats raw, with C, E, Flax Oil and Glucosamine added.

Janet B

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Apr 12, 2005, 1:41:51 PM4/12/05
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:20:01 -0500, diddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net>
wrote:

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>Maybe his diet is lacking and he needs real food? (just a thought)


what "real food" are you indicating. He ate high quality kibble for
the 1st 2.5 years of his life. Wasn't any different then than now.

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Janet B

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Apr 13, 2005, 7:45:33 AM4/13/05
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:45:17 -0500, diddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net>
wrote:

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>>
>> thats puppy behavior. And normal.


Nope. Swallowing cloth whole, like a snake, is not normal puppy
behavior. There was never a chewing issue.

> Either he hasn't grown up, or he has a
>problem. Psychological, Physical or possibly nutritional.

Well, being an FCR, he never will grow up. His grandfather did this
his entire life, until his death at 14. A LOT of his breed, and at
least half his litter does this.

>Dietary would be the easiest to alter. And i suggest that you try that.

Just how long do you think it would take to test a dietary change?
I'm not about to leave socks out after x-amount of time on a new diet,
and hope for the best.

>It's your dog. If it's a problem, you will try altering things. If it's not
>a problem and just something for you to talk about. you won't. *shrug*

Altering things without a way to actually test them, is a somewhat
futile effort.

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