Re: DOGMAN/Jack/Paulette
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"J" <blackbea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b7677b03-7665-4110...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> Where is DOGMAN???
You mean not so handsome, not so gentlemanly, not even
jack morrison a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever
PUPPY MILL an SHOCK COLLAR SALES?
You mean the pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES ignorameHOWES MENTAL
CASE, FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST??
Are you intentionally tryin to set back the hands of time
by TEN YEARS, blackbea...@yahoo.com??
"Seem" dogman took the gas pipe, eh?? Or perhaps he was
kidnapped an SCHTUPPED BUTT GOOD by The Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's BIOSOUND Scientific Elves??
He been BEGGIN for it for years~!
LIKE THIS:
tommy wrote:
From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness-
-A Concluding Assessment
This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has
TOTALLY refused to engage me in debate,
preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely
out of context, instead.
What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!
The most consistent argument among Koehler's
defenders is based on a questionable assumption
that such "drastic" measures are effective in
"extreme" cases where other methods fail.
------------------------
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will
Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
LIKE THIS:
Here's tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL
and SHOCK COLLAR trainin SALES aka the miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin child an spHOWES abusin anonymHOWES
active accute chronic life long incurable mental case punk
thug coward aka not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly
jackass, not even jack morrison, aka joey finochiarrio aka BIG
DADDY aka DOGMAN HEELPIN dogs:
tommy sez:
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
And then he sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
You mean like HOWE when you HOWEsbreak a dog an
you beat IT with a switch or heavy man's leather belt and
tie him next to his evil deed and return to BEAT HIM every
twenty minutes, tommy?
tommy SEZ:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens"
"Swatting a dog on the nose is always the wrong thing to do."
-------------------------
SEE?
> Or Handsome Jack Morrison...
They're THE SAME pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
anonymHOWES coward, REMEMBER, blackbeachcomber?
Your other MAGGOT pal, paulette nolan, ain't posted here
since she offered to accept nessa's fear aggressive hyperactive
DEAD DOG Bagle into her HOWES of HORRORS an
serruptitiHOWESLY MURDER it for her an her trainer, janet:
nessa wrote:
> Sadly my big beautiful black Bagel went to Rainbow
> Bridge on September 18 due to a severe debilitating
> neck injury that left him unable to walk and in pain
> when he moved his head.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: kind2d...@aol.com (Kind2dogs)
Date: 04 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>From: "Jerry Howe" jh...@cfl.rr.com
>Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2001 10:10 AM
>Message-id: <FzrS6.373566$o9.59491...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
> Out or in context, "too many no kill shelters" still sucks,
> don't it KIND2DOGS?
> Sounds to me like you're a hypocrite... Jerry.
Where does it EXACTLY say the above?
Paulette~
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: BRD...@webtv.net
Date: 2000/02/15
Subject: Re: spaying/neutering before shelter adoption
"Christine Gardner" <cgard...@total.net> wrote:
> Hi Paulette, I couldn't agree more with your reaction to my post - the
> dogs really do need to be spayed/neutered before they leave the shelter,
> and ideally that is what should happen, but in our case it's a question of
> sheer numbers. Our SPCA is an inner-city organization. Last year it
> received 30,000 unwanted/stray dogs and cats.
WOW! For me the most that I have ever have had
to deal with is perhaps 400 MAX, in one year.
BUT I also know that I started out with NO memebr and just a charge card : )
and I still got all the dogs neutered or spayed, and took
very good care of them.
When things get too BUREAUCRATIC,the money isn't spent
on what it originally was meant for.: (
> It receives no public/government funding whatsoever and is entirely
> dependent on animal control contracts with local municipalities and
> donations from supporters. Its financial situation is literally
> desperate - every year there are fears it will have to close down.
I understand this,very well. I have foud though writing a column,
BEGGING and PLEADING for bucks does work. : ) Also a bio of
a dog weekly attracts people to give money. At least that is the
way it ihas been in my experience.
> This year it has survived by laying off about ten staff members. The
> only way it can possibly function is to spay/neuter only the animals
> that are actually adopted, and it hasn't managed to figure out a way
> of doing this before the animals leave the premises because of its very
> serious space problem.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The way I would do that then, is the
minute a home has been approved, the vet appointment is made.
And a staff memebr brings the dog to the vets and the new "owners"
pick the dog up.
Another way is to have the adopters give a deposit, which they get
back when they take the dog to be spayed or neutered, of course
the shelter is PAYING for the surgery, huh?
This gives the people an incentive,as they
really do what to get that money back!
Of course some people tell you to keep the money
as they love their dog so much : )
> Every single day an animal is kept on the premises after adoption
> means a whole lot of other animals that have to be turned away for
> lack of cage space - or, worse, that adoptable animals would have
> to be destroyed for lack of space.
I think that this doesn't have to be the case.
I mean there needs to be more organization.
> Experiments have shown that the current system of having
> adopters sign spay/neuter contracts is the best in the circumstances.
Well as Lynn stated the percentage of owners than comply
with this is't too good, and this only propogates the problem
of unwanted pets.
hey we can't save all of them, so you have to pic and choose unfortunately.
Maybe if someone did "cull" : ( you wouldn't be put in this position.
I know I have never been a part of any unwanted pregnancies
through any of my adoptions, and I KNOW that i couldn't sleep
at night, if there was just a small cahnce that I had.
Hey,though, that's me,you know?
I'm a strange one and very MANIC, about unwanted dogs.
> Obviously it's not ideal, but given the scope of the problem, the powers
> that be have decided that a system that works reasonably well and keeps
> more animals alive is better than one that works perfectly but leads to
> more euthanasias.
Yes, but you see here is the problem with this statement.
If you send a dog out that isn't done, well the chances are there
will be pups by what a 30% or so margin??? Not very good huh?
I guess and this is a VERY stong statement, I would rather invest
my time in more oraganizational skills, and yes euthanize more, to
get a grip on the situation.
This is almost like a "buncher mentality" I want to have control of the
situation, and if it means that I am the one that has to answer to God
for making a decision of killing an animal, well so be it.
I know what the right way is for me and the dogs.
In fact I really do believe this is the only way to ened
the suffering of unwanted pets.
If everyone would just spay or neuter one person's dog that
they know isn't going to get done,you know talk them into it,
well hey you have saved MANY lives.
At least that is my take on the situation.
I mean in the papers if there is a free puppy ad,
like there was on Valentine's DAy.
Just in time for your Valentine!
Free pups!!
I get the pups or at least talk them into letting me spay the Mom.
Most times oh gee I would have to say 99% of the time
they allow me that honour : )
> There is a tradeoff here between the risk of "oops" litters and
> the killing of adoptable animals. I'm glad I'm not the person
> who had to make that decision!
Well I have made that type of decision many times,
and have held many dogs in my arms,looking into
their soulful eyes. : (
A very hard thing to do and believe me I don't do it lightly.
Paulette~
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Jerry Howe" <jh...@cfl.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
Hello kind to not too many dogs today,
"Kind2dogs" <kind2d...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010606085619...@ng-cv1.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
> >From: "Patch" d.guipago-gle...@ntlworld.com
> >Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2001 2:11 PM
> >Message-id: <bf9T6.6222$fs6.292...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>
> >"Kind2dogs" <kind2d...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20010605093138...@ng-cv1.aol.com...
> >> >Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
> >> >From: "Jerry Howe" jh...@cfl.rr.com
> >> >Date: Mon, Jun 4, 2001 5:33 PM
> >> >Message-id: <v8TS6.387335$o9.61459...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
> >> >Hello kind to not too many dogs,
> >> >"Kind2dogs" <kind2d...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:20010604105249...@ng-mf1.aol.com...
> >> >> >Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
> >> >> >From: "Jerry Howe" jh...@cfl.rr.com
> >> >> >Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2001 10:10 AM
> >> >> >Message-id:
<FzrS6.373566$o9.59491...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
> >> >> > Out or in context, "too many no kill shelters" still sucks,
> >> >> > don't it KIND2DOGS?
>
> >> >> > Sounds to me like you're a hypocrite... Jerry.
>
> >> >> Where does it EXACTLY say the above?
>
> >> > You said "too many no kill shelters." Did you not?
>
> >> Not sure.
That's a little difficult to accept, kind to not too many dogs
today. Seems to me if you'd said something as stupid as
that, you'd remember it unless you was just too freaking
dishonest to admit it, wouldn't you?
> >> That's what I am asking you to quote right here.
O.K. You don't remember what you said?
> >> I would like to see it.
That's interesting. I sure wouldn't, that's why I pointed it out to us.
> > Is it from the Re:New age training = rise in dog aggression thread
> > - message 6 [ your response to message 4 by Tricia 9999 ] ?
> > Patch
>
> Okay I found it all by myself. : )
You found what, your bellybutton or your toes?
> This is the ENTIRE MESSAGE, and as you can see I didn't say
> that, did I???
Your words: "YES!!!" You agreed. Yes means the same when
you say yes, as no means when you say no, except here on rpdb.
Them's your exclamation marks.
Isn't that correct, kindtonottoomanydogstoday?
Yes or no?
See? Here we go again. The confusion in answering
a yes or no question on rpdb. Makes me wonder.
I'm just getting tired of our experts telling us to hurt our dogs to
train them, and telling us to kill dogs because our experts can't
train them, and then blaming it on bad temperaments from bad
dogs bred by bad puppy millers, because their dogs won't tolerate
getting their ears and toes and testicles pinched and twisted and
being shocked and beaten with sticks to motivate a tied Retriever
to retrieve an article thrown out of his range...
You defend our lying, dog abusing Thugs who do things like that.
You are perpetuating a faulty, miserably defective system. You
do so not to help dogs, paulette.
You do it because you benefit yourself.
That's why I'm pleased to show you up for what you are.
Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}
> >>Subject: Re: "New Age Training" = Rise in Dog Aggression
> >From: tricia9...@aol.com (Tricia9999)
> >Date: Tue, May 1, 2001 3:48 PM
> >Message-id: <20010501184843.03374.00003...@ng-fi1.aol.com>
> >>Statistical information on bites:
> >>http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html (36% Rise since 1990)
> >I think:
> >a) there is an increase in ignorance about animal behavior;
> Yes
> > b) breeding has become less discriminate with
> > bad temperaments being produced more;
> I'm not sure about that, maybe
> > c) too many no-kill shelters putting bad apples back in to society;
> YES!!!!
> > d) there are more dogs in the world, possibly skewing the stats.
> BINGO
> Mt husband has a phrase.
> *Everything is available to the masses,now*
> Be it boats,sailing,fishing,hunting,tennis,horses...dogs..
> Everyone has to have EVERYTHING for a time and then they move
> on to something else... You would not believe how bad some of
> the boaters and sailors are here!!
> So we have far more marine accidents.
> On a Sunday in summer we risk our lives for all the IDIOTS that
> are on the water.
> So I think the dog bite stats might be influenced by just such.
> Paulette~
> A dogs life is too short...
> Their only fault really...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: kind2d...@aol.com (Kind2dogs)
Date: 06 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>From: "Jerry Howe" jh...@cfl.rr.com
>Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2001 9:55 AM
>Message-id: <8DqT6.419945$fs3.65329...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
> Hello kind to not too many dogs today,
>"Kind2dogs" <kind2d...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20010606085619...@ng-cv1.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>> >From: "Patch" d.guipago-gle...@ntlworld.com
>> >Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2001 2:11 PM
>> >Message-id: <bf9T6.6222$fs6.292...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>
>> >"Kind2dogs" <kind2d...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >news:20010605093138...@ng-cv1.aol.com...
>> >> >Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>> >> >From: "Jerry Howe" jh...@cfl.rr.com
>> >> >Date: Mon, Jun 4, 2001 5:33 PM
>> >> >Message-id: <v8TS6.387335$o9.61459...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
>> >> >Hello kind to not too many dogs,
>> >> >"Kind2dogs" <kind2d...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:20010604105249...@ng-mf1.aol.com...
>> >> >> >Subject: Re: Patch in response to JH
>> >> >> >From: "Jerry Howe" jh...@cfl.rr.com
>> >> >> >Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2001 10:10 AM
>> >> >> >Message-id:<FzrS6.373566$o9.59491...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
>> >> >> > Out or in context, "too many no kill shelters" still sucks,
>> >> >> > don't it KIND2DOGS?
>> >> >> > Sounds to me like you're a hypocrite... Jerry.
>> >> >> Where does it EXACTLY say the above?
>> >> > You said "too many no kill shelters." Did you not?
>> >> Not sure.
> That's a little difficult to accept, kind to not too many dogs today.
I didn't think I said it that is why I didn't remember saying it,
of course now you know I didn't say it!
> Seems to me if you'd said something as stupid as that, you'd
> remember it unless you was just too freaking dishonest to admit
> it, wouldn't you?
>> >> That's what I am asking you to quote right here.
> O.K. You don't remember what you said?
>> >> I would like to see it.
> That's interesting. I sure wouldn't, that's why I pointed it out to us.
Well I did want to find it but as you can see I id, and I didn't say such.
>> > Is it from the Re:New age training = rise in dog aggression thread
>> > - message 6 [ your response to message 4 by Tricia 9999 ] ?
>> >Patch
>> Okay I found it all by myself. : )
>You found what, your bellybutton or your toes?
>> This is the ENTIRE MESSAGE, and as you can see I didn't say
>> that, did I???
> Your words: "YES!!!" You agreed. Yes means the same when you say
> yes, as no means when you say no, except here on rpdb.
> Them's your exclamation marks.
> Isn't that correct, kindtonottoomanydogstoday?
That's my yes, but I did not say there are too many no kill
shelters, now did I, Jerry?
I was saying YES to bad apples...
> > c) too many no-kill shelters putting bad apples back in to society;
> YES!!!!
Meanig these no kill shelters screw up a lot...
Hope this clears it up for you.
Paulette
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
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From: Nessa (use...@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
<6dchmvc41uetv229f7249jh60k6881i...@4ax.com>):
> Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them
> in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to
> be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i close
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
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Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed
on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
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2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Email: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Nessa wrote:
> Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
> between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
> out (because if I could it's no biggie
> and I can sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?
> I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
> into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
> the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
> (there is no other way to describe dogs running down
> wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.
Do NOT let them wander the house getting
more charged up.
> I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
> HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They
need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock
it off, and have that backed up with some sort of
correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night?
nessa CONtinues:
> A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become
> increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00.
> Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him
> down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort,
> spraying him with water from a plant sprayer.
> This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into
> the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he
> stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down
> for a few minutes before the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while
you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GLASSES.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am glassesless. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
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Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's
like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'.
I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad
Janet gave me the chance to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
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Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
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From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 0:08:02 -0400, Jenn wrote
(in message <CSPU8.117216$Lf2.8604...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>):
> That aside, I crate trained both my dogs
> successfully, and used the crate to house
> train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cushions off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going
away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to
furbaby camp for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not important.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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nessa's dogs got her EVICTED to boot <{}: ~ ( >
From: Nessa (ladybug0...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
And then janet GOT MAD at Nessa for NOT MURDERIN
her fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs
in her all inclusive KILL SHELTER <{}: ~ ( >
And here's janet an nessa's PREDICTABLE results:
nessa wrote:
> Sadly my big beautiful black Bagel went to Rainbow
> Bridge on September 18 due to a severe debilitating
> neck injury that left him unable to walk and in pain
> when he moved his head.
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: Jezebel is gone
<the.longest.username.availa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1d176313-bb06-4898...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
She passed last night at 4 am. She had been having neck pain
which we had been taking her to the vet about since Sunday.
We woke up at 3 am to her throwing up and
there was a significant amount of blood in it.
We then had her sleeping between us while we figured out
what to do and at 4 am I got up to let my mother in law in.
She was breathing when I got up and when I came back she had
stopped. I tried to revive her with CPR, but did not succeed.
She was approximately one year old and I wish I had been
able to spend more than just the two short months with her.
Nick
------------------------
nick wrote:
> > "I know were not "hurting" her when we hold
> > her down, as the force is not enough to do
> > any damage..."
> Wow - ONE comment.
You've already said enough, nicky.
> Do I do it any more?
You mean, beat your wife kids and dog, nicky?
> NO.
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
WHAT CHANGED, nicky?
> > Serviette?
> Touche?
Yeah. SCHTUPPED... BUT GOOD, to say the least, nicky.
> I dunno HOWE you do it, Jerry.
It's EZ, nicky. It's ALL in The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Archives on Google.com, nicky.
> You come on these boards to do
> nothing but troll and flame and
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES,
like yourself, nicky.
> give NOTHING back.
Let's take your temperature?
> People make mistakes -
NOT HERE.
HERE they make ON-PUPORSES.
> did I Do the right thing initially with my pup? NO -
DUH-OH?
> why do you think I came to post on the boards!
You came here for the SAME SAME SAME
SAME REASON the rest of these LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS and ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES come
here, nicky. You WANTED to LEARN HOWE to
HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog ENOUGH to
MAKE IT RESPECT your G-D like AUTHORITY.
> I don't so much as look at her crosseyed now,
On accHOWENTA SHE'S DEAD an BURIED <{}: ~ ( >
> so why don't you stop?
And THAT would make nicky VERY VERY
VERY HAPPY, WOULD IT, nicky??
> Nick
HOWEDY nick,
Looks like your "DOG WHEEESPERER" trainin BROKE HER NECK.
That happens pretty often here, DON'T IT <{}: ~ ( >
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
WELCOME BACK TO THE FOLD, nessa,
you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASE <{}'; ~ ) >
Here's janet's PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs to DESTROY her HOWES
an TURN ON HER:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
90 From: Sionnach
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006
Email: "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com>
*I* was thanking the Deity that the NCR trail
was not my choice of hiking area today!!!!
Sorry, Paul, but the gloves are now off, because if I HAD
chosen the NCR trail today - rather than another local trail-
you would have been putting ***MY*** beloved dogs at
risk of serious injury or death. ***MY*** DOGS.
What the FUCKING HELL is **WRONG** with you???
Your dog, which you have repeatedly admitted you can't
control, just made a near-lethal unprovoked attack on
another dog in obedience class, and you TOOK HIM
OUT ON THE TRAILS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER
DOGS?????
You do that again, when my dogs are around, and he attacks
one of them, you won't have to worry about having him put
down - I will either break his spine or choke him to death
right then and there.
I'm dead fucking serious, Mr. Schoen.
----------------------
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> > Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
LIKE THIS:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@msn.com)
: Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
:
: Date: 2002-04-10
: "BethF" wrote:
: > I don't think any of our regulars bite
: > their dogs ears to leash train them.
: He's repeating one of Jerry's confabulations... I did,
: once, lightly nip a seriously out-of-control, temper-
: tantruming Labrador on the ear to get her attention.
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
>: news:bvtf67$106jeh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > <yawn> Once again- that's NOT a quote
: > from any post of mine; JH "wrote" it, not me.
:
: No, that's a flat HOWET lie, sinofabich. It's a
: direct quote from YOU, with exception of TWO
: WORDS, "smartly" and "neatly."
:
: > It's quotes from two different posts, by two
: > different people -
:
: ONLY if you're SCHIZOPHRENIC, sinofabitch.
:
: > both taken out of context-
:
: YOU'RE A LIAR.
:
: We got your original post in The Puppy Wizard's Archives.
:
: You'll see your own words EXXXACTLY as QUOTED.
: And we'll likeWIZE see you DENYING your own words
: in three different ways!!!
:
: > and with extra wording added in by a third person.
:
: NO. YOU'RE A LIAR.
:
: The ONLY "extra words," SMARTLY and NEATLY,
: were INDEEDY, added by The Puppy Wizard, HOWEver
: they were NOT SIGNIFICANT, except for poetic license:
:
: You're a liar and a dog abuser and a MENTAL CASE:
:
: "When it was obvious that she had NO intention
: of paying any attention to anything but the other
: dogs (and that I was in danger of having my arm
: dislocated <G>), I didn't even think about it; I
: dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the
: Lab's shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with
: my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on
: her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear (not
: particularly hard- I wasn't trying to *hurt* her,
: just get her attention!)."
:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@msn.com)
: Subject: Re: I dropped the leash!
: Date: 2003-12-15 07:55:16 PST
:
: > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
: > Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
: > Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
: > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
: > And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
:
: <yawn> That's not a quote written by me, kiddo.
: That's an amalgam of two different people's posts,
: with extra words added by Jerry.
:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@msn.com)
: Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
:
: Date: 2002-04-10
: "BethF" wrote:
: > I don't think any of our regulars bite their dogs ears
: > to leash train them.
:
: He's repeating one of Jerry's confabulations... I did,
: once, lightly nip a seriously out-of-control, temper-
: tantruming Labrador on the ear to get her attention.
:
: It had fuck-all to do with leash training though, and
: everything to do with getting through to an incredibly
: hard-headed, tough-minded, and spoiled-rotten dog
: that A. she was NOT going to physically control me
: the way she had every other female human she'd dealt
: with and B. that I was worth paying attention to.
:
: It came up in a discussion where someone else
: mentioned having nipped a terrier puppy who
: wouldn't stop play-biting. In both cases, it was a
: one-time instinctive response to an unusual situation.
:
: --------------------
: sinofabitch writes:
: > >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
: > >> took posts from two different people,
: > >> took pieces of them out of context,
: > >> cobbled them together,
: > >> then added his own words:
:
: "Neatly," and "Smartly."
:
: > >> and a fake signature.
:
: "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
:
: > >> Which is exactly what he did.
: > >> The actual quote is misleading
: > >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
: > >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
: > > Here's Jerry's version
: > > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
: > > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
: > > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
: > > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
: > > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
: > > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
: > > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
: > > Here's yours;
: > > "I dropped the leash, threw my
: > > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
: > > grabbed her opposite foot with my
: > > left hand, rolled her on her side,
: > > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
: > > nipped her ear.
: > > --Sara Sionnach
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
See?
> If the dog is barking when nobody is home, the answer
> can be as simple as not giving access to the view.
That so, janet?
> I prefer electronic bark collars over citronella as I feel they are much
> more fair (the scent of citronella lingers far beyond the correction).
INDEED?:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon
or leather choke collar) over his snarly little
head, and give him a stern correction"
--Janet Boss
Here's janet's CUSTOM MADE
pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an
> > insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had a pointer
> > ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS. I don't
> > have anything against electronic bark collars, but they should be used
> > in conjunction with actually working at training your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
-------------------
SEE?
LIKE THIS, you pathetic piece of crap:
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER PAL an janet's
REAL LIFE IN PERSON "students" paul an Muttley:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!