Re: Crate question
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There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
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Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
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> Dear experienced dog folk,
You mean 'HOWEDY Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin
Rotten Lyin Animal Murderin Punk Thug Cowards And
Active Accute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant
MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASES who jerk choke shock
bribe crate intimidate surgically sexually mutilate and
MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE
abHOWET IT' <{}: ~ ( >
> I am interested in purchasing this crate for one of my dogs.
Lockin dogs in boxes makes them GO INSANE:
Subject: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods
1 From: Deltones
Date: Wed, Nov 30 2005 3:30 pm
Email: "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com>
I've had my JR puppy for close to a month now (She's
3 mo), and I want to say that I believe in Jerry Howe's
method for training my dog. I hate how he makes
Webster cry with his way of writing, and the fact he
quotes every damn posts written since the Big Bang
in every replies he does.
A lot of you consider their dogs as a part of your family,
but I read so many posts about screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating the living crap out of your
dogs that I wonder why some of you have them at all.
Do you raise your kids that way, or you raise
them with kindness to the best of your abilities?
Yes, Jerry's online personnality totally sucks, and
he would be better served by having his Wit's End
document speak for itself and reply to people with
the same kind of eloquence he shows in his manual.
Unfortunately he doesn't, and as a result, the majority
of people here tuned him out. If you hate the messenger,
don't disregard his message, and do yourself the favor
of downloading his manual and read it at least once.
Your dog deserves it.
Like previously stated, I have a 3 mo Jack Russell,
and a lot of people think these dogs become totally
insane when left alone.
Mine has the full run of the house when I'm at work already.
Why?
Because she did go totally insane when I left her in
her crate, crapping on herself in the process. It was
not fun.
I followed Jerry's advice and did the "Separation
Anxiety" method in the manual, and my house
has not been destroyed.
Dog happier, house not destroyed?
That's all I needed to know.
If you're wondering, nope, she's not housebroken yet,
and I do come back with her business on the floor.
Winter is starting here in Montreal and she really
hates going outside in the cold (sorry Jerry, it's really
not instinctive in her), so I know I will have some
difficulties with the housebreaking process.
Do I get frustrated to have to wash the floor every day?
Yeah I do, but I try my best not to show it to the dog.
That's the small price I decided to pay to have that
small furball in my life. I'm confident she'll get the
hang of it, but I know that it's not going to happen
with kicking and screaming.
Tune out Jerry if you want if he doesn't make sense
to you. But give his Wit's End manual a good look,
because when he wrote it at that point in his life, he did.
Denis
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> Has anyone had any experience with it? Or something similar?
Yeah. MOST of your fellHOWE dog lover's dogs are DYIN
from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES,
a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome from bein locked in boxes
and ignored when they cry or sprayed in the face with aversives
or jerked and choked till they're QUITE.
LIKE THIS:
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
--------------------
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
----------------
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
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> At $250 it's a little pricey to turn into just another horizontal surface.
Seems you got more money than brains:
Subject: The crate escape - my brilliant puppy!
1 From: Janet B
Date: Wed, Apr 5 2006 7:44 am
Email: Janet B j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com
After Rudy came to stay with us, I got tired of running
into an open crate door, so I bought a new crate, with a
door that folds up and in. "can't be opened from the inside"
says the ad. I always looked at these and hought "right",
but for the last few months (yes, folks, it's been 3.5 months)
it has worked great.
Until Monday.
That's when Mr Smarty-pants decided he knew how
to open it. And greeted us at the door after 6+ hours
of freedom.
A chewed wastebasket lid and a puddle inside the
front door (he loses it if very excited and yesterday
morning I found evidence that a smallish dog had
apparently "visited" right outside my full view front
door) was all that was wrong.
So yesterday, when I left for a short errand, I made
sure to clip the door closed securely. And once again
came home to an unconfined puppy.
So, today, the crate will get clips on the door to ensure
this doesn't happen again. I need him to learn that he
shouldn't let himself out.
But it looks like he's going to be allowed house freedom
within a few days, and since he'll be 9 months old on
Monday, that'll be the day.
I'll take the next few days to put some shoes away and
check out other things he may be interested in, and get
out the bitter apple.
My house is not exactly the neatest place in the world,
and there's a lot of stuff that may be too available and
interesting. We shall see.
My puppy is growing up and too smart for his own good!
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: J1Boss (j1b...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST
> From: Rocky
> Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
>
> I think that Franklin's been naughty.
>
>--
>--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
and apparently pretty sneaky too -
can't figure this one out still!
FYI - He ingested a mystery sock.
Hadn't done that in well over a year.
When he was a puppy we were very lucky -
they went through or came up. We've done
"sock work" with him leaving them alone,
but mostly are pretty conscientious about
not making them available.
The risk is obviously too high. One of his
littermates beat him to the punch with the
same surgery, and his great grandfather had
this habit until he died at age 12.
My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he
wasn't with me every waking moment as usual
as a result, I can only imagine that the sock
presented itself somehow while she was with him.
He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency
surgery on Monday, but was home by Tuesday - we
lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that
they didn't need to cut the bowel.
Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate
the sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so
the leash is very necessary! He's got about a foot
of staples on his tummy, and this was a very
expensive sock!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
FRANKLIN and JANET, ACT II
From: J1Boss (j1b...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: What can I do if I can't afford a behaviorist?
Date: 2002-06-27 05:20:30 PST
> From: diddy d...@nospam.diddy.net
> Some dogs are really adept at getting
> out of things, even the impossible.
Yes indeed. I crated Franklin when I had to
leave yesterday. He's post surgical and needs
to be confined and rest/kept safe.
He is used to crates, has not problem with
them and does not "escape" (mesh crates, wire
crates, etc - he takes them all in stride,
whether strange places or at home).
When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the
door. He had managed to bend the clips on the
end panel of his metal crate (General Cage 204)
and squeeze out the top/side of the end panel
that has the door. The door was securely closed.
THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of
staples in your tummy. He hadn't done it before -
but he's not his usual self obviously.
We won't be trying that again any time soon!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEEAHAAAHAAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> He's destroyed the standard issue crate
Naaaah?
> so I need to switch to the heavy artillery.
Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about
> "Separation anxiety surrogate toy technique."
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it
> a try with my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.
I just used it last evening while my husband and I went out
to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie,
but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the
meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other
distraction/praise techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Experience.
From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13
Hi Steve,
Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.
It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.
Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).
They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.
The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.
Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell
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Subject: To Jerry
1 From: MarilynRammell
Date: Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email: "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@hotmail.com>
Hello Jerry,
A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.
In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'. They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.
She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else. The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.
They collected her and brought her to me. I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.
Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing. Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class. They were
absolutely delighted.
They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'. They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.
Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
"Anthony Testa" <testa52> wrote in message
We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn
down, etc. The next day we put her in the crate
again. This time we came home to a nice 2' x 3'
hole in our carpet in the middle of the living room,
right down to the cement.
I told my wife that we cannot afford to keep this dog.
We should go out and get a puppy.
<SNIP>
First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.
Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
the DDR.
This is an amazing god send to us.
First of all, Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks
for that gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect.
This testimonial is kind of winded so I will say this......
Jerry's product literally saved this dogs life.
Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry
told us the product works immediately and it did! She
does not bark at all during the day except when the
mailman drops mail into the slot on the door.
The manual for training works exactly as it says!
<SNIP>
Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
you my friend are a life saver!!!
Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would galdly
talk to them.
Thank you very much for all your help.
God bless you...
Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi.
Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his business.
I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with
regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal
and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a
very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold-
the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "nicole" <>
To: "Jerald D. Howe"
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!
Hi Jerald,
Just wanted to tell you we read your manual and have
started working with the dogs...
"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a.k.a. "The Destroyer")
has already shown great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)
She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".
We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and not a thing
was touched when we got back! We were both surpised
because Chloe isn't that interested in toys and was still very
uptight about us reaching for the door...anyway, it seemed
to work. We both work all day today so we'll see how that
goes...
Regardless, we will be cool as cukes when we get home! ;)
I'm just so thankful we might have a chance to get
through to her! We're very excited about her progress
thus far...
Thank You!
Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "LESPERANCE/DEAKIN" <madea...@total.net>
Date: 1999/10/06
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety
Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you. It worked!
Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the
road for my work this summer. I was gone twice for 10
long days each time. Although there were still people
home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he
became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc)
We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him
now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands
he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I
didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes
8 hours.
Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy.
I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in
his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction
in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put
their shoes away! Now the toy stays in the crate all day,
and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave.
He seems quite proud when we come home.
I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand
that, so I think my dog may be confused too!
Marcie (Winslow's mom)
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AND LIKE THIS:
"nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1156529540.1...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
It has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's
recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o.
chocolate lab.
We have seen remarkable results.
She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with
Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without
her barking in a high pitch incessantly.
I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair railing,
putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so that she
could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about 10-15
minutes of planning and moving things before we could leave.
Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW
use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner
or whatever, without any problems.
She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.
I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.
Another problem that we had with her was although she would
not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!
Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.
We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.
Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.
It is that simple!
Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
Nancy and Amelia
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SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
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From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
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SEE?
> I'm talking to my vet tomorrow about doggie downers
> as well, though I'm not a big fan of the idea.
That's ABSURD. Furthermore, they only work 65%
of the time, accordin to the pharmacutical companies.
Here sharon too, veterinary office manager, mrs. veterinary
malpracticioner, fraud, liar, coward, and active accute chronic
life long incurable mental case WHO'S OWN DOG GOT THE
SAME PROBLEM, SNIPPED the part where Robin REPORTED
CURING her 12 year old dog's SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS
and told her not to talk abHOWET her 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS here on The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Forums:
From: Robin
Date: Mon, Jun 13 2005 6:14 pm
Email: Robin robin4...@yahoo.com
In article <11arv91h2lk8...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Sharon too" <requestmyaddyfi...@nospam.com> wrote:
> This is obviously a request for a two person conversation.
> <snipped>
> Your private discussion with him here will benefit no one.
Who are you to judge the group benefit of the content
of my posts, or to dictate if I may post it, to Jerry
or anyone else?
Robin.
AND THEN she DONE IT AGAIN:
From: Sharon too
Date: Mon, Jun 13 2005 6:23 pm
Email: "Sharon too" <requestmyaddyfi...@nospam.com>
>> This is obviously a request for a two person conversation.
<snipped>
>> Your private discussion with him here will benefit no one.
> Who are you to judge the group benefit of the content of
> my posts, or to dictate if I may post it, to Jerry or
> anyone else?
Read the group. Google archives. By all means, if you are
seeking a professional opinion from this person you had
better check resources and references. Since he has tried
hundreds of times, if not more, over the years to insert
himself and his claims here at rec.pets.dogs.health, that
should be reference enough. Still want to follow his
convoluted advice?
Your risk.
As for judging the group, I was merely trying to give
you advice which was to take your questions to private
e-mail snce your request would get you nothing but
headaches from people who are constantly killfiling
Jerry, his new IDs and sockpuppets.
-Sharon
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Robin REPORTED she CURED her 12 year old dog's FEAR
OF THUNDER and SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS
NEARLY INSANTLY.
Your own dogs got SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS
and FEAR OF THUNDER and cruciate ligament DIS-EASE,
don't they, sharon too,
And THAT'S HOWE COME only liars dog abusers cowards
and active acute chronic long term incurable mental
cases post here abHOWETS UNLESS it's to say "THANK
YOU The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey
Wizard, your FREE MANUAL SAVED MY DOG'S LIFE.
G-D BLESS YOU."
"Sharon" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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$...@corp.supernews.com...
> At my wit's end, I found Jerry Howe's information on the
> Internet, contacted him and read his manual. At this point
> she is not cured, but by making a fuss over an inanimate
> object when I leave, I can see progress in the area of
> separation anxiety. I am using his manual to work on other
> aspects of her behavior. I just want to say thanks so much
> to Jerry for his manual, .....
> Nesskay
Let me be the first:
<PLONK>
Fall in line, folks.
-------------------------
SEE?
> Perhaps some insight on those who have used them?
AS STATED. You're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
and ACTIVE ACCUTE CHRONIC LIFE LONG INCURABLE
MALIGNANT MALICIHOWES MENTAL CASES for advice
for the SAME PROBLEMS their own dogs got that they can't fix.
LIKE THIS:
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days - maybe
an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am
Interesting. In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".
It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
HOWEDY matty,
Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
> You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and REPORTED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS And
HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri98A2754B08620au...@rocky-dog.com
Robin Nuttall <robi...@mchsi.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> One day you may do better than your poor three week
>> benchbark. Keep at it, keep learning, and keep an open
>> mind.
> It really does depend on the dog. I've housebroken dogs in
> 1-2 weeks; Zipper took 4 months of hard slog. A lot of it
> is being organized and hyper aware of the dog at all times.
I agree. I thought that the post I was responding to was
somewhat condescending, so I did the same. I should have
stopped my reply after the first paragraph.
Still, I think that Antares should keep an open mind
towards crates. Heck, we still haven't gotten into all
their other wonderful uses.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri98A6C2785B8CBau...@rocky-dog.com...
> Janet B <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>>Given the total freedom of the house and total access to
>>me, my dogs slept all day, sometimes in their crates. Oh
>>yeah, crating them during the day is so cruel! Why, it
>>forces them to, um, do what they were doing anyway?
> And they got up and stretched, looked out the window,
> etc, and then went back to sleeping, right?
Uncrated, my crated dog may have done all those things.
Balance missing those activities vs. the resulting lack of
distruction (and potential danger) and all of the activities
we did outside of Monday to Friday 8 to 5.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Re: Question from Newbie re toilet training
From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.net>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that
> you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in
> the chest. If that's what you meant, just say it,
> instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism
> from people like me. That kind of crap has got to
> stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean you guys
> off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
AND LIKE THIS:
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <0bid32hese5r0g4sst35iutqqb2db3j...@4ax.com>,
> sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
> > Not to pick nits, but that stuff about talking to the toy
> > is - - for lack of a better word - - original, isn't it?
Yeah. The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard came up with
the idea while trainin a MENTAL PATIENT who's dog was havin
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS problems.
NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER CONditioning aka The
Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time Calming /
Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive Urination /
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic Urinary
Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive
Marking / Self Mutilation / Spraying / Defecating Syndrome
Technique works JUST LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK for LOTS
of CONditions <{); ~ ) >
> > I can't recall reading/hearing it anywhere else.
Of curse you can. You've READ IT in DOZENS of CASE
HISTORY REPORTS from The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student from ALL OVER The
WHOWEL WILD WORLD which you call STUPIDLAND
whom you call SELFISH INCONSIDERATE DIMWITS
and LIARS.
LIKE THIS:
Thurs,Jun 16 2005 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
HOWEDY malinda,
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <robin4joy-49BEBF.23045015062.....@news.west.cox.net>,
> Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [nothing of value]
"Success!" is what Robin wrote, malinda.
Robin wrote that she CURED her 12 year old dogs
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
using her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{);~ ) >
> jeebus but you're a selfish, inconsiderate dimwit.
That so? Didn't you want to know HOWE she done it, malinda?
> Plonk.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAA!!!
> --
> Melinda Shore - Software
Subject: semi OT- water dish
From: Melinda Shore
malinda wrote:
> They're heavy when full and they're one of the few
> things that Eclipse hasn't seen fit to relocate within
> the house
Well HOWE COME would she WANT to what with all the
other GOOD STUFF you provide for her to play with?
> (last week I found a lightbulb in her crate,
Like THAT for EXXXAMPLE. NHOWE THAT'S CREATIVITY.
You should encourage your dogs to do more play / learnin / trainin
activities. Dogs are like wet sponges, don't you know!
HOWEver, The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard
can't think of ANYTHING MOORE DANGERHOWES
for a doggy to PLAY with, malinda. Perhaps you should
offer her an alternate?
Try TRADING UP for sumpthin of higher value. Perhaps
you can offer to let her make her own choice of say,
ANY TWO items from your bedroom in EXXXCHANGE?
> for pete's sake -
Ahhh, yes, Pete. That's Laura's dog you was tellin
abHOWET HOWE to post through The Freakin Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Forums <{): ~ ) >
> I have no idea where she got it from).
Perhaps she got it from your bedroom, malinda?:
http://www.employees.org/~shore/trashedbedroom2.jpg
You might wanna ask janet or matty HOWE to manage
and supervise your doggys so they won't steal STUFF
from your garbage?
> I think it would be kind of an effort
> to tip one of those over.
You mean instead of just trainin them not to do it?
--------------
> Thank you!
INDEED?
> He's a very good dog. Born and raised right here on the farm.
> I work at home as a Licensed Realtor, but when I leave, he
> needs to be put up because he will get anxious, mark and
> destroy things if I am gone too long.
So you wanna lock IT inside a box so IT will destroy
the box, shit an piss an lay in it, break his teeth and
toenails tryin to ESCAPE and if you're LUCKY,
finally settle DHOWEN to some self mutilation?
> He is neutered.
Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES anXXXIHOWESNESS
and temperament behavior problems and physical DIS-EASES.
> Walked with my other three 2 miles each morning. Lives like
> a prince. Sleeps in his crate upstairs in our bedroom all night, no
> problem.
INDEED?
> TIA.
Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE And SCREAM 'NO!'
Into ITS Face For Five Seconds And Lock IT In A Box For
Ten Minutes Contemplation" dermer of UofWI Department
Of ANAL-ytic Behavior AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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> Kelly Kirsch
> www.kellykirsch.com
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350014316122&refid=store
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training
Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
I tell them they are good dogs and they
seem to follow me, onceI told them they
were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.
A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
The Same Rule Applies
To Every Aspect Of
The Relationship With Your Dog.
Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
if They Were Everyone Would Have
Obedient Dogs.
I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
"Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
Obligation To Obey Your Request.
Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
Positive Interaction.
Paul
-------------------------
All Truth Passes Through Three Stages.
First, It Is Ridiculed.
Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer-
"Thank You For Fighting The Fine Fight--
Even Tho It's A Hopeless Task, In This
System Of Things. As Long As Man Is
Ruling Man, There Will Be Animals
(And Humans!) Abused And Neglected. :-(
Your Student," Juanita.
"If You've Got Them By The Balls
Their Hearts And Minds
Will Follow,"-
-John Wayne-
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich Schiller
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{} ; ~ ) >
(the)duckster
"Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@HotMail.Com
"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
> wrote in message
news:3893be87-238f-4d33...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
writes <snipped>
Safe then to say you haven't used the product?
Incidentally, your link has expired.
(the)duckster
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
"(the)duckster" <duck...@erinet.com> wrote in message news:e9vjj.
11327$na4.2338@trnddc05...
> "Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@HotMail.Com
> "<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
>> wrote in message
> news:3893be87-238f-4d33...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> writes <snipped>
Usually when dog lovers snip the text I've posted to them to
avoid EMBARRASSMENT they likeWIZE snip the cross
posted groups to likeWIZE, avoid EMBARRASSMENT <{}: ~ ) >
> Safe then to say you haven't used the product?
Actually I don't know, the ebay link EXXXPIRED.
> Incidentally, your link has expired.
Oooops! Thank you for tellin me. I guess we're even.
Here it is again:
http://www.relinkz.com/EffectiveNonPhysicalDogTraininAIN'TLUCK777It'sSCIENCEAtItsBEAST
> (the)duckster
And just in case you didn't READ what I told you, here it is
again. You're welcome to ask for additional free heelp or
question me if you don't understand sumpthin <{}: ~ ) >
DelusionalDimen...@i-love-dogs.com
"(the)duckster" <duck...@erinet.com> wrote in message
news:xYxjj.17779$Y63.13371@trnddc03...
>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A27CAD72D1...@216.196.97.142...
>> "\(the\)duckster" <duck...@erinet.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:xbrjj.37263$UX2.8747@trnddc08:
>>
>> > Dear experienced dog folk,
Well, you've FHOWEND yourself in EXXXCELLENT company
ain't you, (the)duckster: "You're JUDGED BY the company you
keep. When you lie with PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
>> > I am interested in purchasing this crate for one of my dogs.
I TOLD YOU that lockin dogs in boxes and ignoring their
cries or sprayin aversives in their faces or jerkin an chokin
them MAKES THEM INSANE and causes life threatenin
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES a.k.a.
The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
>> > Has anyone had any experience with it? Or something similar?
You mean, maybe sumpthin LIKE THIS?:
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E154DAFFD...@216.196.97.142...
A dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.
This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!
However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extinguishing bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.
I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat," your newfHOWEND pal,
diddler <{}: ~ ) >
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LIKE THIS:
"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.
a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.
I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.
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AND LIKE THIS?:
Re: Tuck's SAR experience
"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns982D2E8...@216.196.97.142...
I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.
Ornery git
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"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98696E8...@216.196.97.142...
I've scorned your counter surfing dog all these years. I just
discovered this morning, I had one also. I was slicing Beef
tongue (remember the tongue table re: tribute to Cate's
mom?) and I left it on the counter, while I went to read email.
I suddenly saw movement in the kitchen and there was
Tuck scarfing down 7 pounds of sliced tongue. Oh my
goodness gracious, where did he put all of that?
ANYWAY... I owe you an apology.
humiliated in Ohio
diddy
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AND LIKE THIS?:
"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861...@216.196.97.142...
> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9i...@4ax.com: Janet B
> <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> whittled the following words:
> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.
> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?
I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.
A dog proof room doesn't work.
He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.
He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.
Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested
razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!
Mom really gets bent too!
nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.
As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.
She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.
Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.
Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.
I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.
Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.
Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.
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"diddy" <d...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97F28C17046...@216.196.97.142...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0500, diddy <d...@diddy.net> wrote:
my new puppy, Tuck, grabbed a raw chicken wing and
wolfed it down on sunday. He's been in the hospital daily,
admitted sometimes, and home montored others.He's been
supported supported daily by fluids, hoping he would pass
it, but he's destabilizing fast, and has just gone into surgery
to have it removed from his stomach, and his intestines have
intuscepted from being empty for so long, and they need
surgery also.
------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AND LIKE THIS?:
From: diddy <d...@whoops.I.said.WHAT?>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:51:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Disaster plans for dog owners
We left Reka outside, Mr beeegs crated, Taya in the
house.. because Reka plays when Taya doesn't want
to, and Danny came with me. I forgot Taya counter
surf'd. I had 3 sticks of summer sausage sitting on the
table that I was going to give away.
When I came home, all three sticks were gone, with
only the paper skins left that I'd wrapped them with.
Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!
I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.
diddy
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Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns99056C3...@216.196.97.142...
> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jb...@ptd.net: "MauiJNP"
> <jmh1...@ptd.net> whittled the following words:
> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jb...@ptd.net: "MauiJNP"
<jmh1...@ptd.net> whittled the following words:
> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
> any pet having any problems at this time.
I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
they treated him for arsenic poisoning.
A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
(revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.
The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
what was going on with him.
Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
Hope Cali is too.
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Re: [ot] good thoughts please
"diddy" <d...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97F28C17046...@216.196.97.142...
Robin Nuttall <robi...@mchsi.com> composed these
> thoughts and posted them news:y%cpg.56579$1i1.4784@attbi_s72:
> Paula wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0500, diddy <d...@diddy.net>
>> wrote:
.
>>> my new puppy, Tuck, grabbed a raw chicken wing and
>>> wolfed it down on sunday. He's been in the hospital
>>> daily, admitted sometimes, and home montored others.
>>> He's been supported supported daily by fluids,
>>> hoping he would pass it, but he's destabilizing fast,
>>> and has just gone into surgery to have it removed from
>>> his stomach, and his intestines have intuscepted from
>>> being empty for so long, and they need surgery also.
>
>>> He's lost more than half his body weight in the last
>>> two days. please send a positive thought for him. I
>>> know a lot of you don't like me. but he's not
>>> responsible for his owners behavior.
>
>>> Of course you have all the good thoughts we can
>> muster around here.
> Do we have a report from today yet? I read
> the one where he's a bit better....
His prognosis is really poor, even though his vital signs
are still good. he can walk to go out to potty, but he's
so painful he didn't want to.
he's miserable but drugged to the gills. He met me with
a meekly wagging tail. his face is swollen and his legs
are swollen, because he does not have the body protein
to assimilate the fluids.
When they did the surgery, his intestines were all stuck
together in one big adhesion. His intestines were even
stuck to his bladder, and they pulled them all apart, but
they wanted to glue themselves back almost immediately.
if they do that, he will die.
And this is what they were trying to do during the
surgery. I asked him if this is the case, why didn't
we just put him down?
I don't want him hurting like this, if he's not going
to survive it anyway. He said "no, beca...." and I
didn't hear the rest, the room got all green and hazy
and I had to sit down on the floor before I passed out.
So I really don't know why we are fighting to save him
if his prognosis is so poor. I told the vet to stop
talking.
He has peritonitis , no penetrations were evident from
the chicken bones, but we are assuming it was related
to the chicken wings. But he is also showing bone
anomalies similar to those dogs with a viral infection.
Viral infections can also cause abdominal adhesions.
so there were biopsies sent off for culture and testing.
He's also a low birthweight puppy, and my vet has suspected
there was a viral infection going on since birth, even
before he was born, because of lack of bone development
on the xrays.
when he looked at the prenatal xrays, he felt this litter
was in trouble. when they were low birthweight, he has
been working on that hunch, and he's been treating this
pup from the beginning as a suspect viral issue with an
immune mediated response.
his breeder calls my vet an idiot.
The massive adhesions he found also increased his suspicions
that this was not just the chicken bones but an ongoing problem.
he wanted to do the biopsy and i told him NO. (he tends to test
and test as if my dogs were lab rats) I need this dog fixed, and
regardless of the cause, the treatment is the same.
he says he needs to know and is paying for the test himself.
he says this information may be critical to his sister (who
is not exhibiting any problems btw) so he can suspect whatever
he wants, but i think he's looking for zebras, when he's
actually looking at a horse.
The lab work he is doing will confirm his hunch. it's his dime.
If he's right, Della (his sister) will also need to know.
if he's wrong, it hasn't hurt anything, and it didn't cost
me a dime. If he had a small pinhole leak from the bones,
it could also have set up the massive peritonitis.
Frankly, he ate the chicken wing, and was sick the next day.
Sometimes a horse is just a horse.
He started telling me how they handled the adhesion binding
and why he shouldn't be given up on, and why he thought he
had a chance, but I honestly didn't hear it, and asked him
to stop talking, because the fear of losing my little guy
was just so overwhelming, that I couldn't take any more.
the room was spinning, I was about to wretch and pass out.
I never heard what he had done to prevent that. He was about
to give me the good news, but I never heard it. The bad news
was so bad, I just wasn't in condition to assimilate any more.
This little guy was very similar to his Dad. They even keep
calling him Danny in the clinic, because he looks just like
him.
He's been a remarkable puppy, and shows endless talent.
We tried out for Ohio Task force one a couple weeks ago, and
he was the youngest one there by eight months! And he did the
best job of anyone. I was soooooo proud of him. I was very
proud of his performance. he's been a delight to train with
no apparent fears, tons of courage, biddability, and desire
to please.
I decided not to follow that route because orientation tapes
renewed old memories that reminded me even if I could (which
I had doubts) do the work, I was not willing to put my dog at
risk to the hazards that Task force One dogs are subject to.
He takes his tasks willingly and seriously .. he's a lot like
his dad. He's a very talented tracking dog, a wonderful gentleman,
consummate clown, noble companion, loyal friend, and helpful
assistant.
It's hard to believe that you can get so attached so fast.
He feels to everyone who meets him as a continuum of
his father, with the stability of his mother.
He runs out to the road, gets the newspaper and brings it
in as one of his favorite tasks. He looks for jobs he can
do, and picks up all the dog pans after eating, and hands
them to me, just like his dad did. He's constantly on the
prowl looking for something he can do where he can help.
He fills all the places that his dad used to be. No he
won't replace his dad, but he's filled the huge gaping
chasm that his dad left, and eased the hurt, and created
joy.
He also has his joyful moments. He likes to ride in the
car, and adjusts the air vents to blow in his face. He
hasn't learned to turn the cold control knobs yet, or he
would turn the car into a mobile igloo. He has learned
to operate door knobs, and nothing is out of his reach
unless crated.
Leaving the house for a few minutes and coming in to his
surprises such as finding bras dangling from ceiling fans,
and his projects strewn from one end of the house to the
other, or finding him all wrapped up in venetian blinds
as he tried to follow my progress outside, reminds me he
is NOT his dad, and is his ownunique personality.
Although I might look at his antics with discernment,
afterwards, it's good for a chuckle.
He's a puppy after all, and needs to be contained
when he's not being supervised.
===========
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
LIKE THIS:
diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
From: diddy <d...@scared.to.death.with.our.political.situation>
Subject: Separation Anxiety
All this talk of SA. Thios goes way off topic, but it's
SA to the extreme.. but goes both ways. I know Danny has
Separation anxiety. He doesn't do physical damage, he
internalizes it.
Which I wish he wouldn't.
The vets all try to "fix" it and consider it a real problem.
I don't see it that way. I feel physically ill without him.
So it's mutual. I have made sure Reka does not EVER get that
attached. I do not want "our" mutual separation anxiety fixed.
I just take Danny me everywhere, and am honored by his company.
I resent the vets that they consider this a "problem". In fact,
I stole him out of a specialists care that thought the SA should
be fixed right then and there. They kept me out in the waiting
room for five days and nights, while my dog was on the other
side of the door.
He escaped, knowing I would be there for him. He opened, what
they considered inescapable cages, under 24 hour observation.
It takes 2 hands to operate the latch, and apparently he used
a paw and a tongue to break free dragging his intubations and
iv's with him as he burst into the waiting room to be with me.
I burst into tears and was so happy to see him.
The doctors couldn't throw me out of there, because it was
a 24 hour clinic. But they decided his SA was inconducive
to his health. They were going to fix it right then and there.
They ordered that I was NOT to see my dog.
I was deeply resentful of this, and the next time Danny
escaped (and he did) I grabbed him and ran from the clinic.
I called my vet on the 2 hour trip home, and told him I was
on my way home with my dog, and he needed supportive care.
My vet allowed me to stay with my dog.
He had excellent care. Top Notch. But I don't understand why
vets seem to think THEY own the dog while in their care. I
was paying for this.
I don't and never understood how a vet seemed to think they
have the right to keep you from your pet. I would never take
my dog back there. Apparently since he had been passed from
specialist to specialist, this was the only place that could
perform the surgery he needed. But they were totally insensitive
to the emotional needs of both dog and client.
-----------------------
I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.
He trashed my horse stall.
He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.
Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.
Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what
it took, before he would stop.
Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.
I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.
Let's just say it was "ugly"
------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> > At $250 it's a little pricey
Yeah, but NOT compared to the TENS of THOWESANDS
of dollars your newfHOWEND pals like diddler have spent
havin their dogs intestines opened up an dangerHOWES
GARBAGE STUFF removed OR DYIN like several other
of your newfHOWEND fellHOWE dog lover's dogs have done.
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:00 pm
Subject: And then there were......
I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
very torb'ed up beagle.
We estimate the beagle to be about 14.
This morning she had severe abdominal distress. Pacing,
whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.
My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it, we
would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.
She may be impacted, and it might pass.
I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
have to do something about the pain while we
wait to see if the issue resolves or not.
So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
to move things along. We just treated everything. So if
there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
will write that "And then there were two" post.
to be continued.....
Monday, November 12, 2007 7:39 AM
Beagle Report
"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E64DEAB16...@216.196.97.142...
Thank you everyone for your well wishes. Cappy woke
up this morning, bright, hungry and seems entirely
normal. Whatever it was, seems to have passed.
----------------------
Well, NOT REALLY after all...
>>> Thanks for asking. Yesterday was touch and go.
Yeah? As opposed to "bright, hungry and
seems entirely normal" on Monday mornin?:
Monday, November 12, 2007 7:39 AM
Beagle Report
>>> She went to the vet Sunday/Monday/Tuesday for ramped
>>> up Torbugesic. As long as she was doped, things went
>>> pretty well. When it wore off, things went down from
>>> there.
What happened? Did she eat more POOP?
>> What a nightmare. In fact it brought back the panic
>> I went through with Champ when he got blocked after
>> eating cat litter years ago.
Naaaah?
Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE your other dogs Tuck,
Reka and Danny swallowed CRAP like your veterinarians
OFFICE KITTY, an nearly DIED?
"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
News:Xns993C52B...@216.196.97.142...
My dogs aren't into beer that much.
But they sure love Horse poop!
----------------
BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
>> > to turn into just another horizontal surface.
Perhaps you'll mount it high up on another horizontal
surface so's your dog don't steal an swallHOWE STUFF
off of it?
>> > He's destroyed the standard issue crate
Your dog is havin PAINICK ANXXXIHOWESNESS ATTACKS.
DOGS DIE FROM THAT <{}: ~ ( >
>> > so I need to switch to the heavy artillery.
You need to CURE your dog's DEATHLY
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS <{}: ~ ( >
>> > I'm talking to my vet tomorrow about doggie downers as well,
That's ABSURD.
>> > though I'm not a big fan of the idea.
Seems you're more a FAN of that than TRAININ your dog
not to be AFRAID when you ain't standin right there ready
to PUNISH IT for stealin an destroyin STUFF <{}: ~ ( >
>> > Perhaps some insight on those who have used them?
I gave you a half dozen or so POSTED CASE HISTORIES
of DECENT PEOPLE who'd CURED their dog's destructive
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE you and your newfHOWEND pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog abusin punk thug coward
active accute chronic life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE PALS have done <{}: ~ ( >
And you IGNORED IT on accHOWENTA you PREFERRED THIS:
diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:
"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.
Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.
A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.
You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors
in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijq...@4ax.com:
Paula <mmmtobler...@earthlink.ent> whittled the following
words:
> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.
For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.
There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's
"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.
Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.
In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.
TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.
--------------------
>> > Thank you!
No, THANK YOU, (the)duckster~!
>> > He's a very good dog. Born and raised right here on the farm.
Does he MURDER innocent defenseless kats like HOWE
your other dog done JUST LIKE HOWE your newfHOWEND
pal diddler PREFERS?:
LIKE THIS?:
From: "\(the\)duckster" <ducks...@erinet.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:28:09 GMT
Subject: Re: DogsInDanger.com
My husky-chow mix (may he rest in peace) cleared the woods
of feral cats faster than you could catch them in a kindness trap.
He'd pick them up by the scruff and slam them to the ground.
It was really gruesome to watch.
Fortunately, it typically happened in the woods, but there
were a few times when he caught them around the bird feeder.
Racoons were another favorite.
(the)duckster
-----------------
AND LIKE THIS?:
From: diddy
(d...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST
Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet ownership.
I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.
I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.
To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny
will not look at a cat. When confronted with one,
Danny wees himself and cowers hiding behind me
for help.
I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in
harming the cat.
-----------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AND LIKE THIS?:
From: diddy (d...@nospam.diddy.net) Subject: Re:
cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse? Date:
2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST
Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It
leaped, and tangled itself, and most certainly
strangulated it's intestines. It had the snare
pulled tight down to the diameter of a dime (just
large enough to encircle the spine) around the waist
area. This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to
extricate this cat was exceedingly difficult, not to
mention dangerous. Because I feared damage to the
intestines and death of the gut, I imagined
this cat was not likely to survive.
It would have been much simpler to dispatch the
unfortunate cat and take out the dead body. Instead,
this cat wore a collar. it deserved a chance, and
the owner deserved closure. (no id on the collar) .
It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be
taken to the vet for examination. I will probably
never know if this particular cat survives the
experience or not.
People in the area were aware that trapping was
being done and apparently still let their cats run
free, both endangered by the traps and by the
coyotes being targeted that are causing a problem
with their cat population.
Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not
have tried to release this hostile cat. Releasing it
may not have been a kindness, but then... cats
weren't supposed to be attracted to this type of
trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this
situation. If you like your pet, you keep them home.
--------------------------------
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy <d...@diddy.net>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Cate wrote:
> "Jeff Harper" <dummyaddr...@doplay.com> wrote in message
> news:aqgn8c$9ss69$1...@ID-102001.news.dfncis.de...
> > | My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
> > | trash up and down our road for years making an
> > | unbelievable mess. When we finally killed the
> > | culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control
> > | had never been able in years to catch this critter.
> > | (we think it was feral it was certainly unkempt
> > | enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
> > | MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened
> > | it off enough to keep it from NOT tearing up the
> > | road the next trash day)
> > Y'all take killing dogs pretty lightly. I'd have tolerated
> > the trash problem before I would have killed the dog.
> No kidding.
> > But putting up with it wouldn't have been necessary.
> > The trash could have been better secured and the
> > problem would have been resolved.
> Yep. Where's the condemnation of the people not
> securing their trash. Especially since, IIRC, this is
> the country we're talking about.
>
> Cate
They were in the standard Rumpke plastic
waste containers they MUST be in.
If you are upset I advise you to keep your dogs at home.
As i repeated before, the time Danny and Taya got loose,
for all the dangers they faced out there, cars, disease,
coyotes, etc, the most immediate danger they were in,
was being shot.
This is why I immediately started canvassing the area
with full color door to door handouts emblazoned with
REWARD. DO NOT SHOOT these dogs across the top.
I knew every second they were loose, they were in grave
danger of being shot. At that time, Our dog pound was
on 20/20 for being one of the worst in the country (it's
not now, it's a modern model facility) i WANTED my
dogs there.
It meant they weren't out there being shot.
They would throw dogs in pens of 10-20 dogs, In spite
of the dirt and filth, if they got there, I had a chance
of recovery.
Roaming in this area is a very bad thing,
and people WILL shoot dogs.
Happens all the time.
If you like your dog, you keep it home.
A persons personal animals are more valueable to
them than your animal you don't think enough of
to keep at home.
--------------
>> > I work at home as a Licensed Realtor, but when I leave,
>> > he needs to be put up because he will get anxious, mark
>> > and destroy things if I am gone too long.
Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company~!
Here's your newfHOWEND pal diddler
TRAININ her neighbor's dog to
stay HOWETA her garbage:
"My Husband Shot A Dog That Had Been Tearing
Up Trash Up And Down Our Road For Years Making
An Unbelievable Mess. When We Finally Killed The
Culprit, The Whole Road Cheered," diddler.
From: diddy (d...@diddy.net)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Date: 2002-11-08 07:00:27 PST
I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way
I would react. There would be none left standing
to deal with the threat just in case.
If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.
Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If
someone is feeding his dog outside, his own
dog might not mean THAT much to him.
If he was feeding his dog outside though, many
dogs are food aggressive, and that could most
certainly spark a dog aggression thing.
(and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what
was it doing in his yard?)
I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my
horses and called him to help me find it. I would
do the same for threatening my dog.
My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
trash up and down our road for years making an
unbelievable mess.
When we finally killed the culprit, the whole road
cheered. Animal control had never been able in
years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....
and it had been shot at by MANY of the neighbors,
but it never frightened it off enough to keep it from
NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)
----------------
>> > He is neutered.
That's curiHOWES. Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES life
long, life threatening, anXXXIHOWESNESS, temperament
and heelth problems <{}: ~ ( >
>> > Walked with my other three 2 miles each morning.
Ahhh, you must be a cesar millan 'Z Dog Wheeesperer' fan~!
>> > Lives like a prince.
Perhaps you're HUMANIZING him too much?
>> > Sleeps in his crate upstairs in our bedroom all night, no problem.
Of curse!: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer," Al Capone.
>> > TIA.
Destructive separation anXXXIHOWESNESS is CAUSED
BY over CON-TROLL, punishment, lockin dogs in boxes,
traditional OBEDIENCE TRAININ and incurable mental
illness <{}: ~ ( >
>> > Kelly Kirsch
>> > www.kellykirsch.com
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350014316122&refid=store
>> It sounds like a major issue with separation anxiety.
Yeah. LUCKY THING your newfHOWEND pal diddler
can relate to this problem seein as she's had it with EVERY
dog she's ever owned <{}: ~ ( >
> Yes, I would agree.
Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company!
> The odd thing is that my four are seldom left home alone.
Well then, you seldom have to WORRY abHOWET it~!
PROBLEM SOLVED, eh???
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> In nice weather, they bask outside on several acres of land,
> though lately they've been enjoying a steam bath lying on the
> pool cover.
Oh? You mean, LIKE THIS?:
Newsgroups: alt.adoption
From: "\(the\)duckster" <ducks...@erinet.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:58:09 GMT
Subject: An old friend journeys to the Rainbow Bridge
Dear alt a. friends,
Many of you are dog lovers and over the years we
have shared the joys and sorrows of our furkids.
Today it is with great sadness that I tell you that our beloved
Jessica (at almost 20 - years!), slipped into the pool last week
unnoticed and drowned.
My daughter and I weren't home (she was at her riding lesson)
and when we came home my husband was searching the yard
for her frantically trying to remember if he let her out the front
door or the back.
With four other dogs, things can get chaotic at times.
Funny, I kept pulling off the solar cover looking for her, but
never dreamed that she was still floating under it. My neighbor
found her and it was I who went in and fished her out.
It was sickening.
After I realized she was gone, I immediately called my good
friend Shannon W. who runs the Pines pet cemetary and
crematorium. and Even though it was 9:30 by the time I got
down there, she met me at the door, her calming spirit welcoming.
That and her five very smelly labs who had just come back
in from the pond themselves. Shannon cremated my other
two and never a purer soul exists doing her good work.
I am picking her up today and the neighbor who found her
will make me a box for her ashes.
We are devastated, my husband full of guilt even
though it was an accident. She really got around
quite well and loved being outside walking up and
down the yard with the others.
She now joins Teddy and Hadji at the foot of the bridge.
They were the original "three pack". The ones who, like kids,
I thought you could just "add another". So many, many years
ago that was. Another lifetime, really.
Free of age, the pain of arthritis, and blindness. I see her
leaping over the meadow in hot pursuit of the frisbees she
loved.
Rest in peace, my excellent friend. Wait for me and tell the
others I will be coming someday.
(the)duckster
---------------------
> Even stranger, he sleeps gladly and peacefully in the
> crate upstairs in our room. Runs up every night to get
> his peanut butter bone.
Dogs HIDE from their ABUSERS in their crates
while their FEARS intensify in their heads.
> But leaving him in the downstairs one was a different story.
> And I only do it when I can't put them outside - as in bad
> or cold weather.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> But I will google your suggestion and see if there
> isn't something else that can be done.
You mean sumpthin OTHER THAN TRAININ THEM?
> I don't have a problem with a crate.
Of curse not. Your dog is GOIN INSANE when you
lock IT in a box on accHOWENTA you don't know
HOWE to pupperly handle raise an train IT <{}: ~ ( >
> I just wanted to buy something he couldn't destoy,
> possibly impaling himself.
Perhaps you should take a tour of the local institute
for the criminally insane an see HOWE they restrain
their patients?
> Thank you for writing.
Naaaaah, THANK YOU for writing. Oh, bye the bye,
your friend tara.green used to post her advice here quite
a bit. Be SHORE to say HOWEDY to her and ask her
to teach you her LEAVE IT command <{}: ~ ) >
> (the)duckster
>> google "separation anxiety" + dog and see if something fits
>> in your lifestyle. In the meantime, I'd get him a very sturdy
>> outdoor kennel. Not a flimsy one, then work on the sep-anx
>> issues before trying an in the house crate again
LIKE THIS:
From: diddy <d...@nospam.diddy.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:30:27 -0500
Local: Wed, Mar 6 2002 8:30 am
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"
(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No foot EVER
touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once, because the
test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he reached the road,
a car just happened to go by. He refused to cross the road, and
when I took him by the collar and nudged him, I was Disqualified
for aiding the dog. Danny simply will NOT cross a road.. when he
was intact, not EVEN for a bitch in season.
Now you have a dog that...
WHOOOOPS!
Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.
Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?
Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?
Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
ownership in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?
Stay tuned, fans...
From: Kathy Levee (kle...@zoo.uvm.edu)
> Subject: Off Topic --MISSING DOGS
> Date: 1999/04/14
>
> I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with
> Disney. Parks, but since those of us on this
> newsgroup are from all over the country, I thought
> you would understand this one time intrusion. We
> are desperate to find these dogs....Please, if you
> have any information, contact the e-mail address
> at the bottom of the note. Thank you for your
> understanding.........
>
> Karyl Parks' (aka diddler) dog Danny - Ch. Alpha's
> Decorum (I think that is his correct registered name)
> is missing . For those that have never met Danny -
> he is very special. Both trained for Search and
> Rescue
You'd think her SAR dog could find his own way
back to his own HOWES, provided they ain't gotta
CROSS A ROAD gettin back???
> as well as service dog trained, CDX, etc.
But IT can't find ITS way back to his own HOWES?
> He does all the things that service dogs do
Like run HOWET on his people and not return?
> from opening doors, turning on lights, getting
> clothes and shoes.
You FORGOT MURDERIN the vet's office kitty kat
and escaping and destructively chewing a rug and
gettin locked in a box in an HOWEtbuilding to muffle
his CRYING till he was SHITTIN BLOOD and went in
for intestinal obstruction.
> He is a marvel.
Naaah. You want a MARVEL? **MARVEL** at
that STUPID KAT that PAINICKED when diddler
snared IT in her leg hold STRANGLE / CHOKE
choke trap. She'd have BLUDGEONED IT had IT
not been wearin a collar. Perhaps she was lookin
for a REWARD, bein a SUBSISTANCE hunter
and all.
You call tying the dog to a wall training, diddler,
like HOWE you trained your fence to train your dog?
diddy wrote:
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one, we
> knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
> the fence.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
> Wood ties under gates. A chicken wire apron extending
> out into the yard 12 inches. (hog ringed to the upright
> fencing). We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
> and ground conforming. grass grows right over it, making
> it invisible and easy to mow over. It's tacked down by tent
> stakes every 10 inches. (this is our most considerable
> investment)
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
> rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot. We placed tile
> blocks over the top, because the tent stakes stick up,
> and sometimes get hit by the lawnmower.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
> MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
> fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
> We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke down
> sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence
> is in order, but the system works MOST of the time.
"I admit our system fails occasionally"
> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
> at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
> high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
> just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
> to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
> but both needed occassional maintenence.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> What we did.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
> when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
> and erase any identifiable fenceline.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
> foot trolly line that crosses the yard.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
> always worked when immediate repairs or extra
> security is desired.
>
> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
> to the trolly line, whether the containment system
> is currently working or not.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17
> last resort system gets used for the beagle far
> more than I ever expected. It still allows reasonable
> exercise range of area and mobility. The elkhounds
> and the beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest
> piece of mind security ever.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> A trolly tether system is the best for temporary
> containment while discovering where the leak
> is. In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system
"I admit our system fails occassionally"
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Ol' Howe's link seems inoperable to me, too. Will you please check it,
Mr. Howe? I'd like to download your manual, on the grounds that truth
is where I find it...
I had a Newf puppy, for a brief and shining time, back in 1981, when
crating for housebreaking wasn't even thought of yet (or at least I
hadn't heard of it). I thought I'd break her to paper first, and the
obvious solution seemed to be to cover the mudroom floor with several
layers of newspaper, and close her in there whenever I left home (I
was a happily unemployed, married homemaker, with 3 small kids, who
therefore rarely DID leave) or at night. The rest of the time, I
watched her a lot for signs that she needed to go out, and I took her
outside right after any nap, right before I confined her at night, and
first thing in the morning (barefoot in my flannel nightgown). She was
completely housebroken in THREE DAYS. Then we had to move next to my
inlaws near Great Falls MT (armpit of the West), they were no good
with or to dogs, so I found her a new home.
I think that so many of us are having problems with our dogs and
children because we AREN'T there for them,and they feel abandoned and
unhappy. I may well be wrong.
Hope everyone has a SWELL weekend.
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wrote:
> Ol' Howe's link seems inoperable to me, too. Will you please
> check it, Mr. Howe? I'd like to download your manual, on the
> grounds that truth is where I find it...
Oooops! Thank you for tellin me.
Here's the corrected link:
http://www.relinkz.com/EffectiveNonPhysicalDogTraininAIN'TLUCK777It'sSCIENCEAtItsBEAST
> I had a Newf puppy, for a brief and shining time, back in 1981,
> when crating for housebreaking wasn't even thought of yet (or at
> least I hadn't heard of it).
That's correct. Lockin dogs in boxes to "train" them
is a recent activity. In fact, I got my first crate, a
HUGE Great Dane size stainless steel with aluminum
tray and washable waterproof foam pad, as a GIFT
which I severely protested against, thinkin I'd NEVER
use it, back in '84.
AND, I NEVER WOULD HAVE USED IT, was it
not for a beautiful young bonnie lass named Bonnie,
curiHOWESLY enough, who was TERRIFIED of
my huge, aggressive Great Dane <{}: ~ ) >
So, he slept in the crate while she visited for a couple
of weekends till they became good friends and that's
the only use I'd FHOWEND for it.
> I thought I'd break her to paper first,
The EXXXPERTS here are AFRAID of paper trainin on
accHOWENTA they don't know HOWE to TRAINsition
their dogs from papers indoors to the great HOWEtside.
> and the obvious solution seemed to be to cover the mudroom
> floor with several layers of newspaper, and close her in there
> whenever I left home
Oh, that's like makin a bigger crate. The WIZE way to
paper / HOWEstrain a puppy is to put several layers of
paper on top of a 2' x 3' tray in a CONvienient corner
and direct the puppy to use it. Many pups are raised on
newspapers from birth and will instinctively / reflexively
relieve themself by just smellin the newsprint.
> (I was a happily unemployed, married homemaker, with
> 3 small kids, who therefore rarely DID leave) or at night.
> The rest of the time, I watched her a lot for signs that she
> needed to go out, and I took her outside right after any nap,
> right before I confined her at night, and first thing in the
> morning (barefoot in my flannel nightgown). She was
> completely housebroken in THREE DAYS.
You mean, so long as you CONfined her at night and
when you couldn't watch her to correct any "mistakes".
Of curse dogs HOWEsbreak NEARLY INSTANTLY.
IN FACT, pups HOWEsbreak themselves INSTINCTIVELY
at three to four weeks of age and by six or eight weeks can
CONtrain themselves all night long.
> Then we had to move next to my inlaws near Great Falls
> MT (armpit of the West), they were no good with or to
> dogs, so I found her a new home.
Yeah. Seems I remember you sayin your EX DH didn't LIKE dogs.
> I think that so many of us are having problems with our
> dogs and children because we AREN'T there for them,
> and they feel abandoned and unhappy.
Ahhh, that's HOWE it may seem, HOWEver, that's an ILLUSION.
It AIN'T the amHOWENT of time we spend with HOWER dogs an
kids, it's the QUALITY of time we spend with them:
Some words from Dr. Fetko:
"In dog training, Jerk is a noun, not a verb."
We're repeatedly told that dog training requires jerking the dog's
chain choke - or even pinch - collar and to lift and shake them by
the scruff of their necks and pin them on their backs. I've trained
dogs (and many other species) all over the world for decades and
was taught to use those methods nearly 40 years ago. (That's how
up-to-date they are!) But those methods are NOT necessary, nor as
effective or quick as gentler methods. I haven't jerked a collar in
20 years! All good training is based upon trust and respect; how
does a social mammal trust or respect someone who jerks, hangs or
pins it?"
Dr. Fetko's Philosophy:
http://www.drdog.com/
Dogs are like wet cement - whatever touches them makes a lasting
impression. So please make every touch loving.
The following quotes are from Dr. Dennis Fetko, noted veterinary
behaviorist:
ABUSE
While testifying at a California State Senate Hearing, I was asked
to define abuse. One I offered: Unnecessary physical or psychological
force in excess of what is required to achieve the goal. This, and
others
I stated, were accepted by the entire Hearing panel.
I have disabled clients and I've known severe physical compromise.
If one can train dogs successfully without jerking collars, pinning,
hanging or scruffing, then doing so is, by definition, abuse. Why
pay someone to abuse your dog? Besides, must you really pay for
that level of input? Like you'd never have thought of that on your
own!
When 88% of the adult dogs I'm paid to train have already been
professionally trained, something's wrong. You pay good money for
professional advice; get it."
> I may well be wrong.
Well, not entirely, GOLLEEE. There's some small idiosyncracies
and errors in thinkin pupagated by EXXXPERT dog an child
behavior specialists who GO INSANE when they see the truth:
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
AND LIKE THIS:
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not
punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
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"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with
the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its
pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve
as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside
rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play," -- Konrad Lorenz
"Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY
through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than
by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,)."
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
"Freedom And The Control Of Men"
By B.F. Skinner
"Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-term
behavioral change, and creatures will find other ways
of getting what it wants. In "Freedom and the control
of men" American Scholar, Winter 1955-56, 25, 47-65.
1956 B. F. Skinner states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both domestic
and foreign relations. And apparently for good reasons.
Nature if not God has created man in such
a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the support
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
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In the followin scientific research, you may substitute
pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
and add PUNISHMENT or SCOLDING:
Psychological Effects
At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?
"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect of
shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.
One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.
It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.
They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.
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"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently
after preliminary contact with parents that NO
treatment of children was required, and almost
ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period
for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims
of operant programers."
----------------------
> Hope everyone has a SWELL weekend.
LikeWIZE. HOWEver, it's likely to be an indoors weekend
due to inclement weather througHOWET most of the north
east and of curse, lots of dogs an kids will likely be goin
INSANE withHOWET their EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCISE.
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >
Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
support or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
with what he has just done, it has to do with your
relationship with him.
"Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
You praise and admire him.
Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.
Why does paradoxical reward work?
The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
"Good Dog" you love and praise him. THE DOG KNOWS
YOU LOVE HIM.
The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.
The dog knows that it is stupid to
defecate where he eats or sleeps.
Don't you?
If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
Love the dog.
Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
on the floor.
Fondly, Dr. Von
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology
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> In good weather, I let him go outside when I need to vacuum.
ANY behavior that's IGNORED REPRESSED or AVOIDED
will ONLY GET WORSE or CHANGE to other, often worse,
seemingly non related behaviors as anXXXIHOWESNESS relief
mechanisms, TRAINsfer behaviors, or obsessive compulsive
disorders <{}: ~ ( >
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
As A FERRET Is A FERRET;
As A MONKEY Is A MONKEY:
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
> When the weather's bad (as it has been today), I'm reluctant
> to do that. Putting him in his crate when I vacuum only keeps
> him confined; it does nothing to curb his anxiety.
WRONG AGAIN. Lockin dogs in boxes INCREASES
anXXXIHOWESNESS and REINFORCES phobias.
Repressing, avoiding, ignoring and rewarding behaviors
reinforces them. Preventing correcting and "managing" so
called self rewarding behaviors VARIABLY REINFORCES
them when 'the kat wasn't watchin the grain' and the dog
accidently got the steak off the table or the garbage bin or
got on the bed or peed on the floor or chewed the remote or
whatever.
All behavior problems are the same same same
same, they're just wearin different clothes.
All behavior problems and most DIS-EASES are
caused by STRESS from mishandling. Scolding
dogs even by gently telling them NO or offering
and witholding bribes as in clicker / treat method
can stress dogs enough to cause seriHOWES
temperament behavior and health problems as
MOST of HOWER fellHOWE dog lover's dogs
right here, are sufferin.
Like matty's dogs Rocky and Friday, and professor SCRUFF
SHAKE'S dog Maxie The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator and his chronic
undiagnosable urinary tract / bladder / irritable BHOWEL
DIS-EASES, and racetrack silly's multiple seizure ridden
dogs, to name just a FEW.
> He just has to hear or see the vacuum to whip himself into a frenzy.
You can EXXXTINGUISH that NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by NON PHYSCIALLY PRAISING him.
LIKE THIS:
From:
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007
Subject: Re: Duplicity In Training, Confuses Dogs
HOWEDY Lola,
"Lola MacLean" lmmacl...@removewhiskers.adelphia.net
wrote in message
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> (I originally sent this to Mirelle by error. I intended to
> post to the group:)
> | Praise while a dog is doing UNWANTED behavior,
> | is a recipe for DISTRUST in the dog.
> **************************
>
> Mirelle,
> Perhaps I interpreted the manual incorrectly, but I distract
> my dog with a quick shake of a soda can filled with coins
> (or, just an "Uh-Oh" from me) when he's doing something
> unacceptable--and only then do I praise him.
INDEED. You HAVE misinterperted the manual. Perhaps
you should RE READ it and STUDY it more carefully using
a text to speech reader as instructed <{}: ~ ( >
> (He stops immediately with the distraction and looks to
> me for direction and praise. He certainly seems to trust
> me, and the softly spoken "Good Dog"seems magical
> whenever it's used.)
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
Rocky wrote:
> Lucy afar said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> >> Well hey. Get back to us when you have a dog that isn't
> >> perfect, mmkay?
>
> > I already HAD such a puppy: he used to bite, he used to
> > annoy my older dog, he used to make holes in blankets and
> > dig like mad right in the middle of the sofa. He managed to
> > chew to pieces a USB cable from the digital camera, a
> > cellular phone and several history books. Thanks to him I
> > even had the opportunity to look at the inside of a
> > computer diskette. He had some other ideas of "home
> > improvement" that I couldn't agree with - like moving the
> > content of the garbage bin on the living-room carpet.
> In other words, he was acting like a puppy, albeit a poorly
> supervised puppy.
Then there must be lots of such puppies among the dogs of the
posters in this group, and they seem to be staying puppies till the
end of their days - despite all your expert training.
> > It's the same puppy that is now my perfect dog [...]
>
> In other words, your puppy grew up.
Within a few minutes?
Outstanding growing up process this must have been, to occur after
repeating just a few times the dreaded praise for bad behavior!
Lucy
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> I'm an aging retired nurse and not an experienced dog trainer,
> but my9-month old Poodle/Terrior? mix has changed from an
> insufferable little monster to a sweet little companion that does
> his level best to please me.
> This happened virtually overnight when I relaxed and quit
> trying so hard to be pack leader and "control" him to just
> giving him (frequently un-earned) affection--and praised
> him when he was good.
Naaaah? That SCARES these CON-TROLL freaks
TO DEATH, don't, you know?!?!
> He stopped running about the house in a frenzy, chewing
> on his paws and tail (and on me) or lunging at me like he
> regarded me as another puppy. (He treated my guests that way too.)
Naaaah? Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ in The Manual??
> I was getting desperate and wondered if I could even
> keep him when I went to the Puppy Wizard site and
> finally located the manual download. (I'd adopted
> him from the local animal shelter four months previously
> and he was getting worse by the day.)
Oh well then, you musta just followed the PLAGIARIZED
parts, the parts that ALL the EXXXPERTS have known
FOR YEARS!
> I'd have to agree that this fellow's posts are downright offensive
Yeah, it's a NASTY world we live in, AIN'T IT, Lola?
> (let alone a chore to decipher) and his Web Site a real turn-off,
Yeah, so I've been told. Seems my picture likeWIZE SCARES
THEM TO DEATH... HOWEver, THAT'S HOWE it was INTENDED.
> but some of his training philosophy sure worked for us!
Naaaah? Oh, you mean it WORKS just like HOWE it works
for ALL dogs and ALL handlers ALL OVER the WHOWEL
WILD WORLD, Lola?
> (I've only read part of his manual,
Well SHAME ON YOU, Lola. THAT AIN'T
no way to earn my appreciation <{}: ~ ( >
> so can't comment on all of it.)
Well then, you know what to do! Better get back to work
STUDYING the text an applying it to your dog and family.
> Now I have a sweet little mutt that curls up at my feet
> or sits close to me--and frequently looks up at me to
> make sure he's doing the right thing. (I always reassure
> him that he is.) I'm just a "people" now, and he's a dog
> and seems to like it that way. He's in much better control
> of himself and happily tries to do whatever pleases me.
INDEED? Oh, you mean you simply DONE EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE these
pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murdin punk thug
coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
MENTAL CASES PREFER and got your own 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS?
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?
NO, NOT "SHAAAZZZAAAMM?"
THAT WAS PREDICTABLE <{}: ~ ) >
> Once I stopped viewing him as a challenge we both relaxed,
> and I think our body language indicates a pretty laid-back
> pair with an affectionate bond.
Oh, you mean you used allelomimetic behavior and
the opposition reflex to achive your SUCCESS??
> I have no clue whether he regards me as pack leader,
> mother figure, or just a good friend--but he seems to
> look up to me and we have a much better relationship.
Naaaah?
> Happy Pet Owner
Well, you can be SHORE that you'll be KILLFILED here!!
Oh, and THANK YOU for being at least
a partially dilligent Student <{}: ~ ) >
SEE?
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
------------------
INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.
Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.
I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.
After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.
My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.
Hot rats! The device worked,
Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.
A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!
So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.
Merlin walked into my office.
Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.
It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???
I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.
Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.
In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.
This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!
Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.
Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.
Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.
Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.
So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS.
Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who
is the animal?).
The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight
species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been
conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely
subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises,
and whales."
Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.
Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.
--------------------
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
----------------------------------
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"Things do not change; we change." - Henry David Thoreau
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
On Jan 18, 12:31 pm, "JP" <vze2w...@verizon.net> wrote:
Welcome to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training
Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory.
I'm Jerry Howe,The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard, Director Of Trainin an Research <{}: ~ ) >
Here's my website:
http://www.relinkz.com/EffectiveNonPhysicalDogTraininAIN'TLUCK777It'sSCIENCEAtItsBEAST
There you will find ALL the FREE information you need
to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family.
Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}: ~ ) >
> Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
On accHOWENTA the dog is ONLY quiet while his
ABUSER is standin right there ready to HURT and
INTIMIDATE IT some more for cryin an tryin to chew
his way HOWETA the box<{}: ~ ( >
> He seems very secure there from your description.
Right. UNTIL she turns her back on IT <{}: ~ ( >
> JP
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:44:27 -0400
Subject: : Barrier Frustration Syndrome =
If The Crate Is The Dog's Den, That Means
YOUR HOUSE Is HIS TOILET.
Hello Melissa,
Are you wasting your daddy's money going to college? I'll bet you
are, either that, or you've got professors like lying doc dermer who
recommends shocking and koehler training, and professora gingold
who swears chin cuff don't mean hit the dog "with that ever ready
right hand," to quote lying frosty dahl.
"Melissa" <mmcod...@ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:3A770D28...@ucalgary.ca...
> Sorry to start off like this, but it sounds as if you are
> using the crate to contain the dog all the time, when
> what you need to do is use it only for SHORT periods.
Oh. Is that so? HOWE LONG is SHORT?
Do you understand what barrier frustration means? That's
what makes the dog go nuts when you put them in the
crate. That frustration does its damage in MINUTES. Just
ten minutes of that kind of whining and escape effort goes
right to the dogs hyperactivity button and presses it.
> The dog should not be in the crate all day (exceptions
> apply),
Yeah. The exception is, he shouldn't be in the crate at all
until he's trained and calm enough that the crate isn't going
to drive him nuts.
> especially if you are home.
Unless the dog isn't objecting to the crate, then you could
leave the dog in the crate while you're home. I don't approve
of using crates to control behavior problems.
> Let him run around the house with you, play with him
So you can train him.
> and when he is tired,
Let him crash out for a while and be ready to start training
him when he wakes up. Shouldn't take more than a couple
of days to get the dog very well behaved.
> then put him in the crate.
So he'll get strung out again??? Uh, uh. That's why you and
your pals crate dogs and have house training problems for
two years.
> Also, don't let him out of the crate until he stops
> barking (even if for 2 seconds).
Yeah? HOWE LONG are you going to allow the dog to go
manic before giving in? Some dogs won't let up even for two
seconds. Have you ever seen a dog who really objected to the crate?
> If he barks and you let him out (especially if you get
> fed up with the barking and let him out)
You'd be able to start getting him calmed down so he
doesn't chew a hole in his side or eat your sofa.
> what he is learning is that barking makes you let him out.
You can't allow the dog to protest the crate without causing
other behavior problems.
> He needs to learn that quiet means get let out.
No. He needs to be trained and confident, and then crating
him won't be traumatic. It should take a couple of days.
> Some dogs never learn to be quiet in their
> crates, if the door is closed.
That's because the dog is not well adjusted. THAT'S a
training problem. That's what I do for a living.
> Perhaps you should bring the crate into your room,
> close the bedroom door, but leave the crate door open.
Or, you could build a tunnel system so the dog could be
shuttled through a vacuum system and deposited in the back yard,
and then sucked back up and popped into the kitchen for a drink and
some munchies and then swooshed back into the crate till the timer
goes off again.
> Let him use it as a bed, instead of making it a jail for him.
So when do they get to use it as a jail again?
> Hope that helps,
No. You can't do something wrong, right.
> and sorry that I don't have any advice about house
> training,
Oh, that's boob maida's department. marybeth will help with
that, I think she's covering for him temporarily. If they get
any poo eating problems, you friend lyindogDUMMY will
have some answers, once he gets Marty's Carp hook outta
his lip.
> all I can think of is to take him out after every meal or
> drink, after every play session and/or once an hour for
> sure.
Right. That's to stop an accident. You'd rather run around
behind the dog sniffing up his butt to see if he's got to go,
rather than simply training the dog to relieve himself when
and where you ask, and address any housebreaking
accidents like any other problem, using distraction and
praise techniques.
> Praise like mad, but don't give treats, perhaps use a
> toy if praise doesn't seem to work,
The idea of praise is to validate the thought the dog had.
Giving treats afterward does not do anything but distract the
dog from the thought you think you are rewarding. Dogs
don't think like college kids... They think instinctively and
reflexively, like furry woodsland creatures. Nature programs
dogs to keep their den clean. The crate is the dog's den.
That means YOUR HOUSE is HIS TOILET.
> and remember that at 7 months, he does not have
> full bladder control yet,
He probably should have.
> you will still need to be patient with him.
That's not going to help if she doesn't do something right in
the training and handling department.
> If he is messing in the crate, use a product that
> removes the smell,
If he's messing in the crate it is because of extreme anxiety,
NOT SCENT. Wash the crate with and non phenol
containing cleaner, bleach is perfect as long as you're not
mixing it with ammonia from the urine, becuase you'll gas
someone to death. So that means clean with soap and
water first, and then bleach for disinfecting.
> and consider buying a smaller crate (dogs don't like
> to mess where they sleep
Unless they're in a small crate and mess themselves, and
then they become dirty keepers and even breeders kill them
because they stay messy all the time and you can't ever
keep them clean and they stink up the place.
> especially if the two area cannot be seperated --the
> idea behind a crate that is only big enough for the dog
> to stretch out in, stand up and turn around in).
You sure do know crates inside out. Why don't you figure
out something useful to do with the crate, like making end
tables or coffe tables or settees or something functional,
because as a dog training tool, they STINK.
> Good luck, and please be patient, this will not happen
> overnight.
Right. Not unless the change what they've been doing.
> Melissa
Ask yourself "WHY DOESN'T JERRY HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?"
And then just answer "BECAUSE JERRY KNOWS HOWE
TO TRAIN DOGS WITHOUT HURTING THEM."
And THEN SAY OUT LOUD: "IGNORE JERRY, HE'S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS."
You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY
handle and train your dog using non force, non
confronatational, scientific and psychological
methods, in the Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com
Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe. j;~}
"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-
Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:
CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Wits' End Dog Training
Witsend...@aol.com
http://www.doggydoright.com
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
On Jan 18, 12:31 pm, "JP" <vze2w...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
> He seems very secure there from your description.
>
> JP
Here's more on crate "training":
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:13:12 GMT
Subject: Crate Training / Chewing / HOWESbreaking Puppy - Starry's
Scary Night
HOWEDY People,
> I have a couple of young pups.
The Puppy Wizzzard has trained dogs for forty
years. When HE began training, crates were only
used for trainsport. The Puppy Wizzzard never
owned a crate until 1980. It was Dane size,
made of stainless steel with a custom made tray.
It was a GIFT. Actually, it was more than a gift,
it was practically FORCED on HIM. Not wanting to
look a gift horse in the mouth, the crate fit
neatly next to HIS bed and served as a table,
and only functioned as a crate on rare occasion
when dog shy company shared HIS bed.
> I want you to tell me what I should do
> with them during the day when I work (3 hrs)
> and at night (7hrs) or when I might want to
> go shopping, to dinner.........
TRAINING has always served The Puppy Wizzzard well...
The PROBLEM with raising a pup is NOT in HOWE
to CONFINE the dog, but HOWE to TEACH the dog
not to chew inappropriate things. That takes
about WON HOWER per room... to totally HOWES
train the dog.
Destructive chewing is an anxiety relief mechanism.
Puppies do not destructively chew unless they're
MISHANDLED.
Chewing for teething puporses is EZ to control by
leaving WON appropriate hard and WON soft chew toy
in each area of the HOWES, so they're convienient
but not "everywhere." Over loading the HOWES with
toys tells the pup that EVERY THING is his to chew,
and so they will.
HOWESbreaking is INSTINCTIVE. Puppy naturally
HOWESbreak themselves at about five weeks old,
if they're given the ability to get to an appropriate
break area. A tray with some newspapers serves
well for that and can function for occasions when
you're not able to return within a reasonable time,
say if you have an emergency. The pup won't get
nervous that he needs to relieve himself and has
no place to go.
Locking a pup in a box teaches the dog the box
is his HOWES and YOUR HOWES is his territory to
foul.
Locking a pup in a box does NOT give IT a sense
of security, it makes them ANXIOUS, because the
pup INSTINCTIVELY KNOWS he does not have the
ability to relieve himself in his appropriate
break area.
Crating confounds HOWESbreaking. That's HOWE COME
you can't HOWESbreak a dog in a day or two... like
The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Students report. Traditional traines FEAR dogs
making mistakes, they're afraid the dog will LEARN
to relieve himself on the floor if you have any
accidents. Dogs do not relieve themelves because of
scent in their own HOWES unless another dog has visited
and left a mark.
The problem for traditional trainers is they have NO
METHOD for addressing a behavior after the fact. Catching
the dog in the act is infantile thinking. A dog has the
intelligence to understand that he shouldn't have done
WHATEVER he's likely to do as a dog sometimes will do.
THEY KNOW what they did earlier just like you and me,
but probably better than me.
There's no reason to crate them. Crating inhibits
HOWESbreaking and disavails us of training opportunities
and causes animosity, hyperactivity, separation anxiety,
fear of thunder, obsessive / compulsive barking, whining, chewing,
pacing, digging, self mutilation, car sickness,
intestinal and digestive disorders, shyness, aggression,
OCD behaviors and idiopathic epilepsy.
The notion that dogs love their dens is FALSE. They
HIDE FROM REALITY in there, like you'd hide from the
boogeyman and pull the covers over your head or killfile
a poster you didn't want to hear from. That reinforces
the fear and inability to cope.
Giving a dog a den to retreat to CAUSES insecurity
because the dog never learns HOWE to cope with
situations of their environment. Every time somethin
disturbes the dog and IT retreats to the crate, the
FEAR is REINFORCED.
When the dog comes out of the crate it's like a soldier
coming out of a foxhole. Everything represents danger.
Socialization will not be effected, the dog will still
go out and make pals etc, but the constant reinforcement
of his fears EVERY TIME the dog returns to the crate might
negate the benefit of socialization.
Certainly that doesn't happen to ALL dogs, and that's not
to say it cannot be possible to PUPPERLY crate train a dog.
But to lock a dog in a box to AVOID BEHAVIORS you cannot
train is doing the dog and yourelf a terrible disservice.
The Puppy Wizzzard has trained mostly giant breed protection dogs for
forty years, and cannot understand HOWE a person is expected to be
able
to depend on their dog to protect them and the HOWES if he's locked in
a
box.
The Puppy Wizzzard ordinarily has WORKING PROTECTION dogs at six
months
of age. HOWESbreaking is EZ if you just give the dog the opportunity
to
allow NATRURE'S PERFECT HOWESbreaking plan to fulfill it's
territorial
imperatives... like protection, for example.
Subject: letter about crate
Starry's Scary Night
Anyone reading this letter is familiar with my white
shepherd Starr and her problems with fear and anxiety.
Starr has made a lot of progress since my last letter
and continues to make progress almost daily.
For a while Starr was going through a transition
period where she was expecting me to go back to the old
ways of training and discipline. She would refuse to
perform the commands right and just not want to work.
With a ton of self-control I kept the exercises simple
during this time, spending most of our training session
doing the "hot and cold exercise."
Starr soon bounced out of her unsure sliding-back-
and-forth stage and is stable now. The reason for this
letter is to talk about crates and the emotional state
they can put a dog in.
Only after I dealt with the crate situation I'll be
explaining was Starr able to make real progress. After
that the back sliding mentioned above was only a matter
of time, patients and being consistent.
First let me just say that I'm not saying that you
shouldn't use a crate. Only that you make sure to use
it right for the emotional state of your dog.
Ever since Starr was a pup whenever I left her alone
I put her in her crate. If we had company Starr went in
her crate because she was not friendly and would bark and
hide. Nights she also spent in her crate which seemed like
a retreat to her, a comfort zone. But that false sense of
security made the world outside her crate seem all the
more scary.
Starr was unintentionally "taught" that whenever
something was unusual in the house that she was to go to
her "safe place" and then everything would be all right.
The problem became evident when we got Starr home
afterher training in FL. Starr was so much more confident
in herself. But her fear was triggered by all her past
feelings associated with her familiar surroundings.
Mr. Howe told me to expect Starr might back-slide and
to simply keep working her until she came around.
I worked with my dog but at night I put her in her
crate. The next morning all the work I had been through
the day before, and whatever progress she had made seemed
to have disappeared.
I spoke to Mr. Howe about what was going on and he
explained that the false sense of security Starr got from
the crate was making her fear the outside world. When she
got in the crate she felt safe, after all that was where
I put her whenever something was unstable [if I left, company
etc..] When she came out she was leaving behind that security.
At first I was going to try to recondition her to being
in the crate but I was so afraid of all the training and
confidence she got in FL being lost that I decided to just
stop using the crate. So I left her in my bed room instead.
She was not comfortable with this at first. It seemed
like she felt she didn't know where she belonged and that
made her anxious. But using the "surrogate toy" technique
and sound distraction and praise cured her of this anxiety
in less then a half hour.
Now Starr is comfortable and content to hang out alone
in my room. She's not emotionally confined to just my bed
or to her doggy bed and she is not at all destructive. I
am lucky that Starr's separation anxiety was never expressed
in messing or chewing, though once she took my violin shoulder
rest from my closet and kept it with her on my bed. She did,
however tip over my waste basket twice. Both times I addressed
the expression as it says in Jerry's manual and that's no
longer a problem.
Crystal Arcidy
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Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
"(the)duckster" <duck...@erinet.com>
wrote in message news:NV8kj.15$4b6.1@trndny08...
Just on accHOWENTA a alky don't drink don't mean
he still ain't usin the same STINKIN THINKIN of a
drunk; sobriety DON'T mean SANITY <{}: ~ ( >
JUST IN CASE you ain't noticed it yet, EVERY WON
on this forum GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS for the
SAME REASONS.
It's kinda like an UN SUCCESSFUL A.A. group holdin
hands and PREYIN for better LUCK the next time, doin
THE SAME THINGS for the SAME REASONS, that got
them here in the first place <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
"One doesn't necessarily have to believe in God to accept that
the collective energy of people (in the same boat you are), along
with a common sense philosphy that can be found in tomes
ranging from the Analects of Confucious to the Koran can put
you on the path to not only sobriety, but simply better living."
DOGS DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS.
LUCKY THING separation anXXXIHOWESNESS CAN
BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN
EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you and your newfHOWED MENTAL CASE
PALS PREFER <{}: ~ ) >
> "Janet Boss" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
> news:janet-D97DEA....@news.individual.net...
>> In article <aB8kj.45$Ev6.12@trndny07>,
"If you hang arHOWEND the barber shop..."
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x272/TheIncrediblySimplyAmazingPup...
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
<mhhea...@iastate.edu>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>> "\(the\)duckster" <duck...@erinet.com> wrote:
You gotta do sumpthin different than what the other drunks are doin.
janet's last DEAD DOG DIED at age 6 Yrs. from STRESS INCUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome.
A WIZE WON WON day said: "The alcoholic must find his
own way which starts by a cold hard assessment of one's self.
Waking up in your own s**t is often an eye opener."
Your newfHOWEND pal janet has been on ANTI -
PSYCHOTICS for TWENTY YEARS and has a
VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORY of DISMAL
FAILURE and DEATHLY ILL DOGS an kats as a
direct result of HURTIN and INTIMIDATIN them,
an LYIN abHOWET IT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
On 26 Jun 2005 10:52:42 -0700, lucyaa...@claque.net, wrote:
> What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
> Lucy
one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction
involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B
----------
And here's another one from the same author,
taken from the same thread.
167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"
<Ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk>, wrote:
> I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to train"your
> dogs especially as they are so small.
Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators
at the end of a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.
----------
Let's go for the hat trick with the same author,
taken from the same thread:
141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm
I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex
link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group
class.
So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).
But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For circumstances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B
----------
HOWEDY janet,
Looks like you and your pals have gone totally INSANE again:
Janet B wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
> <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>, clicked their heels and said:
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say I beat dogs, choke
> dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look at the original
post, to remind myself what "we" are all accused of doing:
"screaming, choking, shocking, pinching, beating the living crap
out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort by a prong
collar, go ahead, but unless you have first hand experience with
one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
---------------------
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
"You're JUDGED BY the company you keep. When
you LIE with PIGS you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
"Sort of like being known by the company you keep."
From: Janet B <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:53 -0400
Subject: urinary leaking
Rudy has a vet appointment tomorrow afternoon,
but I thought I'd throw this out here anyway.
Rudy has excitement urination sometimes - if I spend too long before
coming into the house, he may flood his crate. This is generally
only
if I've been gone over 4 hours. He does not have water in his crate.
Rudy sleeps through the night (10-6 or 7) and never has an issue with
leaking then. He is housebroken and waits until I let him out.
A few times over the last month, after I've been gone a bit over 5
hours, I've come home, let him out where he pees up a storm, then he
is fed, out again, maybe multiple times (for play, etc) and
eliminates
normally. Then he naps. When he's sleeping, he leaks.
Baseball-Softball sized puddle generally. Yesterday, I as home with
him all day, gone for <2 hours in the early evening, and late in the
evening, right before bed, he leaked again while sleeping.
This doesn't strike me as an infection or even a sphincter issue, but
it has me puzzled. He has no idea he's doing it and it doesn't wake
him.
Any thoughts?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>> > Yes, I am considering that as well., though he is capable
>> > of "opening" the latch with a flip of his nose.
Your dog is escapin his crate on accHOWENTA
he's havin PAINICK ATTACKS <{}: ~ ( >
Death Producing Ulcers:
"Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior"
Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
importance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more important than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional
difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal,
cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin,
urinary, and neuro muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
the standard six hour school day that I have been able
to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
"EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
ULCERS.
---------------------
>> Use some leash or carabiner clips to keep it closed.
Makin a better MHOWESTRAP ain't gonna CURE your
dog's PAINICK ATTACKS nodoGdameneD more than
you not takin a drink is gonna make you a decent human
being with clear thinkin.
"just before I'm thinking about doing something
I ought not to be doing. Then it says something
like "yo, bad idea".
From: Janet Boss <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:39:43 -0400
Subject: Re: the one-dog two-dog dilemma
In article <fb464s$uc...@registered.motzarella.org>,
Shelly <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote:
> hat was a sing that I should be committed.
> I have a feeling that, as crazy as multiple retrievers might be, it
> pales in comparison to multiple Boxers. It's not a theory I'd
> personally care to test, though.
Me neither! Yes, we don't have the sock thing with Rudy
thank goodness. He keeps me just as worried with lumps
(cells from one are out for biopsy now), has been a poop
eater (past tense) and has his urinary issue.
Their "joie de vivre" is pretty similar though!
They're actually very good at being rugs
when in the house and it's just me/us.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Sun, Dec 4 2005 3:26 am
Email: lucyaa...@claque.net
Janet B wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2005 10:55:42 -0800, "sighthounds & siberians"
> <greyho...@ncweb.com>, clicked their heels and said:
> > Oh, please. You're asking Lucy to understand that a behavior
> > can be genetic in a dog, which IMO is asking a great deal.
Yeah, what do I know about genetically determined behavior? At some
point in the evolution of Franklin's breed a mutation occurred that
determined a propensity for sock-swallowing; and, considering the
fact
that this acquired behavior conferred such an evolutionary advantage
to
the breed, natural selection favored it all the time until it was
passed on to Franklin's parents and grandparents, and hopefully to
Franklin's offspring, so that such a valuable trait wouldn't, God
forbid, be lost due to some other random mutation quirk. Nice how
genetics work, in Sally's world!
> >It's ironic that Lucy (whose tone from the get-go is much more
> >sarcastic and confrontational than would seem warranted) should
> >reappear just now, isn't it?
"Ironic?" About as ironic as any random event, and as probable
as a dog being born with a taste for socks.
> > Mustang Sally
> oh I know, and I fed the troll.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, good-hearted Janet!
I was STARVING!
But - can you tell me what exactly is it that makes me
a troll, when posting on topic on a dog behavior matter?
> Even they need treats once in awhile, no? OK - maybe not!
> The holiday spirit must have gotten the better of me.
Yes, Janet, you're way too good. Don't let it become a habit, though
-
you might find it difficult next time when having to use your pretty
choke collar on a dog.
Lucy
-------------------------
>> >> The crate downstairs - site of the "canine crime
>> >> scene" as quoted by Muttley's dad,
"Muttley's dad" is abHOWET as PATHETIC as WON can be:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
--------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
----------------
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
-----------------------
THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it, paulie?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8....@news.individual.net...
It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
>> >> was double bolyrf with lockboxes I used
>> >> in my real estate practice.
>
>> Translation?
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is
an acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible
to answer and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant
---------------------
> A lockbox is used for a key when a house is being listed for sale. It
> attaches to the doorknob via a combination lock. I removed the lock
> and just use the box and latch. Very handy.
>
>> > When he was unable to free himself using his normal method,
>> > I think that's when he literally attacked the cage, ripping bars
>> > off like they were spagetti.
Naaaaah?
>> BTDT.
Naaaaah? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS:
--------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
> From: diddy d...@nospam.diddy.net
> Some dogs are really adept at getting
> out of things, even the impossible.
Yes indeed. I crated Franklin when I had to
leave yesterday. He's post surgical and needs
to be confined and rest/kept safe.
He is used to crates, has not problem with
them and does not "escape" (mesh crates, wire
crates, etc - he takes them all in stride,
whether strange places or at home).
When I got home, both dogs greeted me at the
door. He had managed to bend the clips on the
end panel of his metal crate (General Cage 204)
and squeeze out the top/side of the end panel
that has the door. The door was securely closed.
THAT was NOT a good thing to do with a foot of
staples in your tummy. He hadn't done it before -
but he's not his usual self obviously.
We won't be trying that again any time soon!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
BWEEEEAHAAAHAAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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>> Not a good thing.
LIKE THIS:
Until Monday.
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>> > I'm going to begin a 15-30 minute leave and
>> > come back with the new crate I am ordering.
And where's the TRAININ in that?
Here's a other of janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "students":
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's
like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'.
I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad
Janet gave me the chance to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
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Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
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From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 0:08:02 -0400, Jenn wrote
(in message <CSPU8.117216$Lf2.8604...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>):
> That aside, I crate trained both my dogs
> successfully, and used the crate to house
> train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cushions off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going
away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to
furbaby camp for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not important.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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From: Nessa (use...@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
<6dchmvc41uetv229f7249jh60k6881i...@4ax.com>):
> Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them
> in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to
> be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i close
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
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Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed
on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
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2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Email: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Nessa wrote:
> Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
> between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
> out (because if I could it's no biggie
> and I can sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?
> I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
> into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
> the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
> (there is no other way to describe dogs running down
> wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.
Do NOT let them wander the house getting
more charged up.
> I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
> HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They
need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock
it off, and have that backed up with some sort of
correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night?
nessa CONtinues:
> A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become
> increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00.
> Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him
> down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort,
> spraying him with water from a plant sprayer.
>
> This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into
> the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he
> stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down
> for a few minutes before the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while
you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GLASSES.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am glassesless. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
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From: Nessa (ladybug0...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
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>> > With much heavier bars, the possibility of ripping off
>> > the bars and potentially impaling himself is greatly
>> > minimized.
That so? HOWE abHOWET breakin teeth
or gettin his jaw caught an breakin IT?
>> > You see I am really less concerned about him getting
>> > out as I am coming home and finding him dead from
>> > a puncture wound.
That's curiHOWES. My 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training
Method Manual Students ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD
WORLD EXXXTINGUISH separation anXXXIHOWESNESS
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you an your
newfHOWEND MENTALLY ILL PALS are doin it <{}: ~ ) >
Perhaps you should take some advice from janet?
LIKE THIS:
From: tricia9999 is a dog murderer
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2003 1:56 pm
J1Boss wrote:
> That's great, but I don't think you need to do all that proofing if you're
> teaching. That's what supervision is all about. To each their own, but I
> prefer to live normally and have everyone learn to live with "stuff".
This is Janet Boss's method for keeping dogs from grabbing
things they are not supposed to have....
NICE ABDOMINAL SURGERY FOR THE FAMILY PET
NICE CLAWING YOUR WAY OUT OF A CAGE WITH A FOOT
OF STAPLES IN YOUR TUMMY FOR THE FAMILY PET
NICE IDIOT TRAINING FROM JANET BOSSY BOSS ONE OF
THE MOST "IRRESPONSIBLE" DOG OWNERS IN ALL OF USENET
On 6 Feb 2006 01:19:16 -0800,
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@hotmail.com>, clicked their heels and said:
> janet, yes unfortunatly i have. i joined a mother and daughter duo
> training group and i am still kicking my arse over it :( i have since
> learnt (and anyone new to dogs please take note!) they have no
> qualifications only their own experience.
What exactly does that mean?
> its because of them i am busting a gut to get qualified
> and to join the apdt.
"credentials" only mean something if the issuing organization is
recognized as THE authority. The American Medical Association, The
American Bar Association - things like that. There is no "whatever"
dog association that licenses dog trainers.
> i saw a massive negative difference in my dogs behaviour when on the
> lead and i didnt yank or pull i never would no matter what the
> 'trainers' said.
What exactly were you doing with the lead that caused a negative
behavior? Do you not use a lead when training? Not on city streets?
> i guess i was as distressed as my dog.
I'm pretty sure you are the only one who was distressed and you
transmitted that to your dog.
> i took a dog out of this real nasty hell hole. the lady had set her
> self up as a rescue then had about 20 dogs running free in her back
> garden and it broke down to chaos.i took out a young lab female who
> was so scared she wouldnt climb into my car and i wasnt going to force
> her so i just sat next to her but on my tail gate. the 'rescue' woman
> growled and grabbed the dog at the back of the neck and a lump of flesh
> at the rump and threw her into my car.
What on earth does that have to do with properly using a variety of
training tools? So far, you've equated using choke collars with
people who enjoy drop-kicking dogs.
>with ppl such as this working with dogs i want to show a 'better way'.
>i don't refer to them when i'm talking to the person on the street as
>'tools of horror' but i do give them some tips on a nicer way.
When 150# Cujo is trying to eat the dog net door,
what "nicer way" do you employ?
> the thing is, you put one of those around your neck, be it choke
> prong or electric and then tell me you want to keep using them.
My neck is very different from a dog's neck. I have no problem with
a
choke or prong on my neck - I would respond accordingly. As far as
electric, I have had a ton of PT at times, and the electricity has
been a godsend.
>ok i am bent over ~ no pointy toes please, but form an orderly line to
>kick my arse..............i am braced :)
Nope - don't believe in kicking. But I do use a variety of collars
when training dogs. I'm not a big fan of CHAIN chokes, because I
don't find them easy to fit properly. I prefer nylon slip collars in
general, will never connect a leash to a buckle ID collar, and find
prong collars to be very, very useful training tools.
Rudy is going to start learning the e-collar this week.
I'm sure you'll NOT hear screams from across the pond.
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>> > While he is inside, I am using a combination of pants
>> > and belly band to cover him up well enough that if he
>> > does lift to mark he wets himself and not my couches
>> > and beds.
THAT'S INSANE.
>> Ok, I apparently missed the OP and with my
>> newsreader, don't know how to go back.
Seems janet couldn't find her arse in the dark with both hands <{}: ~
( >
>> How old is this dog/what kind and what is the issue?
>
> Bodie is "just a dog" the son of a stray I picked up a few years
> back when she was pregnant. He was born and raised here.
> He lives with a pack of two other dogs, plus my granddog -
> another of the mother's pups, whom I walk everyday with my
> three and who frequently visits. All my animals are neutered/spayed.
Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES anXXXIHOWESNESS problems.
> About six months ago I guess he began marking, including
> me a couple of times. A few times he made a bloody mess
> in both our bed and my daughter's.
There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE COME a dog
would have HOWEsbreakin problems:
1. He's DEATHLY ILL.
OR
2. He's DEATHLY UNHAPPY.
> Never could catch him in the act as it was quite intermittent.
You mean so you could PUNISH HIM <{}: ~ ( >
> He also started to get a bit destructive,
Naaaah?
> though limited to skeins of yarn, bags fished
> from trash, toilet paper, things like that.
Well then, you're in EXXXCELLENT company~!
> We began by gradually reducing his privileges, closing
> off the upstairs, crating him at night (which he goes to
> willingly with no complaint, happy to have his peanut
> butter bone), and combining the pants and band to control
> the marking.
THAT'S INSANE.
> Most of the time when I leave there is either someone else
> home, or the weather is nice enough to just put him out,
> which as I said he quite enjoys.
> But there are times when he needs to be inside and since
> he's not too trustworthy lately, into the crate he goes.
AND THEN HE GOES INSANE.
> The last episode is when he went berserk and ripped your
> standard issue crate to shreds. Met me at the door with
> the other two, happy as a clam. The room was a complete wreck.
AS STATED: "You're in EXXXCELLENT company~!".
> Between the marking, shredding, and now the destroying
> of his crate, I've decided along with my vet to give the heavy
> duty cage/drugs/and gradually extending my time gone to
> see if we can't modify his behavior.
You mean INSTEAD of follHOWEIN the PRECISE
INSTRUCTIONS I GAVE YOU to EXXXTINGUISH
your dog's DEATHLY anXXXIHOWESNESS behavior?
> Additional insight or suggestions are gratefully appreciated.
A letter would be nice. Something simple as in "once I was
a slosh and treated you like shit. That was then. Today I am
sober and just want you to know that I realize what an ass I
was and want to apologize.
> He's really a very good boy and we love him dearly.
That so?
> If he still had his cojones, I'd swear it was puberty.
THAT'S INSANE.
> Kind regards,
That's kindly of you <{}: ~ ) >
> (the)duckster
>> --
>> Janet Boss
>> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 01:19:16 -0800,
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@hotmail.com>, clicked
their heels and said:
> janet, yes unfortunatly i have. i joined a mother and
> daughter duo training group and i am still kicking my
> arse over it :( i have since learnt (and anyone new to
> dogs please take note!) they have no qualifications only
> their own experience.
What exactly does that mean?
> its because of them i am busting a gut
> to get qualified and to join the apdt.
"credentials" only mean something if the issuing
organization is recognized as THE authority. The
American Medical Association, The American Bar
Association - things like that. There is no "whatever"
dog association that licenses dog trainers.
> i saw a massive negative difference in my dogs
> behaviour when on the lead and i didnt yank or
> pull i never would no matter what the 'trainers'
> said.
What exactly were you doing with the lead that
caused a negative behavior? Do you not use a
lead when training? Not on city streets?
> i guess i was as distressed as my dog.
I'm pretty sure you are the only one who was
distressed and you transmitted that to your dog.
> i took a dog out of this real nasty hell hole. the lady
> had set her self up as a rescue then had about 20
> dogs running free in her back garden and it broke
> down to chaos.i took out a young lab female who
> was so scared she wouldnt climb into my car and
> i wasnt going to force her so i just sat next to her
> but on my tail gate. the 'rescue' woman growled
> and grabbed the dog at the back of the neck and
> a lump of flesh at the rump and threw her into my car.
What on earth does that have to do with properly
using a variety of training tools? So far, you've
equated using choke collars with people who enjoy
drop-kicking dogs.
> with ppl such as this working with dogs i want to
> show a 'better way'. i don't refer to them when i'm
> talking to the person on the street as 'tools of horror'
> but i do give them some tips on a nicer way.
When 150# Cujo is trying to eat the dog net
door, what "nicer way" do you employ?
> the thing is, you put one of those around your neck,
> be it choke prong or electric and then tell me you
> want to keep using them.
My neck is very different from a dog's neck. I have
no problem with a choke or prong on my neck - I
would respond accordingly. As far as electric, I have
had a ton of PT at times, and the electricity has been a
godsend.
> ok i am bent over ~ no pointy toes please, but form
> an orderly line to kick my arse..............i am braced :)
Nope - don't believe in kicking. But I do use a variety
of collars when training dogs. I'm not a big fan of
CHAIN chokes, because I don't find them easy to fit
properly. I prefer nylon slip collars in general, will
never connect a leash to a buckle ID collar, and find
prong collars to be very, very useful training tools.
Rudy is going to start learning the e-collar this week.
I'm sure you'll NOT hear screams from across the pond.
--
Janet B
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Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
> sallytighe <tigheWITHOUTT...@gmx.net> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > Paul E. Schoen schrieb:
> >> When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I always [snip]
>
> > This bit took my breath away, and then I started to wonder
> > if there is a cultural difference operating here.
>
> > Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs
> > alone inside for this length of time?
>
> Do you beat yourdog?
>
> I'm not going to defend Paul because I don't know his situation.
> But I used to leave my dogs alone inside for 9 hours on a
> regular basis.
>
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's aDog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days - maybe
an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am
Interesting. In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".
It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
HOWEDY matty,
Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
> You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and REPORTED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS And
HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri98A2754B08620au...@rocky-dog.com
Robin Nuttall <robi...@mchsi.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> One day you may do better than your poor three week
>> benchbark. Keep at it, keep learning, and keep an open
>> mind.
> It really does depend on the dog. I've housebroken dogs in
> 1-2 weeks; Zipper took 4 months of hard slog. A lot of it
> is being organized and hyper aware of the dog at all times.
I agree. I thought that the post I was responding to was
somewhat condescending, so I did the same. I should have
stopped my reply after the first paragraph.
Still, I think that Antares should keep an open mind
towards crates. Heck, we still haven't gotten into all
their other wonderful uses.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri98A6C2785B8CBau...@rocky-dog.com...
> Janet B <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>>Given the total freedom of the house and total access to
>>me, my dogs slept all day, sometimes in their crates. Oh
>>yeah, crating them during the day is so cruel! Why, it
>>forces them to, um, do what they were doing anyway?
> And they got up and stretched, looked out the window,
> etc, and then went back to sleeping, right?
Uncrated, my crated dog may have done all those things.
Balance missing those activities vs. the resulting lack of
distruction (and potential danger) and all of the activities
we did outside of Monday to Friday 8 to 5.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
I'm postin this directly to you so's there'll be NO
CHANCE you'll ACCIDENTALLY overlook it.
I'm PREYIN that you're advanced enough in your RECOVERY
that the TRUTH don't set you back into a perhaps devastating
RELAPSE as I've done to other posters here, most notably, your
own pal tara.green2 from the A.A. self heelp forum, despite my
beast efforts to be GENTLE with her, knowin her propensity and
potential to relapse <{}: ~ ) >
LikeWIZE, I'm PREYIN your dog don't DROP DEAD from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The
Puppy Wizard's Syndrome JUST LIKE HOWE your pal tara's
DEAD DOG DIED from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES havin similar case history as your own fearful dog,
as has janet's DEAD DOG Franklin at age 6 and sionnach's DEAD
DOG Rosci at 5 and beth in AK's DEAD DOG Kavik at age 6, as
you'll see below.
Perhaps you should consider takin in a few daily meetins for a while?
As you well know, not drinkin don't mean SANITY, and bein NOT
SANE is WON step closer to the bottle, wouldn't you agree?
As you've seen and NHOWE know, EVERY poster here has very
long posted case histories of DISMAL FAILURE at trainin dogs,
histories of incurable mental illness, child abuse, and hurtin
intimidatin mutilatin an murderin innocent defenseless dumb
critters an LYIN abHOWET it <{}: ~ ( >
On Jan 18, 4:10 pm, "\(the\)duckster" <ducks...@erinet.com> wrote:
> "JP" <vze2w...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:Hn5kj.10$NU6.1@trndny01...
> > Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
> > He seems very secure there from your description.
>
> > JP
>
> Yes, I am considering that as well., though he is capable of
> "opening" the latch with a flip of his nose.
>
> The crate downstairs - site of the "canine crime scene" as quoted by
> Muttley's dad, was double bolyrf with lockboxes I used in my real estate
> practice.
>
> When he was unable to free himself using his normal method, I think that's
> when he literally attacked the cage, ripping bars off like they were spagetti.
>
> I had a very long chat with my vet last night and she is quite puzzled why
> at three this very mellow dog has developed this behavior. He having never
> chewed, was easily crate/house trained, and would just as soon snooze on the
> couch as do anything. She has advised and prescribed a combination of
> behavior modification that includes crate and drugs. The latter to be used
> with prudence and carefully monitored by observing his behavior plus
> frequent blood panels.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> I'm going to begin a 15-30 minute leave and come back with the new crate I
> am ordering. With much heavier bars, the possibility of ripping off the
> bars and potentially impaling himself is greatly minimized. You see I am
> really less concerned about him getting out as I am coming home and finding
> him dead from a puncture wound.
>
> And actually around my house the crate during the day is really only
> something I need to use when the weather is too bad to put him out. We have
> several wooded acres and he enjoys very much hiding in the underbrush and
> spying on the house. That, or he like to lay on the pool cover and soak up
> the steam.
Your other dog DIED from playin on the pool cover.
> While he is inside, I am using a combination of pants and belly band to
> cover him up well enough that if he does lift to mark he wets himself and
> not my couches and beds.
THAT'S INSANE.
> I appreciate everyone's insight and for taking the time
> to write and share their opinions and stories.
INDEED?
> Kind regards,
LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ) >
> (the)duckster
Here's a couple of lyin dog murderin life long incurable
MENTAL CASES, your newfHOWEND PALS:
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: Shina Inu Experts : Please help!
Dogman, quoting howdy-doody:
>>This is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat.
> See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example, scratching
> out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't want to be bothered
> by an over-exurburant puppy (are there any other kinds?).
********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully
exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.
My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.
Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).
I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.
> But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then what
> must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh?
*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let everyone
run amok!
> Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of you
> being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how little he
> actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc.
> Don't let him, eh?
> Dogman
************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.
Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.
Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
Subject: Re: Crate question
"Janet Boss" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
news:janet-F73AA0....@news.individual.net...
> In article <Fri9A2BD48451896au...@rocky-dog.com>,
> Rocky <3d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote:
>
>> How old is she? With new dogs and puppies, I like to start
>> giving freedom at night when I'm semi-supervising.
And then matty STILL gotta lock his well trained dogs in
a box FOREVER otherWIZE they'll destroy the HOWES
like HOWE janet's and diddler's dogs PREFER <{}: ~ ) >
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days - maybe
an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am
Interesting. In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".
It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
Re: Crate training questions...
Re: Crate training questions...
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
> We're scheduling to start that on February 1st
> (the 4 month mark). Wish us luck!
Oh yeah, GOOD LUCK~!:
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 01 Jan 2001 12:56:23 GMT
Subject: ringing in the new year crateless
Now that the houseguests are gone, Franklin was given
the opportunity to sleep out of the crate last night. He
plopped himself in his dog bed, went to sleep and slept
through until 7:30, ignoring the cat's comings and goings
and generally just being a very good little puppy instead
of eating the room.
Went back to bed when told to, rather than bug me - he is
actually growing up! A good way to start the new year.
INDEED?
HOWEver, that was just a other ILLUSION:
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 25 Jun 2001 20:36:27 GMT
Well, until 2.5 months ago, Franklin was in a crate if I left.
A total of 7 months of crating when I wasn't home.
He transitioned quite well.
--------------------
INDEEDY~!:
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/17
Subject: crating progress
My dear little Franklin really hated his crate right off the bat.
Screamed, howled and barked all the way home from NH. If
crated and left too soon after having eaten, he would work himself
up so much that he'd barf part of his meal.
The bedtime crate, however, was well received - he'd settle right
down, but needed to be placed in there. I thought - oh no - the
first
puppy who "can't" be crated!
The first step was the bedtime crate. One night he just walked up
the stairs, into the bedroom and went right to his crate. HOORAY!
The next hurdle was the left alone crate. I tried switching from the
spacious wire crate to a not-quite as spacious vari-kennel, since
that's
what his bedtime crate is.
Nope - still barfed food, which was harder to clean up. Went back
to the wire crate, for very short, well-times periods, and although he
had salivated heavily, no vomit.
One day, I needed to feed and leave in a relatively short period of
time.
I decided to give some Rescue Remedy a try, and gave him a few
drops before leaving. Came home to a calm puppy with a clean
and dry crate. After that, no crate problems - he goes in when asked
and stays calm! It seems as though the RR was the little crutch he
needed to convince himself that he didn't have to get upset.
Now, in the evenings, he actually goes over to the crate and goes
in and takes a nap! Amazing how different he feels about it now.
The last to be accepted was the car crate. Once he decided he liked
the wire crate in the house, I switched from a vari-kennel to a wire
crate in the car.
He's very happy - totally quiet and relaxed.
Persistence paid off, and now he'll get to go places with me and
Lucy, and be able to be crated for periods of time necessary.
In knew we'd get there eventually, but it seemed like it would be
a long haul. He wasn't getting a choice in any circumstance, so it's
nice that the acceptance has been sooner than later!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/10
Subject: Mr Whipple?
Franklin discovered the joys of toilet paper yesterday. He was
even smart enough to figure out that there was a roll in each of
the 3 bathrooms!
Explaining to a retriever puppy, that TP that has been in his
mouth is NOT very useful afterwards, seems to be a lifelong
repetition.
Just one of the many charms of this darling little puppy (who's
not so little - he's growing before my very eyes!). His lawn-care
talents never cease to amaze me.
Leaf and branch mulching, edging, Honey-locust pod shredding,
and general plant-matter debris ridding, are all free - sure can save
money on those so called lawn-care "professionals! ;-D
This cold weather in the mid-atlantic, has him all charged
up and raring to go lately - he gets more fun by the minute.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/10
Subject: Re: Mr Whipple?
> All parts of _black_ locust are toxic. Honey locust has
> some milder warnings ``Warning: all parts of [HL] contain
> potentially toxic compounds.''
> Peterson Field Guide to Eastern/Central Medicinal Plants
> Black locust is the common tree around here.
>--
>Ron Hardin
>rhhar...@mindspring.com
Thank you Ron, always goo to heed warnings about poisonous
plants (did I mention that Franklin seems to have a death wish,
since he finds Azaleas appetizing as well?).
I knew this, which is why they get taken away (and he's steered
clear of the azaleas) and we spent this past weekend raking up
mounds upon mounds of them - I hate them - they're messy besides
potentially dangerous.
We spend a lot of time redirecting to appropriate
chew objects at this age.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
LIKE TOXIC SOCKS:
From: J1Boss (j1b...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
Date: 2002-06-27 03:30:11 PST
> From: Rocky
> Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
>
> I think that Franklin's been naughty.
>
>--
>--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
and apparently pretty sneaky too -
--------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 02 Jan 2001 20:36:06 GMT
Subject: Re: New here
>From: "sionnach"
> Morag, OTOH, was probably about a year old when I got her,
> and chewed (and ATE) all sorts of things; she also destroyed
> (by carefully picking the seams and eviscerating 'em) a number
> of stuffed toys which Bren had had for several years. and it's
> why she was crated when I wasn't home for the first few months
> I had her! I wasn't so much worried about what she destroyed
> (haven't got ANY possessions that I value more than my dogs)
> as that she'd kill herself by eating things like plastic bags. She
> *did* outgrow it, somewhere around 18-24 months, though she
> still un-stuffs toys sometimes, and loves to chew up sticks and
> bones.
Morag sounds like she's related to Franklin! He's really very
good about not chewing on furniture. He's housebroken. He
now sleeps "free" in the bedroom.
However, he ingests cloth if given the chance, and it's too big a
risk right now. We have laundry lockdown, but there's only so
much soft-item puppy proofing one can do! He's generally a very
good but very active puppy, good at choosing his toys and chewing
on "approved" things, but he can swallow a sock whole in a matter
of seconds (doesn't bother to chew - he's part snake).
Until he gets away from that a bit more, he'll continue to be crated
when I'm not home. He's 5.5 months old now, and I predict it will
be awhile!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
>> When I got Friday from a rescue it was pretty much the same
>> situation as yours. I had another dog and they'd be alone up
>> to 10 hours a day. Different adopters have different
>> criterea, one should "shop" around.
>
> You bet. Having a plan is really what it's all about.
> --
> Janet Boss
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/09/19
Subject: housebreaking and communication
Things have been going so well with my dear little Franklin, and
then.......
Flyball is a dangerous sport! I took a flying leap over a ring gate
and
smashed my knee, which is now in an immobilizer. That means, that
while I hobble around during the day, and get cooperation from my pup
as far as going outside, handing the repsonsibility over to DH in the
evening gives me rest and a chance to elevate my leg.
The problem is that DH is not very persistent, and if Franklin won't
"go" for him fairly quickly, says "no luck" and comes back in (but
doesn't keep enough of an eagle eye on him.
Why is it that I have "eyes in the back of my head" when it comes
to this stuff, and he doesn't?). Last evening, I KNEW it was time
for my puppy to poop, but DH took him out and no luck.
I mentioned it a bit later too, he tried again (and I KNEW
Franklin should have to pee at this point, since he and Lucy
had been playing tennis ball tug for quite a while), again -
no luck.
Then...... I'm on the phone, I see Franklin in front of the door
and tell DH to get him NOW - Franklin manages to pee in
front of the door as DH scoots himn outside.
I hobble up and clean it, DH comes back in, reporting that
Franklin doesn't have to eliminate further. Less than a minute
later, dear F is squatting to poop in front of the door (again -
*I* notice this, DH does not).
DH manages to get him out mid-way, nothing left in the house.
I'm frustrated, because I can't be able to get Franklin out every
time, and sometimes, he has to home with just DH. It strikes
me that the people who come here with housbreaking problems
have a lot in common with DH - they just aren't insistent and
observant enough.
Sure hope this thing gets to be removed from my leg today -
I need to be able to di this stuff and get the job done!
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 31 Dec 2000 15:17:58 GMT
Subject: Re: New here
Agreen1209 writes:
> So enter the third dog. This time we did our homework and
> went with a breed that suits our lifestyles, and found a reputable
> breeder. And we have a beautiful female Golden retriever that is
> about ten weeks old. So far things are going okay. She of course
> yelped all night, her first night here, and we had no sleep. But I
> expected that. Housebreaking is progressing. If we miss her cues,
> she immediately goes on the carpet. But if we get her outside, she
> is good about going. And of course she gets lots of praise.
First - congratulations on becoming an educated puppy owner
(as well as a great choice of breed! ;-D).
Make sure you're scheduling her food and take her out every hour
or so, right upon waking (and I mean RIGHT!) and after eating.
At 10 weeks, don't wait for cues - schedule her outings for maximum
success and that praise will be even more beneficial.
> So here's the thing. We just want what other people have. We
> want a dog that never has to be penned or crated, that can be
> trusted in the house at all times.
>
> Maybe it was the dogs we had before, but we could never have that.
>
> My husband thinks that crate training the other two dogs caused
> them to not behave in the house. I think it was the dogs themselves.
>
> So is it possible to crate train a pup and then have it not need to
> be crated as an adult?
You bet - it's how "most" of us do things. Crating young puppies
helps to train their bowel and bladder as well as curb the development
of bad habits.
HOWEVER, over-crating can lead to a puppy not understanding
house manners. Used wisely, a crate is a stepping stone. Used
unwisely and it's a crutch and a disaster.
I use crates only overnight and when I'm not home, and wean from
them gradually. Puppies get crated right next to the bed, for
comfort
and security, as well as getting them used to the sounds and scents
and views of normal bedroom activity.
That way, when I progress them to sleeping in the bedroom OUT
of the crate (but confined by door or gate), they're already used to
people waking and rolling over, cats coming and going, etc.
A crate when you aren't home keep things safe and secure.
The age to wean from that depends on the puppy. When a puppy
is no longer chewing the home goods when you ARE there, it's
time to try leaving without closing the crate (I always leave the
crate available for some period of time - in one case - "forever"
because the dog liked her crate), for short periods of time at first.
This can range dramatically for different puppies. My golden
had full run of the house when I was gone for 8 hours, at the
tender age of 7 months, but other dogs couldn't handle that until
they were closer to 18 months.
A little trail and error and good observation and training is key.
IMO, the goal should always be to be able to give full range freedom.
Have you signed up for a puppy kindergarten class yet?
A great idea that will serve all of you well. Follow up with more
"formal" training and you're on your way to a great dog.
Have you been doing some reading? Lot's of info out there,
some great, some awful, some odd - pick and choose what
you're comfortable with and read a range of opinions for
what works for you and your puppy.
The same principles that work for toddlers generally hold true for
puppies as well - be consistent, be fair, follow through. Be clear
in your requests, reasonable in your expectations, and you'll suceed.
Best of luck - there are a lot of wonderful posters here who
are able to offer a lot of support. There are "other" posters
too - beware of the man behind the curtain! ;-D
[posted and e-mailed]
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Second-hand dogs AREN'T second-rate"
see Lucy at: http://www.flyball.com/nsl/
----------------------------
Until Monday.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
From: Janet B <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:53 -0400
Subject: urinary leaking
Rudy has a vet appointment tomorrow afternoon,
but I thought I'd throw this out here anyway.
Rudy has excitement urination sometimes - if I spend too long before
coming into the house, he may flood his crate. This is generally only
if I've been gone over 4 hours. He does not have water in his crate.
Rudy sleeps through the night (10-6 or 7) and never has an issue with
leaking then. He is housebroken and waits until I let him out.
A few times over the last month, after I've been gone a bit over 5
hours, I've come home, let him out where he pees up a storm, then he
is fed, out again, maybe multiple times (for play, etc) and eliminates
normally. Then he naps. When he's sleeping, he leaks.
Baseball-Softball sized puddle generally. Yesterday, I as home with
him all day, gone for <2 hours in the early evening, and late in the
evening, right before bed, he leaked again while sleeping.
This doesn't strike me as an infection or even a sphincter issue, but
it has me puzzled. He has no idea he's doing it and it doesn't wake
him.
Any thoughts?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
-------------------------
Franklin DIED at age 6 from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
From: Janet Boss <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: waves
Franklin loved the ocean. The bigger the waves, the happier
he was swimming in them. Body surfing maniac. So yesterday,
before the fog rolled in, we set him free in the waves forever, to
join Teddy and Lindy.
For those of you on the east coast, know that you're in
excellent company when swimming in the Atlantic.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Rosci DIED at age 5 from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
HOWEDY sinofabitch,
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:
5mtrs8F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Beth In Alaska" wrote:
>
>> I didn't know that little Rocsi was gone.
Like most of HOWER dog lover's dogs Rosci DIED from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka
The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >
> Since June of last year; lymposarcoma; less than three
> weeks after her 5th birthday. I didn't post about it, for
> a number of reasons.
Yeah. It's EMBARASSING, AIN'T IT <{}: ~ ( >
R.I.P. Rosci <{}:*~ ( >
>> What an awesome little dog.
INDEED?
> She was, indeed.
INDEED:
Stress-induced decline in immune responsiveness in
C3H/HeJ mice: relation to endocrine alterations and
tumor growth.
Kandil O, Borysenko M.
Department of Anatomy and Cellular Biology, Tufts University
School of Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts 02111.
We examined the effect of rotation-induced stress on (1) growth of
lymphosarcoma tumors; (2) interleukin-2 (IL-2) production; (3) T cell
subset distribution; and (4) cytotoxic T cell (CTL) function. In
addition, we examined the levels of corticosterone and beta-endorphin
as possible mediators of stress-induced immune alterations. Rotation
stress induced progressive lymphosarcoma growth, while unstressed mice
showed tumor regression after 2 weeks of growth. IL-2 production and
CTL activity in stressed animals were significantly lower than
controls during the first 2 weeks after initiation of stress. Spleen
lymphocytes from stressed and control mice bearing the L3T4 antigen
(helper/inducer T cell marker) remained unchanged, while in peripheral
blood such cells decreased in stressed but not control animals. This
latter pattern was also observed in Lyt 2 positive (suppressor/
cytotoxic) cells of both spleen and peripheral blood. Corticosterone
levels were elevated for an extended period following initiation of
stress, while beta-endorphin levels remained similar to those of the
controls. Although these data do not directly establish a causal link
between immunoinhibition and tumor growth, they clearly demonstrate
that stress inhibits a number of cell-mediated immune functions that
may be relevant in this regard.
Psychological depression and 17-year risk of death from cancer
RB Shekelle, WJ Raynor Jr, AM Ostfeld, DC Garron, LA Bieliauskas,
SC Liu, C Maliza and O Paul
Psychological depression, measured in 1957-1958 by the Minnesota
Multiphasic Personality Inventory at the baseline examination of 2,020
middle-aged employed men, was associated (p less than 0.001) with a
twofold increase in odds of death from cancer during 17 years of
follow-up. The association did not vary appreciably in magnitude among
the early (1958-1962), middle (1963-1968), and later (1969-1974) years
of follow-up, persisted after adjustment for age, cigarette smoking,
use of alcohol, family history of cancer, and occupational status, and
was apparently not specific to any particular site or type of cancer.
This result, predicted in advance on the basis of findings by other
investigators, is consistent with the hypothesis that psychological
depression is related to impairment of mechanisms for preventing the
establishment and spread of malignant cells.
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"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
sinofabitch writes:
> > What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
> > took posts from two different people,
> > took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> > cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> > then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> > and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> > Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> > The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> > when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> > and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.
> > is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
Here's Jerry's version
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
Here's yours:
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
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"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in
messagenews:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> I can't imagine needing anything higher
> than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> dog like a Lab.
I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?
> > My dogs are not human children wearing
> > fur- they are DOGS.
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL
LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and MURDER.
LIKE THIS:
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63...@4ax.com...
Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
---------------
From: Tara <tara.gre...@verizon.net
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003
Subject: Re: Bad morning (vent)
BethF wrote:
> "ThePuppyWizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@netscape.net>
> wrote in message
> News:3E57C32F.7070...@netscape.net...
>> Would you NOT spray BINACA in her eyes for this?
> You know, Jerry, it would probably behoove you to
> pick on me about something that i didn't say was the
> stupidest thing i ever did to my dog, wouldn't it?
> Why don't you choose something that i currently do,
> or something i approve of instead, because quite
> frankly this is ancient history.
Oh C'mon Beth, don't be a spoilsport. He's got to be
able to grasp at *something*.....and straws are SO
hard to come by these days.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise," BINACA bethFIST <{) ; ~ ) >
Tara
From: "BethF" <d...@alaskaREMOVETHIS.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:18:14 -0800
Subject: Re: update: Re: RPDB gang, please welcome Frodo. (long)
The dark green liquid is what my boy puked when he
had a blockage. This is why I asked.
We had to have ours removed - I do hope it moves out on its own.
Although I will tell you that the recovery for the surgery was much
easier on the dog than waiting for the dang blockage to pass.
He was so sick and in so much pain, but the day after the
surgery he felt much better (although the night after the
surgery was a toughie) and wanted to run and play.
All fingers, toes and tails crossed for a quick passage of
whatever is in your little buggger.
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
BikeE FX, AT, RANS gliss and Trek R200
Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy)
Anchorage, Alaska
From: "BethF" <d...@alaskaREMOVETHIS.com> -
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in
message
news:81q1ptk2so6qf73kb...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 01:14:35 +0100, "roo"
> <r...@kanga.net> wrote:
> >> >Yell quiet, walk over and spray him in the mouth
> >> >with it. He hates the binaca so it works, however
> >> >I hit him in the face once and that was the end of that.
>
> >> Geez. You're lucky you didn't damage his eyes or
> >> something. How about this: you ignore him when he
> >> barks, and praise him when he's quiet so he
> >> learns what "quiet" means. And if you're gone,
> >> he's in the house. Not too many dogs bark
> >> problematically when they're in the
> >> house
> >> Sally Hennessey
> > I get the idea that greyhounds aren't problem
> > barkers! Mine will bark anywhere, and when
> > they are lying down. They are a barky breed mix.
> > But I gave up water pistols with Rug years back after
> > they stopped working - the initial shock did shut him
> > up, then he got used to it.
> Not normally. But Greyhounds aren't the only breed I
> have, and I have had problem barkers. Northern
> breeds don't tend to be barkers either, though they
> can be talkers or rooers. I believe Beth has a
> Sammy; I have Siberians. It's true that I have no
> experience with typically barky breeds such as
> Shelties. Regardless of my level of experience
> with barky breeds, I still don't think that spraying
> Binaca in a dog's mouth (or in its face, if you
> miss) is a good way to handle barking.
Actually, the most common use of this technique (and
it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce either mixed
with water in a spray bottle or on a rag that you can
stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying (after our
experience I would suggest this method if I was going
to use this technique again). My dog likes tabasco so
that didnt' work for us. Binaca was suggested as an
alternative from a very well respected dog trainer
from the lower 48, however I don't think she counted
on his flailing his head in a desperate attempt to get
away from the sprayer causing me to miss. His vet
reassured me that the binaca could do no serious
damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly - he just
wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed it
out (which he seemed more pissed about than the actual
spray). We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your assessment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs the
drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some big
time discouragement to get rid of it. To be quite
frank after trying months and months of different
techniques the binaca was the only thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as a good
idea in case of issues like mine).
-------------------------
"Beth F" <d...@spamthis.alaska.com> wrote:
"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That
Izzy Can Put Simon In His Place."
"Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that."
"Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss."
"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most
of the dogs I have in classes just aren't that interested
in praise."
"I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars. It prevents any jerking or
choking on their part."
"My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he
feels making noise is VERY important (for example
this week walking through the state fair he kept barking
away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar."
"i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar."
"Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously."
"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
news:us2r444...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Chris Mortimer" <chr...@somta.co.za> wrote in message
> news:3dc0e5bb$0$18...@hades.is.co.za...
> snip
Chris, why dont' you give one example where one
of the regulars here has suggested someone hit,
alpha-roll, choke-chain a dog?
"BethF" b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com
wrote in message
news:v4r8kkf...@corp.supernews.com...
Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just
a matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away
is to step on him once. Seriously.
------------------
From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003
Subject: Treats
From: BethF (d...@alaskaDRINKME.com)
Subject: Re: For Michael
Date: 2002-07-07 02:08:12 PST
>> I know of three dogs we tried electric shock collars on and both were
>> VERY sensitive and freaked out about the shocks. None of those dogs were
>> phased by the citronella collar, particularly. It was clearly a
>> deterrent but no one behaved as if it was particularly distressing.
>> My dog in particular will ignore the citronella if he feels making noise
>> is VERY important (for example this week walking through the state fair
>> he kept barking away, and didn't even seem to notice) but was WAY
>> freaked out by the low setting on the shock collar.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Whoops, there is more to this post - ok Here's what's accurate. You
> shocked, you sprayed binaca at your dog's face and were stupid enough to
> be "surprised" that he would desperately try to avoid the stinging.
> You citronella'd, you undoubtedly choked, at some point (denials
> notwithstanding) and I'm sure it got "ugly" many times in six months, like
> like it got ugly for Diddy in the six months before she decided to lock a
> "rescue" dog in an electrified horse stall to keep him from running away.
actually binaca in your mouth doesnt' sting.
it just doesnt' taste like something kavik likes.
binaca in the eyes is another story.
i didn't EVER shock kavik. i myself have never
touched a shock collar.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> FurtherMOORE, you went to GREAT GREAT GREAT lengths
> to blame your folly and ineptitude on the fact that your dog was
> "insensitive" and you went to even greater lengths to blame your
> folly and ineptitude on his "breed."
He is insensitive and he is bred to bark. I don't
BLAME any of this on him, i picked out his breed.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> The people who are your "mentors" and "gurus" are big fat brainless
> Alaskan sized heifers who will try any amount of pain or force to stop a
> behavior because they aren't smart enough to accomplish the task in
> another way.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> They taught you well.
Some of the folks at the club do use pain to
train their dogs, but i avoid them.
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
> > so you aren't human!! do tell Michael!
> I believe the technical term is superhuman. have a nice day...
I see. Are you like the bionic man?
---------------------
From: BethF (d...@alaska.com)
Subject: Re: to treat or not to treat
Date: 2002-01-14 12:50:27 PST
> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:8TI%7.10635$du.9...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> > And you jerk and choke your dogs on pronged spiked pinch
> > choke collars lock them in boxes and call that training and
> > spray Binaca in their eyes to quite their crate anxiety barking...
I dont' jerk or choke my dog (the little one is
too little yet for a pinch collar). They simply
wear pinch collars.
It prevents any jerking or choking on their part.
I do crate my dogs - the big one only at the dog
club and to travel, and the little one so he can
become accustomed to being in a crate.
He is learning to enjoy it and to use it as a place
to rest from the playing that he and Kavik do
.
I used binaca to quiet Kavik's in class whining
that disturbed the class. It would be quite difficult
to binaca a dog that is in a crate.
I did hit him in the eye accidentally, and stopped
using it at that time. Jerry, have you NEVER made
an error in training the dogs you have trained?
How many dogs have you trained exactly?
Can you list some references here - I
would like to contact some of your former
clients to get a reference or two?
> > > "Andy" <behm_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:40a09641.02010...@posting.google.com...
> > > > I am just trying to see everyone stands on treats or rewards for
> > > > obedience?
>
> > > > Andy
> > "BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
> > news:u3uajqi...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > > I treat.
> > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop Merlin MTB, BikeE AT,
> >> RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike Owned by Kavik
> >> (Samoyed Boy) Anchorage, Alaska
"but was WAY freaked out by the low
setting on the shock collar."
---------------
From: BethF (d...@alaskaREMOVETHIS.com)
Subject: Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Date: 2001-09-04 13:09:25 PST
Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes t
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss.
His vet reassured me that the binaca could do no
serious damage, nor did it seem to hurt him badly -
he just wiped his eye for a minute or so until I rinsed
it out (which he seemed more pissed about than the
actual spray).
We went to the vet immediately who called me a
jewish mother and sent us home.
but I think that your assessment of to handle barking
is based on your non-barking breeds - in some dogs
the drive to bark is REALLY big, and it takes some
big time discouragement to get rid of it.
To be quite frank after trying months and months
of different techniques the binaca was the only
thing that worked.
I wouldn't discredit the concept (although I do
most certainly discredit the binaca sprayer as
a good idea in case of issues like mine)
--
-Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
Subject: Re: Mr Huffy-Puffy needs an attitude adjustment
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi...@spamfreeclearwire.net>
wrote in message news:13hlhok...@corp.supernews.com
He's so much less balls to the walls than my friends GSD
that I have trouble seeing the comparison. She's also not
cuddly - she's a bit aloof like Kavik was before Tok. And
pirate is a love sponge.
But honestly my experience with GSDS are limited to my
friends (the one who bit me) and Rex dog, who I got at age
11 and who was terribly poorly socialized and trained and
was bizarre.
----------------
Subject: Mr Huffy-Puffy needs an attitude adjustment
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi...@spamfreeclearwire.net>
wrote in message news:13hj1vg...@corp.supernews.com...
Pirate has his first nickname: Mr Huffy-Puffy.
Sometimes when he is on the bed, and someone moves-
maybe near him, maybe not, he will bitch and complain .
Its not quite a growl, its not a bark. It seems like a bitch.
sometimes he goes from bitching to playing quickly so
maybe its NOT bitching. No sign of nipping or biting
during the bitching.
Since I'm not sure what it is, we've mostly ignored it
(except to say "Oh cut it out Mr Huffy-Puffy") but if
it IS bitching, maybe I should extinguish it - better
safe than sorry. He is a dog whose very mouthy, so
I would say nipping is in the realm of possibility.
I thought that a very simple, and appropriate way to extinguish
this would just be to put Mr Huffy-Puffy on the floor if he
"bitches". Takes him away from whats making him bitchy and
doesnt' encourage the behavior.
what do you think?
---------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002
Subject: Re: 3 puppies bro and sisters fighting [ninny BethFat]
Jerry Howe wrote:
> HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
> "BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
> news:ut54bk3...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > Why don't you return one of the puppies?
>
> Geez Binaca bethFIST. As a dog trainer, you'll put yourself
> right outta business like THAT. Makes my job EZ, don't it.
> But NO THANK YOU Binaca
>
> bethFIST. Your advice is ill founded. FurtherMOORE,
> you're a liar and a dog abuser, Binaca bethFIST.
>
> > Raising three puppies is going to be quite difficult.
>
> Only if you punish confine hurt and intimidate them as
> you and your lying dog abusing Thug coward pals do.
>
> > Especially two female littermates.
> Because you don't know HOWE to train dogs
> not to fight, Binaca bethFIST.
>
> That's on account of you're a dog abuser, Binaca bethFIST.
>
> > I gather that two female littermates often have aggression issues later,
>
> INDEED. They LEARN that from their ABUSERS.
>
> > so I would suggest returning one of the females.
>
> The dogs are FINE, Binaca bethFIST. It's YOU who has to GO,
> Binaca bethFIST. You're a liar and a dog abuser.
>
> > "dorothy" <adair...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:7965f1a8.02111...@posting.google.com...
> > > hi im new here and i just got threee new puppies. one male two
> HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
> "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
> news:uss69ad...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Jim Simas" <j...@technolith.com> wrote in message
> > news:3DCD49FD...@technolith.com...
> > > Alison,
>
> alison is a cretin, like you, Binaca bethFIST.
>
> > > She lives outside.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. Dogs LIVE outside, they're ANIMALS.
>
> > > But is in the house part of the day.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. Dogs are versatile and EZily habituated to our desires.
>
> > > She usually barks in the morning.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. That's EZ to break.
>
> > > I think to tell us she wants in or some attention.
>
> NO PROBLEMO. We'll break the barking in a
> few minutes over a day or two.
>
> > > I tell her to stop but it usually doesn't do any good.
>
> RIGHT. Dogs DON'T LIKE being told "NO!"
>
> > jim, then why don't you let her in AND give her attention,
>
> Because that doesn't suite his lifestyle, Binaca bethFIST.
>
> > that way you could be sure the barking would stop
>
> Because YOU can't train a dog not to bark, Binaca bethFIST.
> At least, you can't train a dog not to bark without HURTING
> him. That's what you use the Binaca eye spray for..
From: michael <c...@dogtv.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:58:12 GMT
Subject: Re: 3 puppies bro and sisters fighting [ninny BethFat]
I got nothin' MOORE to add Jer. As usual, you hit all the
bases with our one and only Queen of Avoidance and
Incompetence, BethFat.
She gets OFFENDED whenever somebody shows up here
with a behavior problem. "Why don't you get rid of a dog?"
She can't believe that people actually DEAL with dog behavior
problems instead of AVOIDING them.
But she don't ignore barking from her "little turd" Kavik.
She shocks, scolds, screams, chokes, prongs, citronellas and
does whatever it takes, for months and months until Kavik is
sufficiently psychologically damaged that he's terrified to
do something completely natural.
Bark.
Let's look for epilepsy problems from our pal Kavik in the
future, due to BethFat's constant "Toxic Mommy" approach to
dog berating and abusing. She doesn't "Train" dogs for their
own good. She berates and abuses them so she can avoid
getting EMBARRASSED in front of the dummies friends
and "experts"
BWAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
at her local bumfreakin' nowhere Alaska Dog Training club.
Carry on, Wiz
----------------
Thank You, Soup <{}: ~ ) >
LUCKY THING Kavik DROPPED DEAD from BARKIN
Let's go here, shall we?:
Subject: Re: the one-dog two-dog dilemma
<compton.chri...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:
1188316449.906468.8...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > "Beth In Alaska" bethi...@spamfreeclearwire.net
wrote in message
> > news:13d7fqv...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> "Tara" <notha...@verizon.not> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns999A13CF579DCta...@130.81.64.196...
> >> > "Beth In Alaska" <bethi...@spamfreeclearwire.net> wrote in
> >> > news:13d7ah6...@corp.supernews.com:
>
> >> >> I'm really torn about getting another dog. Life is easier with
> >> >> one, but I'm thinking its better for Tok to have company when
> >> >> we work.
>
> >> >> Whats your opinion? And I'm considerinng putting out on the
> >> >> alaska dog people list to "borrow" a dog for a week and see how
> >> >> Tok feels.
>
> >> >> Is this stupid?
>
> >> > Wait.....what did I miss. We're missing a Kavik. Did a sad
> >> > thing happen? Tara
>
> >> Kavik died very suddenly when we were on vacation in july.
>
> >> Apparently, he probably had a blood clot in his brain and he died
> >> instantly. Been very difficult not only because he was young and
> >> healthy, but because we weren't here.
>
> > Oh Beth, I'm so very sorry to hear about Kavik.
>
> > It's understandable how devastated you feel about not being there.
>
> > How tragic.
>
> toks never been without a dog in his whole life . And he loves dogs.
> And he gets along with ALL dogs. But finding a dog that meets my
> "child friendly" standards isn't going to be easy.
>
> And one dog is more obile - like I can walk tok and push a
> stroller at the same time. but not two dogs.
First, walking two trained dogs is no problem. Using a
tandem lead to "split" your leash. Walk your dogs a few
times without strollers, and you'll see.
Second, finding a dog that's child friendly is not impossible.
There's a lady who runs German Shepherd Rescue from
Anchorage. She's very smart & knowledgable.
---------------------------------
HOWEDY BINACA bethFIST,
"Child" <d...@alaskaSPAMFREE.com> wrote in message
news:109itp7...@corp.supernews.com...
> Ok, you guys tell me what you think of this situation:
For SHORE!
> Its summer and we moved into our current home in December. The house has
> a lovely large yard, which has a chain link fence on one side. All winter
> long that yard was empty, however the yard now sometimes contains a golden
> retreiver. Boys saw the golden once over the winter, but it appeared to
> be afraid to walk in the snow, so it just snarled and barked from a path
> near the house. However, the snow is finally gone, so all dogs can run to
> the fence.
>
> Kavik goes out first and things go fine. Dog and he sniffing through
> fence, wagging tails. Toklat is allowed to join them. He runs up to
> fence, tail wagging. Golden attacks fence, Tok barks. Kavik then attacks
> Tok.
Perhaps you should spray him in the eyes again with BINACA.
> He was actually biting him,
IMAGINE? You mean like culprit aka kelly's and suja's
dogs attacking each other? Or do you mean like leah and
liea's dogs attacking other dogs?
Or do you mean like the rest of HOWER
dog lover's dogs attacking each other?
> although did no damage and Toklat didn't seem particularly
> upset about it, but it wasnt' play, certainly.
Well, so long as he didn't mind.
> I think Kavik was fearful when the dog attacked and
> became overstimulated and took it out on Tok.
Yeah. She was probably copying your behavior.
> What do you think?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard thinks you should
keep your dogs indoors and only let them HOWET
when there's no neighbor's dogs arHOWEND like
your pal Master Of Deception blankman does to
manage her dog's dog aggression and barking.
OR, you could let them fight it HOWET as you
recommended for Simon and Izzy. Just stand by
with the hose like HOWE tara o. aka tee recommends
if she hasn't MURDERED the dog for turning on her
when she jerked and choked it on her pronged spiked
pinch choke collar to make them friendly.
> Situation is being remedied (working with Golden owner)
> and things are going well.
Yeah. No dHOWET.
That's HOWE COME you're askin for heelp.
> Dogs doing better together.
INDEED?
So you're writing here to tell us you've been SUCCESSFUL!
WONderful!
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Subject: teaching pirate about other peoples stuff
"Beth In Alaska" <bethi...@spamfreeclearwire.net>
wrote in message news:13ggu3h...@corp.supernews.com...
Pirates worst habit is that he does not understand
that other dogs bone.toy.ball.snack is NOT his.
Today my friends GSD scared the crap out of him and us
when he came too close to her toy. She tackled him as he
ran away and rolled him with her giant teeth on his little neck.
We were hoping she'd break him of this habit but her reaction
was OVER THE TOP and may or may not have been effective
in teaching him not to touch her stuff. It may also have been
effective in making him frightened of strange dogs for the rest
of his little life.
So other than other dogs correcting what else can i do? I mean,
I can tell him not to touch toks stuff, but....its not the same.
---------------------------
Subject: Re: Unusual dog problem - Unable To Control
The Environment Enough To Make It Fun
Date: 2002-09-18 14:03:36 PST
HOWEDY Binaca bethFIST,
"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
news:uohnj3r...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Maybe that's what we should do - hold back
> > the dobie girl so that Izzy can put Simon in
> > his place.
Suppose one of them loses an eye?
Would that matter to you? It IS only NATURAL.
Ain't it? I mean, nobody can prevent an eye getting
knocked out when we encourage our dogs to fight
to train dogs to be NICE.
Would that be BAD LUCK, or bad training, Binaca bethFIST?
Try spraying a shot of Binaca in his eyes. That
always works for you, don't it Binaca bethFIST?
Don't go away just yet, I want to go over a couple
things with you just so's were CLEAR about where
we're at and where we're goin with all this...
That's about the stupidest thing I can think of.
HOWEver, I KNOW you can think of a myriad
of things STUPIDER to do to a dog and try to
justify it as being training.
Sure it might work, but it's not appropriate under any
circumstances. You could teach them to attack other
dogs on sight, no PUN intended.
> This sounds like it might help Simon get a clue.
I think if I saw you doin that, I'd have you arrested and
prosecuted for animal abuse, Binaca bethFIST.
Perhaps your posts here would be enough for prosecution?
I'll have to look into that.
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"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
news:ugc7us3...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Frank" <flmarc...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.02061...@posting.google.com...
> > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
<news:20020610173326...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > "brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote: I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > AGREED with what you had to say. I find it sick to hear what people do
> > > with their dogs.
>
> > Keep in mind that everything he says that the regular posters of this
> > ng do to their dogs are lies.
> > All of it. Every last bit.
>
> All of it?
:
> Ear pinching?
:
> Shock collars?
:
> Spiked chokers?
:
> The regulars lie more in their denials than Howe
> does in his accusing of them.
:
Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
would see denials when everyone has Jerry
killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
let alone respond to them.
=====================
From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning"
<rainm...@att.net> wrote:
> I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware he is doing it either...it's
> like a seizure when he goes nuts, I can't even make eye contact with him,
> he's on some other planet. NOTHING reaches him. no, not a Samoyed.
> actually a breed I researched very carefully....sigh.
I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was a
bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize with
you - i received a great deal of hostility for not getting
my dogs barking and whining under control at the dog
club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard enough.
I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark
and treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco)
and NOTHING worked.
Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that.
Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went
for a four mile walk. IT took about an hour.
In that hour Kavik barked basically the entire
time.
Not AT anything, not because he was
insecure, unhappy or any of the other
reasons folks here are going to tell me
that dogs bark - he barked for sheer joy.
BARK BARK BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK.
I actually timed the amount of time he wasn't
barking and it was a total of 7 minutes in 58
minutes. And because its outdoors, and in a
place where folks aren't sleeping, I don't worry
about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive.
I also don't correct him when we are skiing - but
if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!
In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar.
He understands that when he is wearing it, he shouldn't
bark, at this point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And
I have been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when left
alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks to
entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax about the
collar and he doesnt' wear it for several weeks while in
these situations the training wears off - so basically
i do it randomly - once in awhile he wears the collar as
a reminder.
Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of training
to MY applying the aversive - i am not the bad guy and
he is completely in control of the correction.
Clearly he understands what causes the correction.
And I am not counting on my own powers of timing
and accuracy to create the correction.
--
--BethF, Anchorage, AK
--------------
AND THEN Kavik DROPPED DEAD from a brain hemorhage
when he BARKED HISSELF TO DEATH from "separation
anXXXIHOWESNESS" while bein boarded.
Dogs bark cause they're anxiHOWES AFRAID
and INSECURE from being locked in boxes and
jerked and choked on pronged spiked pinch choke
collars and shocked and stepped on and sprayed
in the face with aversives, not cause they're being
little TURDS and HAVIN FUN.
From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST
On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT,
"Lane Browning"
<rainm...@att.net> wrote:
>I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware he is
>doing it either...it's like a seizure when he goes
>nuts, I can't even make eye contact with him,
>he's on some other planet. NOTHING reaches
>him.
>
>no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed I researched
>very carefully....sigh.
I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.
I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.
Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.
Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,
I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive.
I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!
In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar. He understands that
when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this
point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.
Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.
--BethF, Anchorage, AK
"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
news:uq3bd4...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Spanky" <nee...@knowbasis.only> wrote in message
> news:061020021938290610%nee...@knowbasis.only... In article
> <uq0uk8h376r...@corp.supernews.com>, BethF
> <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote:
> > I am unsure if the dog wants to "kill" the cat or just see it.
Unless we have seen him attack viciously an animal while
doing this bark I wouldn't assume its aggression, it may just
be excitement.
how long have the cat and dog been together now?
> It's been 3 weeks so far.
This is a really short time, and I suspect since the dog has
lived with cats previously, he will be able to live with one now.
> The cat will at times come out on his own. He's beginning to learn the
> safe zones, when the dog is on the leash or in his crate. But it's coming
> along very slowly, and the cat is almost i mpossible to work with now
> because he ignores food reinforcers whenever the dog is visible or
> audible. Speaking to the cat often occasions barking by the dog, so it's
> a tough cycle to break, short of putting one of them outside the house,
> which is impractical for the sort of "catch 'em being good" incidental
> training that I like to always have going.
Ok, so you are a clicker trainer and you want to solve this
with reward. I have the feeling in time it will work its way
out, but in the meantime I would concentrate on the reward
of the dog for not behaving like a freak.
The cat will calm down enough where you have a reasonable
threshhold (it might be in the next room, but the dog might be
audible and not visible) to work with with the cat.
I think you just need patience, and to keep that
dog on a leash alot of the time.
Does the cat have claws???
> Yes, but he probably won't use them with the dog unless he's cornered. He
> tries to escape first. And since the dog just had surgery (and we don't
> want him or the cat hurt otherwise), I'd rather not find out what the dog
> would do should he get a swipe or two from the cat :)
Sometimes positive punishment (i.e. a cat swipe)
is a very quick way to learn ;-)
I think that you might join one of the yahoo clicker groups
and pose your questions there - pat miller of peacable paws
often comes up with some pretty innovative desensitization ideas.
--------------------------
Sometimes a kat swipe can knock out a dog's eyes...
Sometimes even a small dog can kill a kat...
Sounds like this is a good time for a Binaca Blast,
wouldn't you agree, Binaca bethFIST?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you can't post
here abHOWETS noMOORE cause you're a dog
abuser a liar a coward and active accute chronic
life long incurable pathetic punk thug malignant
mental case, BINACA bethFIST.
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"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter
selbst vergebens!" -Friedrich Schiller.
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves
contend in vain."
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
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