Chasing squirrels
lindalee
of teaching my dog Sunshine, who has a very high prey drive, to not go
after squirrels when on a walk. It took a few trials but he can now
walk right past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard. Using Jerry
Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when he saw a
squirrel and then praised him and kept on walking past the squirrel.
Where we live in Michigan we lots of squirrels and he was always
wanting to chase them up a tree. Jerry's approach of sound and praise
really works. I think the people who discount his methods have never
tried the method because it works everytine. Sometimes it takes a
little practice to get the sound from different directions but I was
able to change Sunshine's behavior in just a week after we moved back
to Michigan.
Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical corrections just won't
work but using sound and praise he is a really great dog who opens
doors, picks up things I drop, and
and helps me a lot. If you have a behavior problem with your dog get a
copy of Jerrry's manual and solve your problem!
Rocky
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Using Jerry
> Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when he
> saw a squirrel and then praised him and kept on walking
> past the squirrel.
What kind of dog do you have?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
WienerDog
llindal...@msn.com says...
> I have not posted to the group for awhile but want to share my success
> of teaching my dog Sunshine, who has a very high prey drive, to not go
> after squirrels when on a walk. It took a few trials but he can now
> walk right past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard. Using Jerry
> Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when he saw a
Hello lindaleedaniel,
Just wanted to warn you about this pervert,
newsgroup abuser and convicted felon who is trolling
the room. His alias is The Amazing Puppy Wizard
and real name is Jerry Howe.
Since you are new here, you just got hooked by replying
to this well known netloon and troll. Once he baits you
as he does with others, you became troll bait and he will flame
you and harass you through this newsgroup and in email.
PLEASE killfile this well known Jerry Howe aka
The Puppy Wizard who is using alot of alias in
here. He is a pathological liar, pervert and
bastard net kook.
All he does is slander and defame people in
here and never listens when told to stop. He knows
nothing about dog training or canine behavior.
He just makes this up, his nose gets longer and
longer like Pinocchio due to lying for years
and he has been abusively trolling this newsgroup
and others for years.
He keeps putting " XXX " in each word, which means
that he is so perverted and he is mentally ill and
off his medication and it is better that all of
you keep him in your killfiles for the time being.
Please avoid replying to messages from all his aliases.
The aliases to killfile are:
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet"
<AtHisMas...@MuchoMail.Com>
AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory HushMail.Com
AtHisMastersFeet MuchoMail.Com
IHateToSayItButITOLDYOUSO Inbox.Com
MarshallDermerAlpha1UofWI MUCHOMAIL.COM
PerryStalsis Animail.Net
TheAmazingPussyWizard HushMail.Com
TheAmazingPuppyWizard Mail.Com
ThePuppyFaerie AniMail.Net
ThePuppyProphet AniMail.Net
ThePuppyWizard
ThePussyWizard
ba...@yahoo.com
Jason James
Add them to the killfilters in your newsreader program to
block him permanently.
buzzsaw
dog that wants to go after squirrels.
I would like to see you work it? If it is true would you be willing to
meet up ?
LEt me know please.
"lindalee" <llindal...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1137897250.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
buzzsaw wrote:
> Where are you at in Michigan?
Professora Daniel an Sunshine live near the University.
HOWEver, they live in Florida for the winter and receive
visits occasionally from The and Mrs. Amazing Puppy
Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
> I live here as well with a high prey drive dog that wants to go after squirrels.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has been tellin you that you can TRAIN
your dog not to chase squirrels in just a couple minutes but you gotta
DO EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE
you been taught by diddler and her lying dog abusing punk thug coward
mentally ill EXXXPERT pals <{) ; ~ ) >
> I would like to see you work it?
Although Professor Daniel would LOVE to allHOWE you to meet
herself an Sunshine you AIN'T gonna be ABLE to observe her
"work" with him on the squirrels issue, timmy. Sunshine DON'T
PAY THEM NO NEVER MIND on accHOWENT Of HE'S TRAINED.
> If it is true would you be willing to meet up ?
Of curse it's TRUE, timmy. HOWEver when a dog is TRAINED
we DON'T GOT to DO NUTHIN on accHOWENT of the dog
DON'T DO THAT nomore <{) ; ~ ) >
> LEt me know please.
Here's HOWE to DO it, timmy:
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
need any additional FREE HEELP. Start at
the beginin and follow ALL the INSTRUCTIONS
PRECISELY otherWIZE you will surely FAIL <{} ; ~ ) >
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of
a cat bowl without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around
the bowls :-)
I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogstried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there
is food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we
go out and leave the dogs with access inside through
a dog door.
Paul
> "James Roberts" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:3C637444...@privacy.net...
> I have downloaded and have read Jerry's Wit's End
> document.
>
> Ignoring what you think of his participation, what
> is your assessment of the merits of his techniques?
Paul B <pand...@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c63...@clear.net.nz...
Hello James,
have used his recommended techniques and
ideas with great success, and over the period
I've used these methods the more I've become
to understand and appreciate how his methods
work and how effective they can be if carried out
correctly.
His manual isn't conventional and as such gets
critisized and misunderstood. The basic concept
is to allow the dog to choose whatever behaviour
it wants for any situation but to distract (and
immediately praise ) it from behaviours we deem
undesirable, because of the correctly timed
distractions repeated usually about 4 times (in
each location) the dog decides of it own accord
that this behaviour is undesriable and therefore
pursues something else, if that behaviour is also
inappropriate to us then we carry on distracting,
very soon the dog finds a behaviour that is mutually
acceptable.
The benefits of this type of approach are numerous,
firstly we aren't challenging the dog so there is no
conflict so the dog does't develop any possible
negativity to us, the dog decides of it own free will
that a behaviour is unsatisfying so chooses to cease
it (in other words even if we are gone the dog won't
have any desire to pursue that behaviour.e.g. bin
raiding etc).
I would recommend his manual.
Paul
From: 2tails <wagginta...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:24:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Not to mention, the manual has a lot regarding how
dogs think, which can't be explained just by a short
description of "what to do." The psychology behind
the method is needed so that the person reading it
will be able to figure out their dogs' problems by
themselves. Problems, as in "why is my dog doing
'X,'" and figuring out ways to address it, if necessary.
So, with all of that in mind, I've been addressing
the digging over the last few days or so. With each
dog, I have caught them digging once, and addressed
it through sound distraction and praise. After a few
instances of sound distraction/praise, each dog stopped
digging at that time.
Following this, there was no digging in my yard for
about three days. Yesterday I noticed they had dug
a little in a couple of their favorite holes. Following
Jerry's advice, I addressed these using dropped penny cans.
So there has been improvement in their digging.
I'll keep you updated if you are interested.
regards,
Lisa
"Paul B" <pand...@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2a...@clear.net.nz...
Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions
at all, people who find the manual useful are those
that don't need to control a dog to satisfy their
own ego but simply want a well behaved dog that is
easy to live with.
I would suggest the people who follow the advice in
his manual are people who have already tried other
inefficient methods and are fed up with the poor results.
The more I think about the methods he suggests the
more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell
it whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand our
values and I don't believe they are capable of
understanding them either, so to train them we use
methods they understand. That means abstract training,
doing sometimes what appears to almost be the opposite
of what makes sense to us.
If you are purely result orientated then you will not
find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
and love to work WITH them then his manual is your
dream come true.
Distraction and praise works with any dog, when you sit
back and really think about it, it's very obvious why.
When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have
any interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or
not, thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and
food stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just
distracting it in an appropriate manner that it no
longer wishes to pursue that behaviour.
Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
Paul
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
>So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was
still using the e-fence and chains to keep her
in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach
home were: build a fence... wasn't going to
happen.. we plan on putting a modular home here
within the next few years... put more fence at
the top of the pen I used so both dogs could
play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar
suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training...
but he was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no
killfiles with webtv.. at that time Jerry had his
own troll, somewhat like Candace, so the group was
not very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll
find my first post at "runaway dog message 30" within
that thread is mention of the dogs taking off and being
gone for 2 days. I stopped posting for a bit... my
middle boy was devastated that his dog was gone...
Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put
it in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless
you put stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and
read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented
it on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused
me to lose another wonderful dog.
Peach was an absolute gem with little kids. I and
my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look to
see if she came home when we get back from trips.
Maybe Peach would still have ran away...
I don't know and never will....
~misty
From: "BethF" <d...@alaska.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:23:14 -0900
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28899-3C4...@storefull-236.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Yes, some dogs are just good dogs but... Zelda
used to destroy stuff..kids toys, stuffed animals,
shoes, and even my pillow. She would pee in the
house. She would go on barking jags because the
neighbor's dogs were barking.
By using Jerry's manual I worked things out...
I got rid of the crate and put the kibosh on
plans of getting another shock collar (for
e-fence) and had a plan to follow which trained
Zelda to stay in her yard and not go roaming
with her buddies.
Zelda came ito my life as a 3-4 month old pup who
lived outside, ran free and had never been inside.
We adopted her and then her mom, spayed both and
tried to cope with one dog who refused to stay
home... jumped fences, broke chains and finally
chewed off collar to be able to go go go. Peach
didn't come back the last time.
Zelda started out running off with her mm and her
buddies.. she continued to do so until I did the
step by step plan Jerry's manual outlines.
She stays home... she doesn't chew up stuff and
she is 1000% housebroken.
Again.. Jerry might be "crazy" but his methods
work and they are free...
~misty
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not
given you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and
AFRAID of losing their careers and reputations....
Stick around, we're just startin to have
FUN learning and sharing...J;~)
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news:
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern
had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
=====================
misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
our yard again.
The price was too high:-( ~misty
--------------------------------
From: "Paul B" <NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz> -
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:15:16 +1200
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
I gave up trying figure out how dogs think due
to the futility of it. One thing is for certain,
they do not think like a person, nor do they view
the world as we view it therefore any logic that
we try to apply may not have the desired effect
on a dog. Often things we can't explain get results
where as a logical approach doesn't. I'm impressed
with the results of distraction and praise, both the
effectiveness and the speed of a result.
The problem of trying to figure out what a dog is
thinking is if you are misinterpreting it then your
not teaching the dog but most probably confusing the
dog.
Sound distraction and praise is good because you aren't
been negative to the dog, if you want the dog to stop a
behaviour you distract and praise, the dog will lose
interest in that particular behaviour and moves onto
something that is mutually acceptable without any
psychological consequences.
Paul
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 12 Jul 2001 23:49:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Hi Aligata,
I teach a laboratory course in applied behavior
analysis with this text:
Sulzer-Azaroff, B., & Mayer, G. R. (1991).
Behavior analysis for lasting change.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
(Marshall Dermer) writes:
>In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>
> tami sutherland <suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>> were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
>
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps,
> IMMEDIATELY pick her up ONLY by the skin at the
> back of her neck, for 5 sec, and loudly say, "NO!"
> Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold her mouth shut
> for say 15 sec.
>
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
===========
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 10 Jul 2001 20:28:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Dear Lisa,
I think your response is GREAT!
Now consider this, using your analogy, which
theory would you rather embrace? One that only
addresses the behavior of a single planet or
one that addresses the behavior of many planets?
If you would like to consider the theory with
broader scope then point your browser to:
and explore all the issues ("planets")
addressed in the far left column.
There are behavior analytic dog trainers, as
well as animal trainers, clinical psychologists,
eductional psychologists, school psychologists,
industrial psychologists, social workers,
anthropologists, instructional designers, etc.
There are scores of behavior analytic web sites
and even one entire Department of Behavior Analysis
as well as various journals.
And without a doubt, every behavior analyst
I have ever met is far more civil than is the
promoter of the DDR.
--Marshall
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.
Hello Jenn,
"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message
news:397cf...@news.oanet.com...
> Hello Jerry,
> I just wanted to let you know that I am
> trying this right now.
Good.
> I am the woman who wrote to you a while
> ago about trying to walk my dog without the
> pinch collar.
I recall.
> She also goes APE when I grab the leash.
> We have been doing this technique you
> recommend for about a half an hour now
> and the results are already fantastic, as
> well as amusing!
Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.
> At first, we went out and I stood there,
> and Anya kept trying to head out to the
> sidewalk. When I didn't follow, she came
> and sat beside me at heel! (Thanks to
> your help!) She'd NEVER done that before.
It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.
> I rewarded that with a few steps of a walk,
> but we came in after about 30 seconds. She
> stopped and looked at me as if she were
> thinking, "What? But we just got out here!"
> The second and third times, she was even
> MORE eager when she saw the leash, and
> I got the same look when I turned around
> to go back in. The fourth time, she just
> bounced a bit as she walked to the door
> with me, and sat nicely to wait until I hooked
> up the leash, and this last time, I HAD
> TO CALL HER TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it
usually happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.
Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.
Likewise for any other door.
It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.
> If I knew it would be that easy, I would have
> done this a long time ago saving myself 5
> years of dealing with a bouncy, over excited dog!
The non force methods work fast and easy
because we are not challenging the dog or
calling our attention to their behavior problems.
> I have to tell you how the walk is going though.
> I have a lot of problems there, but it is all ME.
> I have been so conditioned to "correct" her,
> that I still find myself yanking on her collar.
Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.
> I feel so awful! We have only been working
> in the yard without distractions, because I
> honestly don't know what will happen if she
> sees another dog and I won't have the pinch
> collar to keep her from dragging me over for
> a fight.
You know that working the dog in the back
yard is not preferable, because that causes
them some anxiety because it's their free area.
But with your dog and with the difficulty he is
to handle, I don't see any reason you shouldn't
do the Family Leadership Exercise and the come
command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.
> The upside is, when I take the leash off it's
> hook and don't take the pinch collar, her
> excitement to go for a walk is NO LONGER
> combined with the intense fear I used to see
> in her eyes at the sight of the pinch!
Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch
collar works by overriding the opposition reflex
through fear and that cause tremendous stress
and anxiety that must be released through anxiety
relief mechanisms like barking, digging, whining,
chewing, self mutilation and aggression.
> That does it for me. I can't believe I instilled
> fear in my beautiful dog just for the sake that
> I didn't know how to train. Well, I still don't
> know how, but I'm learning!
That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.
> Thanks for your help. Please send more
> suggestions if you saw something I could
> be doing differently!
> Jenn & Anya
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
>Paul B wrote:
> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
> I haven't read any other advice that says to
> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
> does next (the common advice is to praise once
> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own
> experiences is an important part of the process.
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
--Marshall
=================
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1...@uwm.edu...
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:
> There really is NOTHING new about
> the advice above!
Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, professr:
"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.
I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
Wonderfully.
Praise.
It's that simple.
Juanita
"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfN...@comcast.com...
Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"
Yoshi: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH Youshi
Yoshi Bark, bark......................
us: Hush Youshi
Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................i
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yoshi: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:30:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Digging behaviour
Hello professor lying doc dermer,
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:9k55k2$q52$1...@uwm.edu...
> In article <f7fec19e.0107301703.46fe1...@posting.google.com>
kathleen78...@yahoo.com (Kathleen Allen) writes:
>
> > I am the new owner of a 3 1/2 year old field
> > trained english pointer. She is a very sweet
> > dog, but is systematically tearing up my backyard.
> > I have taken her to obedience classes, but as soon
> > as I think she has learned something with constant
> > reinforcement she throws me a curve and digs up
> > another plant. I've had springer spaniels and
> > brittany's and neither has had this destructive
> > behaviour.
NO PROBLEM. Digging holes or eating poo or jumping
fences or barking or chewing are EASY problems to
fix, if you know HOWE, and they're even EASIER to
PREVENT, using appropriate, non force, non
confrontational training techniques. The most common
cause of behavior problems is our INAPPROPRIATE and
INEFFECTIVE training "methods," like the ones our
Gang Of Thugs endorse.
> > Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Hmmm, PROBLEMO! All we're gonna get for advice from
our Thugs, is to HURT the damned dog, because our
Thugs don't have the intellect to HOWETWIT the cunning
of the domestic puppy dog.
> > I have tried to contact the organization that
> > field trained her but to no avail.
They probably won't have much better advice than
we'd get from our Thugs here on rpdb.
> > She is whistle trained to come, but that does
> > not help when she has a 85.00 plant in her mouth.
Right. That's why I teach people HOWE to handle and
train their dogs PROPERLY, so we don't NEED to hurt
and intimidate dogs to train them.
> > Thanks.. Kate
> Kate,
> I used www.google.com with the keywords "dog"
> and "digging." Take a look at these:
I did, professor. I found all your "RESOURCES" to
be ABUSIVE and INEFFECTIVE, you miserable fraud.
> --Marshall
Paul broke digging in a few minutes over a couple
of days, as did Lisa. Digging holes is a very simple
problem to break, using sound distraction and praise
techniques as taught in my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.
Your recommended reading is EXACTLY why I've had to
discredit and embarrass you as I have. You are a lyng,
dog abusing Thug, professor.
The "information" you recommend uses PAIN, FEAR, FORCE,
and INTIMIDATION to HURT dogs instead of training them.
That's why you don't stand a chance as a behaviorist,
professor, becasue you are a bona fide THUG.
Here's the advice from your behavioral "resources:"
This pearl of wisdom from your recommended list is
from our dog abusing lying Thug, adam katz:
"Now, I know that to fix any behavior problem I need
to make the dog experience a NEGATIVE ASSOCIATION with
the actual ACT of doing that behavior. In this case,
digging in the garden.
And he needs to experience that same negative
association EVERY TIME HE DIGS!
In this case, I must be 100% diligent to never leave
Forbes unsupervised in the yard when there is another
dog in the yard. Of course, if he was digging by himself,
then I'd need to confine him to a kennel run where he
cannot dig when I'm not supervising him.
Or if there is another dog visiting then I will
need to bring Forbes inside, put him in the kennel
run, or use the presence of the other dog as a "set
up."
The next step is to make sure that he associates
that negative (correction) just as he starts to dig.
There are two ways I can do this:
The Lazy Man's Way and the Old Fashioned Way.
Both methods are based on the same principle.
The Old Fashioned Way to make sure that the dog
gets a motivational negative association when he
digs is to:
Step 1.) Leave a pinch collar and tab (one foot
leash) on the dog when he's outside in the yard
with another dog.
Step 2.) Bury hardware mesh or chicken wire in
the spot where he's been digging. The chicken
wire should be buried two to three inches below
the surface.
Dogs don't like scraping their paws against this
stuff. So, right off the bat you've got an immediate
negative association.
Step 3.) Spy on him and just wait until he start to dig.
Step 4.) As soon as he begins to dig, yell "No No No!"
as you run outside and give the dog a correction.
As long as you continue to say "No no no" as you run
to the dog, the dog WILL still associate the correction
with the behavior.
Step 5.) Be 100% consistent until you are 100% sure
that the dog isn't digging any more.
The Lazy Man's Way to fix this problem behavior is to
use a remote electronic collar (e-collar). Everything
else remains the same.
(Click on the link above to read about my recommendations
for buying a remote electronic training collar).
When using the e-collar for this behavior, I'd turn
the setting up to the high level. Your goal is to
create absolute avoidance to this behavior (digging
in the garden).
And you want him to think that the dirt just jumped
up and bit him! Usually if you correct the dog with
the electronic collar for this type of behavior,
you've only got to do it twice before the dog decides
that it's in his best interest to leave your garden alone."
============
Here's something from "johnknows best," where our
professor will find himself in his element:
"FILL THE HOLE COMPLETELY WITH YOUR DOG'S POOP.
I don't mean just a little bit either. Fill it to
the brim and then cover it up with a little bit
of dirt."
And of course, there's the obligatory HURT
the dog someMOORE from 'perfectpaws':
"If your dog just likes to dig in your flower
garden or a special area that you can isolate,
there are electronic containment systems that
are normally used to keep dogs in but can also
be used to keep dogs out. Some provide a mild
shock but another we have discovered, and have
chosen to use and sell ourselves, provides a
burst of citronella spray when the boundary
is crossed."
========
Seems it's time to find a new job, professor.
HOWE are you at throwing trash barrels?
As a behaviorist, all you are is a Thug, LIAR and FRAUD.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training Really Works,
They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise It's
A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With Any Situation
And The Foundation Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them they
are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once I told them
they were bad dogs and they ran away from me, now I only
ever tell them they are good dogs and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find
your dog thinking then responding everytime.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog AFTER he sit's apart from
been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't
sit then there's no positive interaction.
Paul
Subject: < BEFORE > "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER > "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
>
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Animal Behavior Sciences
Forensic Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{TPW) ; ~ ) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW;~}>
oo-oo
lindalee
saved my dog--before using Jerry's methods my dog was out of control
and was going to hurt someone. I have used his method and it works.
lindalee
Rocky
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I have mixed breed-part golden who about 80 pounds
Thanks for the response.
What is your definition of "very high prey drive?"
Norman M. Schwartz
"lindalee" <llindal...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1137897250.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
Sensitive? Once my dog sensed that he wasn't able to climb trees he ceased
chasing squirrels, and ignored them.
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
>I have mixed breed-part golden who about 80 pounds
Get a high prey drive breed and then come back and tell us about your
success with Jerry's method.
Mustang Sally
Alison
news:1137897250.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
I'm glad its worked for you. This wouldn't worked for me
with Dibby as he is sound sensistive and it would frightend
him. Not that he chases squirrels, anyway.
You can also reinforce the praise with a treat as often
praise isn't enough. It's a weak reinforcer if you have a
dog with a high prey drive.
I taught Dibby *watch me* which is useful to get a dog to
focus on you.
Alison
buzzsaw
Nothing works.
He has a HIGH HIGH prey drive and is determined. I do not believe the
prey drive can be extinguished.
sighthounds & siberians
Neither do I. It can't be controlled using praise and distractions,
either.
Mustang Sally
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
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Norman M. Schwartz wrote:
> "lindalee" <llindal...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1137897250.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Sunshine is a very sensitive dog
INDEEDY.
> Sensitive?
ALL dogs children an ladies are VERY SENSITIVE critters <{) ; ~ ) >
>From your pryor postings:
> From: "Norman M. Schwartz" <n...@optonline.net>
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005
> Subject: Re: Ebay-What feedback should I leave
> If I gotta explain it, you probably won't understand it...
> like explaining a LvB Symphony or most other opus to
> somebody.
> Norman M. Schwartz
"Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness
that created them. If you can't explain it to a six year old, you
don't understand it yourself. We shall require a substantially
new manner of thinking if mankind is to survive," -- Albert Einstein
Of curse the problems of dog training and behavior and the PRECISE
NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC CONDITIONING / DESENSITIZATION
INSTRUCTIONS as taught in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual CAN BE understood
and practiced by ANY FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD *(with a little heelp from
mommy) cite: yur own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> From: "Norman M. Schwartz" <n...@optonline.net>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:16:52 -0500
> Subject: Dog Shaking Himself
> My dog, a 120 lb. Rottie, is a big "huggy".
So called "HUGGING" and licking are SUBMISSIVE behaviors.
> After I finish hugging him, (which I often do), he shakes himself vigorously.
THAT *could be* a REFLEXIVE "fear of intimacy (subordination)"
behavior, kinda
like HOWE a child will "wipe off" a kiss from grammar or a family
friend <{) ; ~ ) >
"Familiarity breeds CONTEMPT"
cite: your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> After a hugging session during a check-up at the Vet's office, and he
> displayed this behavior, the doc stated he wants to make sure nothing
> flew off of you and onto him (jokingly, I hope).
Of curse he was jokin. HOWEver, dogs DO NOT DO things for NO REASON,
cite:
your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> My question is how many dog owners experience this same shaking ritual,
That's a new WON (in this context) to The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~
) >
> and do you think this is some "instinctive" behavior to guard against
> what my Vet suggested?
No, certainly not. HOWEver, ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT REPEATABLE
or PREDICTABLE CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHE or put on command i.e. CUED
nearly instantly, cite: your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> Once my dog sensed that he wasn't able to climb trees
> he ceased chasing squirrels, and ignored them.
That's interesting. There's a couple possible REASONS for THAT.
Could be your dog's EXXXTINGUSIHMENT of the behavior was
by means of "FLOODING", i.e., he simply "wore hisself HOWET"
trying unsuccessfully to achieve catchin his pray. Or it could be
he injured hisself banging into or falling off of the tree, i.e. an
aversive.
When behavior problems are ignored, repressed or avoided they only
CHANGE to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors.
Could be his "shaking after hugging" is related to his squirrel chasing
behavior, e.g., HUNTING is a PACK behavior. When you failed to
participate
in his pray drive behavior he may have lost a degree of CONFIDENCE
in you as his teammate, therefore REJECTS your intimacy <{) : ~ ( >
e.g:
"What did work for her, at last, was chasing squirrels
with the dog. I believe she used a harness with a long
line and a snapback, not to correct the dog, but to ensure
that during training he simply wasn't able to enjoyably
chase squirrels without her cooperation.
Each time he focused on her rather than a nearby squirrel,
the reward was that they chased the squirrel together."
"Elizabeth Naime" <ena...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
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> Quoth Handsome Jack Morrison
> <me10...@privacy.net.invalid> on Sat, 20 Nov 2004
> 02:15:55 GMT,
>
>What's the difference between making, say, a
>hard-charging field-bred retriever (say an equally
>independent Chessie) "reliably do something that is
>completely contrary to its wiring," e.g.,
<SNIP>
Couple of years ago by now, a woman with fox
terriers wrote about training a recall on the
clicktrain list. She had used a long line and
proofed for distractions per Koehler; yet the dog
knew when he was on a line and when not, and
would ignore her when there were squirrels to chase.
She had used an e-collar under the direction of a
professional, who said he had never met a dog who
could tell whether he was wearing the real thing or
the dummy collar, as her dog seemed able to.
Heck, they're terriers. Chasing squirrels or other
irresistable prey, they'll scramble through thorny
bushes, tumble down rocky hills, and the prey could
always bite back (though I'm thinking more of badger
dogs -- the Cairn Terrier, the West Highland White
Terrier, and the hunting Dachshund -- badgers are
reputed to be pretty tough critters). And none of
that diminishes the fun. What's a few scratches and
lumps and bruises? And what are corrections
from a long line or an e-collar in the face of such
delightful temptation?
What did work for her, at last, was chasing
squirrels with the dog. I believe she used a harness
with a long line and a snapback, not to correct the
dog, but to ensure that during training he simply
wasn't able to enjoyably chase squirrels without her
cooperation.
Each time he focused on her rather than a
nearby squirrel, the reward was that they
chased the squirrel together.
The fact that his best friend and fellow squirrel
chaser was a bit clumsly and let the squirrels
get away didn't bother him... apparently the
chase was the best part.
Once he got the picture (not long at all) the dog took
to running over and stepping on her foot when there
was chasable prey about... which pretty much took
care of the squirrel chasing problem, as she was
then able to pick him up and/or reward him with a
joint chase when appropriate and not too
embarassing.
A good while after this training success, she found
that he would run and touch her foot to alert her to
prey *she* hadn't seen yet. Which gave her time to
pick him up the time he saw the chicken first...
There are limits, obviously. You can't chase deer
with your dog; ain't proper and the game warden's
not gonna be happy with it.
However, I think there's a lesson here for all trainers,
about the dog knowing what's reinforcing and what's
not (treats ranking lower than squirrels for this dog)
and about modifying "drives," setting rules and limits
rather than trying to "put a stop to it" entirely.
So the retriever gets to chase and retrieve birds,
the scent hound gets to use his nose, the terrier
gets to chase the prey, the greyhound gets to lure
course (or, squeamish though I personally might be
about it, open-field course)... on the handler's
terms.
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*(For the record, elizabeth AIN'T WON of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students, she's a regular
member of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards
and Active Acute Chronic Long Term INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.
Her pal who reported EXXXTINGUISHING the squirrel chasing was
using LeeCharlesKelley's METHOD of "TRAINING IN DRIVE")
IOW, could be he's "throwin you the finger".
LIKE THIS:
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Of curse, THAT'S only The Amazing Puppy Wizard's suppHOWEsition
given the limited CASE HISTORY DATA of your backgrHOWEND <{) ; ~ ) >
All THAT notwithstanding, you CAN EXXXTINGUISH his shaking behavior
in just a few repetitions if you STUDY and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS
in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
IT'S EZ! All you gotta do is cause him to shake when you're PREPARED
and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS briefly alternately snappin your fingers
on either side of his head ACCORDING TO THE METHOD and INSTANTLY
praise each sound for 5-15 seconds and INSTANTLY repeat the distraction
and praise as soon as the behavior PREDICTABLY RESUMES following the
brief alternating D/P and failing THAT, ask him to come as you step
back to
BRIEFLY interrupt the shaking behavior and REPEAT the process till
EXXXTINCTION <{) ; ~ ) >
Of curse, THAT will REQUIRE you to INSTALL the come
command as a conditional reflex. LIKE THIS:
ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw
Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!
the first time I ask.
Best of Luck to you,
Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
Cheers
Barb
AND LIKE THIS:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAI
Sunshine is still acting like a new dog! Saw a dog
today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out
of him. Think it is hard for him but he never even
seemed to think about going off-reacting. I would
love to write a testimonial but can not seem to find
the site--please send the address--
The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
-Sunshine come goodboy.
OR LIKE THIS:
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').
Best, ben
===================
AND LIKE THIS:
From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much
Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.
It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work.
He was very confused at first, wondering what he
had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.
Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N
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MrE wrote:
> NEW NEW are you having a laugh,
That so? WHO'S LAUGHIN NHOWE?
> we been studying this in Animal Psychology for years!
CITES PLEASE?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
your university trained behaviorists and CITES
THEM BY NAME and CASE HISTORIES <{) ; ~ ) >
If "we been studying this in Animal Psychology for years!"
you shouldn't have NO PROBLEM CITING YOUR SOURCES.
DO SO and The Amazing Puppy Wizard will DISSAPPEAR
JUST LIKE Mr. Mxyzptlk when Superman TRICKS into sayin
his name backwards <{) ; ~ ) >
NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Amazing Puppy
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TRY THIS:
> <ThePupp...@AniMail.Net> wrote in message
> news:1132878460.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
> > From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
> > a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
> > simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
> > result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
INDEEDY. ALL temperament and behavior problems
are CAUSED BY MSHANDLING, that's HOWE COME
they can be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
by simply PRAISING "BAD BEHAVIORS".
Most behavior problems are only "negative attention"
getting technuques. THAT'S HOWE COME we can
EXXXTINGUISH MOST "BAD BEHAVIORS" by simply
PRAISING IN ADVANCE <{) ; ~ ) >
> > This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
A mammal brain is a mammal brain. SEZ SO in your
own FREE COPY of The Amaxzing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> > You don't believe in the validity of this
> > particular model of learning?
Of curse not. But just the FACT that they DON'T UNDERSTAND
iti is SECONDARY to the FACT that HOWER DOG LOVERS DO
NOT WANT to "NOT PUNISH" "BAD BEHAVIORS". It makes them
FEEL impotent and inferior to their subjects. Punishing "BAD
BEHAVIORS" makes them FEEL P-HOWERFUL and IN CON-TROLL
and asuages their fragil defective, weak fearful minds and compensates
for their inferiority complexes. It's part of their sociopathology:
"Neurotics complain of their illness, but they make the most of it, and
when it comes to talking it away from them they will defend it like a
lioness her young," Sigmund Freud
> > You don't think it makes sense?
Naaaah. These simpletons AIN'T GOT the wherewithall to consider
ANY THING other than their own sensitivities and needs. JUST LOOK
HOWE they THRIVE on their dog's neurotic behavior problems. You'll
NOTICE you DON'T SEE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Trainng
Method Manual Students postin for week after week with the myriad of
BAD BEHAVIORS that MOST EVERY WON of HOWER DOG LOVER do.
You'll SEE in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives on Goodle that ALL
of these abusive mental cases GOT THE SAME "BAD BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
and CHRONIC STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE HEELTH DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) ; ~ ) >
> > Fine, I guess.
What GUESS??? The Amazing Puppy Wizard was C-HOWENTIN on it
to VERIFY ALL HIS INFORMATION to bring to the media and J.Q. Pubic
to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the training and behavior industry.
> > But it makes total sense to me.
Of curse. It MAKES SENSE to ANY INTELLIGENT DECENT
HUMAN BEING. Bye the bye, Lee Charles Kelly is a professional
trainer and friend of The Amazing Puppy Wizard. You'll LOVE his
book "No Bad Dogs Only BAD TRAINERS". Ooops! The Amazing
Puppy Wizard FORGOT with whom he was addressin. You'll HATE
his book, it WON'T MAKE SENSE to you <{) ; ~ ) >
> > And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
All these simpletons know abHOWET Pavlov is he made dogs DROOL.
What they DON'T know abHOWET Pavlov is he likeWIZE made their
EYES pinpoint witHOWET shinin a light on them. THAT IS CONDITIONAL
REFLEX.
> > > > though not many people know this.
We got TWO typs of dog abusers. We got the FEAR FORCE
and INTIMDIATION trainers, and we got the BRIBE IGNORE
and AVOID and hurt and intimidation trainers. That's the tools
of their trade.
They DO NOT understand CONDITIONING or behavior modification
or even motivation, for that matter. They THINK motivation is lurin a
dog with a piece of cheese. They'd NEVER PRAISE a dog IN ADVANCE
for a COMMAND, they ONLY UNDERSTAND PUNISHMENT when the
dog FAILS to DO a "command" for lack of PRAISE IN ADVANCE <{) : ~ ( >
> > "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> > with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> > of its pragmatic significance at a given
> > moment, serve as the reinforcement."
> > IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
> > what reinforces any behavior.
HOWER dog lovers CANNOT EVEN UNDERTAND THAT!
They SEE IT but they STILL THINK it meand the dog DOES
the behavior for the EMOTIONALY REWARD of gettin the
cheese. The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ they SEE their
own qualities in their dogs and cater to their own EMOTIONAL
NEEDS for food affection attention and CON-TROLL just like
HOWE their own parents TRAINED THEM by offering and
withholding praise attention UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST
and RESPECT <{) ; ~ ) >
> > Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
> > atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
> > instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
> > back into the hole. This was 7 years before
> > he died. Up until the very last time he walked
> > through that section of the park (an hour before
> > he went) he checked the base of that tree.
We could have EXXXTINGUISHED THAT behavor in
just a couple of instances of PRAISE IN ADVANCE
and FAILING THAT, a BRIEF, ALTERNATELY VARIABLE
NON PHYSICAL DISTRACTION INSTANTLY followed by
PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE <{) ; ~ ) >
> > He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
> > saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
> > that?
Of curse. There's sories of dogs bein frightened by the
garbage man JUST WON TIME and being aggressive
to ALL men in uniforms forever. HOWE COME then, do
HOWER EXXXPERT DOG TRAINERS FAIL to be able
to TRAIN THEIR OWN DOGS to do or NOT do a behavor
despite their shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collars?
Well PERHAPS the ANSWER is in Pavloves comments:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.
> > Especially those of us with dogs whose
> > prey drives are pretty intense?
Lee Charles Kelley relies on DRIVE training. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard relies on PRAISE trainng. The DIFFERENCE
is, Lee's dogs WORK for their INSTINCTIVE DRIVES (greed)
Vs The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs WORKIN for PURE
PLEASURE of mutual unconditional love trust and respect.
Of curse the EXXXPERTS cannot suss THAT at all, as
they've NEVER LEARNED unconditional love trust and
respect, they ONLY KNOW GREED FEAR and EGO
satisfaction as TAUGHT by their parents.
> > And there are lots of examples that may not
> > even require the prey drive to be active,
> > just a strong desire to do something: a dog
> > who wants to escape from the back yard will
> > learn how to do it once and never forget it,
> > a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
> > bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
> > or re-learn the behavior.
So HOWE COME do HOWER EXXXPERTS rely on
constant repetition aka ROTE training when we KNOW
the dog CAN LEARN NEARLY INSTANTLY???
Perhaps again, Pavlov's comments serve us:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.
> > If something is important to a dog, he'll
> > learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
> > learns it. The trick to getting him to
> > "unlearn" it, is to give him a more
> > emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
INDEED. Alternatively, we can EXXXTINGUSH
ANY BEHAVIOR NEARLY INSTANTLY using
effective scientific conditioning. THAT'S HOWE
COME HOWER EXXXPERTS always COMPLAIN
that "The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ I DIDN'T
DO IT RIGHT" when THE PROOF SEZ they DIDN'T
FOLLOW the INSTRUTIONS otherWIZE the dog
would be CONDITIONED NEARLY INSTANTLY:
From: "lindalee" <llindaleedan...@msn.com>
Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800
Subject: Chasing squirrels
> > With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
> > behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
> > (He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
> > connections, so that was pretty easy.)
> >
> > I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
> > Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
> > then praising the dog, without any physical
> > contact, for 15 seconds.
> >
> > My initial reaction to his technique was that
> > it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
> >
> > I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
> >
> > But in every case except one, when I've followed
> > the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
> > physiological change take place in the dog -
> > - yawning or stretching have been the usual
> > indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
> > the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
SEZ "100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL For ALL Dogs And ALL Handlers And
ALL Behaviors. A DOG IS A DOG" And "For FREE To
Boot" is just to twist the knife, if ya REALLY wanna
know the truth <{) ; ~ ) >
> > I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
> > separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
> > together and fight constantly. I was pretty
> > amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
> > her aggression and start to yawn!
IN MOMENTS.
> > It's too early for me to be convinced that it
> > will work every single time with every single
> > dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
> > on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
> > effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
> > as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
> > from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
> > emotional tension. If you give the dog a
> > replacement behavior that successfully reduces
> > emotional tension, the first behavior will no
> > longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
INDEEDY. Behaviors that are REPRESED only CHANGE
to OTHER, OFTEN WORSE, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED
behaviors as anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS.
> > From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com> -
> > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400
> >
> > Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .
> >
> > Leah:
> >> I'm curious now. Are there any of our more
> >> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn,
> >> Diane, Janet, Belinda, et al)
BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
They're FRAUDS LIARS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES!!!
> >> who have heard of this as a viable method?
The ONLY place you'll see this is in your own FREE
COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wiz'ard's 100%
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> > Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
> > case means being indocrinated into a total
> > misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
> > operates.
PRECISELY.
> > As I said in my post, everything the experts say
> > about dogs is wrong. If the common folklore was
> > true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
> > ever. And it not only works, it works better
> > than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.
AS PROVEN RIGHT HERE through CASE HISTORY DATA.
> > It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
> > to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
> > your dogs.
But they HURT INTIMIDATE and BRIBE their dogs, instead.
And THAT'S HOWE COME they all share THE SAME SAME
temperament, behavior, and chronic heelth DIS-EASES aka
The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) ; ~ ) >
TheAmazing...@mail.com
You mean JUST LIKE HOWE it WORKS for ALL The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER
The WHOWEL WILD WORLD <{) ; ~ ) >
> This wouldn't worked for me
OF CURSE NOT on accHOWENT of you're a DOG ABUSER, alison,
JUST LIKE your lying dog abusing punk thug coward active
acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASE pals here.
> with Dibby as he is sound sensistive
BWEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
So called "S-HOWEND SENSITIVE" dogs are AFRAID on
accHOWENT of they're ABUSED. You can CURE "S-HOWEND
SENSITIVITY" NEARLY INSTANTLY using distraction and
praise and praise in advance.
LIKE THIS:
"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.
I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
Wonderfully.
Praise.
It's that simple.
Juanita
> and it would frightend him.
THAT'S INSANE. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
THAT'S on accHOWENT Of you don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD:
From: Ziggy Simpson
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:05 AM
Subject: Rubbing the lamp again!!
HOWEDY Ziggy,
> Hi, schmeeeee the humble pie eater lol
Nice to hear from you again. We're all outta crow at
the minute... but you had your fill of that the last
time, so it's not necessary noMOORE (cindy moore being
the author of HOWER faq's pages on k9web.com)
Care for some dessert?
> This is working out really good!
INDEED. Sweet, hunh?
> He's so in tune now it's great.
For SHORE!
> Thanks so much.
Thank you for being a dilligent student.
> I'm amazed at how the sound distraction is so effective.
It's MOORE than that, it's the effect of ceasing the negative
interactions and allowing the dog to make choices that he's
comfortable with, which coincidentally suite HOWER desires.
> He looks at the can now like it's his god lol
Hmm. That sounds like he may be viewing the can as a punisher.
The idea is not to threaten with the can, just briefly distract from
different directions so the dog can focus on the praise and the
blank spot the distraction makes. Any sound will do, so long as
it never comes from the same point twice in a row and is always
instantly followed by prolonged non physical praise.
> It's nice not to have to be at loggerheads and avoid all that shit.
Ain't that sweet though!
> Not that he chases squirrels, anyway.
You mean anyHOWE you miserable lying dog abusing mental case. Your
pal marilyn USES The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method DESPITE
that she DOESN'T GIVE CREDIT or CITE HER SOURCES <{); ~ ) >
> You can also reinforce the praise with a treat
NO. Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL scraps of food and
run to HIDE to eat them with their backs to the wall in
a heightened state of alert. Offering fearful dogs food
bribes INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and CAUSES AGGRESSION.
> as often praise isn't enough.
THAT'S INSANE. Your PROBLEM alison, is that you DON'T UNDERSTANT
apupriate handling and training. You ABUSE your dogs on accHOWENT
of you're a MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) >
> It's a weak reinforcer if you have a dog with a high prey drive.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
So called "REINFORCEMENT" is HOWE COME your mental case
pals CANNOT decondition behavior problems, alison <{) ; ~ ) >
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
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Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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"Zack Pellers" <ZackPell...@GUESSWHERE.cc>
wrote in message
dlin...@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
697700b8.0405202039.5c737...@posting.google.com:
Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.
You can start by downloading the free training
manual available on the site above. I used it on
my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.
When I first brought him home from rescue, he
was similar to the way you decribed your dog.
After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
was cured within 72 hours.
-Jack
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
--------------------
> I taught Dibby *watch me* which is useful to
> get a dog to focus on you.
INDEEDY. And THAT'S HOWE COME your dog is AFRAID.
You'd have MURDERED Valerie's dog, alison. REMEMBER?:
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
From: BNTD...@aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Dear Jerry,
It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are
that maligning you and your training manual but
tell them from me that it does work.
Hunter is just doing so well even the people who
advocated putting him down are impressed with him.
I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I
went over there to help her cut his nails. She started
yelling at him for growling at me.
I told her to tell him what a good boy he is instead.
Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could do his
nails. All 4 feet.
My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull
method and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter
has gotten his enthusiasm back for his training and I
couldn't be more pleased.
He even tried to kiss a child the other day.
Major break through.
This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat
the kids through the fence. I can now take him in
the car with me again without him trying to chase
cars through the windshield.
So Jerry tell these people that the first rule
of dog training is Do No Harm.
The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.
Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down.
Hunter was diagnosed aggressive and he is going
to stay alive and by my side where he belongs.
Thank you so much.
Kay
=============
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.
All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to seperate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of
the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the guy
is pretty clever, you're letting him get under
your skin.
It makes for a very amusing game I think.
I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't
believe that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.
I have changed her from an aggressive dog to
one who is willing to please her owner, willing
to listen, willing to assume her role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?
> Alison
It took Valerie THREE DAYS to CURE her dog's FEAR AGGRESSION.
Oh, bye the bye, you and your punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental case pals can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGdameneD more. Ask marilyn HOWE COME <{) ; ~ ) >
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have Done
This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years Of Dealing
With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!, Jenn.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST
In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca>
"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi Lynn,
> I used to have a barking problem with my German
> Shepherd Dog a couple of years ago. I tried several
> things recommended to me by different trainers,
> and nothing was working.
> When I read that section of Jerry's Manual,
> I thought the same way you did.
> "What???? PRAISE her for barking?" It sounded
> counterproductive, but I had tried everything else
> I'd heard so I thought I'd try it too.
> Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are
> such a good protector!" And instead of continuing
> the barking, she came to me for a belly rub! She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job),
> but after one bark, she knows she's done her job
> to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
> Jenn,
Could you be so kind as to post here the section from Jerry's
manual where he writes that you should JUST praise the dog
when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates distracting the
dog from barking, with keys or the soft sound of pennies
in a can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look forward to your post.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST
In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca>
"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about me.
> I hope I can change your mind in the future, as I
> love reading your posts, and value (and have used)
> some of your advice.
BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting to get
> a plain answer about something instead of a trash-
> fest. I just want to know if it can be done.
> Jenn Standring
I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
Here's a former regular who hasn't posted since:
"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have Done
This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years Of Dealing
With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!, Jenn.
Hello Jenn,
> Hello Jerry,
Good.
I recall.
I was thinking about your difficulties with your dog.
Just getting the Hot And Cold Exercise and the Family
Leadership Exercise and the come command installed
will solve most of your difficulty with him.
I presume you've got msn messenger. We can speak
over that if you are set up for it, and I can demonstrate
the timing and tone and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.
The most important thing to remember is to pick up and
handle the lead in a relaxed manner, no white knuckles,
keep your elbow relaxed and your arm down at your side
with the length of the lead breaking just below the knee.
Let me know if you need further help. Jerry.
From: "Jeff & Di"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual
HOWEDY Diana,
> Hi Jerry,
> Thanks very much for the prompt reply.
> I'm just writing to let you know that I've
> had some wonderful progress with Molly.
Of curse!
> I took her up to the school in the car when
> I was picking up my daughter. My husband
> went to get our daughter while I stayed in
> the car with Molly. It was a quick trip so I
> wasn't expecting any car sickness, but I
> thought it would be a great opportunity to
> work on her fear of people approaching the
> car.
> When we pulled up, there were already a lot
> of people and kids milling around, and as I
> haven't explained the AWETM to my husband
> of course he was yelling at Molly to shut up
> and sit down.
That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.
> As you can imagine this didn't help.
> Once he was gone I simply told Molly she
> was good, she growled a few times at people
> and I said "thanks Molly I see them too, they're
> ok" then I asked her to find her ball which was
> in the back.
I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
to become dependent on putting something
in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
2) it may disavail you of successive training
opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.
> She loves her ball so was keen to do that and
> didn't notice what was by now a big crowd of
> parents and kids passing the car.
See, we really do want her to notice, so
we can briefly and variably distract and
praise to extinguish the behavior.
> I kept up with the "good girl" and "where's
> your ball" soon she was sitting watching
> the people walk past and offering them
> her ball to throw, not that they noticed her.
Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
use the ball again the next time, just follow
the praise techniques.
> But it was lovely to see her so relaxed.
INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.
> Just to add, I was sitting in the front and she
> was in the back of the wagon, so this was all
> verbal praise and distraction with no touching
> or patting.
Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
thinking and processing the information.
> Jerry it is so hard not to yell at the dog when
> you are frustrated and want it to behave immediately,
Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.
> but as you have said it really gets you
> nowhere in the long run.
"Reinforcement NEVER ends."
That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
and praising before the thought is fulfilled till it's
no longer thought of as a useful behavior.
> I would never of had these great results with Molly
> without your help, as we really were stuck in the
> "yelling at the dog" rut.
Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.
> I have to work on getting my husband to read
> your manual now, by the way an At Wits End
> Husband Training Manual would be helpful too,
> haha.
Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard discovered
it I'd be wearin an apron and workin insetead of settin
right here, stark ravin nekkid, wearin nuthin but these
gawd awful paper slippers.
> Thankyou so much for providing this info for free.
My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...
> I was looking at dog training books in the shops
> today and they are so expensive !! (around $30
> to $40 in Australia) Not that I need them now, but
> I like to browse the dog and pet sections from time
> to time.
Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...
> You might like think about publishing a book one day,
> I think it would be received very well by the general
> public and reach those without internet access.
I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
on the news groups ain't interested in training
their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
problems and the training tools they used to cause
them.
> I was going to copy my last letter onto the news
> groups but see that you have already done so.
Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
forgeries.
> Feel free to quote this letter too if it helps.
Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
cause it'll be more believable coming from you.
These folks think it should take weeks and months
to rehabiliatate behavior problems. They think they're
successful if they've rehabilitated an aggresson problem
after a year or longer working at it.
> It's unfortunate that the newsgroups are cluttered
> with rubbish, as It would be nice to discuss dogs
>from time to time with other dog lovers.
That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
don't post there. Every WON is interested
in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.
> cheers,
LikeWIZE.
> Dianna
Yours, Jerry.
Here's your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
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The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <TAPW;-) >
TheAmazing...@mail.com
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2006 07:08:16 -0800, "buzzsaw" <t-...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Won't work for Max.
Of curse it'll work for Max and ANY other critter for ANY other
behavior:
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> > Praise, Distractions,
You gotta know HOWE to use the SCIENTIFIC method pupperly:
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> > even a warm piece of steak.
Offering bribes and relyin on so called REINFORCEMENT
IS HOWE COME you bums CAN'T TRAIN your dogs <{) ; ~ ) >
> > Nothing works.
INDEEDY! THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
has DISCREDITED traditional behaviorISM <{) ; ~ ) >
> > He has a HIGH HIGH prey drive and is determined.
Are you sayin the SCIENTIFIC METHOD as taught by
Pavlov DON'T WORK, dog lovers?:
You Get The Critter You Trained
A Dog Is A Dog
As A Kat Is A Kat
As A Birdie Is A Birdie
As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> > I do not believe the prey drive can be extinguished.
Of curse not, not usin the bribery fear force and intimidation
you PREFER to rely on to compensate for your fragile defective
egos, weak fearful minds and inferiority complexes <{) ; ~ ) >
> Neither do I.
Yeah, but you're a IMBECILE, a LIAR and DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASE. Here's YOUR OWN PAL usin LeeCharlesKelley's METHOD
of "trainin in drive":
<SNIP>
-----------------------------------------
> t can't be controlled using praise and distractions, either.
Of curse not!
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
You mean like HOWE Professora Daniel JUST REPORTED?
Or did you mean LIKE THIS?:
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
The OBJECTIVE of scientific conditioning is to CONDITION the
critter to CON-TROLL HISSELF, not to have the CON-TROLLER
punish and FORCE CON-TROLL FOREVER like HOWE you jerk
choke bribe avoid and shock collar fanciers PREFER.
LIKE THIS:
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around
the bowls :-)
I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogstried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there
is food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we
go out and leave the dogs with access inside through
a dog door.
Paul
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
Perhaps again, Pavlov's comments serve us:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training Really Works,
They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise It's
A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With Any Situation
And The Foundation Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them they
are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once I told them
they were bad dogs and they ran away from me, now I only
ever tell them they are good dogs and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find
your dog thinking then responding everytime.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog AFTER he sit's apart from
been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't
sit then there's no positive interaction.
Paul
> Mustang Sally
From: Paul B <u...@example.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:44:43 +1200
Subject: Re: lead training
lucyaa...@claque.net wrote:
Hi Lucy,
Jerrys manual and posts aren't ABC's of dog training, I have read his
manual and corresponded with him many times. He has great ideas
about dog interaction and that is what he preaches, interacting with a
dog, communication and understanding how to work with a dog and
get a dog to work with you. His manual and post never spell out the
answers intentionally, he wants people to learn to think and work out
solutions for themselves. He gives direction and in his own nutty and
insulting way is very clever.
His methodology is to look at a situation and say "my dog isn't doing
what
I want or am asking, hmmmmm from my experience, inventiveness and
intuition how can I encourage it to follow my request?" and come up
with
a clever and unique solution. Seems like a good method to me.
So why don't people want to listen, well his arrogant and demeaning
attitude, his rants and raves etc. certainly don't inspire people to
want
to follow him, but often people just want answers, they are lazy and
don't want to work things out, they want someone to tell them how to
stop the dog "doing" whatever they don't want to really spend the time
learning and understanding they want a "good dog" and that's all and
if a choke or prong or shock collar or a sharp correction intimidates
the
dog enough to suffer in silence then that'll do. It's a pity but it's
the truth.
Paul
From: TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com
Date: 8 Sep 2005 14:30:27 -0700
Subject: The "ABC's" Of Dog Training?
HOWEDY People,
HOWEDY Disciple Paulie,
Paul B wrote:
> lucyaa...@claque.net wrote:
> Hi Lucy,
> Jerrys manual and posts aren't ABC's of dog training,
You mean they WEREN'T. HOWEver, they ARE NOW, Disciple Paulie.
> I have read his manual and corresponded with him many times.
I miss seein you on MSN.
> He has great ideas about dog interaction and that is what
> he preaches, interacting with a dog, communication and
> understanding how to work with a dog and get a dog to
> work with you.
Of curse. HOWEver, the EXXXPERTS would PREFER to bribe choke
shock crate intimidate and MURDER innocnet dumb critters.
> His manual and post never spell out the answers intentionally,
INDEEDY. Giving TIPS and SUGGESTIONS will subvert effective training.
> he wants people to learn to think and work out solutions
> for themselves. He gives direction and in his own nutty
> and insulting way is very clever.
Well thank you, Disciple Paulie.
> His methodology is to look at a situation and say "my
> dog isn't doing what I want or am asking, hmmmmm from
> my experience, inventiveness and intuition how can I
> encourage it to follow my request?" and come up with
> a clever and unique solution.
It's all in keepin with Natural Law, Disciple Paulie:
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> Seems like a good method to me.
You Get The Critter You Trained
A Dog Is A Dog
As A Kat Is A Kat
As A Birdie Is A Birdie
As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
> So why don't people want to listen,
Because they've got a MENTAL PROBLEM, Disciple Paulie.
> well his arrogant and demeaning attitude,
Naaah. ATTITUDE got NUTHING to do with PATHOLOGY,
Disciple Paulie. Certain you don't got to LIKE someWON to
value what they TEACH.
> his rants and raves etc.
We've got DOG ABUSERS tellin folks to choke
shock bribe crate and murder dogs, Disciple
Paulie, and people think THAT'S NORMAL.
"He that will not apply new remedies, must expect
new evils." Francis Bacon (1561-1626); English
philosopher, essayist, statesman.
> certainly don't inspire people to want to follow him,
DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE, otherWIZE they'd
read a couple of posts, download and STUDY their FREE COPY
of their own FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
and never even bother to write back sayin "THANK YOU, The
Amazing Puppy Wizard your METHOD SAVED MY DOG'S LIFE.
G-D BLESS YOU."
LIKE THIS:
"Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us," AIMEE.
From: JesuMaria@
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
+JMJFCA
Thanks, Jerry! All pages were received and
downloaded without any problems!
God bless you! Please know that you will be
remembered in all prayers and sacrifices, and
daily before the Most Blessed Sacrament here
in our Chapel.
With many prayers,
Sister Anthony Marie
=================
"Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would gladly
talk to them. Thank you very much for all your help.
God bless you..."
Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida
> but often people just want answers,
No, Disciple Paulie. We've got a PATHOLOGY goin on here.
> they are lazy and don't want to work things out,
No, Disciple Paulie. They're looking for a Mass Mutually
Mentally Ill Appreciation Society where MENTALLY ILL folks
can dote on, complain about, train, medically treat, and
compensate for their inferiority complexes and satisfy their
fragile defective ego's.
> they want someone to tell them how to stop the dog
> "doing" whatever they don't want to really spend the
> time learning and understanding they want a "good dog"
> and that's all and if a choke or prong or shock collar
> or a sharp correction intimidates the dog enough to
> suffer in silence then that'll do.
>
> It's a pity but it's the truth.
INDEED, that's what I used to believe, Disciple Paulie.
HOWEver, in the face of overwhelming EVIDENCE, I've
determined there's a PATHOLOGY, much like MunchHOWESEN
Syndrome By Proxy, as you've seen anorexia nervosa by
by proxy in shelly's posted case history with Harriet.
> Paul
Got a question for you Disciple Paulie. Your dog
had "spay incontinence" years ago, and presumably
she's still on the medication. If spay incontinence
is NOT spay incontinence but rather, ANXXXIHOWESNESS,
then you should be able to STOP giving her pharmacuticals
as your dog is NO LONGER under STRESS, having become
a FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Trained Dog.
Give it a shot and let us know.
Subject: Here's A Word From C...@dogtv.com
Date: 2002-01-29 11:53:56 PST
"Jerry Is On A One Man Jihad To Expose
And Discredit Dog Abusing Trainers"
Hello People,
Here's a word from C...@dogtv.com :
Hello Fans,
As the leading dog behavior and training
guru/personality of our times, and as the
ceo of the most important dogcasting
network on the planet, I think it's only fair
that I jump in here and break it down a little
like this.
I specialize not only in dogs, but in making
complicated issues easy to understand.
Which brings us to Jerry Howe.
Jerry Howe knows moore about dogs and dog
trainers and dog training methods than anyone
who participates here. As for me, I have more
skill than anyone here. As a result, I can train
dogs brilliantly, and dramatically, even offleash
on busy four lane highways in the concrete
wastelands of America...
without having to worry about following any of Jerry's
rigid guidelines for training dogs, or breaking any of
the rules in his "gestalt" approach. And, for that matter,
without having to rely on non-Jerry methods such as
shock collars or having to use force which makes my
dogs "will to resist fade in importance."
You see, fans, I got my own methods, and you'll be
finding out about those presently
HOWE-ever, this is about Jerry, so let's talk Jerry.
Most newbies here, or other people who are struggling,
clueless and frustrated and doing things to train
their dog that they know they should not do, or would
rather not do, which either aren't working, or are even
making things worse, etc...and so forth, can, via
following the techniques in Jerry's FREE manual, get
excellent results in a short period of time.
He'll tell you HOWE, and I'll tell you WHY.
Most of you have heard of Pavlov's bell, where dogs
became conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell
after they were repeatedly fed immediately after the
sound of the bell.
That's called conditioning.
And, while Jerry forcefully argues against the use of
what he calls "food bribes" (which is HOWE, many
other kinds of animals are trained, for instance,
dolphins) dogs can be trained/conditioned with or
without the use of food.
Jerry chooses to go the non food route exclusively,
and claims to get effective results, quickly, in virtually
any kind of dog or situation. Nothing in my brilliant
guru-ness leads me to believe that he is not being
truthful with most of his claims about his training
methods.
And scientific conditioning, which applies and is
effective on all dogs, and most other mammals
and higher life forms, is the basis of Jerry's training.
This is why, when Jerry says "a dog is a dog is a dog"
he is correct, in a sense.
Yes, there are breed differences, but yes, all dogs,
regardless of breed, can be conditioned using
scientific methods.
As for Jerry's behavior here, I'm not a human trainer,
and I don't try to train humans. But I do deal with people
in the same brilliant way that I deal with dogs. I don't
keep doing something which isn't working in order to
try to get people to behave, any more than I try to do the
same w/ dogs.
The moore you try to force Jerry, or put Jerry in a
Time Out or report him to his ISP, the worse his
behavior gets.
Jerry is on a one man Jihad to expose and discredit
trainers who use this same idea of escalating punitivism,
on dogs, which Jerry believes is responsible for causing
the best dogs to get killed because of the fact that they
will not submit to this linear approach of escalating
force and punishment.
His classic example of this phenomenon is a german
shepherd named "Fritz" (do a google search).
Many of Jerry's critics have a vested interest in
Jerry being crazy. Because if he isn't, it makes them
crazy for preaching that Jerry is crazy, so hard and
for so long.
But regardless, to anyone interested in training
their dog effectively without force or punishment,
Jerry's mental state is irrelevant and his advice is
generally excellent, if sometimes overbearing.
And finally, Jerry's approach is especially valuable
for interrupting, stopping or extinguishing unwanted
behaviors. I'm not so sure howe good it is when it
comes to getting creative results out of dogs, or for
teaching dogs tricks or complicated sequences (at
least as far as I can tell).
My only caveat with Jerry's method is that the idea of
extinguishing behaviors is kind of like extinguishing
biodiversity or any other resource. Each behavior is
a resource to me, not necessarily a problem to be
extinguished. You have to be careful what you
extinguish.
But, like jerry says, dogs don't do right or wrong,
they do "dog." And his method does not punish
them for doing wrong. It only tries to extinguish
certain aspects of "dog" which can be problematical
for people.
That's all for now, gotta go back to my new job at an
IT expert. It's a long and grueling one mile walk from
home.
--
this is michael
reporting live...
from the even faster loading
http://dogtv.com
ALL Temperament and Behavior Problems
And 90% Of DIS-EASE
Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
THAT'S GOOD!
THAT MEANS We can CURE ALL
Temperament And Behavior Problems
And 90% Of DIS-EASE
NEARLY INSTANTLY
Simply By DOING EXXXACTLY, PRECISELY, OPPOSITE
Of HOWE We've Been TAUGHT
By UNIVERSITY TRAINED Behaviorists
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
THAT'S GOOD!
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966).
THAT MEANS we can CURE ALL Temperament And Behavior
Problems NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOING EXXXACTLY,
PRECISELY, OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been TAUGHT TO
MISHANDLE and ABUSE HOWER dogs by the UNIVERSITY
TRAINED behaviorists and PROFESSIONAL PET CARE
SPECIALISTS who MAKE THEIR LIVING off of PERPETUATING
their SHEER IDIOCY and IGNOING the works of Drs. Sam
Corson, Dra. Mary Cover Jones, Breland & Breland, and
other notable psychologists IGNORED and OVERLOOKED by
the ABUSERS who TEACH US to lock HOWER dogs in boxes,
bribe, choke, intimidate, and IGNORE HOWER dog's,
children's and SP-HOWESES cries of FEAR and NEED and
WITHHOLD attention, affection, so called "rewards"
and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT.
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last
Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation
Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management
Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:41:01 -0500
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: "time-out"
Dan, my own firm hatred of punishment has
recently been intensified by meeting The
Puppy Wizard, Jerry Howe, whose work with
dogs is marvelous.
There is a literature on harms caused by time
out, and perhaps you'd like to look at
http://www.dogydoright.com
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
Subject: "A Completely New Model Of Learning"?
Naaah. Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily
And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is
At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >
HOWEDY People!
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggies.
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
- yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com> -
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .
Leah:
> I'm curious now. Are there any of our more
> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn, Diane,
> Janet, Belinda, et al) who have heard of this
> as a viable method?
Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
case means being indocrinated into a total
misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
operates.
As I said in my post, everything the experts say
about dogs is wrong. If the common folklore was
true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
ever. And it not only works, it works better
than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.
It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
your dogs.
"TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com wrote in message
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"Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines
Classical and operant conditioning is founded in
what is termed "learning theory".
The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" are:
Something Good can start or be presented, so
behavior increases = Positive Reinforcement (R)
Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior
decreases = Negative Punishment (P-)
Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior
decreases = Positive Punishment (P)
Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior
increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-)
Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no
learning can take place without reinforcement or
punishment either positive or negative. That is why
they employ treats and force.
"Learning theory" is a flawed concept for
evolutionarily advanced species. Advanced species
learn without any external motivation. They are not
automatons that merely respond to stimuli. Their
evolutionary survival has endowed them with self
motivated learning behavior. Canines, in particular,
are curious, they love to learn and they exhibit
pride in what they have learned. They think-they
figure things out. They can invent games to play.
They can invent behaviors to drive you crazy. They
have emotions-they can be humorous and they can
be vindictive-their feelings can be hurt. They can
suffer terribly if you don't treat them with respect.
They actively seek their environment for new things to
learn. They also learn from watching other animals and
humans and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific
literature this is termed allelomimetic behavior). It is an
insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners to
employ operant conditioning (clicker training).
Dogs are not B. F. Skinner robots whose only capacity
to learn stems from the four rules of "learning
theory". Canines deserve treatment and training that
is tailored to their nature. You can literally ruin
your dog if your treatment and training does not
respect their nature.
Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training
Method. It is the only available method, of which I
am aware, that is based upon the true nature of
canines. In his system, praise is not used as a
reinforcement or motivator, i. e., dogs are not asked
to work for praise.
--Larry
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE MANCHURIAN
CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist who was based on
Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
Prettie...@muchomail.com
dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2006 07:08:16 -0800, "buzzsaw" <t-...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Won't work for Max.Praise, Distractions, even a
> > warm piece of steak. Nothing works.
Of curse not. Not even jerking choking and shocking.
Not even diddler comin over to HURT and INTIMIDATE
his dog for him. Looks like timmy got a UNTRAINABLE
dog, eh tommy?
> > He has a HIGH HIGH prey drive and is determined.
Kinda like some of the poop eatin dogs we've seen here
abHOWETS, eh tommy <{) ; ~ ) > ?
> > I do not believe the prey drive can be extinguished.
NOT by usin ANY methods you bums know abHOWET.
> I don't know why you'd ever want to extinguish it,
On accHOWENT of timmy's dog JUMPED HOWET the car window
to chase a squirrel and constantly GOES BONKERS whenever
he sees them anytime anywhere, tommy <{) ; ~ ) .
> but "it" can definitely be controlled by good OBEDIENCE TRAINING.
You mean like the kind YOU SELL, tommy?
> You just have to know how.
DO TELL, tommy? Tell us "STEP BY STEP," tommy?
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I used
this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
> --
>
> Handsome Jack Morrison
> *gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
>
> Things are about to get very interesting...
INDEED... Been huntin lately, tommy?
HOWEDY ballzdeepx aka mr. greg,
ballz...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
Good. DON'T SKIP ANY THING in your FREE COPY of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I still dont know what to do about him being scared at night.
Do the Surrogate Toy Technique ANY time you leave him alone.
> I will not let him sleep in the bedroom as he
> wil try to wedge under the bed I fear.
Good. We don't want him HIDING.
> I will let him roam the rest of the house for now.
Just do the Surrogate Toy technique where you
want him to sleep.
> I am hoping that this fear will evaporate in time.
IT'LL EVAPORATE as you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in
your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> Mr Howe if you are reading this what reccomendations
> would you have as to where the dog should sleep while
> training has started?
Let him sleep in your HOWES, like HOWE you sez.
The "EVAPORATION" will occur as you work through
the 4 Step Heeling Pattern EXXXORCISE in Part 2.
That's a VERY DIFFICULT Technique to learn, despite
that it's SO EZ to do, it's only a matter of FOLLOWING
EVERY THING in your FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
OtherWIZE, you'll end up LIKE THIS:
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:41:47 GMT
Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: Collars
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:01:07 -0400, Janet B
<j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote:
[]
>> For the most recent example, see: Lucy
>> She can't fathom how you can train a dog with a
>> choke collar without actually choking it!
>> How is it even possible to educate someone this stupid?
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> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
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> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
> []
>
> RIGHT THERE, she goes beyond stupidity and into the
> twilight zone. Do you think it's possible for someone
> like that to understand much of anything?
In a word, no. That's why I'm going to do my very best
to ignore her from now on.
It'll be hard, of course, because I, like so many others,
am always drawn to accident scenes.
[]
> But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with
> some clients. For circumstances where a physical collar
> and leash is not the right answer. I'm sure Lucy has
> no clue what THAT means!
One can only wonder how long it would take someone of Lucy's,
shall we say "aptitude," to learn how to use an e-collar
correctly if she can't even grasp the fundamentals of using
a simple choke chain.
<boggle>
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
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From: Handsome Jack Morrison <me10...@privacy.net.invalid>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:21:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Collars
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On 27 Jun 2005 03:23:44 -0700, lucyaa...@claque.net wrote:
[]
>> It stands for what the collar *can* do (so can many
>> other types of collars), but only when it's used by
>> an incompetent, inexperienced, or sadistic trainer.
> I've never assumed that Lynn, or you, or any experienced
> trainer would choke a dog to death; but I suppose that
> something giving the dog the sensation of choking must be
> happening,
No, it's not. You're speaking from IGNORANCE here.
In fact, a good trainer works very hard to prevent any
choking action from taking place (as I explained to you,
fruitlessly apparently, in a previous post) by keeping
the leash at all times *loose.*
Put your leash on *your* dog (with any collar you want) and,
while keeping the leash *loose,* try to choke *your* dog.
Let me know how that works out for you, 'kay?
Note: It is *impossible* to administer a proper leash
correction (with a training/choke/prong collar) if the
leash is tight, because the collar can't then be "popped,"
which essentially works as a sound distraction (a "tap
on the shoulder" to signal to the dog that what he just
did was unacceptable, etc.)
E-collars, too, can be used in exactly that same way
(among several other ways).
> and it must be really convincing in order to force
> the dog to obey, rather than experience it.
There's no force involved in a collar pop, provided
it's executed correctly and *timely.*
None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
[]
>> Many women wear a type of necklace called a choker, right?
>> ttp://www.novica.com/art/handmade-jewelry/
>> necklaces/choker-necklaces...
>> How often do you see them actually choking and gasping for air?
> How often do you see anyone using those necklaces in order
> to make a woman do whatever they want her to do (other than
> giving the necklace to her as a gift)?
Because words alone apparently scare the crap out of you,
Lucy, which apparently causes your brain to lockup (like
the jaws on an eeevil pitbull :))I offered you the example
of the necklace choker, because you were wondering why one
wouldn't use a choke collar unless one intended to actually
choke a dog.
Using that same brilliant logic of yours, and applying
it to the necklace choker, it begs the same question,
doesn't it?
Why would anyone buy someone a choker necklace if the
intention wasn't to actually choke that person.
<sigh>
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
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HOWEDY tommy,
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
> Suja <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in
> news:xpPHe.440$ah4.103@lakeread05:
>
> > Janet Puistonen wrote:
> >> $7000 for a puppy? Did it walk on water, too?
> >
> > I had to bite my tongue when I heard that. I mean,
> > what kind of sensible person would pay that kind of
> > money for a dog?
You'd be VERY SURPRISED to see the kinda money Uncle
Sam and your state and local polices are PAYIN for
"SELECTIVELY BRED K-9's" like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn's SAR dog JIVE. You remember him tommy, HE RETIRED
pryor to EVER WORKIN a SAR site and has of late been
FAILING in the sheep herding ring, since sufferin JOB
BURNHOWET in SAR work... too much RESPONSIBILITY for
him, eh tommy?
> > Especially when it is just going to be a pet? That's
> > one of the things I didn't have a problem with, BTW -
> > if people are quite that gullible, they can expect to
> > be fully taken advantage of.
UNLESS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOIN, like lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn, FOR EXXXAMPLE <{); ~ ) >
> Hark!
Show a little leg, tommy.
> Never let it be said that Handsome Jack Morrison
> doesn't go the extra mile in his pursuit of Truth,
> Justice and the American Way.
But OF CURSE! You S-HOWEND just like captain arthur
haggerty, your MENTOR, and his flunky pal STUDENT
booby maida, another fighter for truth and justice
and the AMERICAN WAY just like yourself, tommy.
> I just got off the phone with Fr. Mark at the Monks,
Ain't THAT charmin, eh tommy? Did you IDENTIFY YOURSELF
or did you go by your false name of joey finnochario like
you used when you looked up The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
records at Orlando City Hall, eh tommy?
> and he said that the price for Monks pups at the current
> time is $2000 (recently raised from $1750, because they
> breed less often these days).
Meanin since the GSD has been on the DECLINE due to
heelth and temperament PROBLEMS reported RIGHT HERE
on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Forums, eh tommy?
> They've *never* sold one for more than $3500, and that
> was for a fully-trained *adult* GSD, with OTCH prospects
You mean he wasn't even started, tommy.
> (for a comparison, it's not that rare for FC retrievers
> to change hands for 6 figure amounts).
INDEEDY? But not through a PUPPY MILLER like yourself, tommy.
> They also put *each* dog that's in their breeding program
> through the standard battery of health testing, including
> hips, elbows, eyes, vWD, etc., but he wasn't sure what the
> entire protocol was.
That's EZ tommy, it's been written abHOWET RIGHT HERE
by your own punk thug coward mental case pal Master Of
Deception blankman. She sez they say they STRESS their
puppies in a variety of ways to make them better...
"I know not everyone is comfortable with the modified
Koehler style promoted by the Monks -"
And she's a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE herself,
just like you, tommy, ain't that the TRUTH?
But we wasn't talkin abHOWET her, we was talkin abHOWET you:
You sez:
> At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
> dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
> *not* constitute a "beating."
And then you sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
> He's going to have Fr. John call me back with more information.
Yeah, but you're a PROVEN LIAR and DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE
and YOU MAKE MONEY off of SELLIN THEIR BOOKS and MOVIES,
tommy, so your WORD is that of a SPAMMER and SCAMMER, to boot:
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
> [Fr. John just called me back(on my cell phone), but I
> was in my truck and apparently in a dead zone of some kind,
You been in a DEAD ZONE since DAY WON P.T.A.P.W.E. (Pryor
to The Amazing Puppy Wizard Era). BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAAA!!!
> so we couldn't hear each other very well.
NO PROBLEMO, tommy. We'll just accept you WORD for
what you'd LIKE us to BELIEVE.
LIKE THIS:
From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/17
Subject: Re: Training book by a bunch of monks
Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest, Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:22:02 GMT,
khay...@cave-systems.on.ca (Kevin Haryett) says:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
*Very* good book...but forget the stuff about "alpha rolls."
--
Dogman
From: bob...@aol.com (Bob Maida)
Date: 2000/06/24
Subject: Re: Best behavior book?
HI,
2 books, I would recommed are Understanding Your
Dog by Dr Michael Fox Mother Knows Best by Carol
Benjamin The Art of Raising A Puppy by The Monks of
New Skete (and NO, the Monks book does not have the
"alpha roll" in it)
------------------
Seems WON of you BELIEVERS in TRUTH JUSTICE and
The AMERICAN WAY is a doGgamened LIAR, eh tommy?
We know who THAT is, tommy... it's YOUR PAL gumbah
booby maida, captain arthur haggerty's PROTEGE.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAAHHAHAAAA!!!
NOT FOR NUTHIN, other than to substantiate
that you mentally ill lying dog abusing punk
thug coward mental cases will do and say ANY
THING to defend your alleged RIGHT to HURT
INTIMDIATE and MURDER innocent critters.
> We arranged for me to call him back tomorrow,
> this time on a land line, to discuss it further.
What's to DISCUSS, tommy? You're a liar and dog
abuser like your mentally ill pat booby, and the
monks are a bunch of heavy handed ignorant puppy
milling LHOWETS, like yourself, tommy.
> He said he was very happy to talk about it,
That so? Let's talk abHOWET YOUR DOGS, tommy?
Let's talk abHOWET your CHUMPION FIELD DOGS,
eh tommy? AIN'T YOU PRHOWED of your kennels?
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
> because they were very proud of the testing they do,
That so? And they're VERY PRHOWED of THIS:
From: "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
Date: 2000/09/19
Subject: The Monks Of New Skete
Recommend These Disciplinary Measures:
The Monks look charming on the outside, but
they have heavy handed techniques.
I've seen advice as to how to hit your dog coming
from them, and lots of other non productive, even
dangerous advice.
While I realize that your definition of abuse differs
greatly from mine, I have spent most of the last thirty-
six years retraining dogs brought up and trained by
abusive techniques.
In The Art of Raising a Puppy , copyright 1991, the
Monks of New Skete recommend these disciplinary measures:
1. Scruff shake. (recommended for puppies, 8-12 weeks)
Grab scruff of neck, shake firmly, bark "NO!"
2. Shakedown. Grab sides of throat with both hands,
lifting dog's front feet off floor, stare, shake
several times, and bark "NO!"
3. "Using a firm cuff underneath the chin with your
opened hand...To make this correction effectively,
your dog must be anchored in a sitting position with
your left hand holding onto his collar.
As you make eye contact with your dog, cuff the
underside of his mouth with your opened right
hand, rapping him sharply several times, as you
say NO!" (recommended for 5-6 month old puppies)
4. Stick finger down throat to stop mouthing or
squeeze and shake muzzle hard enough to elicit
a whine, and bark "NO!"
5. To stop jumping, grab front paws of jumping
pup, and force him to remain in that position
long enough to become uncomfortable.
6. Leash Pop with choke collar (Also pupularized
as the Margolis Jerk)
Those actions and attitudes are behaviors your
dog will learn to copy, and apply to you.
Let me start by calling attention to the recent
notoriety of shaken baby syndrome. Although dogs
have a loose scruff, the brain damage can result
just the same, and disk damage may occur.
The ubiquitous leash pop is my number one gripe.
It is recommended and used by almost everyone.
The sharp corrections on leash continue throughout
the life of the dog.
It is recommended they be increased in severity
and frequency as the dog becomes more resistant
and the trainer thinks the dog knows what is
expected of him but the dog refuses to do it.
(Dogs don't do things out of spite!) Nerve damage
can result from leash corrections. Makes me nauseous
to hear people say that dogs don't feel pain the
same way we do.
As a society we don't condone treating our children
or employees that way. What makes abuse O.K. for
animals? Force, abuse, and punishment do not have
any place in a learning environment!
Most of the mistakes our dogs make are not even
understood by the dog to be mistakes. The punishment
is not understood, and behavior problems result
from the abuse.
BUT YOU SEZ:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens"
HOWE abHOWET all them DEAD DOGS you TRAINED RIGHT
HERE that your TERRORIZM DIDN'T SAVE, tommy?
Like Robert Crim's, kwbrown's, laura arlov's,
tara o.' DEAD DOGS, FOR EXXXAMPLE, tommy?
> and the dogs they produce.
You mean, LIKE THIS?:
From: Tara <taragre...@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:58:51 GMT
Subject: Re: good dog training books?
I've personally seen their methods (as applied by
them) NOT work on dogs they themselves have bred.
IMO, their methods actually made the underlying problems
*worse*. In three cases, where they both bred and trained
the dogs, they subsequently washed their hands of the dogs
and suggested euthanasia....and then promptly tried to
talk the owners into taking another one of their own pups.
<snip>
Since I have serious issues and doubts about the
practices and ethics of the Monks, I obviously
only support the latter two ;-)
Tara
Of curse SHE'S likeWIZE, a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE, eh tommy?
> He named his vet, a Dr. Wolski, and welcomed me
> to call him, too. I can get the number tomorrow,
> when I call again. Yes, I intend to report back
> tomorrow,
Well that's kindly of you, tommy... considerin
YOUR BUSINESS DEPENDS on SELLIN THEIR BOOKS.
> after we've talked and I've gathered
> additional information FIRST-HAND.
Yeah, but comin from you tommy, it's WORTHLESS, at best.
Your WORD AIN'T NO GOOD here abHOWETS, tommy.
> He also welcomed me to drop by for a visit.
THEY SELL PUPPIES, tommy, and he's 2,000 miles away.
> The Monks are always happy to have people visit,
> and no appointment is required. Yep, sounds just
> like a puppy mill to me...sheesh.]
INDEEDY! They got a VERY WELL STAFFED PUPPY MILL.
> I also recommended to him that they might want
> to put something on their website about the testing.
You AIN'T blaming BAD TEMPERAMENTS on GENES again,
are you tommY? Do they got a GENTIC TEST for FEAR
AGGRESSION, tommy?
> They have their own way of testing temperaments,
THEY HURT INTIMIDATE AND MURDER DOGS, like HOWE you do, tommy.
> of which they write about in their books.
THEY'RE DOG ABUSERS AND THEY ADMIT IT:
> A quote from the Monks:
> "We repeat, these situations may merit physical discipline.
> Since no book can pretend to analyze every individual dog
> and situation, we feel obligated to emphasize from the
> outset that discipline is never an arbitrary training
> technique to be applied to each and every dog for all
> offenses. We do, however, believe that physical and verbal
> discipline can be an effective technique. The best policy if
> you experience any of the above problems is to consult a
> qualified trainer or veterinarian for evaluation of your
> individual situation....
> "If discipline is decided upon as a training technique, it
> should be the proper technique. We feel we have developed
> several methods that depend less on violent physical force
> than timing, a flair for drama, and the element of surprise.
> We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to map out
> these methods, rather than simply skip the topic because it
> is unpleasant. Dog owners want to know what to do."
> >> Well, it certainly sounds as if their breeding program
> >> went into a steep decline after an auspicious beginning-
> >> -perhaps as a result of misguidedly trying to keep up
> >> with the demand.
PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME the GSD 'WENT INTO DECLINE,' eh tommy?
> > Perhaps. There was a time when they produced nice dogs.
Sez WHO?
> > They had a good guide for their breeding program at that time.
A GUIDE???
> > The one person who got a dog from them early on said
> > that the dog was about as fabulous as they get, and
> > hooked her on GSDs for life. Which is why she bought
> > from them again.
>
> And I think that if you poke around a bit, that's
> more like what you'll hear from the vast majority
> of current Monks owners, too.
You mean, all but those who GOT BURNED by their PUPPY
MILL STOCK and their ABUSIVE METHODS, tommy?
> The Monks pace their breedings to the numbers of
> monks they have on hand and available for assignment
> to the pups.
INDEED?
> When they have more monks in residence, they are
> able to produce more pups, and vice versa. They
> have fewer monks these days, so they're producing
> fewer pups.
So as their monkey shines are on the decline, likeWIZE
their PUPPY MILL BUSINESS, tommy? BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHHAA!!!
> Demand for their pups has never been greater.
Accordin to WHOM, tommy?
> But they no longer allow names to be placed on a waiting list.
> They just can't deal with the demand, so they don't even try.
That's ABSURD, tommy.
> When they do plan a breeding, they are now going to
> announce it on their web site, and then take reservations
> for pups (which may or may not be honored, depending on
> the litter size.) First come, first served. Then they'll
> start the process all over again for the next planned breeding.
>
> At least that's the current plan.
So, after all these years they're STILL FIGGRERIN IT HOWET, tommy?
> >> It sounds as if they must have incorporated at
> >> least one sire into their program that turned
> >> out to have less than desirable genes.
> >
> > I've heard of a female who was put down because
> > she stopped producing.
In keepin with TRUE puppy mill fashion, eh tommy?
> > Apparently, she should've never been bred at all,
> > because she was overly aggressive. This is third
> > hand information though, and I have no way of
> > verifying it.
Well, tommy can just ask friar tuck when he speaks
to him tommorow to verify that they're not dog abusing
puppy millers like hisself. BWEEEEAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
> Then why even pass it on?
On accHOWENT of you're dealin with DOG
ABUSING MENTAL CASES, tommy. IT DON'T
MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS, you're DEALIN
WITH DOG ABUSING LYIN MENTAL CASES here.
From: "dogtraining" <b...@basta.net>
Date: 1999/03/29
Subject: Re: Monks (was Lab. Puppy questions)
The Monks live in New Skette (spelling not sure) which
is upstate New York... the system they use is by having
the dog all day with them while they eat, work, and talk
to god... they are monks of the greek ortodox church (I
believe...) the system is excelent providing you do not
condem "harsh" methods...!
I hope the information is useful to you....
Regards
> Hopefully it didn't come from the same person
> who claimed to have paid $7000 for her PUPPY(!)?
Well, some folks will say ANY THING to make themselves
S-HOWEN MOORE IMPORTANT than they really are, eh tommy?
> Maybe you were taught in school to rely on third-hand
> information, and not just second-hand information(!),
> right? So why not go for broke,
And take tommy's word for it.
> and now try relying on fourth or even fifth-hand
> information, the next time you decide to slander
> a breeder's reputation?
Like yours, tommy? You're a ETHICKAL BREEDER yet
you REFUSE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF and IN FACT DENY
who you are KNOWN TO BE. You DO REMEMBER HOWER
CONVERSATION on YOUR PHONE at tommy sorenson's
PUPPY MILL, tommy? DON'T YOU? You didn't wanna
TALK BUSINESS with The Amazing Puppy Wizard on
accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusing punk thug
coward mental case puppy miller.
> Maybe you can find someone who talked to someone
> who talked to someone who said that she got it
> from her cousin, twice removed, who got it from
> her landlady's maid, who got it from her sister's
> chauffeur, who overheard it being whispered into
> a cell phone by a swarthy looking gentleman standing
> on the corner of Fifth and Broadway, and wearing a
> backpack?
INDEED THAT would be MOORE RELIABLE than RELYING on
the WORD of the BOOK SALESMAN for the DOG ABUSERS
and PUPPY MILLERS.
> You are either a very naive person, or you're not
> nearly as smart as I once thought you were.
Sez it all, eh tommy?
> >> Perhaps that's why they seem to have pulled back
> >> severely. (I wonder how many litters they were
> >> producing per year, and how many they produce now?)
>
> > All good questions. More than they should've is my guess.
>
> Keep in mind that the monks, compared with most breeders,
Like yourself, tommy? TELL US abHOWET YOUR OWN KENNELS, tommy?
> have a *lot* of help.
AS EXXXAMPLED by your pal lying frosty dahl when
she DISCOVERED CANNIBALISM in Labradorable dogs
when she left a NEW MOM with her litter so she
could SELL PUPPIES, REMEMBER tommy?
> That is, each and every monk has puppy
> raising/training responsibilities.
THEY HURT and INTIMDIATE dogs, tommy.
> They also have the help of a nearby convent,
> staffed with nuns, if they need more help.
So that LEGITIMIZES their PUPPY MILL and ABUSE?
PERHAPS the good Sisters are trying to SAVE THEM, tommy,
JUST LIKE HOWE you SAVE DOGS from the needle, eh tommy?
> They don't compete with their dogs because they have
> prayer and chapel responsibilities to tend to on week-ends,
That so? Are they SeventhDayEpiscopalJews, tommy?
They got HIGHER BUSINESS dealin on Saturday AND Sunday?
> when most competitions are being held.
You mean as a PROFESSIONAL SHOW DOG BREEDER and TRAINER
you don't know they got THURSDAY FRIDAY and MONDAY SHOWES?
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
There's NEVER been such a LAME EXXXCUSE as THAT WON, tommy.
> They do however strongly encourage their buyers to
> compete and test, etc., and they rely on their results
> and periodic reports back to them for additional breeding
> information.
Oh GOODY! You can LOOK UP THEIR SHOWE DOG HISTORY in AKC, tommy.
HOWE many monks dogs do you SEE makin CHUMPIONSHIPS?
> >> I think both you and Jack have a point. Bad breeders
> >> they may have become, commercial breeders yes, but
> >> perhaps the term "puppy mill" is misplaced?
PERHAPS it's just the TERMINOLOGY, eh tommy? PUPPY MILLER
kinda makes your skin itch, don't it, tommy. Let's talk
abHOWET tommy soronen's kennels, MO, USA, tommy? You're
RIGHT IN THE HEART of PUPPY MILL COUNTRY, ain't you, tommy.
> >> I don't know exactly where to draw that line. "Ethical"
> >> breeders in the accepted sense they definitely are not
> >> if they don't do standard health testing at least.
> []
Ask brother john or friar tuck if they ACCPET their
REJECTED PUPPIES back from their BUYERS with a FULL
REFUND, like ANY ETHICKAL BREEDER DOES, eh tommy?
> > Maybe the Monks were just unethical breeders.
Naaah, they're a bunch of IGNORAMUSES, like tommy
and the rest of these lying dog abusing punk thug
coward MENTAL CASES who post their IDIOCY here abHOWETS.
> What *proof* do you have that the Monks have ever
> done anything in an unethical way?
Only REPORTED CASE HISTORIES we got RIGHT HERE,
and the INFORMATION in their very own books, tommy.
> Even once?
We've been through that a few times already, tommy.
You MENTAL CASES got a HABIT of askin the SAME IDIOTIC
QUESTIONS despite having GOT the IDIOTIC TRUTH answered,
when YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH, tommy.
> Sheesh.
Yeah.. you DENY the TRUTH and EXXXPET folks to
BELIEVE an anonymHOWES VULGAR DOG ABUSING COWARD
like yourself, an ANONYMHOWES COWARD and LIAR,
tommy, like yourself. A LYING DOG ABUSING ANONYMHOWES
PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASE, like yourself, tommy.
> > Maybe they were "good" puppy millers.
Of curse, tommy. They mighta made a little MISTAKE.
> What kind of puppy mill has a monk assigned to *each*
> puppy at birth, and who then gets to live inside with
> the monk, who then cares for him, socializes him, trains
> him, feeds him, etc., until he's old enough to eventually
> be sold to his permanent owners?
BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! THEY'RE DOG ABUSERS LIKE YOURSELF.
From: x...@yyy.berkeley.edu
Date: 1995/05/13
Subject: Re: GSD pups from the Monks of New Skete; how much?
I have met a couple of GSDs from their breeding and have
found them to be on the shy to timid side. However, I
have no idea what their owners were like and how much
socialization they provided, etc. Just don't expect
miracles because someone is an author.
> Take as long as you need to find one.
THEY'RE A FULLY STAFFED PUPPY MILL, tommy. BIG DEAL.
THEY HURT and INTIMDIATE dogs, tommy.
> > Either way, I am not about to line their pockets.
> > And I can't help but object to others who knowingly
> > or unknowingly do the same.
>
> Yeah, I know. You can't help yourself from
> slandering people, a la Jerry Howe.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard aka Jerry HOWE don't know
or CARE abHOWET the monkies BREEDING practices, HE
only cares abHOWET their ABUSE of innocent dumb
critters in their BOOKS that YOU SELL, REMEMBER tommy?
> What a piece of work you turned out to be.
Let's not throw the baby HOWET with the bathwater, eh tommy?
> Sheesh.
Let's talk abHOWET beatin dogs to HOWEsbreak them, tommy?
> By the way, you might want to call this number:
>
> 518-677-3828
>
> Ask for Fr. John.
>
> He also invites you (or anyone else) to visit
> the Monks facilities, too.
THEY SELL PUPPIES, tommy. THEY NEED folks to SEE THEIR PUPPIES.
> Yep, they really sound like a puppy mill.
INDEEDY, tommy. A FULLY STAFFED PUPPY MILL.
But THAT AIN'T THE PROBLEM, tommy:
From: "Kieron Dodds" <nospam.kdo...@nospam.email.msn.com>
Date: 1998/03/15
Subject: Re: Monks of New Skete
Just as a bit of a counterpoint, my trainer has a Great
Pyrenees looking for a home right now that was *ruined*
by these books. Not all methods are valid for all dogs
or all owners or all dog/owner combinations.
While these books may work for you and others and dogs
you have worked, I've found the practices within to be
significantly less reliable than other methods, even
when properly applied, especially the "shake", even if
the methods do work for many owners and dogs.
Personally, I've seen far too many disastrous results
to recommend these books to anyone (sight unseen).
IOW, one can't really recommend a book or method without
first evaluating the owner/dog combo and anyone reading
such recommendations should remember this and remember
to try other methods when the ones they are using fail.
> <boggle>
You want BOGGLE, tommy?:
From: "Avrama Gingold" <avr...@mindspring.com>
Date: 1999/11/25
Subject: Re: Recommendations on Puppy training Books
Personally, I do not care for the Monks book.
(Even Job Michael Evans, one of its two co-authors,
later rethought the "alpha roll" advice.)
My main objection is that it assumes the dog will
be raised in the same kind of milieu as the New
Skete monastery, which is very far from accurate.
But we KNOW professora "CHIN CHUCK ABSOLUTELY
DOESN'T MEAN HIT THE DOG" gingold is likeWIZE
a LIAR and DOG ABUSER, ain't that correct, tommy.
Let's talk abHOWET your kennels, tommy. You MUST
be VERY PRHOWED of your dogs. Too bad you're SO
HUMBLE you WON'T BRAG on your own KENNEL NAME, tommy.
AIN'T IT.
> The horror. The horror.
No, the HORROR is, you're a liar and dog abusing
coward and you're AFRAID to ADMIT WHO YOU ARE.
But THAT'S IN The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
from that nite you and tommy and joey got STIFF
and FORGOT to CHANGE YOUR SCREEN NAME and email
address and sent TOMMY SORONSEN'S email into US
RIGHT HERE... then you DENIED it again... despite
The Amazing Puppy Wizard TALKIN TO YOU on the phone
after HE got your number from HERE, tommy.
LIKE THIS:
From: osi...@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls at
me sometimes. When he growls at me he stares
me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should
not be allowed to do that. They suggest shaking
down the dog by grabing the dog on the sides of
his neck and picking him off his front feet, then
giving the dog the same sort of treatment the dog
would give another if it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting the
dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was
not convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this
dog that might help him to decide that he
wants to follow and that he has nothing to
fear from me?
Special aside from michael to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard:
---------------- CAVEAT -------------------------
Now HOWE, you have had your say. Just shut up and
let these other people have a chance to say something
themselves. Your name calling and insults are not necessary.
I have all the information from you I need. I also have
my OWN mind and I need to make up MY OWN MIND.
I'm sorry but I am not one of your dogs, get it?
-------------------END CAVEAT
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> --
> Handsome Jack Morrison
> *gently remove the detonator to reply by e-mail
>
Here's a few UNBIASED reviews of the BOOKS YOU SELL, tommy:
From: black...@dog-play.com
Date: 1997/12/21
Subject: Monks of New Skete - video review
Tape 1:
Although it was interesting I think it won't be
"useful" to the average person who resorts to video
tape. It did not appear to have a teaching goal
beyond a general explanation of philosophy. The
presentation was so rambling that it left a general
impression, but nothing concrete in my mind.
If you are general new to dogs or dog training I don't
think this tape will offer a flash of enlightenment.
Tape 2:
I just don't think that the average newbie is going to
look at it as say "Its important to me to find out how my
breeder raised the puppy before I got it."
As a primary source of information on puppy socialization
the tape fails except for those people who are skilled at
extracting information from the documentary format. For
many people information needs to be presented in a more
bulleted format to communicate and educate successfully.
The downside is that the person viewing the tape may
have a dog with a very different basic temperament
than the GSDs favored by the Monks.
Properly applying the techniques used to different
temperaments may take a level of sensitivity that
many novice owners lack. For that reason I think that
another video - Ian Dunbar's "Sirius Puppy Training"
was more successful in achieving a good introduction
to starting the puppy off right.
The primary caution I would give is the same as before -
the dogs used are primarily stout of temperament - some
are over rambunctious and friendly-dominent - but the
full scope of temperaments was not addressed.
All the dogs were large breeds. The methodology can be
useful to all breeds - large and small - but some adjustment
needs to be made for both size and temperament.
I don't think enough attention was given to that aspect.
So if you have a dog over say 40 pounds, and the dog is
neither fearful nor growling/biting, then this tape can
provide some useful advice and demonstration.
The timing and reactions of the Monks is a skill
that has been learned to the point that it becomes
automatic.
Although they explain what they are doing and why
in my experience it is really hard for the novice
to just see how what they are doing is different.
I know not everyone is comfortable with
the modified Koehler style promoted by
the Monks -
From: qbt...@v1.arg (Dogman)
Date: 1997/08/21
Subject: Re: Monks of New Skeet & "praise"
On a cold day in Hell, Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:38:38 GMT,
sekh...@removeme.4thcoast.com (Rebecca Allbritton) wrote:
>
> In "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend," the Monks have a
> section on praise. They advise something that I'm not sure
> I agree with them about, but I may not be thinking of it
> in the same way they are.
> What they say is that you should only "praise" when the
> dog has done something to be praised for (sit, heel, go
> to the bathroom on command, fetch, etc.)
> I can sort of understand that: I guess you want praise to
> be like a treat, & don't want it to be devalued if they can
> get it for not doing anything.
> Unfortunately, I spend a lot of time just petting my dog,
> telling her how wonderful she is, how good she is & what
> a sweetie she is, while we hang out together.
> I *like* talking to my dog while petting her, or even moving
> about the house doing other stuff. She wags her tail vigorously
> every time she sees me, but gets even happier when she hears my
> voice.
> I guess I have 2 main questions here. First, if you accept the
> idea that you shouldn't praise your dog when it hasn't "worked"
> for it, what exactly *is* praise? My dog doesn't seem able to
> distinguish between "Good Girl!" and "What a Sweetie!" when
> they're said in the same tone of voice (she wags & pants equally
> to both phrases.) Is the praise in the tone of voice, or in the
> key words? How should I talk to my dog when not "praising"?
>Or should I even worry about it?
[...]
Rebecca, I wouldn't worry about this at all, eh?
If your dog is responding well to your training (i.e.,
is performing satisfactorily), keep doing whatever it
is you're doing.
The premise behind witholding praise except for training
is simply as you have already suspected, to increase it's
EFFECT. But if your training is going well, don't let
that stop you from petting your dog, etc., when you're not
training, etc.
The same goes for food rewards (e.g., treats). To make
food more EFFECTIVE, withhold it from the dog when you're
not training and don't train your dog when he has a full
stomach. Wait until he's HUNGRY.
On the other hand, if your dog's mind starts to wander
during training and isn't responding as well as it used
to, cut out all priase except for during training and
for positive responses.
Ciao!
--
Dogman
From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman) - Find messages by this author
Date: 1999/05/12
Subject: Re: Should I correct my dog's growling?
While I was listening to the Miles Davis CD, "Kind Of Blue," and
drinking a little Booker's, on Wed, 12 May 1999 17:05:19 GMT, canis55
<cani...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> It seems he's growling at you when "your back is turned."
> This may be the result of negative or aversion type training.
> The monks of new skeet (keepers of the alpha wolf flame),
> describe this same behavior in the latter part of they're
> popular book, How To Be Your Best Friend. They say something
> to the effect that the other wolves in the pack will always
> challenge the so called alpha male whenever he is vulnerable
> or becomes weak. Some way to live, huh?
This is just the kind of stupid, cheap shot bull
ca ca I'm always talking about.
This schmuck does absolutely *nothing* to actually help
the poster at all, he just takes shots at the Monks, pack
hierarchy theory, alpha theory, etc. (what? you don't have
any problem with the Theory of Gravity, too?), and automatically
blames this dog's "growling" on negative or aversion type training!
Yet another Kenny Freakin' King wannabe!
Hell, he'd blame cancer on the Monks if he could.
--------------------
GRAVITY IS A LAW, tommy... AIN'T IT.
BREAK IT AND YOU FALL ON YOUR ARSE EVERY TIME.
GUARANTEED.
LIKE THIS:
Here's you beatin a dog to HOWEsbreak it:
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
<handsomemorri...@thedetonatorearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:spb3ivgh7prvq9omh...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
> <kris_br...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Good books huh?
> Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.
> >Which idea was your favorite, the one where they tell you
> >to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,
> There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog (i.e.,
> it *can* and *does* work in *some* situations).
> Unfortunately, most people either do it incorrectly, do it
> at the wrong time, etc.
> >or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard enough
> >if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within 5 minutes of
> >his punishment?
> If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after careful
> evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get it over with
> quickly than it is to do it incrementally and
> half-heartedly, which usually only invites the need for even
> more discipline.
> >Maybe you liked when they recommend these beatings for
> >housebreaking accidents, chewing/destructive behavior,
> >stealing, trying to get on your bed
> >at night and dog on dog aggression.
> At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a dog. A
> swat on the rump or a check to the chin does *not*
> constitute a "beating."
> I'm sorry if you don't agree.
> And each of those behavior "problems" needs to be looked at
> in its proper context.
> A quote from the Monks:
> "We repeat, these situations may merit physical discipline.
> Since no book can pretend to analyze every individual dog
> and situation, we feel obligated to emphasize from the
> outset that discipline is never an arbitrary training
> technique to be applied to each and every dog for all
> offenses. We do, however, believe that physical and verbal
> discipline can be an effective technique. The best policy if
> you experience any of the above problems is to consult a
> qualified trainer or veterinarian for evaluation of your
> individual situation....
> "If discipline is decided upon as a training technique, it
> should be the proper technique. We feel we have developed
> several methods that depend less on violent physical force
> than timing, a flair for drama, and the element of surprise.
> We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to map out
> these methods, rather than simply skip the topic because it
> is unpleasant. Dog owners want to know what to do."
> In other words, physical discipline is reserved for those
> serious, special occasions when other methods have failed.
> For example, they do not recommend using physical discipline
> for *routine* housebreaking chores -- only on those rare
> occasions when an already reliably housebroken dog is (after
> careful evaluation) deemed to be soiling the house on
> purpose, backsliding, etc.
> I'll give you an actual example. Years ago, an adult dog
> was brought to me as an *incurable* house-soiler. It was
> either get the dog reliably housetrained or the dog was
> going on a one way trip to the pound. Being the kind,
> compassionate trainer that I am, I was prepared to do
> whatever it took to get this dog house-trained and save his
> life.
> After several weeks of more or less traditional training,
> and to poor result, I brought out the big guns -- physical
> and verbal discipline. Whenever the dog soiled the house
> (no, you don't even have to catch him in the act), I
> immediately (but very calmly) tossed a leash on his collar,
> dragged him to the scene of the crime, and (using a large
> chair as a prop) tethered him to the leg of the chair, with
> his nose about two inches away from the poop. After a
> couple of swats on the rump, some loud vocalizing, and a
> wait of about 20 minutes, I'd release the dog and then
> ignore him for a while. I had to repeat this process *three*
> times, I think -- and the house-soiling miraculously
> stopped. The dog went home to enjoy a long and contented
> life with his original owners, and I got to feel good about
> myself.
> So, yes, the Monk's books are good ones. Even for novices.
> Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
> -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the detonator to
> reply via e-mail
"Handsome Jack Morrison"
<handsomemorri...@thedetonatorearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a236iv0ngp58gv9jm...@4ax.com...
> On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT, dogstar...@aol.com (DogStar716)
> wrote:
> >>>Never mind dogman :)
> >>You too? Some folks just never learn.
> >Uh huh :)
> One of the signs of mental illness is to say "Uh huh" a lot.
> >>PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't on this
> >>list, he (or she) is NOT an approved Koehler trainer, no
> >>matter how loud you scream otherwise.
> >May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be on a list
> >to use Koehlers
> >methods or teach his methods.
> Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you that not
> every trainer who uses a leash is a *Koehler* trainer.
> Sheesh.
> This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but if she's
> hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about as far from a
> Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can possibly be.
> Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.
> I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
> adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.
> >>http://www.koehlerdogtraining. com/patoflearn.html
> >Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware that whoever
> >wrote it knows nothing about PR based training:
> >"Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend in
> >Positive Reinforcement
> >Only training systems"
> >You cannot use PR only.
> Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and many
> other places as well) *claim* that they use nothing but R.
> You know, the PPers.
> And they do it quite loudly, too.
> Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as ignorant?
> Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.
> >And if you knew anything about PR BASED training, you would
> >realize that. It's not all cookies and babytalk.
> There is no stronger supporter of R than Handsome Jack
> Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool in my bag,
> including R-, P, and P-, because I know that even R has its
> limits.
> You'd know that too, if you didn't have your head in the
> sand.
> > But that seems to be the battle cry of the Koehler-ites.
> The Koehlerites have no battle cry.
> They have behaviorism on their side, and that's more than
> enough.
> >I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs a proper
> >leash correction as I
> >do not rely on a leash to control or teach my dog.
> That may or may not be suitable for your needs, but it's not
> suitable for the majority of dog owners, especially since
> the advent of leash laws.
> Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler training,
> Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in need of a leash.
> That you apparently don't know that, once again shows me
> just how ignorant of anything to do with Koehler you are.
> >My last two dogs have been trained offleash right from the
> >start, using rewards for what I like, and nothing for what
> >I don't like.
> Good for you, and if that level of training is good enough
> for you, fine. But it's not good enough for many of the
> rest of us.
> >Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.
> I really have no idea what you're saying anymore, because
> you apparently know so damn little about Koehler and
> behavioral principles in general that it's hard to have an
> informed discussion with you.
> PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to keep
> denying that those certain harsh methods are only for LAST
> RESORT situations, intended only to SAVE A DOG'S LIFE, even
> after I've repeatedly given you direct *quotes* from
> Koehler's book saying just that. It's like you don't even
> care how stupid people think you are, or how devious you
> are, etc. That can't help your cause any. You'd think that
> you'd at least want to *appear* to be honest, even if you're
> not. -
>
> - Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the detonator
> to reply via e-mail
Here, permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to
give you a hand with that little pin, tommy...
There. That's FIXED. ENJOY!
NHOWE START WALKIN THE WALK.
Ken
In the 2.5 years we've had her, she hasn't caught one yet, but that
doesn't stop her..and we don't mind seeing her doing donuts around tree
trunks, doing her best at climbing until she's tired of the chase.
What's the harm? (I'm sure some squirrel lover will now say: "Oh!
Those poor little dears"
We even leave peanuts for them as a reward for "playing" with Sasha
K
BlackVomit
Hello Ken,
Just wanted to warn you in advance of this pervert,
ThePupp...@animail.net
buzzsaw wrote:
> Won't work for Max.
Are you callin Pavlov a LIAR, timmy?
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
tself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov.
What "WON'T WORK for Max" is WHAT YOU BEEN DOIN,
AIN'T IT, timmy <{) ; ~ ) > Even your pal jeff dege SEZ he
can't train his own dog despite his shock collar, not to chase
innocent defenseless dumb critters. REMEMBER?.
> Praise, Distractions, even a warm piece of steak.
OF CURSE NOT, timmy:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior."
> Nothing works.
OF CURSE NOT, timmy:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
You CANNOT REWARD behaviors AFTER THE FACT and
EXXXPECT it to work. EVERY THING you've been "taught"
by these lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental cases is HOWE COME
you CAN'T TRAIN your dog, timmy <{) ; ~ ) >
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I used
this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
> He has a HIGH HIGH prey drive and is determined.
EXXXCELLENT! JUST LIKE Professora Daniel's dog
Sunshine! ALL the MOST ADVANCED WORKING DOG
TRAINERS want HIGHLY DRIVEN driven dogs. THOSE ARE
the EZiest dogs to TRAIN, timmy, on accHOWENT of their
HIGH DRIVE, NOT despite it, timmy.
It took Professora Daniel a couple days USING her own FREE
COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual to CURE ALL of Sunshine's
AGGRESSION and OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDERS
like light / shadow chasing problems AFTER Professora Daniel
had taken him to MANY trainers and a couple university behavior
clinics AT A COST of $5,000.00 AND SEVENTY HOWERS OF
TRAININ IN CLASSES, WITH NO SUCCESS.
YOUR PROBLEM is you're usin BRIBERY REWARDS FEAR
FORCE INTIMDIATION and WITHHOLDING bribes rewards
attention and affection to FORCE CON-TROLL of behaviors
of the cunning domestic puppy dog you and your punk thug
coward active acute chronic long term incurable mental cases
pals AIN'T GOT the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit AS YOU'VE
SEEN IN PERSON with the assistance of your BRUTAL lying
dog abusing punk thug coward pal diddler and her "associate"
who NEEDS TO GET HOWET of her HOWES.
REMEMBER timmy?
Did you ENJOY HURTIN your dog, timmy?
> I do not believe the prey drive can be extinguished.
IT CAN'T, not using the methods the EXXXPERTS rely on.
THAT'S HOWE COME THEY MURDER DOGS, timmy.
Here's a Pit Bull:
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
Subject: Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2004-07-17 13:50:07 PST
his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of
HOWEDY MrE,
MrE wrote:
> NEW NEW are you having a laugh,
That so? WHO'S LAUGHIN NHOWE?
> we been studying this in Animal Psychology for years!
CITES PLEASE?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED
your university trained behaviorists and CITES
THEM BY NAME and CASE HISTORIES <{) ; ~ ) >
If "we been studying this in Animal Psychology for years!"
you shouldn't have NO PROBLEM CITING YOUR SOURCES.
DO SO and The Amazing Puppy Wizard will DISSAPPEAR
JUST LIKE Mr. Mxyzptlk when Superman TRICKS into sayin
his name backwards <{) ; ~ ) >
NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums UNLESS you wanna TALK
BUSINESS with The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
TRY THIS:
> <ThePupp...@AniMail.Net> wrote in message
> news:1132878460.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
> >>From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
> > a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
> > simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the
> > result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
INDEEDY. ALL temperament and behavior problems
are CAUSED BY MSHANDLING, that's HOWE COME
they can be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
by simply PRAISING "BAD BEHAVIORS".
Most behavior problems are only "negative attention"
getting technuques. THAT'S HOWE COME we can
EXXXTINGUISH MOST "BAD BEHAVIORS" by simply
PRAISING IN ADVANCE <{) ; ~ ) >
> > This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
A mammal brain is a mammal brain. SEZ SO in your
own FREE COPY of The Amaxzing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> > You don't believe in the validity of this
> > particular model of learning?
Of curse not. But just the FACT that they DON'T UNDERSTAND
iti is SECONDARY to the FACT that HOWER DOG LOVERS DO
NOT WANT to "NOT PUNISH" "BAD BEHAVIORS". It makes them
FEEL impotent and inferior to their subjects. Punishing "BAD
BEHAVIORS" makes them FEEL P-HOWERFUL and IN CON-TROLL
and asuages their fragil defective, weak fearful minds and compensates
for their inferiority complexes. It's part of their sociopathology:
"Neurotics complain of their illness, but they make the most of it, and
when it comes to talking it away from them they will defend it like a
lioness her young," Sigmund Freud
> > You don't think it makes sense?
Naaaah. These simpletons AIN'T GOT the wherewithall to consider
ANY THING other than their own sensitivities and needs. JUST LOOK
HOWE they THRIVE on their dog's neurotic behavior problems. You'll
NOTICE you DON'T SEE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Trainng
Method Manual Students postin for week after week with the myriad of
BAD BEHAVIORS that MOST EVERY WON of HOWER DOG LOVER do.
You'll SEE in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives on Goodle that ALL
of these abusive mental cases GOT THE SAME "BAD BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
and CHRONIC STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE HEELTH DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) ; ~ ) >
> > Fine, I guess.
What GUESS??? The Amazing Puppy Wizard was C-HOWENTIN on it
to VERIFY ALL HIS INFORMATION to bring to the media and J.Q. Pubic
to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the training and behavior industry.
> > But it makes total sense to me.
Of curse. It MAKES SENSE to ANY INTELLIGENT DECENT
HUMAN BEING. Bye the bye, Lee Charles Kelly is a professional
trainer and friend of The Amazing Puppy Wizard. You'll LOVE his
book "No Bad Dogs Only BAD TRAINERS". Ooops! The Amazing
Puppy Wizard FORGOT with whom he was addressin. You'll HATE
his book, it WON'T MAKE SENSE to you <{) ; ~ ) >
> > And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
All these simpletons know abHOWET Pavlov is he made dogs DROOL.
What they DON'T know abHOWET Pavlov is he likeWIZE made their
EYES pinpoint witHOWET shinin a light on them. THAT IS CONDITIONAL
REFLEX.
> > > > though not many people know this.
We got TWO typs of dog abusers. We got the FEAR FORCE
and INTIMDIATION trainers, and we got the BRIBE IGNORE
and AVOID and hurt and intimidation trainers. That's the tools
of their trade.
They DO NOT understand CONDITIONING or behavior modification
or even motivation, for that matter. They THINK motivation is lurin a
dog with a piece of cheese. They'd NEVER PRAISE a dog IN ADVANCE
for a COMMAND, they ONLY UNDERSTAND PUNISHMENT when the
dog FAILS to DO a "command" for lack of PRAISE IN ADVANCE <{) : ~ ( >
> > "Postitive emotions arising in connection
> > with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> > of its pragmatic significance at a given
> > moment, serve as the reinforcement."
> > IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
> > what reinforces any behavior.
HOWER dog lovers CANNOT EVEN UNDERTAND THAT!
They SEE IT but they STILL THINK it meand the dog DOES
the behavior for the EMOTIONALY REWARD of gettin the
cheese. The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ they SEE their
own qualities in their dogs and cater to their own EMOTIONAL
NEEDS for food affection attention and CON-TROLL just like
HOWE their own parents TRAINED THEM by offering and
withholding praise attention UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST
and RESPECT <{) ; ~ ) >
> > Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
> > atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
> > instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
> > back into the hole. This was 7 years before
> > he died. Up until the very last time he walked
> > through that section of the park (an hour before
> > he went) he checked the base of that tree.
We could have EXXXTINGUISHED THAT behavor in
just a couple of instances of PRAISE IN ADVANCE
and FAILING THAT, a BRIEF, ALTERNATELY VARIABLE
NON PHYSICAL DISTRACTION INSTANTLY followed by
PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE <{) ; ~ ) >
> > He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
> > saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
> > that?
Of curse. There's sories of dogs bein frightened by the
garbage man JUST WON TIME and being aggressive
to ALL men in uniforms forever. HOWE COME then, do
HOWER EXXXPERT DOG TRAINERS FAIL to be able
to TRAIN THEIR OWN DOGS to do or NOT do a behavor
despite their shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collars?
Well PERHAPS the ANSWER is in Pavloves comments:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.
> > Especially those of us with dogs whose
> > prey drives are pretty intense?
Lee Charles Kelley relies on DRIVE training. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard relies on PRAISE trainng. The DIFFERENCE
is, Lee's dogs WORK for their INSTINCTIVE DRIVES (greed)
Vs The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs WORKIN for PURE
PLEASURE of mutual unconditional love trust and respect.
Of curse the EXXXPERTS cannot suss THAT at all, as
they've NEVER LEARNED unconditional love trust and
respect, they ONLY KNOW GREED FEAR and EGO
satisfaction as TAUGHT by their parents.
> > And there are lots of examples that may not
> > even require the prey drive to be active,
> > just a strong desire to do something: a dog
> > who wants to escape from the back yard will
> > learn how to do it once and never forget it,
> > a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
> > bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
> > or re-learn the behavior.
So HOWE COME do HOWER EXXXPERTS rely on
constant repetition aka ROTE training when we KNOW
the dog CAN LEARN NEARLY INSTANTLY???
Perhaps again, Pavlov's comments serve us:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior.
> > If something is important to a dog, he'll
> > learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
> > learns it. The trick to getting him to
> > "unlearn" it, is to give him a more
> > emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
INDEED. Alternatively, we can EXXXTINGUSH
ANY BEHAVIOR NEARLY INSTANTLY using
effective scientific conditioning. THAT'S HOWE
COME HOWER EXXXPERTS always COMPLAIN
that "The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ I DIDN'T
DO IT RIGHT" when THE PROOF SEZ they DIDN'T
FOLLOW the INSTRUTIONS otherWIZE the dog
would be CONDITIONED NEARLY INSTANTLY:
From: "lindalee" <llindaleedan...@msn.com>
Date: 21 Jan 2006 18:34:10 -0800
Subject: Chasing squirrels
I have not posted to the group for awhile but want to share my success
of teaching my dog Sunshine, who has a very high prey drive, to not go
after squirrels when on a walk. It took a few trials but he can now
walk
right past squirrels running up a tree or in a yard.
Using Jerry Howe's approach I used a sound to get his attention when
he saw a squirrel and then praised him and kept on walking past the
squirrel. Where we live in Michigan we lots of squirrels and he was
always wanting to chase them up a tree. Jerry's approach of sound
and praise really works. I think the people who discount his methods
have never tried the method because it works everytine. Sometimes it
takes a little practice to get the sound from different directions but
I was able to change Sunshine's behavior in just a week after we moved
back to Michigan.
Sunshine is a very sensitive dog so any physical corrections just won't
work but using sound and praise he is a really great dog who opens
doors, picks up things I drop, and and helps me a lot. If you have a
behavior problem with your dog get a copy of Jerrry's manual and
solve your problem!
> > With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
> > behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
> > (He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
> > connections, so that was pretty easy.)
> >
> > I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
> > Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
> > then praising the dog, without any physical
> > contact, for 15 seconds.
> >
> > My initial reaction to his technique was that
> > it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
> >
> > I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
> >
> > But in every case except one, when I've followed
> > the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
> > physiological change take place in the dog -
> > - yawning or stretching have been the usual
> > indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
> > the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
SEZ "100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL For ALL Dogs And ALL Handlers And
ALL Behaviors. A DOG IS A DOG" And "For FREE To
Boot" is just to twist the knife, if ya REALLY wanna
know the truth <{) ; ~ ) >
> > I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
> > separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
> > together and fight constantly. I was pretty
> > amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
> > her aggression and start to yawn!
IN MOMENTS.
> > It's too early for me to be convinced that it
> > will work every single time with every single
> > dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
> > on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
> > effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
> > as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
> > from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
> > emotional tension. If you give the dog a
> > replacement behavior that successfully reduces
> > emotional tension, the first behavior will no
> > longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
INDEEDY. Behaviors that are REPRESED only CHANGE
to OTHER, OFTEN WORSE, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED
behaviors as anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS.
> > From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet...@aol.com> -
> > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400
> >
> > Subject: Re: Has anyone read . .
> >
> > Leah:
> >> I'm curious now. Are there any of our more
> >> experienced and educated trainers (Lynn,
> >> Diane, Janet, Belinda, et al)
BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
They're FRAUDS LIARS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES!!!
> >> who have heard of this as a viable method?
The ONLY place you'll see this is in your own FREE
COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wiz'ard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual:
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> > Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this
> > case means being indocrinated into a total
> > misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually
> > operates.
PRECISELY.
> > As I said in my post, everything the experts say
> > about dogs is wrong. If the common folklore was
> > true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all,
> > ever. And it not only works, it works better
> > than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things.
AS PROVEN RIGHT HERE through CASE HISTORY DATA.
> > It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look
> > to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to
> > your dogs.
But they HURT INTIMIDATE and BRIBE their dogs, instead.
"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom
and right action as separate,
not the wise.
If any man knows one,
he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one
knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures
act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused by
the objects of sense arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path." Bhagavad Gita,
adapted by Krishna with permission from His
FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
Jer 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before
you The Way Of Life, And The Way Of Death.
2Ki 19:6 And Isaiah said unto them, Thus
shall ye say to your master, Thus saith
the LORD, Be not afraid of the words which
thou hast heard, with which the servants of
the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not so send peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father, and the daughter against her mother
and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way
and the truth and the life. No one comes to
the Father except through me.
The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >
White Monkey
"Ken" <Flak...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1138063959....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> We have a 5-6 year old rescued EES who just lives to chase squirrels.
> In the 2.5 years we've had her, she hasn't caught one yet, but that
> doesn't stop her..and we don't mind seeing her doing donuts around tree
> trunks, doing her best at climbing until she's tired of the chase.
>
> What's the harm? (I'm sure some squirrel lover will now say: "Oh!
> Those poor little dears"
I hope not, given that you say she's never caught one. Many years ago we
were visiting my husband's family in Buffalo, and his cousin's dog--I recall
it being a Golden--was lounging around at the base of a tree outside the
window. We all watched a squirrel come down the side of the tree and wave
its tail and chitter at the dog until the dog noticed it. Then the squirrel
retreated to JUST out of the dog's reach and teased the dog unmercifully for
more than half an hour, jumping down in front of him and then racing back up
the tree, going around and around and around the trunk a few centimeters
beyond the farthest point the dog could reach, etc. Danny and I could hardly
breathe for laughing, but his cousin Just Didn't Get It--she said, "Darn it,
there's that dumb squirrel again! Doesn't it know there's a dog right there?
Doesn't it know that dog wants to catch it? Doesn't it know it's in danger?
What a dumb squirrel!"
--Katrina
sighthounds & siberians
A squirrel was observed doing that sort of thing not long ago in
Mentor, Ohio, to a greyhound recently retired from the racetrack. The
next time the squirrel was observed, it was being tossed into the air
by said greyhound. Between tosses, the greyhound was heard to mutter,
"who's laughing now?"
Mustang Sally
White Monkey
Oh, that happens all the time, I'm sure. But this squirrel had been teasing
that overweight and lazy dog for years, apparently. It was clear from the
moment the squirrel came into sight that this was a familiar and beloved
game it liked to play.
--Katrina
sighthounds & siberians
Doesn't sound like the squirrel was in much danger.
Mustang Sally
Ken
White Monkey
Exactly.
--Katrina
Ken
earned two gopher merit badges (dug one of them out of it's burrow) and
two rats badges..
My other half sees Sasha with something furry, moving and squawking in
it's mouth and tells me: "Oh no..She's gonna kill it!"
"Lorna It's a RAT! So what?"
Rocky
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> "Darn it,
> there's that dumb squirrel again! Doesn't it know there's a
> dog right there? Doesn't it know that dog wants to catch
> it? Doesn't it know it's in danger? What a dumb squirrel!"
Hah, sometimes squirrels really are dumb. One of these thought
that he'd put himself in the dog-taunting scenario you
described, but it didn't take him long to realise he'd not left
himself an avenue of escape.
http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur002.html
http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur003.html
http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur004.html
I finally called Good Ol' Murphy in so that the Eevil Squirl
could get back to his hopefully more dog-aware life.
Suja
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message:
> http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur002.html
> http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur003.html
> http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur004.html
I love these pictures of Murphy. Such focus and determination.
> I finally called Good Ol' Murphy in
Thereby making the sqirrel think 'I Win!!!'
Suja
Rocky
>> I finally called Good Ol' Murphy in
>
> Thereby making the sqirrel think 'I Win!!!'
Squirl has probably passed on. Hopefully, though, he didn't
pass on his Matt-reinforced dog-taunting genes to that pack of
squirrels which attacked (and snacked upon) that dog in Russia.
I'd hate to be blamed for that!
Alison
There's to be a mass cull of grey squirrels in the UK as
they are considerd by conservationist to be pests and wiping
out the red squirrel. According to a BBC report they might
be using posion:((
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4635330.stm
Alison
>
Paula
wrote:
Until Murphy talks Matt into taking in an ex-racing greyhound to teach
that squirrel a lesson he won't forget.
--
Paula
Persons with names like Sierra, Sequoia, Auburn, and Rainbow
can't sing the Blues no matter how many men they shoot in Memphis.
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:51:23 -0500, "Suja" <span...@scs.gmu.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message:
>>
>>> http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur002.html
>>> http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur003.html
>>> http://www.rocky-dog.com/Murphy/Mur004.html
>>
>>I love these pictures of Murphy. Such focus and determination.
>>
>>> I finally called Good Ol' Murphy in
>>
>>Thereby making the sqirrel think 'I Win!!!'
>
>Until Murphy talks Matt into taking in an ex-racing greyhound to teach
>that squirrel a lesson he won't forget.
Actually, Tasha the Siberian has caught more squirrels (unknown
number) than the greyhounds (1). She says that's as it should be,
because they don't know what to do with them and she most certainly
does.
Mustang Sally
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
Ken wrote:
> Squirrels are too smart (and too fast) for our Springer..
The Amazing Puppy Wizard TRAINED HIS squirrels to lay off
of HIS fig tree. You could do likeWIZE if you knew HOWE. See
"Fig Dogs; Biblical Dog Training" to find HOWET <{) ; ~ ) >
> BUT she has earned two gopher merit badges (dug
> one of them out of it's burrow) and two rats badges..
You could TRAIN him not to do that EZ if you knew HOWE, Ken.
> My other half sees Sasha with something furry, moving
> and squawking in it's mouth and tells me: "Oh no..She's
> gonna kill it!"
That's CRUEL an TERRIFYING <{) :* ~ ( >
> "Lorna It's a RAT! So what?"
It's ALIVE an it got FEELINS and PROBABLY got a FAMILY to
support just like you an The Amazing Puppy Wizard, Ken <{) ; ~ ) >
PERHAPS it's THAT kinda DISRESPECT for LIFE which causes THIS:
unsurrea...@yahoo.com wrote:
> IHateToSayIt...@Inbox.Com wrote:
> > HOWEDY probe,
> >
> > probe wrote:
> > > Jerry
> >
> > You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
> >
> > > you old fart.
> >
> > Your use of distraction fails on accHOWENT of you didn't
> > INSTANTLY PRAISE the sound, probe. THE QUESTION
> > is: Re: Doin The Math 1+1+1= ?
> >
> > You got a ANSWER, probe?
> >
> > > How the hell have you been?
> >
> > These are FAMILY news groups, probe. Seems you're
> > still traumatized by that alien abduction thing, eh
> > probe? Did they probe you three ways, probe?
Sometimes gettin PROBED causes post traumatic STRESS disorder, mikey...
> These are FAMILY newsgroups?
INDEEDY, mikey.
> Then EXPLAIN TO US WHY YOU ARE SO FOUL!
You mean FHOWEL, mikey...
From: ThePetAlchem...@FastMail.FM
Date: 24 Jan 2006 15:40:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Mini Schnauzer is weird
HOWEDY black vomit aka unsurreality aka mike duforth,
BlackVomit wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2006 14:07:37 -0800, nfte...@gmail.com wrote:
> >My miniature schnauzer (almost a year old now) has been generally
> >apartment-friendly. Except for the occasional "accident", she really
> >hasn't been too damaging to the facilities.
> >Until now...
> Hello nfteblj,
unsurreality_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Try this free book - it has helped me so much:
> Courteous Canines
> http://home.adelphia.net/~nuxodom
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
> It's SO much better than The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Garbage manual.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
> We await your response!
TRY THIS, mikey:
HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka joey finnochiarrio aka jack morrison
aka DOGMAN you anonymHOWES miserable lyin dog abusing punk
thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable mental case,
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
> On 25 Jan 2006 10:53:11 -0800, marp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> []
> >Does anyone have any idea of how to reassure my dog and give her
> >confidence to enter the kitchen again - or perhaps have an idea of what
> >is going on?
>
> Yes, go about your business as if nothing has happened
The dog is havin a PAINICK attack, tommy. Perhaps your PROBLEM
is your mommy an daddy IGNORED you when you was SCARED an
needed HEELP, eh tommy?
> (which probably hasn't).
That's IRRELEVENT, tommy.
> Assuming that you probably feed her in the kitchen, keep doing just that.
The dog is AFRAID to go into the kitchen, tommy. REMEMBER?
> Maybe feed her a few treats there, too
Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL scraps of food and run to
HIDE to eat them with their backs to the wall in a heightened state
of alert.
> (anything she really, really likes).
Offering fearful dogs food bribes REINFORCES and INCREASES phobias,
tommy.
> Her hunger should eventually get her over any "fears" she might have,
Forcing the dog to ENJOY her dinner in a FEARFUL ENVIRONMENT will
cause her to suffer indigestion and may cause ULCERS and irritable
BHOWEL
syndrome, tommy.
> provided you do nothing to reinforce them.
You mean like offering her REWARDS for BEIN AFRAID, tommy?
> Good luck!
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, tommy. "Luck is for SUCKERS,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~ ) >
> PS: If she acts normally otherwise, I would just let time take its course.
INDEED. OtherWIZE you'd jerk and choke and shock her.
> --
>
> Handsome Jack Morrison
> *gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
Here, permit The Amazing Puppy Wizard to give you a little
HEELP with that tricky little pin, tommy? There... NHOWE
HOWELD THIS:
Here's lyingdogDUMMY BEATIN a dog to
HOWEsbreak IT to save ITS life:
But FIRST, a little good KOEHLER trainin tommy RECOMMENDS:
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking
Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be
made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long
duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute
intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment.
Make certain he is equipped with a collar
and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside.
Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding
and close observation, you will not have to do
much punishing.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking
apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the
house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house
and then backslides, the method of correction
differs somewhat.
In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation.
The fact that he once was reliable in the house is
proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it
leaves you no other course than to punish him
sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of
his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences.
If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and
punish him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
> if you're not. -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently
> Things are about to get very interesting...
INDEEDY:
HOWEDY marpate1,
marp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Hi all,
WELCOME To The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums.
I'm Jerry Howe, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
Here's your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
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> I'm really confused by all of this.
Well then you're in EXXXCELLENT company.
> When I arrived home last night, my 1 year old Retriever was sat shaking
> in the conservatory and would not enter the kitchen/dining room (ajoining)
> at all. She was happy to go outside, but is really scared of the kitchen.
Sumpthin musta happened in there.
> Having finally coaxed her through the kitchen, she is happy in
> the lounge and upstairs, but still will not enter the kitchen.
NO PROBLEMO. You can FIX that NEARLY INSTANTLY if you
study and follow the INSTRUCTONS in your own FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
> We thought at first that perhaps a mouse or rat was present which
> had bitten her, but we can find no evidence and the fact that our cat
> is immune to all of this seems to point to a different cause.
Perhaps an appliance malfunctioned and made noises?
> It has been suggested that perhaps someone climbed into the house
> through the dog flap and terrorised my dog, but I am not sure as she
> was confident going through the dog flap.
Goin through the flap wouldn't be a problem if she had
encHOWENTERED a trespasser inside the kitchen <{) ; ~ ) >
> Does anyone have any idea of how
BWEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
You're askin liars dog abusers cowards and active acute
chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASES for advice
THEY AIN'T GOT. All they know is HOWE to jerk choke
shock intimidate bribe crate avoid ignore and murder
innocent defenseless dumb critters <{) : - ( >
> to reassure my dog and give her confidence to enter the kitchen again -
PRAISE HER NON PHYSICALLY when she appears afraid.
RELY on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER
CONditioning aka The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness /
Submissive Urination / Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic
Urinary
Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking /
Self
Mutilation / Spraying / Defecating Syndrome Technique <{); ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This
(Destructive Separation Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method
Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really
Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional
Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
AND LIKE THIS:
"Dan Moore" <mooret...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
The next time it thundered, he did not even
react at all--you could not tell it was the same
dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day,
and same thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no
cowering, whimpering, trying to hide at all,
it was that simple.
I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
Wonderfully.
Praise.
It's that simple.
Juanita
AND LIKE THIS:
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Eric
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in...
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding
submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing
great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I
stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can
teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me
look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em,
and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their
heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T",
I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate
their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any
of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal
to someone who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out
there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A
horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any
more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun
intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
AND LIKE THIS 12 YEAR OLD DOG:
<robin4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:04:50 -0700
Subject: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
Success!
I left for about 25 minutes, and when I returned
and walked thru the front door - no dog standing
there waiting for me! No barking, no whimpering -
no anything.
In fact, no dog!
I got worried, looking all over for her. I found
her asleep (yes, asleep!!!!) on a pile of clothing
that was on the floor in my second bedroom.
I left a tape recorder running while I was gone, but,
without realizing it, I had it set to Voice Activation -
and it hadn't been activated! I don't think she made a
sound while I was gone.
I almost feel ready to give it a big test - leave her
at home while I go to a movie, which I haven't been
able to do since I got her a little over one year ago.
Both times I employed your technique over the last couple
of days, I did so at night. Just because I need to satisfy
myself that this is real, I'm going to leave during the day
for awhile. I know you'll say it won't make any difference,
but gotta do it, gotta test it, gotta assure myself that this
is real.
Robin
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.I have not had a shredded
sheet for over a week now. Robin.
AND LIKE THIS:
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.
I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.
It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
home to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
==================
"Hoku Beltz" <h...@rsphawaii.com <mailto:h...@rsphawaii.com>>
wrote in message <news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10...@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Aloha Sunny,
Just follow the training program to the
letter, no matter how insignificant some
of the step seem to be and your pupy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
I would seriously consider backing out of
the training classes as they will conflict
with the Wit's End principles.
I went the training route first, and still
had problems until I found Wits' End.
Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
You won't be disappointed if you follow the program.
Good luck,
Hoku
Teach her to come according to the INSTRUCTIONS in your
own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and ASK her
to come through the kitchen and follow the technique and
she'll get over her phobia NEARLY INSTANTLY.
LIKE THIS and THIS:
ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.
Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.
> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.
From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw
Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!
I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh
I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.
Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.
Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!
the first time I ask.
Best of Luck to you,
Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.
Cheers
Barb
AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
Florence
AND LIKE THIS:
From: "Ray" <mikeflemi...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:41:46 GMT
Subject: re: Jerry Howe
Jerry, I will say this. You catch alot of flak in
this newsgroup and I've been peeping in here for 4
months since I got my Mastiff. I don't know you or
pretend to know you but the things that I've tried
that you've suggested HAS worked.
I've had dogs in the past that I bribed with food
and even spanked with a newspaper and honestly,
that didn't work.
The pack exercise worked, and getting my dog to
come to me is no problem after I used your exercise.
All of this WITHOUT food treats.
Even the "non-physical" praise was foreign to me, but
I see why it's a good idea. I can honestly tell that
this dog is more in tune with me and what I want him
to do and how our relationship should work.
Just wanted to say Thanks, and I may need your help
on a few more issues as they arise, like the border
training.
--------------
Did you say border training? NO PROBLEMO!
IT'S DONE JUST LIKE THIS:
> or perhaps have an idea of what is going on?
Could be almost anything happened, kinda like what's
been goin on right here:
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting
a modular home here within the next few years... put more
fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play
bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....
~misty
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given you a bum
steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of losing their careers
and reputations.... Jerry.
Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping
my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
=====================
misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
our yard again.
The price was too high:-( ~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12208-3BB...@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Hi Cathy! Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person.. I post in
misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes( not
lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.
Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the neighborhood
with my neighbors 2 male dogs. An e-fence couldn't keep them home,
chains pulled up and Peach could jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.
I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped down my
throat. Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it hit home hard
that I was being abusive to my dog.
The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me want to puke.
Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry treats
some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_) a way to
teach myself and my dog.
I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break will mean
she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever come home...like
her mom.
Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started applying
Jerry's methods. One time of "bad slipper!" and she never chewed
another one up :-D
I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems needing
solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative lnks. I just
feel that my limited experience precludes me from jumping in every
thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.
If you want my phone number, e-mail me. We would have to set up a
time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only have 1 phone line.
~misty
From: "LESPERANCE/DEAKIN" <madea...@total.net>
Date: 1999/10/06
Subject: Re: Separation Anxiety
Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you. It worked!
Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the
road for my work this summer. I was gone twice for 10
long days each time. Although there were still people
home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he
became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc)
We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him
now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands
he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I
didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes
8 hours.
Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy.
I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in
his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction
in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put
their shoes away! Now the toy stays in the crate all day,
and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave.
He seems quite proud when we come home.
I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand
that, so I think my dog may be confused too!
Marcie (Winslow's mom)
> Many thanks,
You're welcome.
> Mark
But THAT AIN'T ALL, Mark:
"melisande" <melisand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rLo08.751$0H.5...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Pattng is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
==========================================
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.
Hey J,
I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.
The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.
I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.
I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.
The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.
Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.
I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.
See ya,
Paul
=====================
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes:
>In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu> tami sutherland
><suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>> were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
> pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
> sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
> her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!