VACCINE SEMINAR Drs. W. Jean Dodds & Ronald Schultz
Kris L. Christine
*_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._Jean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_
A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .
*_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_
The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
(http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."
--
Kris L. Christine
Avid Fan
Good grief!
It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
cost effective health measure you can possibly do.
You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.
Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog every
year for Parvo and Heartworm.
I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
still alive.
If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have to
live with for the rest of your lives.
Morons!
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
We KNOW ***(accordin to your own POSTED CASE HISTORY)
that you APPEAR to be CLUELESS an CONfHOWENDED an
INCAPABLE an INCOMPETENT; THAT AIN'T NO CRIME, bein
CLUELESS an CONfHOWENDED an INCAPABLE an INCOMPETENT;
HOWEver, it IS a CRIME when you CLUELESS an CONfHOWENDED
an INCAPABLE an INCOMPETENT fellHOWE dog lovers spread your
LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE here on The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory Archives <{}';~ ) >
PLEASE LEAVE THAT TO THE EXXXPERT VETERINARY
MALPRACTICIONERS an PROFESSIONAL OBEDIENCE
TRAINERS an SHELTER an RESCUE dog lovers who've
been blowin smoke up HOWER arses for forty sumpthin years;
blowin smoke up folk's arses is ALWAYS RISKY on accHOWENTA
at SOME point all that smoke is gonna blow back into your own
doGdameneD faces; THINK PHYSICS <{}:~ ) >
I'm currently CONsultin a PHYSICIST to formulate the amHOWENT an
PRESSURE ***(every action got a equal an opposite reaction) necessary
to adequately inflate the lower BHOWEL witHOWET riskin HURTIN yourself
or gettin that disgustin blowback into your snoot <{}:~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Raw food advantages / dangers
It's Charley Santos *(again) from Klyster Engineering, just
kinda fillin-in for The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard
an HEELPIN HIM work HOWET the intracacies of the ALL-
IMPORTANT "Brain - Butt" CONnection:
http://klyster.com/custom/index.html
"Avid Fan" <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote in message
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> Kris L. Christine wrote:
>> *_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._Jean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_
>>
>> A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
>> 28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
>> Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
>> this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
>> 'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .
>>
>> *_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_
>>
>> The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
>> 'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
>> (http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
>> owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
>> 'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
>> where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."
>
> Good grief!
INDEED??
> It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most cost
> effective health measure you can possibly do.
CITES PLEASE?
> You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies!
INDEEDY. It's a SCAM puportrated by the big pharma industry.
Rabies vaccination is EFFECTIVE for the ENTIRE LIFE of the dog.
These SCAM ARTISTS won't admit the TRUTH -- otherWIZE they'd
GO HOWETA BUSINESS; annual vaccinations and surgical sexual
mutilations are the only revenue the veterinary malpractice INDUSTRY
can depend on <{}:~ ( >
> You are all mad.
INDEEDY~! MAD AS HEEL~!~!~!
The REPUTABLE veterinarians sponsoring the RABIES CHALLENGE FUND
are only interested in the SAFEST, MOST EFFECTIVE PREVENTATIVE methods;
EXXXCESSIVE VACCINATIONS NEGATE the initial vaccination and CAUSE
VACCINOSIS <{}:~( >
> Luckily where I live we do not have rabies.
Well then, the discussions PROBABLY AIN'T nuthin you'd be
familiar with, unless of curse, you're a veterinary malpracticioner.
> I do vaccinate my dog every year for Parvo and Heartworm.
INDEED? HOWE COME?? THAT'S ABSURD and INSANE; Parvo DON'T
KILL dogs, it's the VETERINARY MALPRACTICES like EXXXCESSIVE
VACCINATIONS and CONstant ANTHELMINTICS which KILLS dogs <{}:~ ( >
> I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago -
That's ABSURD and INSANE <{}:~ ( >
> guess what, I am still alive.
INDEEDY~!
HOWEver, that's just for TODAY; vaccinosis is CUMULATIVE.
> If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the time
> symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your dog goes
> all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have
> to live with for the rest of your lives.
But of curse~!
> Morons!
"MORONS"? They're the only HONEST veterinarians CHALLENGING
the CROOKED vets who SELL you veterinary apuproved TOXINS at
the EXXXPENSE of your dogs' LIFE <{}:~ ( >
You want "MORONS", avid fan?
Here's "MORON" for you, avid fan, taken from
YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY:
"Avid Fan" <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote in message
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> Char wrote:
> Traditional training techniques are based on the idea that we must become
> the dominant leader and rule our pets the way a wolf would rule a pack.
> That is, they assume most misbehavior in dogs is due to the dog is trying
> to be dominant and then they employ techniques that they think a wolf
> (since dogs are seen as having a social structure similar to wolves) would
> perform in a wolf pack. In order to evaluate whether this reasoning is
> valid, we must first understand what dominance is.
>
> Dominance is not a personality trait. If you take four individuals, each
> who is the highest ranked member of its group and put them together in a
> new group, they will fight and establish a rank order of 1-4 between them.
> Thus only one of the individuals who was ranked highest in its own group
> will have highest rank now.
>
> Having a stable rank does not mean the situation is peaceful. Rank is
> maintained through ritualistic aggressive acts on the part of the higher
> ranked individual and appeasement or deference on the part of the lower
> ranked individual. In many groups, once rank is obtained, individuals can
> then forge stronger bonds though mutual grooming or other bonding
> behaviors. Some alpha individuals have more aggressive styles of
> maintaining rank while others have a calm, more subtle style. Different
> species also have different tendencies. For instance macaques monkey are
> notoriously despotic and aggressive and removal of the high ranked
> individual for just several hours can result in immediate restructuring
> (fighting) within the group. Similarly with mixed packs of wolves, such as
> occurs in captivity, removal of higher ranked wolves can lead a need to
> re-establish rank once the individual is reintroduced. Note that this
> model of group structure and leadership is similar to what occurs on shows
> such as the Sopranos and Madmen.
>
> Wolves in the wild generally do not gain their high rank by fighting
> their way to the top. Instead a male and female breed and the pack is a
> family unit comprised of the parents and the offspring. The parents
> naturally become the leaders. The offspring naturally follow their lead.
> As a result of this discovery regarding pack structure, wolf biologists no
> longer even use the term alpha with wild wolf packs.
>
> http://askdryin.com/dominance.php?act=play&mov=1#end
Interesting article. I can see the relevance to rescue dogs or dogs
that have been beaten in to submission. Does any body do that any more?
With one exception.
When my dog was being aggressive with another dog I grabbed my and
pushed it onto the ground in a submission pose (that is what I was told
to do) by experts. It did not work!! I mean it usually worked at one
meeting 50% of the time. I found a better way was to put my dog on the
lead an take it for a walk and let it forget about it then release it
latter.
I now put my dog on the lead and walk it away and release it again
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SUCCESS~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Avid Fan" <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote in message
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> Char wrote:
> Avid Fan wrote:
>> Char wrote:
>> Interesting article. I can see the relevance to rescue dogs or dogs
>> that have been beaten in to submission. Does any body do that any more?
>>
>> With one exception.
>>
>> When my dog was being aggressive with another dog I grabbed my and pushed
>> it onto the ground in a submission pose (that is what I was told to do)
>> by experts. It did not work!! I mean it usually worked at one meeting
>> 50% of the time. I found a better way was to put my dog on the lead an
>> take it for a walk and let it forget about it then release it latter.
>
>> I now put my dog on the lead and walk it away and release it again
>
> I guess dogs know fake submission when they see it, huh? So much for the
> experts.
Indeed. But nothing seems to work 100%. My dog was on an off leash
beach we went into the bush behind it. I saw a Kangaroo and immediately
called my dog. Too late my saw it first dog was all exited and chased
it ( have never seen my dog truly bite anything other than its food) The
Kangaroo was much faster which is just as well as have extremely
powerful hind legs and can easily disembowel a dog if cornered.
I normally have pretty good recall on my dog but in truly dangerous
situations you which they will come back to you. I feel sorry for the
Kangaroo too. I don't want wildlife scared out of their mind or injured
in the chase.
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SUCCESS~!~!~!
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Avid Fan" <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote in message
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> Yesterday morning my 6 year old pit mix woke up listless. She isn't
> eating or drinking. Her stool is normal and she isn't vomiting. She
> must be running a fever, because she is panting all the time. This is
> a dog that is never sick. Average walks - 5 times a week, 4 miles
> each time. Top quality dog food. She also is a 100 lb couch potato
> the rest of the time.
>
> DH isn't crazy about spending money on vets. (of course she was spayed)
She needs to go to a vet. I fear the news will not be good.
If you want an Internet diagnosis I think she has a faulty heart valve.
She is panting because her lungs are filling with fluid and she can't
breathe. Sorry.
If I am right, which lets face it, is less than average.
Medication will give you another 1 good year together
Hope I am wrong.
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INDEED?
PERHAPS it was a PAINIC ATTACK CAUSED BY the
unnecessary inapupriate surgical sexual MUTILATION
that's CAUSED her problem?
"Avid Fan" <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote in message
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AW wrote:
> Today she quit panting and she doesn't seem as hot.
> We are giving her small plungerful's of water. She still isn't
> drinking or eating on her own.
She really does need to see a Vet immediately.
I know Vets are expensive but it is part of the responsibility
of owning a dog.
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LIKE SURGICAL SEXUAL MUTILATION and EXXXCESSIVE VACCINATIONS <{}:~ ( >
"Avid Fan" <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote in message
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starcat wrote:
> "AW" <see_addres...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:q0ong5tv18ht648nn...@4ax.com...
>> Today she quit panting and she doesn't seem as hot.
>> We are giving her small plungerful's of water. She still isn't
>> drinking or eating on her own.
>
> Poor baby is suffering. She's in a huge amount of pain. Why you haven't
> taken her to a vet is beyond me. It's like if you had appendicitis and
> stayed at home - THAT's what you're putting her through. TAKE HER TO A
> VET!
From what has been said and the lack of information from the OP
I would say she (the dog) is dead and died a bad death.
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The dog was PROBABLY EXXXPERIENCING PAINIC ATTACKS
as a direct result of surgical sexual mutilation OR the TOXIC effects
of EXXXCESSIVE VACCINATION, e.g.: STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}:~ ( >
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
sighthounds & siberians
<avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote:
>Kris L. Christine wrote:
>> *_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._Jean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_
>>
>> A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
>> 28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
>> Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
>> this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
>> 'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .
>>
>> *_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_
>>
>> The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
>> 'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
>> (http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
>> owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
>> 'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
>> where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."
>
>
>Good grief!
>
> It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
>cost effective health measure you can possibly do.
>
>You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.
Did you even read what's on the linked web site? No, you didn't,
because if you had, you'd know that no one wants to stop vaccinating
against rabies. The goal is to determine the duration of immunity and
extend vaccination intervals accordingly.
>
>Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog every
>year for Parvo and Heartworm.
Where I live you don't vaccinate against heartworm, but I would never
vaccinate my dog every year against anything. It's unnecessary, and
while it's possible that such overvaccination doesn't cause any harm,
it's also possible that it contributes to autoimmune conditions.
>Morons!
What's really moronic is offering opinions when you clearly don't
understand what's being discussed.
Char
> Kris L. Christine wrote:
>> *_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._Jean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_
>>
>>
>> A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
>> 28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
>> Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
>> this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
>> 'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .
>>
>> *_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_
>>
>> The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
>> 'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
>> (http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
>> owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
>> 'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
>> where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."
>
>
> Good grief!
>
> It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
> cost effective health measure you can possibly do.
How is repeating a vaccine over and over when a dog is already immune
cost effective?
>
> You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.
Dogs that have never been vaccinated can show antibodies to rabies. It's
called natural immunity. The facts show that repeated vaccinations cause
severe damage to dogs and hurt instead of help.
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
>
> Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog every
> year for Parvo and Heartworm.
Parvo is a puppy disease. Why get it on older dogs? And heartworm
doesn't bother raw fed dogs. It's just not an issue.
>
> I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
> still alive.
Yep, and it was revealed that most "cases" of Swine Flu weren't Swine
Flu at all. The whole epidemic was a con. Lots of women had spontaneous
abortions right after the shot as well. Then there are the people who
came down with guillain-barre right after the vaccine. Why did you
bother to get one?
>
> If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
> time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
> dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have to
> live with for the rest of your lives.
You really need to learn about immunity and how it works. Repeated shots
are the worst way to protect a dog against rabies. Please stop having
pets till you get a brain.
>
> Morons!
Idiot!
Avid Fan
> Avid Fan wrote:
>> Kris L. Christine wrote:
>>> *_San_Diego_Pet_Vaccination_Seminar_with_Drs._W._Jean_Dodds_and_Ronald_Schultz_*_
>>>
>>>
>>> A vaccine seminar will be held in San Diego, California on March
>>> 28, 2010, and world-renowned veterinary vaccine research scientists,
>>> Drs. W. Jean Dodds and Ronald Schultz, will be the featured speakers at
>>> this all-day event. More information on the seminar can be found at
>>> 'dog & canine forum - DogBanter' (http://www.petseminar.org/) .
>>>
>>> *_New_Website_Design_&_Facebook_Page*_
>>>
>>> The Rabies Challenge Fund website has been completely redesigned
>>> 'Duration of Immunity Study for Rabies Vaccine - Rabies Challenge Fund'
>>> (http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org) and important vaccine data for pet
>>> owners has been added. The RCF has also joined the Facebook community
>>> 'The Rabies Challenge Fund | Facebook' (http://tinyurl.com/yh84lnz) ,
>>> where vaccine data is posted under "Discussions."
>>
>>
>> Good grief!
>>
>> It has been shown time and time again that vaccination is "THE" most
>> cost effective health measure you can possibly do.
>
> How is repeating a vaccine over and over when a dog is already immune
> cost effective?
>
worm works out to 55c a day
What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure that
if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
never was vaccinated.
Boosters are need for most vaccines. If you go to Nepal I recommend a
Polio booster
>>
>> You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.
>
> Dogs that have never been vaccinated can show antibodies to rabies. It's
> called natural immunity.
Immunity passed on by the fact hat the mother was vaccinated and passed
on by mothers milk? There is a world of difference between between
being able to detect low level of antibodies and having immunity.
> The facts show that repeated vaccinations cause
> severe damage to dogs and hurt instead of help.
>
> http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
Catherine O Driscoll? BAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHH !!!
Catherine is also an ACT (Animal Communication Training) examiner, and a
qualified Reiki practitioner.
She supports homoeopathy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
Proof that you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of
the American public.
>
>>
>> Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog
>> every year for Parvo and Heartworm.
>
> Parvo is a puppy disease. Why get it on older dogs?
Wrong Parvo is more likely to kill puppies but it can kill dogs of any
age. We had a death of a 4 year old dog recently at our dog park.
Second reason is that if the virus as has no place to live it will die
out like smallpox. I do not want my dog as a carrier killing puppies.
And heartworm
> doesn't bother raw fed dogs. It's just not an issue.
Cite please. I cannot see how a worm that is passed on by mosquitoes
would be affected by the food a dog eats.
Salmonella is the natural gut flora of birds and dogs so if you feed
your dog raw chicken beware.
http://www.healthy-dogs.net/poisonsprevention.htm
E coli is not great either if you feed your dog beef or Pork.
Fortunately anything hotter than a very hot bath kills them pretty quickly.
I sear on a very hot fry pan for a few seconds the surface of any meat I
feed my dog.
>
>>
>> I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
>> still alive.
>
> Yep, and it was revealed that most "cases" of Swine Flu weren't Swine
> Flu at all.
Not over here most flu was Swine Flu. It was extremely infectious
>The whole epidemic was a con. Lots of women had spontaneous
> abortions right after the shot as well. Then there are the people who
> came down with guillain-barre right after the vaccine. Why did you
> bother to get one?
>
guillain-barre? I drive a car to work. I should worry about a 1-2
chance in a million of geting guillain-barre? when my chances of
geting guillain-barre? if I get Swine Flu 1/25,000
"In fact the most powerful argument in favour of continuing to have flu
vaccine (thereby running a tiny, one or two in a million risk of GBS) is
that flu itself is a relatively common cause of GBS, and would appear to
cause it once in every 14,000 to 25,000 episodes of flu. Running the
risks of a rare vaccine side effect is perfectly acceptable when the
risks from not having the vaccine are much worse."
I get Flu vaccinations every year to be sure that I am not responsible
for killing my elderly mother who refuses to be vaccinated. While this
strain of swine flu was pretty mild bird flu had a mortality rate of
20%. If swine flu and say bird flu get together at least I will be
partially covered.
>>
>> If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
>> time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
>> dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have
>> to live with for the rest of your lives.
>
> You really need to learn about immunity and how it works.
I have a degree in Microbiology and Biotechnology what do you have?
> Repeated shots
> are the worst way to protect a dog against rabies. Please stop having
> pets till you get a brain.
Please cite and I apologise for ending my original post with an insult.
Char
You don't need a vaccine to have protection for life. It is possible to
be immune from natural exposure. There are lots of dogs who have never
had a rabies vaccine that show antibodies to rabies anyway. That is
natural immunity.
I am sure that
> if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
> never was vaccinated.
>
> Boosters are need for most vaccines. If you go to Nepal I recommend a
> Polio booster
Cites please. Boosters have not been found to help anything. That is the
purpose of the Rabies Challenge, to show that once immune there are no
boosters needed. Indeed, boosters have been found to cause damage and to
reduce immunity.
>
>
>>>
>>> You want to stop vaccinating against Rabies! You are all mad.
>>
>> Dogs that have never been vaccinated can show antibodies to rabies.
>> It's called natural immunity.
>
> Immunity passed on by the fact hat the mother was vaccinated and passed
> on by mothers milk? There is a world of difference between between
> being able to detect low level of antibodies and having immunity.
I'm not referring to the temporary protection given to pups by the
mother, I'm talking about immunity gotten just from being out and about
in the world, at levels high enough to protect. That is real natural
immunity and it occurs all the time.
>
>> The facts show that repeated vaccinations cause severe damage to dogs
>> and hurt instead of help.
>>
>
> > http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
>
> Catherine O Driscoll? BAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHHH !!!
>
> Catherine is also an ACT (Animal Communication Training) examiner, and a
> qualified Reiki practitioner.
Yeah, isn't that great?
>
> She supports homoeopathy
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
>
> Proof that you will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of
> the American public.
I support homeopathy too. I've used it myself, on myself and on pets
successfully. I was skeptical till I saw the proof right before my eyes.
I'm like that. I study things intently till I know for sure one way or
another. You should try it some time.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Luckily where I live we do not have rabies. I do vaccinate my dog
>>> every year for Parvo and Heartworm.
>>
>> Parvo is a puppy disease. Why get it on older dogs?
>
> Wrong Parvo is more likely to kill puppies but it can kill dogs of any
> age. We had a death of a 4 year old dog recently at our dog park.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yl59bfu
And many dogs get it right after they were immunized against it. How did
that happen if vaccines work?
>
> Second reason is that if the virus as has no place to live it will die
> out like smallpox. I do not want my dog as a carrier killing puppies.
>
> And heartworm
>> doesn't bother raw fed dogs. It's just not an issue.
>
> Cite please. I cannot see how a worm that is passed on by mosquitoes
> would be affected by the food a dog eats.
I bet not. Raw fed dogs are just so much more healthy than dogs fed crap
in a bag because it's a species appropriate diet. They are able to fight
off many things naturally. I've seen it with my own dogs. I live in
Florida where heart worms are everywhere yet my dogs don't get it. They
are tested now and then so I know. Kibble keeps them in a constant half
sick state where they succumb to just about anything that walks by.
>
> Salmonella is the natural gut flora of birds and dogs so if you feed
> your dog raw chicken beware.
>
> http://www.healthy-dogs.net/poisonsprevention.htm
>
> E coli is not great either if you feed your dog beef or Pork.
>
> Fortunately anything hotter than a very hot bath kills them pretty
> quickly.
Then you need to know that a dog's digestive system is made to handle
things like that. Their stomach acid is a lot stronger than ours is so
food gets digested fast. Their intestines are much shorter too, again so
food gets digested fast. Dogs can eat rancid meat safely.
>
> I sear on a very hot fry pan for a few seconds the surface of any meat I
> feed my dog.
There is no reason to but it doesn't hurt. Don't confuse a dog's
digestive system with a human one. They are very different. Study them!
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> I had the Swine Flu vaccination about a month ago - guess what, I am
>>> still alive.
>>
>> Yep, and it was revealed that most "cases" of Swine Flu weren't Swine
>> Flu at all.
>
> Not over here most flu was Swine Flu. It was extremely infectious
Yeah, that's what they want you to think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsawOwPgZZc
>
>> The whole epidemic was a con. Lots of women had spontaneous abortions
>> right after the shot as well. Then there are the people who came down
>> with guillain-barre right after the vaccine. Why did you bother to get
>> one?
>>
>
> guillain-barre? I drive a car to work. I should worry about a 1-2
> chance in a million of geting guillain-barre? when my chances of
> geting guillain-barre? if I get Swine Flu 1/25,000
Why take any chance at all when the flu shot doesn't work to begin with?
>
> "In fact the most powerful argument in favour of continuing to have flu
> vaccine (thereby running a tiny, one or two in a million risk of GBS) is
> that flu itself is a relatively common cause of GBS, and would appear to
> cause it once in every 14,000 to 25,000 episodes of flu. Running the
> risks of a rare vaccine side effect is perfectly acceptable when the
> risks from not having the vaccine are much worse."
>
> I get Flu vaccinations every year to be sure that I am not responsible
> for killing my elderly mother who refuses to be vaccinated. While this
> strain of swine flu was pretty mild bird flu had a mortality rate of
> 20%. If swine flu and say bird flu get together at least I will be
> partially covered.
If you want to see stats look at the flu rate in the US. The percentage
of people who get the flu never went down after vaccines were given. Not
even a little. The same thing happened in Cuba. There was no change in
the percentage of people getting the flu after vaccines for it were
started. The flu shots don't work. You wasted your time. Sounds like
your mothers knows better than you do.
>
>
>>>
>>> If your dog gets bitten by a rabid rat and you don't notice, by the
>>> time symptoms appear it is too late to do anything about it. If your
>>> dog goes all Cujo and kills your kids that is something you will have
>>> to live with for the rest of your lives.
>>
>> You really need to learn about immunity and how it works.
>
> I have a degree in Microbiology and Biotechnology what do you have?
Evidently a lot more common sense than you do! As I said, a dog can be
immune to something without ever getting a vaccine for it. That has been
proven. Flu vaccines do not change the infection rates. That has been
proven too.
>
>> Repeated shots are the worst way to protect a dog against rabies.
>> Please stop having pets till you get a brain.
>
> Please cite and I apologise for ending my original post with an insult.
In the US we have already changed vaccine protocol for pets to allow a
rabies vaccine every three years instead of every year because it turns
out it doesn't go away in one year. How long does it last? Nobody knows
because the drug companies that make the vaccines won't do the studies
to find out. That is where the Rabies Challenge comes in. It is a grass
roots effort to study just how long it does last in order for the
repeated shots to be stopped. The article by Catherine O Driscoll points
out that there are studies that prove that vaccines cause autoimmune
disease. You may want to discredit her but she isn't the one that did
the studies. She just reported about them. You had the cites but chose
not to read them.
"A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies (1,2) to determine if vaccines can cause changes in the
immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research because
concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood Foundation
which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in the human
immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the evidence.
The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies
developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including
fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.
This means that the vaccinated dogs -- ”but not the non-vaccinated
dogs”-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation
between tissues and organs in a living organism.
The vaccinated Purdue dogs also developed autoantibodies to laminin,
which is involved in many cellular activities including the adhesion,
spreading, differentiation, proliferation and movement of cells.
Vaccines thus appear to be capable of removing the natural intelligence
of cells.
Autoantibodies to cardiolipin are frequently found in patients with the
serious disease systemic lupus erythematosus and also in individuals
with other autoimmune diseases. The presence of elevated
anti-cardiolipin antibodies is significantly associated with clots
within the heart or blood vessels, in poor blood clotting, haemorrhage,
bleeding into the skin, foetal loss and neurological conditions.
The Purdue studies also found that vaccinated dogs were developing
autoantibodies to their own collagen. About one quarter of all the
protein in the body is collagen. Collagen provides structure to our
bodies, protecting and supporting the softer tissues and connecting them
with the skeleton. It is no wonder that Canine Health Concern's 1997
study of 4,000 dogs showed a high number of dogs developing mobility
problems shortly after they were vaccinated (noted in my 1997 book, What
Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines).
Perhaps most worryingly, the Purdue studies found that the vaccinated
dogs had developed autoantibodies to their own DNA. Did the alarm bells
sound? Did the scientific community call a halt to the vaccination
program? No. Instead, they stuck their fingers in the air, saying more
research is needed to ascertain whether vaccines can cause genetic
damage. Meanwhile, the study dogs were found good homes, but no
long-term follow-up has been conducted. At around the same time, the
American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Vaccine-Associated Feline
Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why 160,000
cats each year in the USA develop terminal cancer at their vaccine
injection sites.(3) The fact that cats can get vaccine-induced cancer
has been acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world, and even
the British Government acknowledged it through its Working Group charged
with the task of looking into canine and feline vaccines(4) following
pressure from Canine Health Concern. What do you imagine was the advice
of the AVMA Task Force, veterinary bodies and governments? "Carry on
vaccinating until
we find out why vaccines are killing cats, and which cats are most
likely to die." "
Char
>
>
> What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure that
> if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
> never was vaccinated.
Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.
Polio vaccine blamed for outbreaks in Nigeria
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32418446/ns/health-infectious_diseases
Polio is spreading in Nigeria and health officials say in some cases
it's caused by the vaccine used to fight the paralyzing disease.
In July, the World Health Organization issued a warning that this
particular virus might extend beyond Africa. So far, 124 Nigerian
children have been paralyzed this year — about twice those afflicted in
2008.
Nigeria and most other poor nations use an oral polio vaccine because
it's cheaper, easier, and protects entire communities. But it's made
from a live polio virus which carries a small risk of causing polio. In
even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a
deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.
A virologist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
says genetic analysis proves such mutated viruses have caused at least
seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4
In a related matter:
From: Dr Andrew Jones
Author: Veterinary Secrets Revealed
I had a question from a reader wondering if he should
be giving her 4 year old Min Pin the combination
boosters of Rabies, Plus Distemper, Adenovirus,
Parainfluenza and Parvovirus.
Her dog has been getting yearly combination vaccines
on the advice of her veterinarian.
My suggestions..
NO
DON'T give the entire combination, ESPECIALLY to
a mature dog that has had their puppy boosters.
She is WELL protected.
In my humble opinion, this combination of vaccines
is doing More HARM, than good.
If her dog is due for the Rabies vaccine, then that
is the ONLY thing I would advise at this time.
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This means that the vaccinated dogs -- �but not the non-vaccinated
dogs�-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
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subject: IMPORTANT UPDATE: Vaccines - What Your Doctors WON'T TELL YOU
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
Vaccines - What Your Doctors WON'T TELL YOU -
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From: Dr Andrew Jones
Author: Veterinary Secrets Revealed
Website: http://www.veterinarysecretsrevealed.com
A new petition on Pet Vaccines.
This is the single most important health issue
facing our dogs and cats today.
First..Here is the link below is to sign petition for safer
vaccinations for our companion animals.
http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html
I wanted to give you some additional information on Dog and Cat
Vaccines, and I found some fabulous stuff at Catherine O'Driscolls
site, Canine Health Concern.
She is eminently qualified to write on this topic,
and she has authored 2 books on this topic.
'Shock to the System', and 'What Vets DON'T tell
You About Vaccines'.
She is in Scotland, hence her reference to 'America'
Here are her answers to some very common Vaccine Questions...
Q: Should I vaccinate my dog or cat every year?
A: No. There is absolutely no scientific justification for annual
vaccination. According to Dr Ronald D Schultz, head of pathobiology
at Wisconsin University, and the world's most eminent expert on
canine and feline immunology, "once immunity to a virus exists,
it persists for years or for the life of an animal". This fact,
supported by further duration of immunity studies, has been
accepted by veterinary bodies in America and Australia. The
consensus is that, if you wish to vaccinate your dog, then he
should have puppy shots followed by one shot after six months
of age, and then no further shots are required.
Q: I thought vaccines were safe - what are the adverse effects?
A: Inflammatory ('itis') diseases in dogs and cats are becoming
increasingly common, due largely to vaccines. Vaccines contain
modified live viruses; formaldehyde (a cancer-causing preservative
used to embalm corpses); mercury and aluminium salts (both toxins);
serum (blood products); and other worrying substances. The medical
and veterinary professions readily acknowledge that both humans and
animals can have allergic reactions to serum. But add all the other
components, and it's no wonder some individuals have allergic
reactions.
In addition, vaccines are often cultivated on dog and cat brains and
kidneys, on hamsters, on monkeys, and on chick embryos. If any of
these animals' tissues are inadequately removed from the vaccine,
the patient can have a hypersensitivity reaction to them. The words
'hypersensitivity', 'allergy', and 'inflammation' are interchangeable.
Sometimes the hypersensitivity reaction is so severe that the patient
must be immediately injected with adrenaline or they will die.
Because vaccines are generally injected straight into the bloodstream,
components can be carried around the body. Depending upon the animal's
genetic predisposition, the allergic reaction could manifest as
inflammation of the brain, inflammation of the digestive system,
inflammation of the bones and joints - in fact, any of the many
inflammatory conditions.
This is why scientists have written and produced scientific papers
that link vaccines in with brain damage, epilepsy, behavioural problems,
colitis, arthritis, thyroid disease, heart failure, kidney failure,
cancer and more.
The practice of cultivating vaccines on animal tissue has also been
called into question. The Salk Polio vaccine illustrated the dangers
of this when it was discovered that it was contaminated with a range
of monkey retroviruses.
SV40, a monkey retrovirus found in the Salk vaccine, has been found
at the cancer sites of people who received this vaccine. Worryingly,
it has also been found at the cancer sites of their children. SV40
switches off the part of the DNA that protects from cancer.
SIV, another monkey retrovirus, was also a contaminant in the Salk
vaccine.
SIV and HIV are closely related viruses, and independent scientists
have traced the emergence of AIDS to mass polio vaccination in the
Belgian Congo and amongst male homosexuals in New York who were given
the vaccine in an attempt to protect against genital herpes (however
strange this might sound!).
Similarly, an avian (bird) retrovirus has been found in leukaemia
patients, and it is thought that the retrovirus came from the MMR
vaccine. Distemper and measles are virtually identical viruses, and
both vaccines are cultivated on chick embryos.
Where did parvovirus come from in the 1970s, killing thousands of
dogs? Scientists have been quoted as saying that it was a cross-
species disease, created by a vaccine manufacturer who cultivated
the distemper vaccine on cats infected with feline enteritis. The
first vaccine for this new disease was a stopgap: the feline
enteritis vaccine.
The disease occurred simultaneously around the world. Naturally
occurring diseases spread slowly, but vaccine manufacturers send
their products out in batches around the world, easily creating
a worldwide epidemic.
By looking at scientific data from both human and animal-based
research, we are able to say that vaccines are proven to cause
inflammatory and immune-mediated diseases.
The UK vet Christopher Day observed that, where the start date
of an illness in his patients is known, around 80% of patients
started to be ill within three months of vaccination. CHC put
this theory to the test by inviting pet owners to complete a
short questionnaire.
There were over 4,000 dogs in the survey. We asked, if your
dog is ill, when did he become ill in relation to the vaccine?
We have been astounded by the results so far.
91% of Ataxia cases occurred within three months of a vaccine event
81% of dogs who had tumours at their vaccine sites, first developed
the tumours within three months of being vaccinated
78.6% of dogs with encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) first
developed the condition within three months of being vaccinated
73.1% of epileptic dogs first became epileptic within three months of
being vaccinated
65.9% of dogs with colitis developed the condition within that first
three months
64.9% of dogs with behavioural problems started to be a problem within
three months of vaccination
61.5% of dogs developed liver failure within three months of being
vaccinated
The above figures were chosen at random from our findings to
illustrate the principle to you: vaccines may be protecting
our dogs against viral disease, but they are doing this at a
very high price. If vaccination had no bearing on subsequent
illness, only 25% of dogs should become ill in each three-month
period.
Q: Is CHC saying that we should leave our dogs unprotected against
horrible diseases like distemper and parvovirus?
A: No, certainly not. In fact, we would say you should not leave
your dogs unprotected. But you can minimise the risks.
Firstly, if you choose to continue vaccinating, you could have puppy
shots and possibly the first year's booster, and leave it at that.
This is the advice being given now by veterinary colleges in America.
Secondly, you could use the homoeopathic alternative instead. This
has been used by many breeders and show people for years. Reports
indicate that homoeopathically protected dogs are far healthier than
vaccinated dogs.
There are several scientific studies showing that the homoeopathic
alternative works.
Vaccine manufacturers are currently trying to tell us that dogs need
annual boosters against leptospirosis, which is a bacterin rather than
a virus.
However, many eminent scientists say that this vaccine should actually
be withdrawn as it is not very protective, and it is the vaccine most
associated with adverse reactions.
The kennel cough virus mutates (like the flu) so you can't guarantee
permanent immunity from the vaccine. However, scientific research has
shown that the homoeopathic nosode is more protective against kennel
cough than the vaccine - and it's safer.
Q: My vet tells me that you are scaremongering and that I should
continue to vaccinate every year. I don't know what to do.
A: Vets, however well-meaning, are educated in colleges that rely
upon vaccine and pharmaceutical companies for funding in the form
of sponsorship, research grants, scholarships and bursaries. Colleges
are reliant upon big business for funding, and few people are willing
to bite the hand that feeds them. Vets' education with regard to vaccines
tends to stop beyond "do it".
Our knowledge about immunity has improved greatly over the past five
years. Some of the information coming to light about vaccines will
present an ethical and economic challenge to veterinarians. But your
pet deserves to come first, over and above any such challenges.
If your vet says annual vaccination is necessary, ask him if he has
heard of the research coming out of America, and the advice that annual
vaccination is unnecessary. If he has heard of this research, he cannot
dismiss your questions. If he has not heard of it, then he lacks the
knowledge to advise.
Finally, your dog looks at you with love and trust in his eyes, not at
a stranger in a white coat. It is vitally important that you do as much
as you can to understand the facts. Please don't do as I did and allow
your dogs to die before you discover the truth.
I wish you and your animal friends many
happy and healthy years together.
//////////////////////////////////////////////
P.S. The more I learn about Vaccines, the
less I want to give them.
You can read more about them in my Special
Report called 'The Veterinary Code'
It's at http://www.theveterinarycode.com
It's Your Pet. Heal Them At Home!
Best Wishes,
Dr Andrew Jones, DVM
---------------
Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4
---------------
In a related matter:
From: Dr Andrew Jones
Author: Veterinary Secrets Revealed
I had a question from a reader wondering if he should
be giving her 4 year old Min Pin the combination
boosters of Rabies, Plus Distemper, Adenovirus,
Parainfluenza and Parvovirus.
Her dog has been getting yearly combination vaccines
on the advice of her veterinarian.
My suggestions..
NO
DON'T give the entire combination, ESPECIALLY to
a mature dog that has had their puppy boosters.
She is WELL protected.
In my humble opinion, this combination of vaccines
is doing More HARM, than good.
//////////////////////////////////////////////
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"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?"
- Jeremy Bentham -
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience."
- C.S. Lewis. -
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.
ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
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Avid Fan
> Avid Fan wrote:
>>
>>
>> What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure that
>> if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than someone who
>> never was vaccinated.
>
> Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
> placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.
the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in the
United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.
In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
Do you really need more evidence?
The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
think that it just decided to disappear.
http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEC/CC/polio.php
>
> Polio vaccine blamed for outbreaks in Nigeria
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32418446/ns/health-infectious_diseases
>
You are talking about a faulty vaccine made in a 3rd world country.
> Polio is spreading in Nigeria and health officials say in some cases
> it's caused by the vaccine used to fight the paralyzing disease.
>
> In July, the World Health Organization issued a warning that this
> particular virus might extend beyond Africa. So far, 124 Nigerian
> children have been paralyzed this year � about twice those afflicted in
> 2008.
>
> Nigeria and most other poor nations use an oral polio vaccine because
> it's cheaper, easier, and protects entire communities. But it's made
> from a live polio virus which carries a small risk of causing polio. In
> even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a
> deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks.
>
> A virologist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
> says genetic analysis proves such mutated viruses have caused at least
> seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.
Cite please.
Char
> Char wrote:
>> Avid Fan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure
>>> that if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than
>>> someone who never was vaccinated.
>>
>> Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
>> placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.
>
>
>
> the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in the
> United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.
>
> In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
>
> Do you really need more evidence?
>
> The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
> think that it just decided to disappear.
So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself caused
many cases of polio.
According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
million children and adults in the United States were exposed
inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.
SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)
virus and in animal models, the neoplasias induced by SV40 included
primary brain cancers, malignant mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and
systemic lymphomas.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TDC-48RWTMP-8&_user=10&_handle=W-WA-A-A-WU-MsSAYWA-UUA-AUCVYBWWDY-YBDVUVCV-WU-U&_fmt=summary&_coverDate=06%2F01%2F2003&_rdoc=8&_orig=browse&_srch=%23toc%235195%232003%23998859991%23433553!&_cdi=5195&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3628d5e2697ad7422d3acd8ef1f04399
Vaccination Myth #6:
"Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories..."
...or was it?
Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the
Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont
to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states reported
increases as well.
The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and Utah
actually halted vaccination due to the increased incidence and death
rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts' paralytic cases had received 3
doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).
During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of
the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School
of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio
increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations -- a 50% increase
from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959-but that the
statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to
give the opposite impression.
It is important to understand that the polio vaccine was not universally
accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined both in
European countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in those
that employed it.
According to researcher-author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases
were eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of
the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk
vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at
a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus.
For example, cases of viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms
similar to polio, were routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before
the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics
after the vaccine.
Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was raised from
20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis statistics was
changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms lasting 60
days (many polio victims' paralysis was temporary).
It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines-at least
on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in
the US between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later
declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the
vaccine-and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated
individuals.
Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee
that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio
vaccine.
At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of Medicine
and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Samuel Katz of
Duke University cited the estimated 8-10 annual US cases of
vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have taken the
oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio from the
western hemisphere.
Jessica Scheer of the National Rehabilitation Hospital Research Center
in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents are unaware that
polio vaccination in this country entails "a small number of human
sacrifices each year."
Compounding this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the
NVIC's experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of
vaccine reactions, which suggest that the actual number of VAPP
"sacrifices" may be 10 to 100 times higher than that cited by the CDC.
For these reasons, the live polio virus is no longer in widespread use.
To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century
does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the
late 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of
years by the time the vaccine was introduced.
Vaccination Truth #6:
"The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were
underway before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately
covered up by health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in countries
that both embraced and rejected the vaccine."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/08/18/vaccine-myths2.aspx
Avid Fan
> Avid Fan wrote:
>> Char wrote:
>>> Avid Fan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure
>>>> that if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than
>>>> someone who never was vaccinated.
>>>
>>> Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
>>> placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.
the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
the United States. By 1965, there were 61.
In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
If that does not convince you then nothing will.
I do not have access to double blind studies on Polio I am sure they
exist somewhere. Or maybe the ethics comities did not have the heart to
conduct such trial.
Cervical cancer vaccine I can cite because I was involved with them.
16,000 women double blind, enjoy, now tell me there is no proof that
any of them work. In Australia medication subsidised double blind
studies are the very minimum requirement to get subsidy.
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>>
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>> the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
>> the United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.
>>
>> In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
>>
>> Do you really need more evidence?
>>
>> The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
>> think that it just decided to disappear.
>
> So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
> disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself caused
> many cases of polio.
>
> According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
> million children and adults in the United States were exposed
> inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.
> SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)
> virus and in animal models, the neoplasias induced by SV40 included
> primary brain cancers, malignant mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and
> systemic lymphomas.
Even the most basic Google search will tell you that Polio is an RNA
virus. SV40 is DNA monkey virus not even remotely related to Polio.
Your link DID NOT MENTION THE POLIO VACCINE AT ALL !!
Cite please 8 cases per year as opposed to 2,525 is still a victory.
For an early vaccine that has since been vastly improved.
You believe what you what to believe. I am old enough to remember the
crippled people hobbling around from Polio. If you what to believe that
a virus that has been around for at least 4,000 years suddenly decided
to leave the western world of its own accord. Just at the time when a
vaccine arrived then go with God.
Char
> Char wrote:
>> Avid Fan wrote:
>>> Char wrote:
>>>> Avid Fan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure
>>>>> that if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than
>>>>> someone who never was vaccinated.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
>>>> placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.
>
> the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
> the United States. By 1965, there were 61.
>
> In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
>
> If that does not convince you then nothing will.
>
> I do not have access to double blind studies on Polio I am sure they
> exist somewhere.
Why are you sure? I'm supposed to take your word for it?
Or maybe the ethics comities did not have the heart to
> conduct such trial.
>
> Cervical cancer vaccine I can cite because I was involved with them.
>
> 16,000 women double blind, enjoy, now tell me there is no proof that
> any of them work. In Australia medication subsidised double blind
> studies are the very minimum requirement to get subsidy.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19586656?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=1
>
It's about time you bring anything to the table! We now have one study
on a vaccine. Yay!
I'd still not have any child of mine get that vaccine. It's dangerous.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
>>> the United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.
>>>
>>> In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
>>>
>>> Do you really need more evidence?
>>>
>>> The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
>>> think that it just decided to disappear.
>>
>> So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
>> disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself
>> caused many cases of polio.
>>
>> According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
>> million children and adults in the United States were exposed
>> inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio
>> vaccines. SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic
>> deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) virus and in animal models, the neoplasias
>> induced by SV40 included primary brain cancers, malignant
>> mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and systemic lymphomas.
>
> Even the most basic Google search will tell you that Polio is an RNA
> virus. SV40 is DNA monkey virus not even remotely related to Polio.
> Your link DID NOT MENTION THE POLIO VACCINE AT ALL !!
Yeah, it did. The virus was in the polio vaccine. Read much?
With no proof the vaccine caused the "victory" and much pointing out
that it was not the vaccine at all.
And?
If you what to believe that
> a virus that has been around for at least 4,000 years suddenly decided
> to leave the western world of its own accord. Just at the time when a
> vaccine arrived then go with God.
You'd think that with your training you'd actually see the truth. Back
to the Vaccine Seminar. Dodd believes vaccines work but that they cause
harm when repeated each year. Almost every state has changed their
rabies vaccine laws so that animals are vaccinated every three years
rather than every year. This study on the rabies vaccine is showing that
immunity lasts much longer than anyone thought. Why did the vaccine
manufacturers not test how long their products work? They most likely
did and didn't report it. This will cost them quite a lot of money as we
realize the injury done by yearly vaccines. Obviously you didn't
investigate this study at all or you would not have responded as you did.
That you didn't know that a immune defense can come about without
getting a vaccine is amazing to me! Wake up and smell the coffee!
In most states it was the vaccine companies that pushed to make rabies
vaccines mandatory and in most cases it was done where there were no
outbreaks of rabies at all or there were a small number of cases. Talk
about a conspiracy! That is easily proven by looking up government
records of rabies cases by year and cross referencing that with the date
the rabies laws went into existence.
Avid Fan
There is an almost identical one for Gardisil.
Where is your study to say it is dangerous? I guess you don't need
evidence.
>>>>
>>>> the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
>>>> the United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.
>>>>
>>>> In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really need more evidence?
>>>>
>>>> The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
>>>> think that it just decided to disappear.
>>>
>>> So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
>>> disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself
>>> caused many cases of polio.
>>>
>>> According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
>>> million children and adults in the United States were exposed
>>> inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio
>>> vaccines. SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic
>>> deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) virus and in animal models, the
>>> neoplasias induced by SV40 included primary brain cancers, malignant
>>> mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and systemic lymphomas.
>>
>> Even the most basic Google search will tell you that Polio is an RNA
>> virus. SV40 is DNA monkey virus not even remotely related to Polio.
>> Your link DID NOT MENTION THE POLIO VACCINE AT ALL !!
>
> Yeah, it did. The virus was in the polio vaccine. Read much?
Obviously better than you. Go to the link type Ctrl F and search for
Polio on that page - You will not find it.
The Immune System are designed to be challenged frequently. Auto
immune diseases such as Asthma are found more often in children that are
not challenged. Children that go to daycare are less likely to develop
Asthma than those who do not.
> That you didn't know that a immune defense can come about without
> getting a vaccine is amazing to me! Wake up and smell the coffee!
>
WHO SAID THAT
I knew that you can have immune defence with out being vaccinated.
There only two ways that you can have SOME immune defence without
vaccination.
1. Dog has been exposed to a weakened strain of the virus.
2. Dog has antibodies have been passed on through mothers milk and the
mother has been vaccinated or exposed.
Antibody Titer is another factor. Just because the antibodies are
present in minute numbers DOES NOT mean you are immune.
> In most states it was the vaccine companies that pushed to make rabies
> vaccines mandatory and in most cases it was done where there were no
> outbreaks of rabies at all or there were a small number of cases. Talk
> about a conspiracy! That is easily proven by looking up government
> records of rabies cases by year and cross referencing that with the date
> the rabies laws went into existence.
Yeah Yeah Yeah the Government is out to spend money to harm you.
Vaccines don't work. It is just a big conspiracy.
You find one looney vet that supports your view and ignore the thousands
that disagree.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ You will find plenty of double bind
vaccine studies here.
To me I cannot be bothered arguing you have not answered any of my
questions such as Why after 4000 years did Polio all but disappear at
the very same time that vaccines were introduced?
To me it is like trying to argue with a flat earther. You want to put
your family in danger go ahead.
Like these Amish
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301733.html
I would not like to be you when you have to explain to your son that has
been crippled by Polio or your daughter that develops Cervical cancer
that there was a prevention but you chose not to use it despite the
mountain of evidence supporting it.
Char
>
> To me it is like trying to argue with a flat earther. You want to put
> your family in danger go ahead.
>
> Like these Amish
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301733.html
And that article says "The virus that all four children are carrying is
derived from the oral polio vaccine."
Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
Avid Fan
Children NOT vaccinated. The strain probably came from a third world
country where they still use a weak live oral vaccine. Probably the
reason they were not paralysed.
You want to test it out? Take your un-vaccinated children to Nepal.
Char
So these Amish kids took a trip to a third world country to get sick? I
highly doubt that.
Linda Hungerford
they
exist somewhere. Or maybe the ethics comities did not have the heart
to
conduct such trial. >>
If I recall my science history accurately, the double blinded studies
that Salk did were in simians.
Reading thread with interest.....
Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Char
The same Linda Hungerford that doesn't know what a homeopathic remedy is
yet condemns them?
"Anyone trying to treat this disease solely with homeopathic remedies
will be taking their dog's life into their own hands. Supplement all
you want to, but do not cast aside veterinary intervention for
Addison's Disease."